At 41mins I finally realised the difference between the two. Tim keeps coming back to something which is bound, to I don’t know what, but bound non the less. Richard’s message can’t be pinned down because there’s no anchor point.
I agree, Richard definitely has had an awakening, but it doesn't seem that Tim has.. 🤔 Very difficult to see what Tim's point is. What is being pointed at is beyond words and thought, so it's a no brainer! 😉
Just some polite feedback to Tim - please let people finish their sentences when you ask a question! It's hard to follow when they are interrupted all the time. You aint Piers Morgan 😄
lol. The illusion, and ‘lived reality’ of feeling ‘real and separate’ apparently still exists for Tim. That illusion apparantly ended for Richard. Tim cannot ‘get’ that because the illusion of feeling real and separate is the ONLY reality the illusionary self can know. When or If the illusion apparently ends, No-One is left to see it, which is what Rich is trying to explain. 😊
A beautiful 'car crash' - very entertaining, what else. Having tuned in to Tim a few times now, it is in compassion (but clarity) that I see 'him' struggling and looking for intellectual solace, unfound, and he is 'treading water' in 'the sea of unknowing' (what is) 'I' see very clearly that 'Tantric Tim' is out for an 'objective bottom-line' - and sure enough he aimed to 'conclude' with 'one' (such narrative spurred by a fear of the intrinsically unknown - around which we dance n sing in fancy) I should like to remind 'Tim' that if 'U.G. Krishnamurti' was still with 'us', he would point out the 'brutal' and unwelcome fact that 'Tim' simply does NOT know what he's actually looking at right 'now' across 'the room', that is to say yonder the compulsive inference 'born' of mere memory (a misinterpretation of what is) - not even 'the coffee cup' does 'he' really know, let alone what 'Richard Sylvester' actually is. Anyhew, all for love and love for all. The pointless 'point' is that there simply and already isn't any 'one' ('pronoun') there is only what's apparently 'happenING' (or verbING) - 'dead' words fail... and still the ''blah blah'' seems to go on in the hopes of 'validating' the Lie of all lies - 'The Me', and 'a Me' that's said to be traversing a real 'timeline', somehow travelling 'from' a place 'back there' called 'the past' (i.e. whats not happening!) 'to' somewhere else 'over there' called 'the future' (i.e. whats not happening!)
In this situation, Tim, you surely showed absolutely no “Universal Benevolence” for a self proclaimed “Love Junky”. None. You came here with an agenda to tear down anything Richard said. On the other hand, Richard showed “Universal Benevolence” towards you in spite of your bullying. That is how I honestly see it.
Robust disagreement is not something to avoid my friend - it is how we arrive at truth together. We should welcome this in spirituality where is sadly lacking. I suggest you concentrate on responding to the points I made because they seem strong to me and I’m sorry if you find them unsettling
Well done to Richard for such patience 🤐😂. Tim seems to have had experiences of bliss and has not 'seen' so-called non-duality. Just guessing🤷♀ He's all about wanting to be right and push it onto others haha. He's not talking about the 'shift' I had (seemed to) anyway, which was not the same as a bliss state. I wasn't looking either, not heard of non-duality, never heard of Tony Parsons. Hilarious though 😂😂🤣😂
I’m disappointed that there wasn’t a specific discussion of the experience of the collapse of the subject-object dichotomy. It also would have been interesting to hear a debate about how choices are made because I think you both have different perspectives on that. Is there a possibility of a second round?
It is impossible to "show" or explain something that is absolutely unseeable, incomprehensible and unexplainable as long as one is under the spell of the mirage of "me".From that perspective, it sounds like gibberish, sometimes infuriating gibberish. It makes absolutely no sense at all. When it is seen, however, it´s perfectly obvious, simple, natural and yes - self-evident. Thanks for this very entertaining "debate".
Very nice conversation, especially since Tim is honest enough to admit that he feels like he is a seeker. The beauty of how the non-dualer speaker responds is that even when talking about what seems like a personal story on the surface, it only just exposes the Futility of Seeking. Starting around 8:16, he describes the The Non-Intention to Help, which sparks the first real debate in the episode. I have a feeling that I will be rewatching this multiple times...🙂
I'd love to see a discussion between Tim Freke and Jim Newman. Jim would masterfully pull the rug out from under practically every statement and assertion Tim makes.
It’s so obvious to see in this “one way debate”, Tim is trying so hard to beat Richard 😂relax Tim! Life is a wonder, you can never get it, yet it is always there😊
Seems to me that all is energy. The universe is an infinite field of energy. So....... The universe is infinite. If it wasn’t then somewhere out there all that dark space would have to become something other than space. What could replace the space? Nothing could replace it so it must go on forever - hence infinity. What’s infinite has no boundaries and cannot be measured (or it wouldn’t be infinite.) Infinity doesn’t stop where “you” start - there can’t be infinity + “me.” So all there is, is infinity expressing itself in different shapes and patterns but all of those shapes and patterns never being anything other than THE TOTALITY or THE ABSOLUTE. The experience of The Absolute is the experience of ONENESS - (That which we all desire whether we know it or not.) Here’ seems to be the key: 95% of the universe is space. So if you want to experience ONENESS you have to include in awareness what 95% of the totality is! The space three or four feet around your body is EXACTLY the same space as the space a billion lightyears away! There is no place where the space here joins the space there. When you are CONSCIOUSLY aware of the space around you the experience is of ONENESS - which is all there truly is. Seeing this and remaining consciously aware of the space around you is vital to your sense of wellbeing and your happiness. What you are is infinity appearing as a separate individual, but never being anything other than infinity. The only problem with being in this state is dealing with the constant stream of people wondering what you seem to be so happy about! so...... IF YOU WANT A HAPPY FACE, YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE SPACE!!
@@melodyfenton2760energy feels right, but us humans have a lot of blocked energy, or rather energy going into blocking energy! I have found doing energy work to be very fulfilling.
The apparent Tim and his desperate attempt to prove his point of view is exactly what is wrong with it. He seems forced into a corner and his mind is coming up with anything, including all sorts of theories to deny the naked truth of non duality. To the ego though, it is scary. There seems to be a massive fear of the abyss but then unfortunately there’s no realisation either. This is also what seems to be the underlying cause of his arrogance and rudeness.
What a fantastic display of a me versus no me. Poor Tim, he is like a politician who frantically uses all the cunningness of the mind to be ‘right’. His way of communication is violent and disrespectful. A Retreat with him must be exhausting 😂😂
Jim Newman has a much more simple message. There is no free will. The individual is an illusion. Nothing is separate. ☯ Job done done 👍 😂 No need for a book
I got a bit lost in your discussion. I go along with Richard more than with Tim, with due respect. When the penny drops, awakening is obvious isn't it! So simple. I am happy being aware of my natural state, the I am. It's always here and beyond definition. My refuge. No more searching. Peace. Bliss. 😌 Great book, by the way Richard. "Confessions of a seeker". Very interesting and recommended. 👍
The Tim character continually talks over the Richard character in this video. A video with just Tim might better serve to showcase Tim's love of the sound of his own voice. This seems to be the main point Tim got across in this video.
This sort of reminds me of the BatGap interview with Tim and Lisa Cairns. It was hilarious! Lisa couldn’t be pinned down either…and she is also fun to look at. 😊
@@richardsylvester Rick had them both on at the same time discussing their different take on things. I like Tim but it seems he is still trying to figure it all out. This was in 2013. ruclips.net/video/eRHhextGxqE/видео.htmlsi=S-swyyZFhrQ6ocGl
For Tim it's a boxing match; he's trying to get Richard to fight with him, he wants to beat the s--t out of him, Richard's not interested; Tim sees an opportunity with the Mooji quote thing, he's thinks he can beat Richard up over that; Tim is so loaded with superiority, and he's so passively aggressive..............so has to be right, in control;
I think they are each missing the point (if nonduality is indeed to subject of discussion); I think Richard knows it, and Tim is happily wandering in his fantasies.........................
1:00 I don't think Tim understands the paradoxical nature of nonduality in the realm of words. Yes, when you start talking about nonduality - you are essentially playing a categorization game... but... in this one case it is a stupid game from start to finish and honest nondual language says it - all words are lies. ..how will we talk about it?
Tim always seems to try and make things fit or make sense. That's fine for some things but when it comes to different people's perception or experience...its not that simple. To me he's too manic. I prefer patience and listening without racing to answer back. Just relax.
Pure brilliance, Richard.
At 41mins I finally realised the difference between the two. Tim keeps coming back to something which is bound, to I don’t know what, but bound non the less. Richard’s message can’t be pinned down because there’s no anchor point.
I agree, Richard definitely has had an awakening, but it doesn't seem that Tim has.. 🤔
Very difficult to see what Tim's point is.
What is being pointed at is beyond words and thought, so it's a no brainer! 😉
Just some polite feedback to Tim - please let people finish their sentences when you ask a question! It's hard to follow when they are interrupted all the time. You aint Piers Morgan 😄
Time Freke always felt like a phony to me, even when I watched him on Conscious TV years ago.
Tim is not ready to die 😁
lol. The illusion, and ‘lived reality’ of feeling ‘real and separate’ apparently still exists for Tim. That illusion apparantly ended for Richard.
Tim cannot ‘get’ that because the illusion of feeling real and separate is the ONLY reality the illusionary self can know.
When or If the illusion apparently ends, No-One is left to see it, which is what Rich is trying to explain. 😊
A beautiful 'car crash' - very entertaining, what else.
Having tuned in to Tim a few times now, it is in compassion (but clarity) that I see 'him' struggling and looking for intellectual solace, unfound, and he is 'treading water' in 'the sea of unknowing' (what is)
'I' see very clearly that 'Tantric Tim' is out for an 'objective bottom-line' - and sure enough he aimed to 'conclude' with 'one' (such narrative spurred by a fear of the intrinsically unknown - around which we dance n sing in fancy) I should like to remind 'Tim' that if 'U.G. Krishnamurti' was still with 'us', he would point out the 'brutal' and unwelcome fact that 'Tim' simply does NOT know what he's actually looking at right 'now' across 'the room', that is to say yonder the compulsive inference 'born' of mere memory (a misinterpretation of what is) - not even 'the coffee cup' does 'he' really know, let alone what 'Richard Sylvester' actually is.
Anyhew, all for love and love for all.
The pointless 'point' is that there simply and already isn't any 'one' ('pronoun') there is only what's apparently 'happenING' (or verbING) - 'dead' words fail... and still the ''blah blah'' seems to go on in the hopes of 'validating' the Lie of all lies - 'The Me', and 'a Me' that's said to be traversing a real 'timeline', somehow travelling 'from' a place 'back there' called 'the past' (i.e. whats not happening!) 'to' somewhere else 'over there' called 'the future' (i.e. whats not happening!)
In this situation, Tim, you surely showed absolutely no “Universal Benevolence” for a self proclaimed “Love Junky”. None. You came here with an agenda to tear down anything Richard said. On the other hand, Richard showed “Universal Benevolence” towards you in spite of your bullying. That is how I honestly see it.
Robust disagreement is not something to avoid my friend - it is how we arrive at truth together. We should welcome this in spirituality where is sadly lacking. I suggest you concentrate on responding to the points I made because they seem strong to me and I’m sorry if you find them unsettling
@@TimFreke1 sei offeso
I don't actually know why I'm laughing but thanks guys.
I know why I'm laughing...
Well done to Richard for such patience 🤐😂. Tim seems to have had experiences of bliss and has not 'seen' so-called non-duality. Just guessing🤷♀ He's all about wanting to be right and push it onto others haha.
He's not talking about the 'shift' I had (seemed to) anyway, which was not the same as a bliss state. I wasn't looking either, not heard of non-duality, never heard of Tony Parsons. Hilarious though 😂😂🤣😂
Loved the niggle! Felt like we were seconds from bicycle chains being wielded.
👍😄
Wonderful, priceless, I loved that, I’m confused as f …
I’m disappointed that there wasn’t a specific discussion of the experience of the collapse of the subject-object dichotomy. It also would have been interesting to hear a debate about how choices are made because I think you both have different perspectives on that. Is there a possibility of a second round?
It is impossible to "show" or explain something that is absolutely unseeable, incomprehensible and unexplainable as long as one is under the spell of the mirage of "me".From that perspective, it sounds like gibberish, sometimes infuriating gibberish. It makes absolutely no sense at all. When it is seen, however, it´s perfectly obvious, simple, natural and yes - self-evident. Thanks for this very entertaining "debate".
The contracted energy of the person is wilding in lil Timmy!
Interesting. I need to have a one to one chat with Richard at some point.
Email me if you'd like to arrange this - richardsylvester@hotmail.co.uk
Very nice conversation, especially since Tim is honest enough to admit that he feels like he is a seeker. The beauty of how the non-dualer speaker responds is that even when talking about what seems like a personal story on the surface, it only just exposes the Futility of Seeking. Starting around 8:16, he describes the The Non-Intention to Help, which sparks the first real debate in the episode. I have a feeling that I will be rewatching this multiple times...🙂
I'd love to see a discussion between Tim Freke and Jim Newman. Jim would masterfully pull the rug out from under practically every statement and assertion Tim makes.
I think Richard did a good job of it right here.
Richard is awesome 😎
A chat between Tim Freke and Karl Renz would be great also...
It’s so obvious to see in this “one way debate”, Tim is trying so hard to beat Richard 😂relax Tim! Life is a wonder, you can never get it, yet it is always there😊
This man's arrogance knows no bounds. He takes verbal diarrhea to a whole new level. How Richard restrained himself I'll never know.
Experience is a part of the illusory self. Nothing more than a story. 🤔
Seems to me that all is energy. The universe is an infinite field of energy.
So.......
The universe is infinite. If it wasn’t then somewhere out there all that dark space would have to become something other than space. What could replace the space? Nothing could replace it so it must go on forever - hence infinity.
What’s infinite has no boundaries and cannot be measured (or it wouldn’t be infinite.) Infinity doesn’t stop where “you” start - there can’t be infinity + “me.” So all there is, is infinity expressing itself in different shapes and patterns but all of those shapes and patterns never being anything other than THE TOTALITY or THE ABSOLUTE.
The experience of The Absolute is the experience of ONENESS - (That which we all desire whether we know it or not.)
Here’ seems to be the key:
95% of the universe is space. So if you want to experience ONENESS you have to include in awareness what 95% of the totality is! The space three or four feet around your body is EXACTLY the same space as the space a billion lightyears away! There is no place where the space here joins the space there. When you are CONSCIOUSLY aware of the space around you the experience is of ONENESS - which is all there truly is.
Seeing this and remaining consciously aware of the space around you is vital to your sense of wellbeing and your happiness. What you are is infinity appearing as a separate individual, but never being anything other than infinity. The only problem with being in this state is dealing with the constant stream of people wondering what you seem to be so happy about!
so......
IF YOU WANT A HAPPY FACE, YOU HAVE TO INCLUDE THE SPACE!!
I'm even struggling with the concept of energy now.
@@melodyfenton2760 follow Dan Winter. Good luck, have fun, and you’re welcome.
@@melodyfenton2760energy feels right, but us humans have a lot of blocked energy, or rather energy going into blocking energy! I have found doing energy work to be very fulfilling.
The apparent Tim and his desperate attempt to prove his point of view is exactly what is wrong with it. He seems forced into a corner and his mind is coming up with anything, including all sorts of theories to deny the naked truth of non duality. To the ego though, it is scary. There seems to be a massive fear of the abyss but then unfortunately there’s no realisation either. This is also what seems to be the underlying cause of his arrogance and rudeness.
How can there be a shift if nothing is separate? 🤔🤷♂☯
What a fantastic display of a me versus no me. Poor Tim, he is like a politician who frantically uses all the cunningness of the mind to be ‘right’. His way of communication is violent and disrespectful. A Retreat with him must be exhausting 😂😂
Jim Newman has a much more simple message.
There is no free will.
The individual is an illusion.
Nothing is separate.
☯ Job done done 👍 😂 No need for a book
Just look at how nervous and self centered Freke is, then look at Sylvester. Body language is clear enough, even to a “me!”
I got a bit lost in your discussion.
I go along with Richard more than with Tim, with due respect.
When the penny drops, awakening is obvious isn't it! So simple.
I am happy being aware of my natural state, the I am. It's always here and beyond definition. My refuge. No more searching. Peace. Bliss. 😌
Great book, by the way Richard. "Confessions of a seeker". Very interesting and recommended. 👍
The Tim character continually talks over the Richard character in this video. A video with just Tim might better serve to showcase Tim's love of the sound of his own voice. This seems to be the main point Tim got across in this video.
Why is their version of non duality so different to radical non duality? 🤔🤷♂☯
Perpetually this 🎉😊
This sort of reminds me of the BatGap interview with Tim and Lisa Cairns. It was hilarious! Lisa couldn’t be pinned down either…and she is also fun to look at. 😊
I think you mean Rick Archer with Lisa, not Tim. Interesting interview🙂
@@richardsylvester Rick had them both on at the same time discussing their different take on things. I like Tim but it seems he is still trying to figure it all out. This was in 2013. ruclips.net/video/eRHhextGxqE/видео.htmlsi=S-swyyZFhrQ6ocGl
Thanks for the correction🙂
For Tim it's a boxing match; he's trying to get Richard to fight with him, he wants to beat the s--t out of him, Richard's not interested; Tim sees an opportunity with the Mooji quote thing, he's thinks he can beat Richard up over that; Tim is so loaded with superiority, and he's so passively aggressive..............so has to be right, in control;
I think they are each missing the point (if nonduality is indeed to subject of discussion); I think Richard knows it, and Tim is happily wandering in his fantasies.........................
It would be so funny if Tim's self drops away one day (I know this is inaccurate), and suddenly starts speaking like Richard.
1:00 I don't think Tim understands the paradoxical nature of nonduality in the realm of words. Yes, when you start talking about nonduality - you are essentially playing a categorization game... but... in this one case it is a stupid game from start to finish and honest nondual language says it - all words are lies. ..how will we talk about it?
Tim always seems to try and make things fit or make sense. That's fine for some things but when it comes to different people's perception or experience...its not that simple. To me he's too manic. I prefer patience and listening without racing to answer back. Just relax.
Tim.. ‘ Non-dual‘ ’experience‘ is an oxymoron ! 😁.... Get out of your philosopher, best selling author,professor, intellectual robes!