I was very pleased that you did this episode! I enjoyed listening to a guest with real brains with experience in the industry. Engineers are the ones who build our world.
@@MrJoegotbored I've been watching her from the beginning. But thanks for the thought. I like to hear from people with brains and experience. I was encouraging fully charged to do it more often as they sometimes have people that do not have either. Sam Evans is one they should stay away from, to name one!
Engineers built our world. Scientists designed it. Politicians like to rearrange the deck chairs - as all they really do is shift taxes from one place to another - and then claim credit for absolutely everything.
Actually the armies of for profit capitalism bound engineers, many of them venture capitalists themselves out for a nice healthy subsidy for their greenwashing, are the ones who are likely going to kill us all in the end, as they like most people, accept the physics of climate change for sure but not that capitalism is both driving it and that climate change and ecological collapse are the twin symptoms of perpetual growth capitalism that will never be solved and ecologically only be worsened, by attempting to dig up ever increasing amounts of resources to augment a perpetually growing global socioeconomic system with cleaner technologies, that blew past the climatological red line by 1998 and ecological red line by 1990. The laws of thermodynamics are very clear on why in a closed system, such as earth, it is a monumentally stupid and catastrophic idea to create machines to clean up the mess you make with the machine you use to create them unless you've managed to break the laws of physics by creating 100% efficiency... not gonna happen.
Before watching There's going to be a literal "power shift" when the let's call them "previously not first world" countries run with the new solutions leaving many of the "previously first world" countries (often Petrodollar based) with outdated technology and declining income. Could get "messy" (ref Russia) but the change IS inevitable.
In the interim however, it does mean that the world's coal use is going up That will go down too eventually too. Only around 40% of our steel is made from recycled steel which is a fair amount, but we'll need a hell of a lot more steel because that's what we need for renewables Currently, steel is made from coking coal. The alternative is hydrogen but that's not yet scalable, and realistically that hydrogen will likely be made from gas rather than renewables. Making hydrogen from renewable electrics is just making electricity with extra steps. But hey, at least polluting hydrogen is still better than coking coal so there's a. silver lining
@@jamesgrover2005 That's the main reason why India and China are leading here. There's a reason why smog no longer exists in the UK. Once you start seeing the pollution, then politicians act a hell of a lot faster Also, I think what isn't mentioned here, is that you end up building a sort of centralised yet decentralised grid. I didn't quite realise that until I got my own solar panels and I realised that because it has to communicate to the grid, you're always sending a bit of power to the grid Ultimately, that means that the amount of renewables being used goes up drastically if more and more people are exporting energy back into the grid
I met Dr. Barnes through the video you posted on the main channel. She is a phenomenal professional and a great communicator. She really manages to convey the complexity and yet the feasibility of the energy transition in a very clear way. So glad you’ll be collaborating with her. Great interview btw
This was utterly fantastic! Very surprised to hear that Rosie considers herself to be a pessimist which you'd never surmise from her videos, always rather positive while being realistic. Wonderful job Robert and Rosie!
Amber Electric already let customers buy and sell at wholesale prices. In SA prices are often negative on sunny days. I charge two EVs for around 3c per kWh on average. You do need automated systems to shutdown big loads during price spikes.
Rob Haitch, my sister bought a home built in 1986 that did have a panel that shuts off her electric dryer and water heater during times of high power demand. This was in Phoenix Arizona. They do have them! Just shutting off those two loads can save a lot of power, then run them at night. I have my water heater set to run 9 pm to 7 am. I have plenty of hot water for the rest of the day. I have a special time of day rate plan, where on weekdays between 5 pm and 9 pm is $0.32 per KW, while weekends and after 9 pm is only $0.08 per KW, and 7 am to 5 pm on weekdays is $0.13 per KW. So I make a few changes, and now 92% of my power use is off peak, while only 8% is between 5 and 9 on weekdays.
I live dead close to farm land that's "protected green land" I'd absolutely love to see a wind farm "on my doorstep" effectively. I'm sure even the NIMBYs would get involved once they realise that having a wind farm close to you, basically halves your energy costs
Rosie for energy minister. Delighted she is joining your channel I've so enjoyed her own channel although being 70 years old I can't always keep up with her especially the maths .
The “Early 1990 offshore windfarm in Denmark” Rosie mentions, is Vindeby: Eleven 450kW Bonus turbines. The farm came online october 12 1991 and was decomissioned 25 years later.
@@chairmakerPete Remember this was the first off its kind, it was worn out. Another offshore park Middelgrunden has now been running 28 years. We are running a pilot project to retrofit with a new nacelle and wings. Reusing the tower, transformers and cables. Thus extending its usable life another 20 years.
@Jens Winther OK - so 45/50 years is now a reasonable number for lifespan, given a 25 year major revamp. Do these things require much servicing before the 25 years, or once installed, do they just crank out power "for free"?
@@chairmakerPete They need servicing. Thats why offshore is more expensive to run and install. You can’t just drive a van with a service tech to the turbine and fix the job. Offeshore needs boats and helicopters. But offshore turbines genereate more power due to the greater wind resources.
@@jenswinther8601 presumably it's a simple calculation that increased servicing costs are more than covered by the additional power output that can be sold. I have concerns about energy density of wind power, but this has been useful information. Thank you.
Home robotic vacuum cleaners can teach the selfparking EV to connect to the grid. All vehicles are parked 23hrs a day. All vehicles can program minimum charge available at a particular time. Trading electricity with the grid for money and profit. Grid stability can be part of the feature.
What about the Victorian Government cancelling the registrations of EVs and not even telling the owners so they get a 1000 dollar fine? Corrupt politicians in with the fossil fuel industry or what? And I thought the way EV drivers are treated in the UK was bad enough without the incentives the EU countries get!!!!
I think people will have to start thinking what industries become viable once renewable generation is greater than current/projected demand. I think particularly Australia is on their way there, clearly not immdediately but in the next 10 years. Their potential is huge.
They need to get Ford and others to start building batteries and electric cars in Australia! Australia needs the tax incentives that we have in America, so that Ford will invest in a battery plant in Australia. Otherwise Ford will say "We can import batteries to Australia once we have enough made in America to produce all the cars we need in America. And that will take until about 2035. I would love to stop importing oil to America, and especially to places like a small village on the coast of Alaska, that must barge in millions of gallons of oil to provide heating and electricity to that small village each winter. They have started to install a couple of small wind turbines, about 1 MW each, or less, to provide electrical power to the village. They sometimes will fly in a jet, to drain the excess fuel into the storage tanks to get them through until the spring thaw, when a million gallon barge of fuel can fill the tanks again. For Japan, Singapore, and many other areas, they need to stop importing oil so they can stop exporting so much money they exchange for that oil. I think it would be wonderful to replace some of Japan oil fired power plants with geothermal. They might not need to drill down 1,000 feet to reach some 1,000F heat in the rocks! Install a 8" diameter steel pipe, with a 1" diameter injection water line going down the center, to supply water, that can turn to steam, and then run the power plant on the surface. The total cost of ownership is much less with a EV than a gas car. I like to compare it to the coal fired locomotives to the diesel electric locomotives they started using in the 30's in America. By 1948, they started to shift to diesel locomotives, and by 1950, every rail line went to diesel. It still took them 10 years to fully convert, and by 1960, it was rare to see a coal locomotive, and by 1965, there where only a handful still running a steam locomotives, mostly for excursion lines, and not for profit main lines. Australia will really miss the boat if they do not have incentives to the auto companies to build the battery in Australia and to build the electric cars there, even for export to other countries.
@@Kangenpower7 Australia doesn't have the population numbers (bearing in mind there are multiple EV manufacturers i.e competition & The Chinese are aready supplying Oz) so it's not worth Ford's while to build plants in Oz. There's a reason just about every car manufacturer pulled out of Oz in the last 10-15 years.
Virtual power plant will reduce the solar storage capacity needed and the EV battery used as storage will allow grid independence for a couple of days. :)
The EV battery is limited to when the EV is at the home for two reasons. (Assuming the EV is used for its primary purpose and the home has Solar) . 1) The EV will often if not always be away from the home during the peak solar generation period, which means the solar will at least in part be "offered" to the grid utility. When the practice becomes widespread it's highly likely the "home solar" will simply be used to charge a *utility battery* (!) and there's a reasonable chance of oversupply from homes meaning that utility will not want the energy (if their battery network is full) . 2) Unless you can guarantee power cuts will only occur at certain times, essentially when the owner is at home, the vehicle provides zero cover. Imagine you're about to leave for work and there's a power cut? What are your choices? Stay home and explain to your boss you won't be in for the third time that month? Leave and use public transport (in which case, why do you own the car?) Leave in the car and hope the power returns? You mention "grid independence for a couple of days".... *Only if the car is there* (see above) . Solar with a home battery solves the problem and pays for the system. You remove the home from the grid, and sell excess when you want to.
Thanks for a very interesting and educational conversation, Rosie and Robert. Your high standards are appreciated. We need to see more like this one. 🙂
Thank you Rosie I didn't realise your channel was started so recently. I always enjoy watching your videos. It always adds so much more value when somebody actually knows what they're talking about and understand the mechanics behind it.
I used to live in Germany near Hannover and driving along some of the autobahns you could see a history of wind turbine development. Early examples had towers more akin to the ones holding the cables for the national grid rather than solid structures and were much shorter. At my house near Celle I could see over 20 turbines and that wasn't unusual. Driving along the 7 down towards Munich the amount of solar panels covering farm buildings was also staggering.
Randomjasmic, I am happy that Germany is making plenty of renewable power and can tell Russia to Kiss Off! In America we are also replacing our 25 year old wind farms that have 750 KW wind turbines installed in the 90's with 2.5 MW to 3 MW wind turbines popular now! Now there is a concrete tower being installed in Europe that has 4 meter tall concrete rings, stacked up to about 60 meters tall, then a steel section put on top of that. Makes the cost much lower, and they are constructed fairly quickly!
Fascinating to listen too. Info on drawbacks might have made it more rounded. Blade erosion, replacement intervals and recycling. Efforts to minimise harm to birds, bats, insect migration routes Robert and subsidies
In Australia we have the smart energy metering and these have the ability to communicate with devices in the home if the homeowner opt into the agreement. We could send commands to adjust the Air conditioners temperature setting because here we have issues with Heat and not cold, this could make enough difference to ease the grid load.
BIOMASS - please please do a show/podcast on the green wash that is biomass burning. Please dispel the myth that this is green and that somehow burning this carbon is better than letting it rot in the ground. Or that assuming in 25 years that the tress you have cut down will be replaced by new happy trees (fires, drought, floods, erosion all ignored). Also highlight how we are cutting down forests to supply this ridiculous demand. Also point out how much more energy this takes and how much more polluting it is than the coal that it is being replaced by. This has all the hallmarks of a great Robert rant that I would enjoy so much.
Rosie is a very smart lady. I agree with her policies. I am a next energy exporter. A 5kw grid connected system and 10kw Off grid system and 20kw battery that runs my house and electric vehicle.
Live in canberra myself and seeing this renewable cheapening is great. Everyone else is dealing with prices going up and here we are with slowly lowering prices.
Wow, Rosie teaches so well! She needs just a few words to clarify a big picture concept. Others would fumble around. 41:15: Yes, coal fired power plants break and are off-line in a few seconds. Otherwise, they take hours to power down in orderly manner. 43:05: Absolutely, any time there is a blackout or grid failure the politicians will blame renewables. That is as predictable as gravity.
@@alanhat5252 you can transmit electricity but at huge and uneconomic costs. Infact if 20million buildings can pull electricity off the roof the insane bigger grid costs disappear. The existing national grid will be UNLOADED by 50% and perfect for load balancing. It would be like having a spare national grid capacity for free. The money, profits will be in the grid, the grid owners. National governments do not want to be dragged into big grid construction projects. It is politically dangerous, governments can loose elections.
Denmark has the most renewable energy and also the highest household cost of electricity. In fact most locations that have a high amount of renewable energy have the highest prices for electricity. Most of this is because you need to keep some source of backup when the sun doesn't shin and the wind doesn't blow.
Exactly right, there needs to be back up, solar panels are useless in the winter in the uk or Northern Europe and wind is intermittent, no one is addressing the back up issue renewables are largely an expensive scam, I can see a future where we will be left with old wind turbines that will be abandoned because they are uneconomical to replace and keep maintained.
Rosie's, channel is amazingly informative and inspiring.... But her real world job is far more important..... Since one real wind turbine is more important than a million posts, about it... In my humble opinion... She is a true hero.... But in both cases keep up the good work, Rosie........ Plus the first comment with anything relevant to say lol...
Rosie is the one in the real world, she's an actual engineer climbing towers with spanners, designing blades & whatever, Robert is an actor who is interested.
Mentioning climate change as her sole motivation in the first 5 minutes just takes me right out. There are 10 really good reasons to get into renewables before climate change even needs to be mentioned.
20million vehicles in Australia and all parked 23hrs a day with 100kwh batteries means that you can have upto 2,000gWh of DISPATCHABLE electricity daily. Avg daily drives are 7kwh only from 100kwh capacity.
@@AnonYmous-rw6un do you mean home units and flats ? Global calculations help you understand the dimensions of a problem and the Global solutions. Now the details. Rooftop solar PV over 5 hours is 1kWh, in Australia. A house Rooftop is 100m2 to 200m2 My home would need only 16m2 of Rooftop solar PV. And I could supply 6 houses with 100m2 covered in Rooftop solar PV. So a 200m2 Rooftop solar power system could supply 12 home daily needs as 'feed in ' power. Australia has 20million buildings, 10million are homes and units. If you keep paying your power bills the owners of the grid and buildings could make a good income, 7 days a week. 200m2, at $0.30 kwh = $60 ×7 = $420 wk
@@johnharcombe9412 Tesla (Elon musk) says "the electronics in the cars will have the *capability* in a few years" He (like me) doesn't think it's that useful. . If a car isn't at the home, it can't receive the energy from the solar. Only a static battery (individual or communal) can do that reliably.
The amount of material required to build a sufficiently strong engineering structure increaces non-proportionately with the size not only because the volume increaces at a greater rate than the linear dimension but because a larger structure even of an identical geometry to a smaller one requires more strength to resist forces that deform it. Because of this there are ultimate practical limits upon size. Consider the case of the space elevator cable which even if scaled up in all dimensions would be incapable of resisting the tensile forces resulting from it's weight. The only way to make such structures bigger is to use stronger materials. Windmills a mile high? But made from Graphene rather than Carbon Fiber!
If everyone set their air conditioner to start at random times like 3:07.13pm rather than 3:pm like 90% of people do it would significantly reduce the 3pm daily peak.
Don't you set your Aircon to kick in based on temperature rather than time? Cos that would absolutely smash sudden peaks flat. (I'm in the UK. Air con is something you only really see in offices still, although why on earth we're pushing a2w heat pumps not a2a is frankly beyond me but the point is I'm not familiar with how air con works like someone in a hot country would be
@@jezlawrence720I don't know about Aircon but my thermostat is time based with a target temperature, i.e. 3pm 20c 10pm 14c so presumably the same is true for Aircon
@@sie4431 I see what you mean. Last couple of years I've switched my heating to lower peak temps and setbacks a few degrees lower rather that simple on/off. Dropped my gas bill by about 10-15% over the course of the winter. I understand heat pumps (which is what Aircon is) do even better when used to maintain rather than heat up or cool down. So I assumed in hot countries the Aircon basically was on the whole time, keeping the temp a livable rather than allowing it to get hot and then have to be cooled. Assumptions may be totally wrong though which is why I asked
@@jezlawrence720 I do, but with the advent of apps to do everything, people just set the easiest time 3 or 4 pm as that is the hottest time of the day and most people get home from a few hours later.
@@fredkroh6576 ah ok I understand yes, if you're literally not there you are at least going to use higher setbacks, or off completely, then you have to allow cooling time. I'm with you. Maybe if folk started them a bit earlier but less aggressively, and just knocked it up after they get home? It's not like folk are all arriving home at the same minute. Mind you it's fundamentally the same challenge as what you're proposing: getting a ton of people to change their behaviour
This topic interests me immensely, but I'm needing clarification on the term renewable, as it is used for wind and solar. Three people I asked recently gave either an incomplete or confusing answer. Thank you in advance for any replies.
One aspect missing from the narrative in this episode is the fact that the resources needed to mine, refine and manufacture every wind turbine remain heavily dependent on fossil fuels. The steel needed for the mineral mining machinery, the energy used in mineral refining and final production of the resources needed for renewable energy generation and storage all depend on fossil fuels. We have a long way to go before all renewable energy production and storage is fully decoupled from fossil fuels. I look forward to the transition however, we must remain aware of the fact that every solar panel, every wind turbine and every EV requires a significant amount of fossil fuels to get from raw material to finished product.
So she basically has said she has five or six years experience in the real world and she wants everybody to listen to her because she's so smart. I wouldn't hire somebody with that limited amount of experience let alone listen to them.
Does anyone remember the electric power grid upgrade and the rise in power bills ?? The grid is incredibly expensive and new grid almost prohibitively expensive. Bigger power plants need bigger new grid. Rooftop PV needs no new grid. Transmission costs are avoided.
Unfortunately rooftop PV means just as big a grid, since the grid is built for peak demand, which occurs outside of solar generating times. Unless there is some sort of local storage.
@@CharlesGregory yep. As every one agrees EV, with big batteries and selfparking and plugging into the grid will give the grid massive storage and stability. Fossil fuels can go away.
We will be using more kWhs of electricity and thereby having more units to divide the cost over. Also big numbers big - but remember that numbers mentioned often are over e.g. 10 years and then the per year per capita cost is not that bad.
@@jensageholm8774 the alternative is dirt cheap and a proper use of resources. Electricity is the most expensive energy when compared with fossil fuels. It is obvious when you do the maths. Opinions can feel warm but so do fairy stories. Big money wants big central power. Big money will pay for the bs.
@@stephenbrickwood1602 Just so we are on the same page - is the alternative you are talking about rooftop PV? - what if you have no roof for the PV? In my neck of the woods (Denmark) it will be a very sad existence in winter if we have to rely on rooftop PV - on the other hand we are building a lot of offshore wind in the North Sea that need some grid to power my home. Our grid investments towards 2040 are projected to be less than $10.000 per household but that is without taking into considerations the other "new" electricity consumers (like Power2X) that will also have to pay something for their grid connections. A strong grid is one building block to a thriving society - but we are also heavily regulating the grid operators and it is for a large part owned by the state and the consumers.
Yeah, great job with this one and so glad it has such an optimistic outlook. Dr Barnes is such a great communicator.👍 I'm in the UK but really looking forward to Fully Charged Oz. Hope you manage to film some of these meetings, that would be fun...my wife said to me the other day: " I wonder who's tallest... Elliot, Jack or Robert...?" ! We the public have a right to know these things😂🤣😂🤣😂 Joking aside it must be hard to film the shows while taking part in talks and discussions and having meet and greets on the ground but I really hope you have a dedicated filmographer to capture it all for us. I for one need some Aussie sunshine in my life right now as we have snow forecast in the next few hours!
@@Kangenpower7 Is that Russia's fault, or that of our government allowing our nationalised energy companies to be privatised & then being bought out or replaced by ALL foreign energy companies so profits go abroad? And to allow the nuclear debacle to continue with the multi £billion joke that is Hinckley C? And to not mandate or invest in enough Renewable replacements for fossil fuel energy? Yes, those B4st4rd Russians, eh? 😆😅😂
At min 40 Rosie dreams about a system, where the energy customers actually make money if they act according to the availability of power (like: use the washing machine when there is plenty of wind). Sounds nice. And true thing, you can steer consumption this way. Easily done too: the price for energy wont be constant anymore but will change from hour to hour. You ll need a complicated meter in every household and we people have to really be careful when to switch the computer on. Will you have an app on your phone that has an alarm set if the price is too high? Cool, huh? You wont "safe" money this way - you can prevent to pay a lot! Everything will be more complicated. But hey, its for the environment. And while the poor will try to carefully adjust their energy consumption ("Sorry, baby, its too expensive to turn on the AC now..." Will the rich politicians that sold us this "way to safe money" carelessly consume energy because they have enough money.
I know this was about wind and solar mostly but Australia needs to capture all the rainfall, store it and build hydro to provide Baseload and storage to balance out solar/wind. We also need wave and tidal power.
Rosie, you remind me of a much younger, much smarter, female version of myself! I did my mech eng thesis on ‘windpower for residential use’ in 1981. I’ve been very intersted in energy (and clean air) since about 1970. I sense some serious frustration on your part regarding the fact that people don’t seem to give a shit about ‘ cleaning things up’, either because they’re ignorant, stupid or selfish! I would love to see you incorporate some Robert Lewelyn (sp?)- style rants into your videos. I think it would be cathartic for all of us! 😂 🇨🇦🙏
Robert, just a question. We are told again and again that the electricity is cheaper from a new wind turbine than from an existing fossil fuel plant and yet it looks to me that electricity is getting more and more expensive all over the world and especially where there is a great penetration of wind energy. Is someone profiteering.
Politicians trying to sell themselves as environmentally conscious and companies that build renewables are profiteering. They sell renewables by stating the peek output, which it only produces for a small fraction of the time, and don’t mention the high costs to the rest of the system caused by the reliability.
Yes they are profiteering a lot, but not exactly for the reason kokofan says. It's also to do with the way energy is charged. It is currently based on the wholesale price of the highest resource cost of electricity generation for covering the network in peak times, that being currently gas, so all these "cheap" renewable energy suppliers reap the benefit of HUGELY inflated prices. This is something that needs to change as a matter of urgency as I have no interest whatsoever in renewable energy if cost to the customer is still based on the costliest "fuel" price used to generate electricity elsewhere & not the actual source of the energy used across the board. In my opinion, if a supplier says they only use 100% renewable energy then they should be mandated to charge you ONLY for the cost of that renewable energy - not what the cost of gas is, as last I heard was gas wasn't renewable.
@@yips_way selling at the going rate isn’t profiteering, and natural gas isn’t the highest cost producer everywhere. In the US natural gas is the lowest cost fuel, and if Europe hadn’t bet everything on renewables, they wouldn’t be having such a hard time right now with natural gas.
The US terrorist attack on the Nordstream2 II pipeline & sanctions & other BullSh1t they're blaming on the Russians is the reason energy prices have risen so sharply. It's "all the Russians fault". Of course it is...Not... It's purely profiteering using Russia as a scapegoat. Why would Russia blow up their undersea pipeline to restrict access to gas, when all they had to do was close the valves off on the mainland? Saving massive costs to restart supply. Calling the Americans psychopathic C##nts would be complementing them.
@@kokofan50 The Nordstream2 II incident didn't happen in your version of reality?... If they HAD bet everything on RE they wouldn't be having a hard time now. If Germany had upgraded their North/South infrastructure they wouldnt have to sell excess RE abroad then buy back France's nuclear electricity at inflated cost to balance supply & demand, because Germany can't distribute it's RE due to aforementioned cr4p, outdated infrastructure. If the UK had subsidised RE instead of wasting £billions on Hinckley C with the usual nuclear industry mafia 10 year build & £billions budget overspend... Too many people posting here with only mainstream media information, half of which is standard Fossil/Nuclear industry FUD to delay the inevitable RE onslaught & allowing those mafia cartels to keep screwing consumers/taxpayers.
Fantastic. Perth western Australia just gave us a great deal 8c kw between 9am till 3 pm. Then double the normal 27c till 9 pm then 22c till 9am. Awesome. I can fully charge leafy for $1.92 for 24kw 😅
Utilities here in the US are obligated to eventually support demand response due to FERC 2222, but not all these energy markets exist yet. This works when billing systems exist to support aggregators who can organize VPP's (virtual power plants), energy trading, and time of use pricing, with a fair price for scheduling load or for exporting power from batteries or EV's when the grid needs it. You could make money every day by storing power made during most days and nights and exporting it between 5-7pm. Simply volunteering helps but a fair price is more effective.
Very good video as always. I'm way behind and only just getting solar installed, but hoping to make a bit of a difference. On subject of renewables, would it be possible to promote a link for a wind farm off of the Dorset coast? There's an online petition running to revisit an idea of a wind farm off of Poole / Bournemouth. Dorset is massively lagging behind with wind turbines compared to the rest of the UK and would be good to see us contributing to the grid as well.
Stephen Brickwood, Wind turbines have a great solution close at hand! The solutions are easy to find. I want to tell Russia to "Kiss Off, we have plenty of electricity, so keep your gas".
@@Kangenpower7 How about you keep repeating "Hey government, you & your European energy company mates can keep your businesses away from the UK. We don't need you buying any coal oil or gas, foreign or otherwise,, because we have renewables". But you keep repeating this BrainDead Russian hatred... I bet you read The Sun & The Star!...
Community batteries can be a huge part of a fast transition to renewable technology. Forget home batteries. Maybe forget high density lithium and use Flow batteries.
😂😂😂😂😂 Well spotted! Just how long do people expect their home battery installation to last during a power cut ? Unless you switch off/refrain from using the power hungry stuff then not that long. Perhaps Googling up the topic of doing a power audit might bring people back to earth, with a bump. Community or area batteries might be a better bet.
@@t1n4444 home battery 14kwh. EV battery upto 100kwh and is free with every EV. Hahaha 😊 Most vehicles are parked 23hrs a day and ezi pezi to top up daily without a rapid charger. Allan Fells predicated 5 times more electricity demand with no fossil fuels. I suspect that it will be 5 fold bigger peak demands throughout the day. And 20million buildings rooftop solar PV supply in Australia.
@@t1n4444 it is possible and can be done in small areas first. Small country towns can independently do it and still keep the grid connections as a big battery backup. The grid gets the connection fees. Farming communities can be very self reliant. Power suppliers can create virtual power grids.
@@t1n4444 Why WOULD you use power hungry stuff during a power cut? That's a "first world problem" if ever I heard one. You want cold (frozen) food. A means to cook that food. (Only used for short periods) A means to heat / cool the home if required. Information (use your "devices" not the widescreen)
We have a wind turbine from 1987 which is still operating (I think) at Breamlea in Victoria, and the Toora Windfarm in South Gippsland has some turbines that have been operating since about the early-'90s.
Robert, did you realise, that the UK has taken a huge energy decision (without to my knowledge making an announcement), to go large on Hydrogen? Or at least Gas/Hydrogen mix. Near where I live streets are being dug up to lay new yellow plastic gas/hydrogen pipes, but what is surprising to me plastic insert pipes are being fed to the individual property meters! If required property driveways are being dug up to facilitate this. On enquiry with the workers, their company has a contract to complete the task for the whole of the North West! I suspect this is a UK wide project.
Really? Why? That really makes little sense, going electric will always be so unimaginable much cheaper in every way then hydrogen, why would anyone want to use it? Especially in their home.
At 40 minutes into this video, I like that Dr. Barnes says that more natural gas is used by the Natural Gas Exporters. They use the gas to run compressors and cool the natural gas into liquid natural gas, that can be transported by ships. Steel towers are limited to about 12 feet in diameter to allow them to go under a bridge in America. They are starting to build a concrete tower base in Europe, where they have 4 meter high sections that are about 10 meters in diameter at the base, and only 3 meters at the top of the 60 meter wind tower base. Then the rest is done in steel. At 28 minutes into this video, she said a friend told her "My grandad was a coal minter, my dad and I also, now it is so much better to be 100 meters above the ground than 100 meters below the ground!" We need to let the coal miners know that it is so much safer to be 100 meters above ground, not 100 meters below ground!
I'm only asking and have no knowledge whatever on the subject. Iy seems to me there are thousands of pylons carrying UK National Grid. Could reletively small turbines of some kind not be retrofitted atop of them?
I live in Tasmania which derives virtually all its power from Hydro. I know dams can emit some carbon but I would like to know if it is considered renewable or not?
Of course its renewable. Its the original construction that has some environmental waste attached to it. The area flooded can be very political. Here in Quebec , Canada all our power for 7 million people is hydro. The dams were built decades ago, were we to try the same now it would be very controversial environmentally
With batteries becoming cheaper; would it be possible to put wind in remote locations (desert) and run a rail line to the turbines. Load large batteries on a rail car. charge. and move to populations? Run a continuous loop of cars
This is an engineering question. It should be answered by calculation. How would the energy cost of moving the batteries, plus the losses in charging and discharging them, compare with the energy losses in cable transmission? How would the costs of building and operating the railroad compare with those of the transmission line? Could the batteries be charged at the source, and discharged at the destination, without stopping the train to load and unload the batteries? If the source were solar panels rather than wind turbines, could the intervening distance be chosen so that batteries charged during the day were discharged at night?
Going 100% ‘renewable’ for electricity generation is fine (if you believe in that) but electricity is still only a fraction of total energy usage - in the UK around 25% I believe so we shouldn’t confuse this with meeting 100% of energy needs. We are miles from that.
Petrol/diesel use will all be replaced by electricity soon. Most gas usage in homes and industry will also become electric as well. At that point you are closing in on that 100% quickly
No matter how big the windmill, no wind= no energy. Don't fly. Don't drive. Stay at home. Turn off your appliances (Central heating; Air con) Simple. Home deliveries. It is a wonderful life.
Let’s talk about how the intermittent renewables get backed up so we have a stable electricity grid?, how do you supply a country with electricity when the wind doesn’t blow for multiple days and the solar isnt generating.
Unlike Rosie I have actually worked in electrical engineering mainly in generation systems for decades with the last decade being mainly in wind power in Europe working on the design and latterly certification of some of the largest offshore wind farms on the planet and I can tell her now that Wind energy will never replace nuclear and hydrocarbon energy sources. I like most engineers who got involved in wind power thought it would save the planet albeit by destroying huge swathes of hillsides and seabeds that if oil and gas were to do it there would be a huge outcry but the fact is that without huge government subsidies that push up the costs of electricity massively these things are financially impossible to build and if the full damage they do to the environment was added up they would be impossible to build from a renewables standpoint also. Sadly we only ever hear from those benefitting from the pushing of wind power who are simply not willing to be honest about its true costs and its enormous weaknesses in terms of reliability of supply (the wind generation in the UK increasingly drops to near zero for weeks on end), short lifetimes well short of the 25 years promised (especially at sea) so meaning the whole generation system has to be renewed at least every 20 years on average, utilisation even at sea is less than a third of rating on average meaning far more electrical equipment has to be installed to capture the same energy as a thermal plant that in less than 1% of the footprint produces 24/7 and as a result massive increases in energy costs in every country that has fitted them occurs with those countries having a higher share of electricity generated by wind having higher costs than the next country down the list without exception. Wind power makes very rich corporations and their investors far richer at everyone elses expense and destroys the planet to boot. Nuclear energy in any number of its forms is far less damaging to the environment and actually permits a country to have a first world economy that doesn't have to shut down for weeks on end as would have already been happening across Europe for years now had it not been for nuclear power stations providing base load and massive numbers of cheap gas powered stations picking up the baton that wind all too frequently drops. Unfortunately pushing "experts" like Rosie to the fore to push the nonsense that wind power is a good idea after nearly two decades of it being obvious in the real world that it can never work only pushes the West ever further behind the real first world countries of the far east. I recently took early retirement simply because I was not willing to keep on participating in this lie being foisted upon the people of the world that wind power is in any way actually renewable. Electricity prices are being designed to rise not fall and anyone supporting that is supporting fuel poverty for the poor and "the poor" are increasingly coming to a street near you if this continues as more and more people are dragged into planned debt.
Thanks for your frank post. I agree with you, I work in utilities engineering. I find it interesting how little most understand about the fundamentals of the electricity grid. It’s annoying that they present shows with ‘experts’ and then back up their claims with anecdotes. There is a huge amount of investor cash flowing into wind power. Is someone who works in the industry going to spill the beans and tell the truth, even if they are aware of it (they probably aren’t) The only people who can speak their minds are either retired (like you), or in a tiny minority (like me) who actually say what they think. Everyone else toes the line for fear of being called a Climate Denier. The science is never settled, and no amount of wishful thinking will make this work. It’s a boondoggle, shortly to meet its end when people wake up to the reality of an expensive, unreliable electricity grid. And yes, demand side response is an unreliable grid. Just because they incentivise behaviour to fit in around the blowing of the wind, doesn’t mean they aren’t inconveniencing your life. And no, I will not install a smart meter. My life is busy enough as it is to have to deal with another factor. I will cook my supper when it suits ME, not when it suits the electrical grid. Like a lot of things nowadays taken over by the blob, the cart is before the horse. People serve politicians instead of politicians serving the people, people serve the grid instead of the grid serving the people. FUBAR
Relying on others peoples data, my apologies, the sources were from Great Britain. Recent green energy projects always promise lower electricity costs, but in every case the end result in much higher cost, sometimes double.
Rosie Barnes' last comment. The rest of Australia will experience energy bill increase next year, except Canberra. Why? Because their supply is fully renewable. OMG. This didn't happen overnight. While Scotty was in Parliament with his dirty lump of coal the local utilities were going fully renewable. I hate to say it but we the citizens of Australia have been right royally screwed over by a liberal government. A government which was charged with looking after our best interests but instead looked after the interests of the HC industry and their own pockets. A pox on anybody in Scotty's and earlier liberal governments. I have changed from being a liberal voter to being labor voter, having been betrayed by those politicians who I put my faith in and voted for. May you rot in your own hell for the sin of your dishonesty.
Enjoyed that. Stopped listening to the previous one, as he was talking over the guest too much, did my head in. Different subject, mostly in EV and chargers on the internet. I'll check out her channel.
I've not watched the video yet, but just reading the video title. And, well, the fact that 100% renewable energy is inevitable is right there in the very name "renewables" itself. Renewables renew. They don't run out. Whereas, non-renewables don't renew. They run out. And, eventually, the things that can run out will run out, while the things that can't run out, don't. And, basically, one day, all that's left remaining are the renewables. In that sense, it's only an illusion to imagine that any of us have a choice in the long term. You can love oil and coal and gas all you like, but eventually it'll all run out and you just won't have those options anymore. Because when you burn those fuels, they're gone for good. And, by all estimates, we've only got a few decades left for oil. Natural gas won't be far behind, and coal might reach a century. But the thing with those estimates is that they are "at current usage rates" and our usage rates historically keep going up. So they're drawing a line on the graph to guess at the "death date" for these fuels, whereas it will, in reality, be a curve. But the big one is that, well, imagine that there's only a single barrel of oil left on the entire planet. How much do you think it would cost to buy the last remaining barrel of oil in existence? Truth is, it's priceless. As Indiana Jones would rightly say: "It belongs in a museum" and it'd be almost blasphemous for someone to buy that and burn it. So what I'm getting at is that, as these fuels run out, they'll keep getting more and more expensive. At an exponential rate. As they are riding that curve towards pricelessness at their very end. Thanks to Putin's war, we've seen how economically devastating that could be. There's a "cost of living crisis" and natural gas prices have shot through the roof - and thanks to slightly stupid marginal supply rules, electricity prices have massively shot up, because we all get charged by the most expensive source, which is gas right now. Economically, it's this bad. And it's only the cutting back of one supplier - not even the full loss, because even the EU is still forced to buy some Russian oil and gas. So imagine how economically apocalyptic it'd be to permanently lose not just one supplier but, one by one, every single supplier of fossil fuels. So when we say that oil or gas or coal has so many decades left, that's until the fuel's extinction. Your ability to afford it - for anyone to afford it - will die far more quickly. And, again, as gas and oil prices double, then triple, and keep rising, it becomes inevitable that you will have to step off the merry-go-round. You just won't be able to economically afford anything else. And, truth is, you should be stepping off that merry-go-round now, because it can only get more painful from here on in. While, on the other hand, renewables are already the cheapest form of energy. They'll get cheaper, as economies of scale kick in and technologies matures. And - in the current climate, this might be most significant - they're economically stable. They only depend on the Sun continuing to rise and set (or, for tidal / wave, that the Moon continues to exist), which are amongst the safest bets you could ever make (plus, if either of those things ceased to be true, then we're screwed and worrying about how to power your shower and toaster will be the least of your concerns). Therefore, as I say, the inevitability of 100% renewables is guaranteed. It's only a temporary "illusion of choice". Soon enough, that choice will be taken from you by the depletion of fossil fuels - there won't be any left for you to choose - and, well before that "final day" of oil and gas and coal, their prices are going to go exponential. Putin has unintentionally given us a "sneak peek" - a preview - of how economically destructive that's going to be. Because the West giving up just one supplier - in Russia - and not even doing a terribly good job of it, as even the EU is still buying some Russian oil and gas, despite not wanting to, for a lack of having the capacity to just completely drop Russian supply altogether overnight. Putin "playing with the gas taps" can do this to the world economy. So imagine what, say, Venezuela reporting "sorry, no more oil left" - the permanent loss of suppliers - would do. And then, say, Iran reports "sorry, no more left" shortly after them. And the dominoes all fall one by one. Imagine how economically catastrophic each permanent loss of supply would be individually, and then realise that they'd come at us, one after the other. Until, eventually, all suppliers report "no more oil left". And please note that, in this argument, I've only utilised nothing more than basic arithmetic. And, economically, it's no more than "supply vs. demand" - the supply is going down and the demand is going up, so the price can only increase, at an increasingly exponential rate (this won't just get worse, it'll start getting worse, faster and faster). I've not mentioned - because I really don't have to - anything to do with climate change here. But, for the record, that is a thing and it has its own set of catastrophic problems to pile on top of the basic arithmetic I've covered (not "instead of", but "in addition to"). Finite things run out, and the cost of finite things, as they run out, gets exponentially more expensive. These two "basic arithmetic" facts are all you need to know to realise that 100% renewables are inevitable - and the only way to avoid a world full of economic pain like humanity's never seen before. Indeed - apologies to Greta Thunberg and David Attenborough, as I do like and agree with those guys - but the emphasis on climate change has sometimes been unhelpful. It's a nebulous abstract concept, seemingly in the future, that a lot of human beings just can't mentally get a grip on to feel the urgency. It's too intellectual a concept to trigger the average person's emotional alarm bells. You can intellectually think "yes, I see how that could be a problem", but it doesn't naturally trigger people's "oh shit" panic instincts. Their emotional response. Which is what you need to actually panic people enough to get off their arses and do something about it. Whereas, we all pay bills. We're all, right now, feeling very much poorer - doubly so in Europe, but the whole world economy is feeling it, to some degree - and we're having to act immediately, by turning down the heating (or not turning it on at all) and using as little as we can, because there's nothing "abstract" or "remote" about the electricity and gas bills landing on your door mat. If we'd had someone like Greta, but who'd been making the ECONOMIC case for the past few decades, then we'd be in much better shape right now. No offence, Greta. Love you. But even you must concede the point. Hit people in the wallet, and you get an instant reaction out of them. If there's any upsides to Putin's pointless war, then it's that he's given us this "sneak preview" of the economic damage that will be wrought, if we cling onto fossil fuels, as the suppliers die off one by one. If the (slightly half-arsed) voluntary loss of one supplier - and only to the West, as China and India keep buying Russian oil and gas, no problem - can cause this much economic destruction, then imagine the wave after wave of apocalyptic disaster that would come from riding this roller-coaster to its inevitable conclusion, where suppliers, one by one, start reporting PERMANENT LOSS. That they're gone and are never coming back. It will wipe out whole economies. I don't just mean the usual depression or recession there, but actually causing total economic collapse. Whole currencies ceasing to exist. We cannot ride this roller-coaster to the end, as the tracks are leading to a very big solid brick wall and we're going to slam into that at 1000mph. Step off the ride now. You have been forewarned.
Er, you've made the schoolboy/girl error of saying way WAY too much here! Everyone stopped reading about 10% of the way through your magnum opus!! You have to keep the audience's attention!! Less is almost always more.......!
The only "inevitability" is fossil fuel production is declining. Thus we will need something. The question is WHAT - that WHAT cannot be Solar nor Wind. These are demonstratable farces. The fail point is battery storage. The largest storage battery in the world was just built in the UK Cost 400 million for 400 Megawatts- it could only sustain the current electrical demand in the UK 11 seconds. You'd need 1500 such giant batteries to maintain power at night; not to mention dark winter days. Unfortunately you need to triple that to move fossil to electric - so you need 4500 such storage sites; at a cost of 400 Million each - is roughly 25 Trillion dollars. Does that Strike you as real even at 10 Trillion? The entire UK economy is only 3.1 trillion - don't forget this is just the storage; not the wind mills and the solar farms. TOTAL CRAP.
IMO, Too much on 'the positives' without addressing the negatives that come with the positives. Ex. at around 37 minutes, Robert speaks about decreasing usage of power at times when less energy is produced. OK, quite sensible, but that would also greatly increase the usage in a smaller time frame - which is also the time frame that industry is using the most power. Can the Grids handle that? Additionally, I heard no mention of dangers to wildlife. Birds are smashed by wind turbines and fried by solar. Considering the increased units of these sources, there would also be an increase in wildlife deaths/injuries. What about waste? Parts for Green energy don't last forever and are surely not made of biodegradable materials. Just a sample.
There is very few problems that science and engineering cannot solve for all of humanity today. The only reason we are not solving all the issues is this archaic social model that insists that we must pay to live on this rock in space. Its not a lack of science, technology, resources or manpower.
@@kokofan50 I got news for you. Economics? Has NOTHING to do with science. Science is based upon the observation of nature. Economics is based in speculation. Sociology, Biology, Psychology, Anthropology, Archeology, Medicine and even physics disprove your precious voodoo economic theories.
@@kokofan50 No its a ponzi scheme to extract as much value as possible by making access to resources scarce. We already produce enough food on this planet to support 10 billion people but throw 1/2 of its away every day with over supply of lucrative markets. And an estimated 70% of all manufactured goods land in the trash within 24 months. Sooooo efficient. By scientific scales of performance? Consumer capitalism is the LEAST efficient system of resource management that the human species has created in history. Our nature was always from thrift and conservation of resources BEFORE mass media advertising started manipulating human behavior btw. And over $300 billion was spent in the US alone last year trying to convince people to buy more soon to be trash. Infinite growth is NOT sustainable on a planet that has a FINITE amount of resources. You cannot change the laws of PHYSICS!
There's just never a great outcome when you have two allies talking like it's coffee time. We need actual scrutiny to know what is what. What is the intermittency storage required? Do we have it? Australia is one country, what about the rest of the world? If turbines are hard to recycle, then what is the endgame? Are carbon inputs still relied upon to produce the machinery itself? How are turbines and solar going to deal with the extreme weather conditions in certain regions since a regrettable amount of climate change is already baked in and therefore extreme weather volatility and hurricanes are baked in? Especially provided that AMOC is collapsing, how will Britain handle energy transition?
The major issue stoping onshore wind in the UK is that the local population have no direct interest or benefit. They even have no indirect interest as Uk wind energy, onshore or offshore, is just as expensive to the consumer as gas.
All the utilities in the UK are European owned & those companies are milking the UK consumer dry. The government are to blame, as usual for privatising the UK energy industries & then allowing foreign companies to buy/supply the UK, overcharge & then not mandate or legally enforce a quick enough transition to Solar. No doubt UK consumer money has gone into funding RE in Germany & nuclear in France, both of who's energy price increases are a fraction of what UK customers are paying!!
100% alternative energy is real and a necessity. Global fossil fuels supply 84% of global energy but are near permanent supply decline. How much energy can be supplied but alternative sources once fossil fuels are depleted is another question to be answered?
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I was very pleased that you did this episode! I enjoyed listening to a guest with real brains with experience in the industry. Engineers are the ones who build our world.
Rosie's channel is awesome. If you're not subscribed over there, you'll love it! She has so many cool videos and interviews in the industry.
@@MrJoegotbored I've been watching her from the beginning. But thanks for the thought. I like to hear from people with brains and experience. I was encouraging fully charged to do it more often as they sometimes have people that do not have either. Sam Evans is one they should stay away from, to name one!
Engineers built our world. Scientists designed it.
Politicians like to rearrange the deck chairs - as all they really do is shift taxes from one place to another - and then claim credit for absolutely everything.
Actually the armies of for profit capitalism bound engineers, many of them venture capitalists themselves out for a nice healthy subsidy for their greenwashing, are the ones who are likely going to kill us all in the end, as they like most people, accept the physics of climate change for sure but not that capitalism is both driving it and that climate change and ecological collapse are the twin symptoms of perpetual growth capitalism that will never be solved and ecologically only be worsened, by attempting to dig up ever increasing amounts of resources to augment a perpetually growing global socioeconomic system with cleaner technologies, that blew past the climatological red line by 1998 and ecological red line by 1990.
The laws of thermodynamics are very clear on why in a closed system, such as earth, it is a monumentally stupid and catastrophic idea to create machines to clean up the mess you make with the machine you use to create them unless you've managed to break the laws of physics by creating 100% efficiency... not gonna happen.
Until the accountants force the engineers to screw things up just to save a few shekels.....
We’ve past peak oil. I’m in India and half the Tuk Tuks are electric. And the same with motorcycles in Vietnam
That's good to hear, I visited India in the 90's and the City air was not good
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There's going to be a literal "power shift" when the let's call them "previously not first world" countries run with the new solutions leaving many of the "previously first world" countries (often Petrodollar based) with outdated technology and declining income.
Could get "messy" (ref Russia) but the change IS inevitable.
In the interim however, it does mean that the world's coal use is going up
That will go down too eventually too. Only around 40% of our steel is made from recycled steel which is a fair amount, but we'll need a hell of a lot more steel because that's what we need for renewables
Currently, steel is made from coking coal. The alternative is hydrogen but that's not yet scalable, and realistically that hydrogen will likely be made from gas rather than renewables.
Making hydrogen from renewable electrics is just making electricity with extra steps. But hey, at least polluting hydrogen is still better than coking coal so there's a. silver lining
@@jamesgrover2005 That's the main reason why India and China are leading here.
There's a reason why smog no longer exists in the UK. Once you start seeing the pollution, then politicians act a hell of a lot faster
Also, I think what isn't mentioned here, is that you end up building a sort of centralised yet decentralised grid.
I didn't quite realise that until I got my own solar panels and I realised that because it has to communicate to the grid, you're always sending a bit of power to the grid
Ultimately, that means that the amount of renewables being used goes up drastically if more and more people are exporting energy back into the grid
@@jamesgrover2005 the air still isn’t good, but I think that’s due to dust as well.
Rosie is amazing. So glad she's joining the show.
I met Dr. Barnes through the video you posted on the main channel. She is a phenomenal professional and a great communicator. She really manages to convey the complexity and yet the feasibility of the energy transition in a very clear way. So glad you’ll be collaborating with her. Great interview btw
This was utterly fantastic! Very surprised to hear that Rosie considers herself to be a pessimist which you'd never surmise from her videos, always rather positive while being realistic. Wonderful job Robert and Rosie!
Amber Electric already let customers buy and sell at wholesale prices. In SA prices are often negative on sunny days. I charge two EVs for around 3c per kWh on average. You do need automated systems to shutdown big loads during price spikes.
Rob Haitch, my sister bought a home built in 1986 that did have a panel that shuts off her electric dryer and water heater during times of high power demand. This was in Phoenix Arizona. They do have them! Just shutting off those two loads can save a lot of power, then run them at night. I have my water heater set to run 9 pm to 7 am. I have plenty of hot water for the rest of the day. I have a special time of day rate plan, where on weekdays between 5 pm and 9 pm is $0.32 per KW, while weekends and after 9 pm is only $0.08 per KW, and 7 am to 5 pm on weekdays is $0.13 per KW. So I make a few changes, and now 92% of my power use is off peak, while only 8% is between 5 and 9 on weekdays.
@@Kangenpower7I can't help but think that I'd just sell my dryer if I lived in Arizona.
Rosie is amazing, she makes the most interesting observations, I feel like a learned a lot. Thanks Rosie!
Yes! The whole world is finally taking notice. I happily support you guys in this video.
I live dead close to farm land that's "protected green land"
I'd absolutely love to see a wind farm "on my doorstep" effectively. I'm sure even the NIMBYs would get involved once they realise that having a wind farm close to you, basically halves your energy costs
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@@nottoday8483 one day you'll realise that energy cost & reliability also have little or nothing to do with CO2...
Wow - very positive attidude of Rosie Barnes - hope for the future is within this
Rosie for energy minister. Delighted she is joining your channel I've so enjoyed her own channel although being 70 years old I can't always keep up with her especially the maths .
The “Early 1990 offshore windfarm in Denmark” Rosie mentions, is Vindeby: Eleven 450kW Bonus turbines. The farm came online october 12 1991 and was decomissioned 25 years later.
These things only last 25 years?
@@chairmakerPete Remember this was the first off its kind, it was worn out. Another offshore park Middelgrunden has now been running 28 years. We are running a pilot project to retrofit with a new nacelle and wings. Reusing the tower, transformers and cables. Thus extending its usable life another 20 years.
@Jens Winther OK - so 45/50 years is now a reasonable number for lifespan, given a 25 year major revamp.
Do these things require much servicing before the 25 years, or once installed, do they just crank out power "for free"?
@@chairmakerPete They need servicing. Thats why offshore is more expensive to run and install. You can’t just drive a van with a service tech to the turbine and fix the job. Offeshore needs boats and helicopters. But offshore turbines genereate more power due to the greater wind resources.
@@jenswinther8601 presumably it's a simple calculation that increased servicing costs are more than covered by the additional power output that can be sold.
I have concerns about energy density of wind power, but this has been useful information. Thank you.
As a fellow engineer I am very impressed by her knowledge
so, what kind of train do you drive?
@@johnnyjet3.1412 what kind of donkey, mule or 455 do YOU ride?...
The next time you're on an electric commerical flight you'll know you are correct!
Will never happen, physics is a bitch I know.
Home robotic vacuum cleaners can teach the selfparking EV to connect to the grid.
All vehicles are parked 23hrs a day.
All vehicles can program minimum charge available at a particular time.
Trading electricity with the grid for money and profit.
Grid stability can be part of the feature.
Yay Rosie! Now to watch this episode.
What about the Victorian Government cancelling the registrations of EVs and not even telling the owners so they get a 1000 dollar fine? Corrupt politicians in with the fossil fuel industry or what? And I thought the way EV drivers are treated in the UK was bad enough without the incentives the EU countries get!!!!
I think people will have to start thinking what industries become viable once renewable generation is greater than current/projected demand. I think particularly Australia is on their way there, clearly not immdediately but in the next 10 years. Their potential is huge.
They need to get Ford and others to start building batteries and electric cars in Australia! Australia needs the tax incentives that we have in America, so that Ford will invest in a battery plant in Australia. Otherwise Ford will say "We can import batteries to Australia once we have enough made in America to produce all the cars we need in America. And that will take until about 2035.
I would love to stop importing oil to America, and especially to places like a small village on the coast of Alaska, that must barge in millions of gallons of oil to provide heating and electricity to that small village each winter. They have started to install a couple of small wind turbines, about 1 MW each, or less, to provide electrical power to the village. They sometimes will fly in a jet, to drain the excess fuel into the storage tanks to get them through until the spring thaw, when a million gallon barge of fuel can fill the tanks again.
For Japan, Singapore, and many other areas, they need to stop importing oil so they can stop exporting so much money they exchange for that oil. I think it would be wonderful to replace some of Japan oil fired power plants with geothermal. They might not need to drill down 1,000 feet to reach some 1,000F heat in the rocks! Install a 8" diameter steel pipe, with a 1" diameter injection water line going down the center, to supply water, that can turn to steam, and then run the power plant on the surface.
The total cost of ownership is much less with a EV than a gas car. I like to compare it to the coal fired locomotives to the diesel electric locomotives they started using in the 30's in America. By 1948, they started to shift to diesel locomotives, and by 1950, every rail line went to diesel. It still took them 10 years to fully convert, and by 1960, it was rare to see a coal locomotive, and by 1965, there where only a handful still running a steam locomotives, mostly for excursion lines, and not for profit main lines.
Australia will really miss the boat if they do not have incentives to the auto companies to build the battery in Australia and to build the electric cars there, even for export to other countries.
@@Kangenpower7 Australia doesn't have the population numbers (bearing in mind there are multiple EV manufacturers i.e competition & The Chinese are aready supplying Oz) so it's not worth Ford's while to build plants in Oz. There's a reason just about every car manufacturer pulled out of Oz in the last 10-15 years.
Virtual power plant will reduce the solar storage capacity needed and the EV battery used as storage will allow grid independence for a couple of days. :)
The EV battery is limited to when the EV is at the home for two reasons.
(Assuming the EV is used for its primary purpose and the home has Solar)
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1) The EV will often if not always be away from the home during the peak solar generation period, which means the solar will at least in part be "offered" to the grid utility.
When the practice becomes widespread it's highly likely the "home solar" will simply be used to charge a *utility battery* (!) and there's a reasonable chance of oversupply from homes meaning that utility will not want the energy (if their battery network is full)
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2) Unless you can guarantee power cuts will only occur at certain times, essentially when the owner is at home, the vehicle provides zero cover.
Imagine you're about to leave for work and there's a power cut?
What are your choices?
Stay home and explain to your boss you won't be in for the third time that month?
Leave and use public transport (in which case, why do you own the car?)
Leave in the car and hope the power returns?
You mention
"grid independence for a couple of days"....
*Only if the car is there* (see above)
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Solar with a home battery solves the problem and pays for the system.
You remove the home from the grid, and sell excess when you want to.
Thanks for a very interesting and educational conversation, Rosie and Robert. Your high standards are appreciated. We need to see more like this one. 🙂
Thank you Rosie I didn't realise your channel was started so recently. I always enjoy watching your videos. It always adds so much more value when somebody actually knows what they're talking about and understand the mechanics behind it.
And the real economics, not the BullSh1t & LIES put out by the fossil & nuclear BINdustries.
You with Rosie and others you have on the show is a coalition of the sane. Very refreshing amongst all of the nonsense we hear.
In Denmark we consumers pay the Nordpool day ahead price for electricity.
The consumer electricity price varies with demand and supply.
I used to live in Germany near Hannover and driving along some of the autobahns you could see a history of wind turbine development. Early examples had towers more akin to the ones holding the cables for the national grid rather than solid structures and were much shorter.
At my house near Celle I could see over 20 turbines and that wasn't unusual. Driving along the 7 down towards Munich the amount of solar panels covering farm buildings was also staggering.
Randomjasmic, I am happy that Germany is making plenty of renewable power and can tell Russia to Kiss Off!
In America we are also replacing our 25 year old wind farms that have 750 KW wind turbines installed in the 90's with 2.5 MW to 3 MW wind turbines popular now! Now there is a concrete tower being installed in Europe that has 4 meter tall concrete rings, stacked up to about 60 meters tall, then a steel section put on top of that. Makes the cost much lower, and they are constructed fairly quickly!
So why are you buying power from France? You dismantled your coal and nuclear power plants and now you can't generate enough yourselves.
Nothing but a bloody eyesore. Destroying arable land and forests is certainly the way to go,
Fascinating to listen too. Info on drawbacks might have made it more rounded. Blade erosion, replacement intervals and recycling. Efforts to minimise harm to birds, bats, insect migration routes Robert and subsidies
And what happens when the wind doesn’t blow 😂
Hope I get the chance to meet Rosie at Fully Charged Live in Sydney.
A very level headed discussion about renewables, well done guys….
In Australia we have the smart energy metering and these have the ability to communicate with devices in the home if the homeowner opt into the agreement.
We could send commands to adjust the Air conditioners temperature setting because here we have issues with Heat and not cold, this could make enough difference to ease the grid load.
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Congratulations on finding yet another great presenter 👍
Coal export profits are the same as petroleum import costs.
BIOMASS - please please do a show/podcast on the green wash that is biomass burning. Please dispel the myth that this is green and that somehow burning this carbon is better than letting it rot in the ground. Or that assuming in 25 years that the tress you have cut down will be replaced by new happy trees (fires, drought, floods, erosion all ignored). Also highlight how we are cutting down forests to supply this ridiculous demand. Also point out how much more energy this takes and how much more polluting it is than the coal that it is being replaced by. This has all the hallmarks of a great Robert rant that I would enjoy so much.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Rosie is a very smart lady. I agree with her policies. I am a next energy exporter. A 5kw grid connected system and 10kw Off grid system and 20kw battery that runs my house and electric vehicle.
Live in canberra myself and seeing this renewable cheapening is great. Everyone else is dealing with prices going up and here we are with slowly lowering prices.
Wow, Rosie teaches so well! She needs just a few words to clarify a big picture concept. Others would fumble around.
41:15: Yes, coal fired power plants break and are off-line in a few seconds. Otherwise, they take hours to power down in orderly manner.
43:05: Absolutely, any time there is a blackout or grid failure the politicians will blame renewables. That is as predictable as gravity.
wish Robert would move to Australia - we need him
That was a great interview! Can you interview an energy storage engineer?
Yes. So they can explain how it is technically and fiscally impossible to build energy storage on a national grid capacity level.
Exactly!@@georgebeare8883
Yay Rosie. Good job (again)
Rosie Barnes is a rockstar.
Hello, I'm watching this excellent video while vacationing in Brazil!
Cheers!
Thanks for clarifying that the whole environment thingy is not about saving the planet (but to keep our habitat)!
Not just human habitat.
Thank God you are discussing transmission costs.
- Parliament, departments and CSIRO refuse to - at many senate question sessions.
She's an engineer, she totally understands there's no point having a generator if you can't get its electricity somewhere useful.
@@alanhat5252 you can transmit electricity but at huge and uneconomic costs.
Infact if 20million buildings can pull electricity off the roof the insane bigger grid costs disappear.
The existing national grid will be UNLOADED by 50% and perfect for load balancing.
It would be like having a spare national grid capacity for free.
The money, profits will be in the grid, the grid owners.
National governments do not want to be dragged into big grid construction projects.
It is politically dangerous, governments can loose elections.
Denmark has the most renewable energy and also the highest household cost of electricity. In fact most locations that have a high amount of renewable energy have the highest prices for electricity. Most of this is because you need to keep some source of backup when the sun doesn't shin and the wind doesn't blow.
Exactly right, there needs to be back up, solar panels are useless in the winter in the uk or Northern Europe and wind is intermittent, no one is addressing the back up issue renewables are largely an expensive scam, I can see a future where we will be left with old wind turbines that will be abandoned because they are uneconomical to replace and keep maintained.
The future is Rosie ;-)
Rosie's, channel is amazingly informative and inspiring.... But her real world job is far more important..... Since one real wind turbine is more important than a million posts, about it... In my humble opinion... She is a true hero....
But in both cases keep up the good work, Rosie........
Plus the first comment with anything relevant to say lol...
Rosie is the one in the real world, she's an actual engineer climbing towers with spanners, designing blades & whatever, Robert is an actor who is interested.
@@alanhat5252 I'm sorry that I confused you my triggered friend... Have a nice day...
Great podcast.
Mentioning climate change as her sole motivation in the first 5 minutes just takes me right out. There are 10 really good reasons to get into renewables before climate change even needs to be mentioned.
Exactly, we'll die of throat/lung cancer long before sea levels ever rise high enough to flood/drown us
20million vehicles in Australia and all parked 23hrs a day with 100kwh batteries means that you can have upto 2,000gWh of DISPATCHABLE electricity daily.
Avg daily drives are 7kwh only from 100kwh capacity.
Units!
@@AnonYmous-rw6un do you mean home units and flats ?
Global calculations help you understand the dimensions of a problem and the Global solutions.
Now the details.
Rooftop solar PV over 5 hours is 1kWh, in Australia.
A house Rooftop is 100m2 to 200m2
My home would need only 16m2 of Rooftop solar PV.
And I could supply 6 houses with 100m2 covered in Rooftop solar PV.
So a 200m2 Rooftop solar power system could supply 12 home daily needs as 'feed in ' power.
Australia has 20million buildings, 10million are homes and units.
If you keep paying your power bills the owners of the grid and buildings could make a good income, 7 days a week.
200m2, at $0.30 kwh = $60 ×7 = $420 wk
Tesla plans V2H V2G within 2 years
@@johnharcombe9412
Tesla (Elon musk) says "the electronics in the cars will have the *capability* in a few years"
He (like me) doesn't think it's that useful.
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If a car isn't at the home, it can't receive the energy from the solar.
Only a static battery (individual or communal) can do that reliably.
@@johnharcombe9412Hyundai, Kia, MG, polestar already today.
Horse and cart thinking is dangerous
There was a lot of horse meat in butcher shops when cars became popular.
And a lot of people who will see their freshly new bought 65 grand SUV depreciate 96% when they go to trade it in after 3 years.
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 yep.
The amount of material required to build a sufficiently strong engineering structure increaces non-proportionately with the size not only because the volume increaces at a greater rate than the linear dimension but because a larger structure even of an identical geometry to a smaller one requires more strength to resist forces that deform it.
Because of this there are ultimate practical limits upon size.
Consider the case of the space elevator cable which even if scaled up in all dimensions would be incapable of resisting the tensile forces resulting from it's weight.
The only way to make such structures bigger is to use stronger materials.
Windmills a mile high?
But made from Graphene rather than Carbon Fiber!
Have fun in Sydney everyone.
Great video btw, isn't hope better than doom and gloom 🙂
If everyone set their air conditioner to start at random times like 3:07.13pm rather than 3:pm like 90% of people do it would significantly reduce the 3pm daily peak.
Don't you set your Aircon to kick in based on temperature rather than time? Cos that would absolutely smash sudden peaks flat.
(I'm in the UK. Air con is something you only really see in offices still, although why on earth we're pushing a2w heat pumps not a2a is frankly beyond me but the point is I'm not familiar with how air con works like someone in a hot country would be
@@jezlawrence720I don't know about Aircon but my thermostat is time based with a target temperature, i.e. 3pm 20c 10pm 14c so presumably the same is true for Aircon
@@sie4431 I see what you mean. Last couple of years I've switched my heating to lower peak temps and setbacks a few degrees lower rather that simple on/off. Dropped my gas bill by about 10-15% over the course of the winter. I understand heat pumps (which is what Aircon is) do even better when used to maintain rather than heat up or cool down.
So I assumed in hot countries the Aircon basically was on the whole time, keeping the temp a livable rather than allowing it to get hot and then have to be cooled. Assumptions may be totally wrong though which is why I asked
@@jezlawrence720 I do, but with the advent of apps to do everything, people just set the easiest time 3 or 4 pm as that is the hottest time of the day and most people get home from a few hours later.
@@fredkroh6576 ah ok I understand yes, if you're literally not there you are at least going to use higher setbacks, or off completely, then you have to allow cooling time. I'm with you.
Maybe if folk started them a bit earlier but less aggressively, and just knocked it up after they get home? It's not like folk are all arriving home at the same minute.
Mind you it's fundamentally the same challenge as what you're proposing: getting a ton of people to change their behaviour
Great episode 👍
This topic interests me immensely, but I'm needing clarification on the term renewable, as it is used for wind and solar. Three people I asked recently gave either an incomplete or confusing answer. Thank you in advance for any replies.
One aspect missing from the narrative in this episode is the fact that the resources needed to mine, refine and manufacture every wind turbine remain heavily dependent on fossil fuels.
The steel needed for the mineral mining machinery, the energy used in mineral refining and final production of the resources needed for renewable energy generation and storage all depend on fossil fuels.
We have a long way to go before all renewable energy production and storage is fully decoupled from fossil fuels. I look forward to the transition however, we must remain aware of the fact that every solar panel, every wind turbine and every EV requires a significant amount of fossil fuels to get from raw material to finished product.
So she basically has said she has five or six years experience in the real world and she wants everybody to listen to her because she's so smart. I wouldn't hire somebody with that limited amount of experience let alone listen to them.
Mr Lewellyn, kudos to your interviewing skills, appreciate.
Does anyone remember the electric power grid upgrade and the rise in power bills ??
The grid is incredibly expensive and new grid almost prohibitively expensive.
Bigger power plants need bigger new grid.
Rooftop PV needs no new grid.
Transmission costs are avoided.
Unfortunately rooftop PV means just as big a grid, since the grid is built for peak demand, which occurs outside of solar generating times. Unless there is some sort of local storage.
@@CharlesGregory yep.
As every one agrees EV, with big batteries and selfparking and plugging into the grid will give the grid massive storage and stability.
Fossil fuels can go away.
We will be using more kWhs of electricity and thereby having more units to divide the cost over. Also big numbers big - but remember that numbers mentioned often are over e.g. 10 years and then the per year per capita cost is not that bad.
@@jensageholm8774 the alternative is dirt cheap and a proper use of resources.
Electricity is the most expensive energy when compared with fossil fuels.
It is obvious when you do the maths.
Opinions can feel warm but so do fairy stories.
Big money wants big central power.
Big money will pay for the bs.
@@stephenbrickwood1602 Just so we are on the same page - is the alternative you are talking about rooftop PV? - what if you have no roof for the PV?
In my neck of the woods (Denmark) it will be a very sad existence in winter if we have to rely on rooftop PV - on the other hand we are building a lot of offshore wind in the North Sea that need some grid to power my home. Our grid investments towards 2040 are projected to be less than $10.000 per household but that is without taking into considerations the other "new" electricity consumers (like Power2X) that will also have to pay something for their grid connections.
A strong grid is one building block to a thriving society - but we are also heavily regulating the grid operators and it is for a large part owned by the state and the consumers.
excellent..we have a very hopeful future now..renewables have the economics on their side finally and that means they cannot be stopped
Yeah, great job with this one and so glad it has such an optimistic outlook. Dr Barnes is such a great communicator.👍
I'm in the UK but really looking forward to Fully Charged Oz. Hope you manage to film some of these meetings, that would be fun...my wife said to me the other day: " I wonder who's tallest... Elliot, Jack or Robert...?" ! We the public have a right to know these things😂🤣😂🤣😂
Joking aside it must be hard to film the shows while taking part in talks and discussions and having meet and greets on the ground but I really hope you have a dedicated filmographer to capture it all for us. I for one need some Aussie sunshine in my life right now as we have snow forecast in the next few hours!
Jude Brown, It would be a wonderful day when we can tell Russia "We have plenty of electricity and natural gas, so Kiss Off! "
@@Kangenpower7 Is that Russia's fault, or that of our government allowing our nationalised energy companies to be privatised & then being bought out or replaced by ALL foreign energy companies so profits go abroad? And to allow the nuclear debacle to continue with the multi £billion joke that is Hinckley C? And to not mandate or invest in enough Renewable replacements for fossil fuel energy? Yes, those B4st4rd Russians, eh? 😆😅😂
At min 40 Rosie dreams about a system, where the energy customers actually make money if they act according to the availability of power (like: use the washing machine when there is plenty of wind). Sounds nice. And true thing, you can steer consumption this way. Easily done too: the price for energy wont be constant anymore but will change from hour to hour. You ll need a complicated meter in every household and we people have to really be careful when to switch the computer on. Will you have an app on your phone that has an alarm set if the price is too high? Cool, huh? You wont "safe" money this way - you can prevent to pay a lot! Everything will be more complicated. But hey, its for the environment. And while the poor will try to carefully adjust their energy consumption ("Sorry, baby, its too expensive to turn on the AC now..." Will the rich politicians that sold us this "way to safe money" carelessly consume energy because they have enough money.
How good is Rosie
Better than most of the id10t1s posting FUD on here, who are trying to sound intellectual & informed...
Thank you
I know this was about wind and solar mostly but Australia needs to capture all the rainfall, store it and build hydro to provide Baseload and storage to balance out solar/wind. We also need wave and tidal power.
"the planet doesn't care"... It was here before us and will be here.... After us?
It's our challenge to lengthen the time we're here.
Rosie, you remind me of a much younger, much smarter, female version of myself! I did my mech eng thesis on ‘windpower for residential use’ in 1981. I’ve been very intersted in energy (and clean air) since about 1970. I sense some serious frustration on your part regarding the fact that people don’t seem to give a shit about ‘ cleaning things up’, either because they’re ignorant, stupid or selfish! I would love to see you incorporate some Robert Lewelyn (sp?)- style rants into your videos. I think it would be cathartic for all of us! 😂 🇨🇦🙏
I'm surprised you don't come across people suffering with all 3 personal afflictions at the same time....
I do, every single day!!...
Robert, just a question. We are told again and again that the electricity is cheaper from a new wind turbine than from an existing fossil fuel plant and yet it looks to me that electricity is getting more and more expensive all over the world and especially where there is a great penetration of wind energy. Is someone profiteering.
Politicians trying to sell themselves as environmentally conscious and companies that build renewables are profiteering. They sell renewables by stating the peek output, which it only produces for a small fraction of the time, and don’t mention the high costs to the rest of the system caused by the reliability.
Yes they are profiteering a lot, but not exactly for the reason kokofan says. It's also to do with the way energy is charged. It is currently based on the wholesale price of the highest resource cost of electricity generation for covering the network in peak times, that being currently gas, so all these "cheap" renewable energy suppliers reap the benefit of HUGELY inflated prices.
This is something that needs to change as a matter of urgency as I have no interest whatsoever in renewable energy if cost to the customer is still based on the costliest "fuel" price used to generate electricity elsewhere & not the actual source of the energy used across the board. In my opinion, if a supplier says they only use 100% renewable energy then they should be mandated to charge you ONLY for the cost of that renewable energy - not what the cost of gas is, as last I heard was gas wasn't renewable.
@@yips_way selling at the going rate isn’t profiteering, and natural gas isn’t the highest cost producer everywhere. In the US natural gas is the lowest cost fuel, and if Europe hadn’t bet everything on renewables, they wouldn’t be having such a hard time right now with natural gas.
The US terrorist attack on the Nordstream2 II pipeline & sanctions & other BullSh1t they're blaming on the Russians is the reason energy prices have risen so sharply. It's "all the Russians fault". Of course it is...Not... It's purely profiteering using Russia as a scapegoat. Why would Russia blow up their undersea pipeline to restrict access to gas, when all they had to do was close the valves off on the mainland? Saving massive costs to restart supply. Calling the Americans psychopathic C##nts would be complementing them.
@@kokofan50 The Nordstream2 II incident didn't happen in your version of reality?... If they HAD bet everything on RE they wouldn't be having a hard time now. If Germany had upgraded their North/South infrastructure they wouldnt have to sell excess RE abroad then buy back France's nuclear electricity at inflated cost to balance supply & demand, because Germany can't distribute it's RE due to aforementioned cr4p, outdated infrastructure. If the UK had subsidised RE instead of wasting £billions on Hinckley C with the usual nuclear industry mafia 10 year build & £billions budget overspend...
Too many people posting here with only mainstream media information, half of which is standard Fossil/Nuclear industry FUD to delay the inevitable RE onslaught & allowing those mafia cartels to keep screwing consumers/taxpayers.
How about a comment about the amount of diesel needed to mine the minerals required for EVs, wind farms, battery farms and solar farms.
I found that having solar at my home has not only saved money but greatly increased my comfort.
Fantastic. Perth western Australia just gave us a great deal 8c kw between 9am till 3 pm. Then double the normal 27c till 9 pm then 22c till 9am. Awesome. I can fully charge leafy for $1.92 for 24kw 😅
Utilities here in the US are obligated to eventually support demand response due to FERC 2222, but not all these energy markets exist yet. This works when billing systems exist to support aggregators who can organize VPP's (virtual power plants), energy trading, and time of use pricing, with a fair price for scheduling load or for exporting power from batteries or EV's when the grid needs it. You could make money every day by storing power made during most days and nights and exporting it between 5-7pm. Simply volunteering helps but a fair price is more effective.
Very good video as always. I'm way behind and only just getting solar installed, but hoping to make a bit of a difference.
On subject of renewables, would it be possible to promote a link for a wind farm off of the Dorset coast? There's an online petition running to revisit an idea of a wind farm off of Poole / Bournemouth. Dorset is massively lagging behind with wind turbines compared to the rest of the UK and would be good to see us contributing to the grid as well.
I thought Engineers were optimistic because they do not stop looking for solutions.
It gets hard when solutions are hard to find.
Stephen Brickwood, Wind turbines have a great solution close at hand! The solutions are easy to find. I want to tell Russia to "Kiss Off, we have plenty of electricity, so keep your gas".
@@Kangenpower7 How about you keep repeating "Hey government, you & your European energy company mates can keep your businesses away from the UK.
We don't need you buying any coal oil or gas, foreign or otherwise,, because we have renewables". But you keep repeating this BrainDead Russian hatred... I bet you read The Sun & The Star!...
Community batteries can be a huge part of a fast transition to renewable technology.
Forget home batteries.
Maybe forget high density lithium and use
Flow batteries.
😂😂😂😂😂
Well spotted!
Just how long do people expect their home battery installation to last during a power cut ?
Unless you switch off/refrain from using the power hungry stuff then not that long.
Perhaps Googling up the topic of doing a power audit might bring people back to earth, with a bump.
Community or area batteries might be a better bet.
@@t1n4444 home battery 14kwh.
EV battery upto 100kwh and is free with every EV. Hahaha 😊
Most vehicles are parked 23hrs a day and ezi pezi to top up daily without a rapid charger.
Allan Fells predicated 5 times more electricity demand with no fossil fuels.
I suspect that it will be 5 fold bigger peak demands throughout the day.
And 20million buildings rooftop solar PV supply in Australia.
@@stephenbrickwood1602
Hmm, and you believe this will happen?
@@t1n4444 it is possible and can be done in small areas first.
Small country towns can independently do it and still keep the grid connections as a big battery backup.
The grid gets the connection fees.
Farming communities can be very self reliant.
Power suppliers can create virtual power grids.
@@t1n4444
Why WOULD you use power hungry stuff during a power cut?
That's a "first world problem" if ever I heard one.
You want cold (frozen) food.
A means to cook that food. (Only used for short periods)
A means to heat / cool the home if required.
Information (use your "devices" not the widescreen)
We have a wind turbine from 1987 which is still operating (I think) at Breamlea in Victoria, and the Toora Windfarm in South Gippsland has some turbines that have been operating since about the early-'90s.
One way to "export" green energy would be to process the metals out near their current mine sites then export metal ingots rather than the crude ore.
Robert, did you realise, that the UK has taken a huge energy decision (without to my knowledge making an announcement), to go large on Hydrogen?
Or at least Gas/Hydrogen mix.
Near where I live streets are being dug up to lay new yellow plastic gas/hydrogen pipes, but what is surprising to me plastic insert pipes are being fed to the individual property meters!
If required property driveways are being dug up to facilitate this.
On enquiry with the workers, their company has a contract to complete the task for the whole of the North West!
I suspect this is a UK wide project.
Really? Why?
That really makes little sense, going electric will always be so unimaginable much cheaper in every way then hydrogen, why would anyone want to use it? Especially in their home.
@Baron von Limbourgh I think they are planning 20/30% hydrogen mix.
I am planning heat pump and battery and disconnecting my gas!
@@grahambrown42 good choice!
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716 so the energy companies employing: neverending sales of consumables, can keep ripping us off.
At 40 minutes into this video, I like that Dr. Barnes says that more natural gas is used by the Natural Gas Exporters. They use the gas to run compressors and cool the natural gas into liquid natural gas, that can be transported by ships.
Steel towers are limited to about 12 feet in diameter to allow them to go under a bridge in America. They are starting to build a concrete tower base in Europe, where they have 4 meter high sections that are about 10 meters in diameter at the base, and only 3 meters at the top of the 60 meter wind tower base. Then the rest is done in steel.
At 28 minutes into this video, she said a friend told her "My grandad was a coal minter, my dad and I also, now it is so much better to be 100 meters above the ground than 100 meters below the ground!" We need to let the coal miners know that it is so much safer to be 100 meters above ground, not 100 meters below ground!
But by the time they've ascended the 100 metres to the job interview, career BullSh1tters will have taken all the jobs... 😉
I'm only asking and have no knowledge whatever on the subject. Iy seems to me there are thousands of pylons carrying UK National Grid. Could reletively small turbines of some kind not be retrofitted atop of them?
I live in Tasmania which derives virtually all its power from Hydro. I know dams can emit some carbon but I would like to know if it is considered renewable or not?
Of course its renewable. Its the original construction that has some environmental waste attached to it. The area flooded can be very political. Here in Quebec , Canada all our power for 7 million people is hydro. The dams were built decades ago, were we to try the same now it would be very controversial environmentally
With batteries becoming cheaper; would it be possible to put wind in remote locations (desert) and run a rail line to the turbines. Load large batteries on a rail car. charge. and move to populations? Run a continuous loop of cars
Interesting idea but I'd assume that transporting that power through a cable would be cheaper.
For a start, you're transporting the batteries double the distance
That's weight and moving weight requires energy.
This is an engineering question. It should be answered by calculation.
How would the energy cost of moving the batteries, plus the losses in charging and discharging them, compare with the energy losses in cable transmission?
How would the costs of building and operating the railroad compare with those of the transmission line?
Could the batteries be charged at the source, and discharged at the destination, without stopping the train to load and unload the batteries?
If the source were solar panels rather than wind turbines, could the intervening distance be chosen so that batteries charged during the day were discharged at night?
The rail would be more expensive than laying a cable.
I would just put up a cable and send it trough there.
Much easier and cheaper and it is 100 year old technology already that we know how to do.
Going 100% ‘renewable’ for electricity generation is fine (if you believe in that) but electricity is still only a fraction of total energy usage - in the UK around 25% I believe so we shouldn’t confuse this with meeting 100% of energy needs. We are miles from that.
Petrol/diesel use will all be replaced by electricity soon. Most gas usage in homes and industry will also become electric as well.
At that point you are closing in on that 100% quickly
@@baronvonlimbourgh1716
The great renewable con
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Morning Rosie! 👋☺️
Rosie is one of the best, and exactly the kind of person we need now with all the nonsense that is out there.
Whats her podcast called?
It’s called The attractive female engineer podcast. It’s really very popular!
No matter how big the windmill, no wind= no energy.
Don't fly. Don't drive. Stay at home. Turn off your appliances (Central heating; Air con) Simple. Home deliveries. It is a wonderful life.
Let’s talk about how the intermittent renewables get backed up so we have a stable electricity grid?, how do you supply a country with electricity when the wind doesn’t blow for multiple days and the solar isnt generating.
Theme Song - David Rovics - 'The Biggest Windmill'
Unlike Rosie I have actually worked in electrical engineering mainly in generation systems for decades with the last decade being mainly in wind power in Europe working on the design and latterly certification of some of the largest offshore wind farms on the planet and I can tell her now that Wind energy will never replace nuclear and hydrocarbon energy sources.
I like most engineers who got involved in wind power thought it would save the planet albeit by destroying huge swathes of hillsides and seabeds that if oil and gas were to do it there would be a huge outcry but the fact is that without huge government subsidies that push up the costs of electricity massively these things are financially impossible to build and if the full damage they do to the environment was added up they would be impossible to build from a renewables standpoint also.
Sadly we only ever hear from those benefitting from the pushing of wind power who are simply not willing to be honest about its true costs and its enormous weaknesses in terms of reliability of supply (the wind generation in the UK increasingly drops to near zero for weeks on end), short lifetimes well short of the 25 years promised (especially at sea) so meaning the whole generation system has to be renewed at least every 20 years on average, utilisation even at sea is less than a third of rating on average meaning far more electrical equipment has to be installed to capture the same energy as a thermal plant that in less than 1% of the footprint produces 24/7 and as a result massive increases in energy costs in every country that has fitted them occurs with those countries having a higher share of electricity generated by wind having higher costs than the next country down the list without exception.
Wind power makes very rich corporations and their investors far richer at everyone elses expense and destroys the planet to boot. Nuclear energy in any number of its forms is far less damaging to the environment and actually permits a country to have a first world economy that doesn't have to shut down for weeks on end as would have already been happening across Europe for years now had it not been for nuclear power stations providing base load and massive numbers of cheap gas powered stations picking up the baton that wind all too frequently drops.
Unfortunately pushing "experts" like Rosie to the fore to push the nonsense that wind power is a good idea after nearly two decades of it being obvious in the real world that it can never work only pushes the West ever further behind the real first world countries of the far east.
I recently took early retirement simply because I was not willing to keep on participating in this lie being foisted upon the people of the world that wind power is in any way actually renewable. Electricity prices are being designed to rise not fall and anyone supporting that is supporting fuel poverty for the poor and "the poor" are increasingly coming to a street near you if this continues as more and more people are dragged into planned debt.
Thanks for your frank post. I agree with you, I work in utilities engineering. I find it interesting how little most understand about the fundamentals of the electricity grid. It’s annoying that they present shows with ‘experts’ and then back up their claims with anecdotes.
There is a huge amount of investor cash flowing into wind power. Is someone who works in the industry going to spill the beans and tell the truth, even if they are aware of it (they probably aren’t)
The only people who can speak their minds are either retired (like you), or in a tiny minority (like me) who actually say what they think. Everyone else toes the line for fear of being called a Climate Denier.
The science is never settled, and no amount of wishful thinking will make this work. It’s a boondoggle, shortly to meet its end when people wake up to the reality of an expensive, unreliable electricity grid.
And yes, demand side response is an unreliable grid. Just because they incentivise behaviour to fit in around the blowing of the wind, doesn’t mean they aren’t inconveniencing your life.
And no, I will not install a smart meter. My life is busy enough as it is to have to deal with another factor. I will cook my supper when it suits ME, not when it suits the electrical grid.
Like a lot of things nowadays taken over by the blob, the cart is before the horse.
People serve politicians instead of politicians serving the people, people serve the grid instead of the grid serving the people.
FUBAR
Relying on others peoples data, my apologies, the sources were from Great Britain. Recent green energy projects always promise lower electricity costs, but in every case the end result in much higher cost, sometimes double.
Doesn’t matter about the space we have here in Aus, you will have to ask the indigenous folk now if you can put your windmills etc there.
Rosie Barnes' last comment. The rest of Australia will experience energy bill increase next year, except Canberra. Why? Because their supply is fully renewable. OMG. This didn't happen overnight.
While Scotty was in Parliament with his dirty lump of coal the local utilities were going fully renewable. I hate to say it but we the citizens of Australia have been right royally screwed over by a liberal government. A government which was charged with looking after our best interests but instead looked after the interests of the HC industry and their own pockets.
A pox on anybody in Scotty's and earlier liberal governments.
I have changed from being a liberal voter to being labor voter, having been betrayed by those politicians who I put my faith in and voted for. May you rot in your own hell for the sin of your dishonesty.
At least you have the opportunity, seemingly the political will and certainly the resources to catch up?
Enjoyed that. Stopped listening to the previous one, as he was talking over the guest too much, did my head in.
Different subject, mostly in EV and chargers on the internet. I'll check out her channel.
I've not watched the video yet, but just reading the video title.
And, well, the fact that 100% renewable energy is inevitable is right there in the very name "renewables" itself.
Renewables renew. They don't run out.
Whereas, non-renewables don't renew. They run out.
And, eventually, the things that can run out will run out, while the things that can't run out, don't. And, basically, one day, all that's left remaining are the renewables.
In that sense, it's only an illusion to imagine that any of us have a choice in the long term. You can love oil and coal and gas all you like, but eventually it'll all run out and you just won't have those options anymore. Because when you burn those fuels, they're gone for good.
And, by all estimates, we've only got a few decades left for oil. Natural gas won't be far behind, and coal might reach a century.
But the thing with those estimates is that they are "at current usage rates" and our usage rates historically keep going up. So they're drawing a line on the graph to guess at the "death date" for these fuels, whereas it will, in reality, be a curve.
But the big one is that, well, imagine that there's only a single barrel of oil left on the entire planet. How much do you think it would cost to buy the last remaining barrel of oil in existence?
Truth is, it's priceless. As Indiana Jones would rightly say: "It belongs in a museum" and it'd be almost blasphemous for someone to buy that and burn it.
So what I'm getting at is that, as these fuels run out, they'll keep getting more and more expensive. At an exponential rate. As they are riding that curve towards pricelessness at their very end.
Thanks to Putin's war, we've seen how economically devastating that could be. There's a "cost of living crisis" and natural gas prices have shot through the roof - and thanks to slightly stupid marginal supply rules, electricity prices have massively shot up, because we all get charged by the most expensive source, which is gas right now.
Economically, it's this bad. And it's only the cutting back of one supplier - not even the full loss, because even the EU is still forced to buy some Russian oil and gas. So imagine how economically apocalyptic it'd be to permanently lose not just one supplier but, one by one, every single supplier of fossil fuels.
So when we say that oil or gas or coal has so many decades left, that's until the fuel's extinction. Your ability to afford it - for anyone to afford it - will die far more quickly.
And, again, as gas and oil prices double, then triple, and keep rising, it becomes inevitable that you will have to step off the merry-go-round.
You just won't be able to economically afford anything else. And, truth is, you should be stepping off that merry-go-round now, because it can only get more painful from here on in.
While, on the other hand, renewables are already the cheapest form of energy. They'll get cheaper, as economies of scale kick in and technologies matures. And - in the current climate, this might be most significant - they're economically stable. They only depend on the Sun continuing to rise and set (or, for tidal / wave, that the Moon continues to exist), which are amongst the safest bets you could ever make (plus, if either of those things ceased to be true, then we're screwed and worrying about how to power your shower and toaster will be the least of your concerns).
Therefore, as I say, the inevitability of 100% renewables is guaranteed. It's only a temporary "illusion of choice". Soon enough, that choice will be taken from you by the depletion of fossil fuels - there won't be any left for you to choose - and, well before that "final day" of oil and gas and coal, their prices are going to go exponential.
Putin has unintentionally given us a "sneak peek" - a preview - of how economically destructive that's going to be. Because the West giving up just one supplier - in Russia - and not even doing a terribly good job of it, as even the EU is still buying some Russian oil and gas, despite not wanting to, for a lack of having the capacity to just completely drop Russian supply altogether overnight.
Putin "playing with the gas taps" can do this to the world economy. So imagine what, say, Venezuela reporting "sorry, no more oil left" - the permanent loss of suppliers - would do. And then, say, Iran reports "sorry, no more left" shortly after them. And the dominoes all fall one by one. Imagine how economically catastrophic each permanent loss of supply would be individually, and then realise that they'd come at us, one after the other. Until, eventually, all suppliers report "no more oil left".
And please note that, in this argument, I've only utilised nothing more than basic arithmetic. And, economically, it's no more than "supply vs. demand" - the supply is going down and the demand is going up, so the price can only increase, at an increasingly exponential rate (this won't just get worse, it'll start getting worse, faster and faster).
I've not mentioned - because I really don't have to - anything to do with climate change here. But, for the record, that is a thing and it has its own set of catastrophic problems to pile on top of the basic arithmetic I've covered (not "instead of", but "in addition to").
Finite things run out, and the cost of finite things, as they run out, gets exponentially more expensive. These two "basic arithmetic" facts are all you need to know to realise that 100% renewables are inevitable - and the only way to avoid a world full of economic pain like humanity's never seen before.
Indeed - apologies to Greta Thunberg and David Attenborough, as I do like and agree with those guys - but the emphasis on climate change has sometimes been unhelpful.
It's a nebulous abstract concept, seemingly in the future, that a lot of human beings just can't mentally get a grip on to feel the urgency. It's too intellectual a concept to trigger the average person's emotional alarm bells. You can intellectually think "yes, I see how that could be a problem", but it doesn't naturally trigger people's "oh shit" panic instincts. Their emotional response. Which is what you need to actually panic people enough to get off their arses and do something about it.
Whereas, we all pay bills. We're all, right now, feeling very much poorer - doubly so in Europe, but the whole world economy is feeling it, to some degree - and we're having to act immediately, by turning down the heating (or not turning it on at all) and using as little as we can, because there's nothing "abstract" or "remote" about the electricity and gas bills landing on your door mat.
If we'd had someone like Greta, but who'd been making the ECONOMIC case for the past few decades, then we'd be in much better shape right now. No offence, Greta. Love you. But even you must concede the point. Hit people in the wallet, and you get an instant reaction out of them.
If there's any upsides to Putin's pointless war, then it's that he's given us this "sneak preview" of the economic damage that will be wrought, if we cling onto fossil fuels, as the suppliers die off one by one.
If the (slightly half-arsed) voluntary loss of one supplier - and only to the West, as China and India keep buying Russian oil and gas, no problem - can cause this much economic destruction, then imagine the wave after wave of apocalyptic disaster that would come from riding this roller-coaster to its inevitable conclusion, where suppliers, one by one, start reporting PERMANENT LOSS. That they're gone and are never coming back.
It will wipe out whole economies. I don't just mean the usual depression or recession there, but actually causing total economic collapse. Whole currencies ceasing to exist.
We cannot ride this roller-coaster to the end, as the tracks are leading to a very big solid brick wall and we're going to slam into that at 1000mph.
Step off the ride now. You have been forewarned.
Er, you've made the schoolboy/girl error of saying way WAY too much here!
Everyone stopped reading about 10% of the way through your magnum opus!!
You have to keep the audience's attention!!
Less is almost always more.......!
The only "inevitability" is fossil fuel production is declining. Thus we will need something. The question is WHAT - that WHAT cannot be Solar nor Wind. These are demonstratable farces. The fail point is battery storage. The largest storage battery in the world was just built in the UK Cost 400 million for 400 Megawatts- it could only sustain the current electrical demand in the UK 11 seconds. You'd need 1500 such giant batteries to maintain power at night; not to mention dark winter days. Unfortunately you need to triple that to move fossil to electric - so you need 4500 such storage sites; at a cost of 400 Million each - is roughly 25 Trillion dollars. Does that Strike you as real even at 10 Trillion? The entire UK economy is only 3.1 trillion - don't forget this is just the storage; not the wind mills and the solar farms. TOTAL CRAP.
IMO, Too much on 'the positives' without addressing the negatives that come with the positives. Ex. at around 37 minutes, Robert speaks about decreasing usage of power at times when less energy is produced. OK, quite sensible, but that would also greatly increase the usage in a smaller time frame - which is also the time frame that industry is using the most power. Can the Grids handle that? Additionally, I heard no mention of dangers to wildlife. Birds are smashed by wind turbines and fried by solar. Considering the increased units of these sources, there would also be an increase in wildlife deaths/injuries. What about waste? Parts for Green energy don't last forever and are surely not made of biodegradable materials. Just a sample.
There is very few problems that science and engineering cannot solve for all of humanity today. The only reason we are not solving all the issues is this archaic social model that insists that we must pay to live on this rock in space. Its not a lack of science, technology, resources or manpower.
Can you scream you don’t understand economics louder?
@@kokofan50 I got news for you. Economics? Has NOTHING to do with science. Science is based upon the observation of nature. Economics is based in speculation. Sociology, Biology, Psychology, Anthropology, Archeology, Medicine and even physics disprove your precious voodoo economic theories.
@@davefroman4700 Economics is the science of the distribution of resources through society.
@@kokofan50 No its a ponzi scheme to extract as much value as possible by making access to resources scarce. We already produce enough food on this planet to support 10 billion people but throw 1/2 of its away every day with over supply of lucrative markets. And an estimated 70% of all manufactured goods land in the trash within 24 months. Sooooo efficient. By scientific scales of performance? Consumer capitalism is the LEAST efficient system of resource management that the human species has created in history. Our nature was always from thrift and conservation of resources BEFORE mass media advertising started manipulating human behavior btw. And over $300 billion was spent in the US alone last year trying to convince people to buy more soon to be trash. Infinite growth is NOT sustainable on a planet that has a FINITE amount of resources. You cannot change the laws of PHYSICS!
@@davefroman4700 you really need to dictionary because you conflated a bunch of words into a giant mess.
For more exciting technology development see oil and gas. Engineers have moved out of oil and gas because there are fewer jobs in oil and gas.
There's just never a great outcome when you have two allies talking like it's coffee time. We need actual scrutiny to know what is what. What is the intermittency storage required? Do we have it? Australia is one country, what about the rest of the world? If turbines are hard to recycle, then what is the endgame? Are carbon inputs still relied upon to produce the machinery itself? How are turbines and solar going to deal with the extreme weather conditions in certain regions since a regrettable amount of climate change is already baked in and therefore extreme weather volatility and hurricanes are baked in? Especially provided that AMOC is collapsing, how will Britain handle energy transition?
The major issue stoping onshore wind in the UK is that the local population have no direct interest or benefit. They even have no indirect interest as Uk wind energy, onshore or offshore, is just as expensive to the consumer as gas.
That is a policy problem. If you let energy companies charge fosil rates for renewables they will obviously do it. Billions in extra profit for free.
All the utilities in the UK are European owned & those companies are milking the UK consumer dry.
The government are to blame, as usual for privatising the UK energy industries & then allowing foreign companies to buy/supply the UK, overcharge & then not mandate or legally enforce a quick enough transition to Solar. No doubt UK consumer money has gone into funding RE in Germany & nuclear in France, both of who's energy price increases are a fraction of what UK customers are paying!!
100% alternative energy is real and a necessity. Global fossil fuels supply 84% of global energy but are near permanent supply decline. How much energy can be supplied but alternative sources once fossil fuels are depleted is another question to be answered?
The great renewable con
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