How come? I mean how can ANY rr (negative or positive) on its own be good or bad? Without an edge in the market in the long run you would break even no matter the rr (without commissions and spreads)
Also another key is to stick to one pair for that consistency. When flipping a coin to determine an outcome you don't flip 5 coins of different weights and denominations at the same time, you flip one coin.
@@overnightforex I'm not a math major so I might be wrong in the long term. I thought about probability and it's duality and this is how I got to my conclusion. In relation to a coin toss 1:1 can represent a coin that's weighted evenly on both sides. With 1:2 the weight doubles on one side of the coin and so on... So the win rate fluctuates with the increase of weight on this imaginary coin. But I'm sure much much smarter people than me have thought about this and there's some flaw in my logic I don't know.
I’ve been thinking about applying this idea . It sounds unorthodox but the conventional R:R advice hasn’t been working for real. Too many times am I knocked out of a trade just to watch it finally go in my direction. I think you summed it up perfect when you said we are/were essentially placing our SL in a place that’s easy to hit and a TP that’s harder to hit . Most of the times that SL isn’t even in a place that invalidates our original trade idea, it’s just an arbitrary price level based on the regular R:R method. Good video bro
Bruh I swear to god I immediately became profitable after using a negative risk to reward ratio of 1:0.5 . I was struggling for 5 years until I realized that we can't really predict where price moves and instead we can take advantage of small movements. We have been convinced to use "good" risk to reward ratios because the brokers just want us to lose! This is a secret that nobody talks about.
27 trades is not a big sample to make assumptions. Of course with a negative RR your winrate will be a lot higher. In fact, for 0.2 RR, for breakeven you need 83% winrate
i use negative rr, or well i really just dont use rr. i risk what i know to risk, and cut profits at a reasonable level. you cant reasonably predict the market to keep moving up, so for me, i pull out from analysing the data. for example, trend is bullish with high volume, then i see a bit of pull back followed by slow volume so i cut. it may go up and sometimes im right and it reverses, but it doesnt matter. thats proper risk management.
i just passed phase 1 i was in -8% drawdown for 1month and half with high rr system and then i changed with negative rr system i passed challenge in 2 weeks its so crazy
@@haruki8782 the negative RR has more consistency with the win rate. High RR win rate fluctuates a lot more Would Small consistent wins or inconsistent big wins get you further in the long run?
I feel the same, but the moment I switch back to a positive ratio, I start losing money again 😂 When I use a negative ratio, my equity curve goes straight back in the right direction.
Have you had any trades where price just sits in drawdown for a few days? Do you have a scale out plan? Because say for example price is sitting doing side ways action in drawdown for a few days or a week whatever eventually your 0.2 win won’t cover the cost of commission
So far I haven’t had that happen. The TP is so small that it usually gets hit within a couple hours But if it did sit in drawdown for days then yes. Commission would be too much
@@overnightforex Yes i do negative RR , i really love win a lot of time , my mind is really happy with that big winrate and still making money so why not lol
Do you think the reason beginner traders are so profitable in the beginning is because of negative rr? they get in the green for a few points and boom close. if only they wouldnt over leverage after getting that confidence they would be profitable .
@@LaraaFoo I see what you’re saying but I’ve never seen a beginner trader only use negative RR for a long period of time. If they did and didn’t over leverage I think they’d have a much better chance at succeeding
Those are screenshot anyone can do. You have no receipts to verify yourself, therefore your a another bluff with signals. Real receipts is how much you making per trade with the screen shot of that + verified broker and live account.
@@neladarvish Its impossible to fake live callouts for years on a telegram chat You have no idea what you’re talking about. Go take my trades and make some money so you stop hating in my comments
search DON VO on youtube hit 1 mil with negative rr, i know some of propfirm trader that use negative rr and they r fckin consistent more than ur fake gurus who got money from selling courses
Going to backtest from the start of the year again with negative RR. Keep up the work I’m glad you were recommended. You’re a real one in this scene.
Appreciate you bro. Comment back and let me know how it goes!
How did the strat do
They never come back lol
Negative R:R for the win! Trading is a math game, and we cracked it 👍
@@dee23gaming yessir 📈
How come? I mean how can ANY rr (negative or positive) on its own be good or bad? Without an edge in the market in the long run you would break even no matter the rr (without commissions and spreads)
@@lellel3767 Because the important things are both RR and Win Ratio. Talking about RR is not the only thing to consider.
This is the hidden key to cracking the market summed up 🤝🏻
@@chronicle1999 appreciate you man!
Also another key is to stick to one pair for that consistency. When flipping a coin to determine an outcome you don't flip 5 coins of different weights and denominations at the same time, you flip one coin.
@@OfoeNelson I swing trade so I cant trade just one pair. But if that worked for you man that’s great
@@overnightforex I'm not a math major so I might be wrong in the long term. I thought about probability and it's duality and this is how I got to my conclusion. In relation to a coin toss 1:1 can represent a coin that's weighted evenly on both sides. With 1:2 the weight doubles on one side of the coin and so on... So the win rate fluctuates with the increase of weight on this imaginary coin. But I'm sure much much smarter people than me have thought about this and there's some flaw in my logic I don't know.
I’ve been thinking about applying this idea . It sounds unorthodox but the conventional R:R advice hasn’t been working for real. Too many times am I knocked out of a trade just to watch it finally go in my direction. I think you summed it up perfect when you said we are/were essentially placing our SL in a place that’s easy to hit and a TP that’s harder to hit . Most of the times that SL isn’t even in a place that invalidates our original trade idea, it’s just an arbitrary price level based on the regular R:R method. Good video bro
@@mikeberb appreciate the support bro. Let me know how it works out for you
Bruh I swear to god I immediately became profitable after using a negative risk to reward ratio of 1:0.5 . I was struggling for 5 years until I realized that we can't really predict where price moves and instead we can take advantage of small movements. We have been convinced to use "good" risk to reward ratios because the brokers just want us to lose! This is a secret that nobody talks about.
@@Bxasd that’s exactly right. I’m glad it’s working out for you man 📈
27 trades is not a big sample to make assumptions. Of course with a negative RR your winrate will be a lot higher. In fact, for 0.2 RR, for breakeven you need 83% winrate
that intro is dope
@@szlpharmacology1330 appreciate you bro 🫡
How is your prop firm challenge going using this negative RR?
So far so good. First trade I took was a loss so that set me back. But then I’ve had about 7 wins straight
i use negative rr, or well i really just dont use rr. i risk what i know to risk, and cut profits at a reasonable level. you cant reasonably predict the market to keep moving up, so for me, i pull out from analysing the data. for example, trend is bullish with high volume, then i see a bit of pull back followed by slow volume so i cut. it may go up and sometimes im right and it reverses, but it doesnt matter. thats proper risk management.
This video is not famous but is good
@@samuelgutierrez5565 appreciate it
Negative rrr accounts for volatility in correlation to the TP distance. Postive rrr does not
@@GanzyChannel facts📈
What's your favourite pair, mate?
I trade any forex pair honestly. Sticking to just one is kinda boring for me
A bad rsk to reward cannot just make you money but.more money😅
@@adedapogabriel3041 yessir
@@overnightforex❤
Totally true, my strategy on BTC has a negative RR ratio and a high winrate, and I am now profitable...
i just passed phase 1 i was in -8% drawdown for 1month and half with high rr system and then i changed with negative rr system i passed challenge in 2 weeks its so crazy
@@drnoh wow that’s incredible. What was your RR you were using before and then what was the RR you used to pass?
@@overnightforex i used 2rr system and then switch to 1:0.2 and then switched to 1:0.5 this is my sweet spot i think
@@drnoh nice man love to hear it 📈
Same. I was -5% drawdown in tff and passed the 2 phase challenge in one month then the day I passed tff shut down 💀
My man i ve been recently lowering my rrr from a high R style of trading, but my brain still cant understand how a negative rrr can make u profittable
@@haruki8782 the negative RR has more consistency with the win rate. High RR win rate fluctuates a lot more
Would Small consistent wins or inconsistent big wins get you further in the long run?
I feel the same, but the moment I switch back to a positive ratio, I start losing money again 😂
When I use a negative ratio, my equity curve goes straight back in the right direction.
@@dee23gaming the only way to go 📈📈
An insurance company risks 500,000 dollars to take 2,000 dollars from you.
negative RR works in real life, it works in trading too.
@@rg950 that makes sense when you put It that way bruh
You ever try it with stocks?
No sorry I’ve never traded anything but forex
Have you had any trades where price just sits in drawdown for a few days? Do you have a scale out plan? Because say for example price is sitting doing side ways action in drawdown for a few days or a week whatever eventually your 0.2 win won’t cover the cost of commission
So far I haven’t had that happen. The TP is so small that it usually gets hit within a couple hours
But if it did sit in drawdown for days then yes. Commission would be too much
@overnightforex yes I have been back testing and forward testing 0.25 and I’m seeing tp get smashed fast and often. Feel very good about it 👍🏽
@@Aylingfx so far what has been your win rate thru Backtesting?
@@overnightforex so far I have 90% win rate. As time goes on I think I can improve this too
@@overnightforex about 90% I haven’t done that much. I’m confident it’ll improve As I collect more data
thank you for your work and the truth
Yessir🫡
Do you also trade with negative RR? If so has your experience with them been better than higher RR
@@overnightforex Yes i do negative RR , i really love win a lot of time , my mind is really happy with that big winrate and still making money so why not lol
@@tony-w1g5s can I ask what your RR and win rate is?
@@overnightforex I do, on NQ -1.5:1R
It won’t let me reply to my comment lol. But I am getting a 91% win rate.
Do you use the same size stop on all of your trades? Or do you change it
I place my stops at the previous high or low so it changes a lot based on price action
91% win rate is amazing dude
@@overnightforexmakes sense mate! Is there a way we can chat more? I’d like to get to know you better 👍🏽
@@Aylingfx you can contact me on Instagran bruv. Instagram is baileymeetsworld__
@@overnightforex nice one mate. I’m in the process of back testing the 4H and the 10m just to see which is more profitable.
Do you think the reason beginner traders are so profitable in the beginning is because of negative rr? they get in the green for a few points and boom close. if only they wouldnt over leverage after getting that confidence they would be profitable .
@@LaraaFoo I see what you’re saying but I’ve never seen a beginner trader only use negative RR for a long period of time.
If they did and didn’t over leverage I think they’d have a much better chance at succeeding
got vids with receipts ? If you do will believe you
@@neladarvish go look at my telegram. There’s your receipts
Those are screenshot anyone can do. You have no receipts to verify yourself, therefore your a another bluff with signals. Real receipts is how much you making per trade with the screen shot of that + verified broker and live account.
@@neladarvish Its impossible to fake live callouts for years on a telegram chat
You have no idea what you’re talking about. Go take my trades and make some money so you stop hating in my comments
@@overnightforex call outs with no profits? 😂😂 You a joke , anyone can make call outs with a negative risk to reward ya chump
@@overnightforex your a demo trader who puts signals up with negative risk to reward targets which is dirt easy. Kids in school could do that 😂
hi sir can u make groupchat trader who use negative rr?
I have already I call my trades out here. t.me/ofxsignalss
How can this be proven when non of the greatest market wizards every succeeded with this type of risk reward process
I’m sure there’s traders out there who have had success trading like this. Don Vo is a very popular trader who takes negative RR trades live everyday
search DON VO on youtube hit 1 mil with negative rr, i know some of propfirm trader that use negative rr and they r fckin consistent more than ur fake gurus who got money from selling courses
search Don vo his hit 1 mil with negative rr
search Al brooks "actual risk"