Defence Changes & Future Reward Space | Project Rebalance
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- @coxieRS joins us as we discuss Part Two of Project Rebalance: Defence Changes! A beta is live right now if you're interested in testing the adjustments yourself!
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Genuinely think that most of the people claiming that this is "RS3 all over again" or "this is the worst combat update the game will ever see" simply dont understand what the changes are. This is good for the game and will help bring a LOT of underused or "dead content" weapons up to par without changing the BIS weapons that already exist
Yeah I think this will add more value to other weapons
People are so braindead.. smh
I’m a new player who was already using logical elements against things and was shocked to find it that, for some reason, all monsters had physical weapon type weakness and resistance but no elemental weakness or resistances. It’s literally a mechanic in the game for melee already being spread to range and magic, which makes a lot of sense
@@mimivrc4148 Welcome to Gielinor, brother
You're ignoring the biggest criticism. Most people don't want to make the game significantly more complicated at low-mid levels. People don't want to get punished for not having 3 different ranged weapons and knowing the exact weakness of every slayer monsters.
Future proofing the game is always a good idea
@@bduckett2522 get over it man
@@bduckett2522seek help
You must be a new player
@@willpitman4210 You must be so attached to Runescape lmfao.
@@willpitman4210get a life bro. This game has been around for over 25 years. Don’t like it? Grow up
"Tome* of fire easy to acquire", my 20m firemaming xp disagrees...
I got 2 tomes in 15 kc on my iron. Didn't realize how rare they are. Sorry bud.
Just buy it
@@cesarrangel546 Your mother dropping the tome of water made up for it. Every letter from her is a soaked page.
@@HeyItsMax buy that 2
Fellow Ironman with 20m fm and no tome feels my pain 🫡
Been a huge fan of this ever since it was announced. Anyone who thinks this is too complicated doesn't realize that the game secretly has always been this way, it's just getting more fleshed out. It's not like EoC and more like the jump from pokemon red/blue to gold/silver, where they split the SPECIAL stat into SPECIAL ATTACK and SPECIAL DEFENCE.
That is a GREAT way of putting it.
Well said. Too many people with room temp iq doom-saying it’s eoc all over again.
Go ahead and convince me
@@SanJo2MD
I don't think this going to complicate things or confuse new players due to the fact that what they are proposing is a simple version of the resistances and weaknesses you see in RPGs. It is one of the oldest tropes in video game mechanics, and in the update log they already outlined a possible way they can this information easily accessible to players and promised to minimise the need to check the wiki.
@@SanJo2MD Convince you on what? The defence changes? That's the video's job and I think it makes a pretty good case, especially the part starting at 4:00
Genuinely surprised at the volumes of people thinking this is the next "EoC", breathing life into the standard spellbook and giving more options to approach PvM without affecting power creep? Can't wait :)
People who think this looks like rs3 have not been on rs3. I tried to play that but it has millions of dumb skills in combat that make it play like wow. This is what people hated I imagine, not more existing content having a use by adding these logical separation of range and magic, like melee has already, that should have always been there
@@mimivrc4148that is one thing that people hated. People also hated that existing gear was altered in crazy ways that didn't make sense to people who had played RuneScape as their only MMO.
Because it is literally one of the things that came alongside EoC and it worked out so well for RS3 they're now moving away from it.
Secondly your question is so condenscending it only shows how biased you are. Most people I talk to have their minds blown on how fun Shadow is to use. It's powercreep, it completely changes meta and yet it's the most fun we have in this game.
You go enjoy yourself grinding harmo staff so you can water surge red dragons while we play actual strats.
@@janitorizamped As someone that plays both games and continued playing RS3 in the immediate aftermath of EOC I have never heard any sizeable group complain about style weaknesses. It was always the action combat and/or the lack of options to afk combat after the changes.
Luv u big boi
I was literally just thinking how the combat could be more dynamic without losing any oldschool elements. Looks dope
@@bduckett2522Do you have any original additions to the conversation, or are you just going to say the same thing on every comment because you're salty for no apparent reason?
This is a nice update, more weapon will finally be used and the game will feel more immersive
@@bduckett2522Brother you are all over this comment section crying about coxie. What’s sadder? Coxie using ahk to clean herbs? Or you genuinely tweaking about Coxie using an ahk to clean herbs? Touch grass.
This is gonna be so good for the game if implemented correctly. It’ll open up brand new reward spaces for raids and bosses, incentivize a more diverse roster of weapons and gear.
"if implemented correctly"
Jagex is incapable of that.
I always wondered why there were different elemental spells but no benefits to them so glad to see elemental weaknesses being added
It was thematic initially. They were before rune was a thing if I remember, and had such high damage to compensate for super high costs.
nothing is weak to air spells MAKE AIR SPELLS GREAT AGAIN
Surely dust and smoke devils should have a small lweakness to air 😂
There are no air benders anymore. The avatar has been missing for 100 years
Coxie lives in your head rent free@@bduckett2522
Air spells could be useful on air creatures? Counter intuitive, maybe, but like imagine flying in a tornado
I mean in a way they are buffed now to be as strong as fire spells used to be!
Amazing to see you guys partnering with Coxie again - he was fantastic on the leagues video and I'd love to see him back more
He just needs to change his name so we can take him serious
Doing great!
Very professionally done. Great job Jagex and Coxie. Y'all are a great team haha! Looks amazing!!!!!
"a bright and logical future" for a game where logic = not having hotkeys cause it increases quality of life too much
Real talk
Or user macros; like every other MMO with decent QOL.
I want a hotkey that allows users to switch protection prayers
This looks and sounds great. It's adding a bit of realism into the game without change the BIS meta
Great video and glad you’re taking OSRS in this direction Jagex - should keep equipment load-outs more varied!
I like it. It’s nothing like EOC lol. It’s just balancing dead weapons and bringing more variety to the game experience
Spot on
That’s what noticing.. makes me wanna get back on and resume playing where I left off
0:42 that siluette... oh no
What is it
@@heyimnotmexican1 The murderer himself Durial321
the infamous Black titan
Any proof?
Don't think so. Just mindless screaming.
@@heyimnotmexican1 The left silhouette is the player involved in the "Falador Massacre" of ye olden days. Fun bit of Runescape lore worth reading about.
This is an evolution of combat without the shit. The game needs it. The only thing people hated with EoC were abilities, and were never getting those. Chill.
All this does is open up possibilities to revive dead content and that's always a plus
Well that and summoning going along with it…god summoning really was just “here’s an extra backpack”
Water spells should be more effective against Fire giants than fire spells. Give tome of water a use!
makes sense
Did you watch the video?
the biggest problen with the tome of water is that 20% damage and 20% accuracy is just straight up much worse than the 50% damage that the tome of fire gets
ya it should be like pokemon lol
yes, that's why it is getting changed@@jurgnobs1308
Strangest episode of Funny Feelings ever... In all seriousness these rebalance changes are super healthy for the game. Coxie and his team did a great job as well!
A creative and regenerative idea for OSRS and a glimpse at the incredible future this game may hold
The grouping of same-tier standard spells got me feeling all warm and tingly inside.
So we gonna get more bank space too for all the new niche BIS?
Best person possible to explain this update, Coxie is the guy for stuff like this! Should be player mod.
What if he doesn’t want to be?
Anyone comparing this to EoC has no idea what these changes really mean or what EoC actually was
anyone not understanding fundamentally changing the combat calculations for type weakness is an evolution of combat. has no idea what they are talking about.
It was literally past 1 of the evolution of combat beta.
@@straight2thepoint790that’s not what people refer to when they talk about EoC in RS3. EoC is mainly focused on the addition of the ability bar forcing a WoW-like combat system into a game built on its .6 second game cycles that always felt like it just didn’t mix for a lot of people. The Defence changes were secondary in most minds and if you asked people who dislike EoC what they think about the Defence changes as a separate change from the rest, it’s usually pretty positive
@straight2thepoint790 bruh you gotta check your brain
As an EoC beta tester, it was largely devs with no PR ability telling players to eat shit.
I argee with all this. Just makes the game alot more diverse and make since
i always though the weakness in runescape were strange, this makes things more intresting and logical.
as an og player that stopped when EOC came out, i love this. it could bring much needed variety into the current meta. just remember not to overdo it, i wanna keep playing this game
i feel like we can trust the process. everything will be voted on and the process will be streamed.
Stop bailing, then.
@@bduckett2522you’re miserable.
I absolutely love that they chose @coxieRS for this video. With his education in statistics, he is the perfect person to present info like this haha.
Im glad that yoyre looking at the standard spellbook, but one issue that isnt mentioned is the tick delay on autocasting.
Right now they’re talking the simple stuff, but good catch. Hopefully that gets fixed, maybe when wielding specific elemental staffs?
This update sounds amazing. I love that attention is being put to mid and lower level options with elemental spell changes. My only feedback would be to also take a look at the host of mostly useless weapon types (longsword, battleaxe, 2h sword, warhammer) that were nerfed with the weapon speed changes of RS2. This feels like the perfect time to reflect on ways to give them uses as the combat system as a whole gets tightened up, making for an even better/more varied early-midgame experience
An absolutely amazing and awe-inspiring feat of the OSRS team. Thank you for everything you all do for the game and keeping it alive and better than ever ❤
sounds awesome, good meaningful changes
hopefully this is the eoc runescape always needed. Fixing standard magic and defenses, without drastically changing monster levels, attack styles, armor and adding a dumb hotkey bar to add abilities like every other mmo
Runescape doesn’t need an eoc. Such a dumb mentality
@ovs4744 just let 3/4 of the spellbook rot as dead content? How is that good
@@eireyouok101 You get to level 40 defence in less than 3 hours letting 90% of gear in the game rot as dead content.
@@ovs4744 clearly you didn't watch the video properly or read the blog.
Every existing way you do pvm now will remain the same, this is just making magic better and making existing weaknesses better.
It's not reworking the entire system
@@Edzter so you didn’t watch the video or read the blog at all? Lol
Very informational video! Definitely like the new idea, getting ideas for the hcim I just started :)
These changes sound amazing. They will really refresh the game and ensure a more diverse way to play the game. Can't wait!
Actually good changes, hope to see this in game soon I always wondered why we had elemental spells when it didn't seem to matter what spell you used vs different elemental monsters. Excited to see how the meta evolves.
LOVE this, makes way more sense
This is great! I love the update! Great job Jagex mods!
This feels like trying to fix something that isn't broken. As a developer and a gamer, I just see this as an overly complex fix to a simple problem. Add damage weakness modifiers to beasts, that's it. I do not see the need for PKing to be impacted and with the range defense change, it almost certainly will.
There's no reason to be against these changes. They bring to life so much content and give so many mid/late game items actual purpose. They may not be amazing everywhere, but items will actually have proper niche's. It also allows for better leveraging of gear to break into a new tier. Fantastic and simple concept. Thank you osrs team
They are going to devalue bis items
I don't want to muck around with a spreadsheet doing slayer tasks. Oh wait what ammo should I bring. Do I need to buy the new inflamed superior turbo ropes for a singular type of npc next? It's ridiculous.
@@guusgeluk3693 yeah it’s not a good update it’s going to ruin the late game items by reducing the damage by 50% leave it how it is
Love a lil Coxie vidya! Positive comment
Cannot believe how good this change is. Possibly one of the best updates the game has seen in a while. Thanks devs, masterpiece!
This sounds like a great idea keen to see what else you muster up
Love the proposed changes, one thing I would suggest is the light ballista being in the light ranged split category to give it some use. If it stays in the heavy category with the heavy ballista surely the heavy ballista will outshine it, rendering it unused.
Light or medium yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Would love to see the ballistas get some pvm love
I thought the light ballista was always ment for pures to use and heavy ballista for mains. It is still a ballista and shoots javelins so I think renaming the items is easier, such that they still apply to the heavy ranged weakness.
I actually really want this, Slayer would become more technical which I enjoy.
Was a little nervous/confused at first but you explain the changes well and it makes sense. Looking forward to hearing more.
I would love to see these changes
Broo that osrs wiki damage calc is the best!
This is going to ruin my strategy of using the same weapon and/or spell on everything
@@bduckett2522you’re miserable.
someone needs a hobby@@bduckett2522
I am very much looking forward to these changes, open up that design/reward space!
This seems really good as at the moment the power creep in weapons without having billions of GP or atleast 500m in mainly the magic category is insane, as there’s no really good intermediate mage setup Cus if you ain’t in full ancestral + sang or tumeken you are in Ahrims with a trident and is quite literally the difference between double damage
This looks really good for the game! I'm excited! Is there an eta on when this will be released?
Great proposals all round
This is all so awesome, I really appreciate powered staves being knocked down a peg.
Love it. I would just add some monster weakness to wind spells, otherwise they remain useless.
awesome seeing our favorite pet hunter on the main osrs channel
Wow making ballista relevant ?
@@bduckett2522Brother he used an ahk herb cleaning script and it was like 5 years ago move on.
Amazing, maybe we will have to take into account the bank space if we are going to manage more and different type of weapons now! At least for Ironman it would be needed. Great job!
I’ve wanted this since I was a kid, so stoked!
Sounds like a nice update, keeping the meta relatively unchanged while adding more viable options if you don't have the "right" gear. would love to see more on it.
@@bduckett2522You’re miserable.
I like that this promotes spreading out your gear tabs instead of just tbow, scythe, and shadow. It's good to create more spaces for good gear. I don't need to whip every task. As long as we keep the attack speeds and tick system how they've been then I don't see how this makes the game any less Runescape.
I literally always thought in my head to use what things felt like they should have been weak to since I played as a 10 year old. It made the game more immersive, what else is the point of RS?
so to keep air spells from being too strong they made it so people won't use air spells
pretty cool
Exactly what EOC should have been from the start! Great direction!!
Are you kidding it’s going to ruin the best in slot
@@TonyDAnnunzio if you took 5 minutes to try and understand the video you’d know exactly how your argument is flawed 🤣
@@Greenpaw555 the Bowfa and tbow are going to hit 50% less and you think that is a good thing explain
@@TonyDAnnunzio No they are not. Stop lying already.
This is great
air spell should benefit on sand creatures, its logical that wind scatter sand
🤔 True.
Having the fewest monsters with weakness to it is still balance
its funky how people said this was EoC2 when specs are still in the game. this was a good update btw. nice to have a use for maul.
Incredible update, and well done video. I don't know Coxie but he made it very clear. High fives all around, looking forward to see these changes live.
@@bduckett2522you’re miserable.
@@bduckett2522 LOL, I love finding you in these comments. Cute little man trying to be relevant
It's time to admit the old system is antiquated and needs an update that makes so many things make sense good job!
who the hell is passing out the koolaid
This is how you keep a game alive!
@@bduckett2522you’re miserable.
@@bduckett2522 who hurt you, buddy?
It's always needed this, way more immersive! Love it
This was an awesome video. Thanks! Well thought out.
Always great to see a new osrs youtube legend starring in every video.
This sounds like the best way to bring combat up to contemporary standards by introducing more variety in terms of damage output while avoiding power creep. If you can't move UP in terms of damage, you have to create a way to widen OUT the variety of gameplay and this is the path forward to do so in terms of combat.
Im actually very excited for this rebalance. This is also the best video I have seen on the topic and its explained extremely well here.
Great, now my UIM bag/inventory space will be overrun with random weapons that are BIS in random places. Awesome.
oh hell yeah I love brining 3 different types of arrows and 3 different types of ranged weapons for slayer tasks what a cool update.
oh nooo, now how will the other 10 people who play uim get by?? (just kidding) they have to cater to the masses though, not the niche groups.
@frankgarcia6035 I don't even understand why this is an issue for normal accounts? Just go flip at GE for a week or two, get 300 mil and buy whatever BiS you need?
Other MMOs: You have to time your debuff with the guild's passive that was prebuffed before the fight and also time it with the supports accuracy spell. after you then stack 5 runes ontop the enemy you detonate on the [...]
Playerbase: *yeah thats reasonable*
OSRS: Monster is weak to crush, I use the crush attack style
Playerbase: *That makes the game way to complicated! and ruins the Mid-Game!*
Honestly, this is AWESOME! This might be the most interesting update in a long time. I love the care and balancing you guys had. You taking really good care and it's noted.
I love it! Had to take a break to for some work projects. Can’t wait to get back to OSRS.
Its a necessary update. Everything is pushing BiS lvl 80-85. We are running out of new reward spaces.
Ngl, sounded like EOC but after the adamant dragon example, I'm all for it!
TLDR: Current bonuses aren't changing at all just allowing more items to also be viable sums up this update.
thx for the explication, Coxie
Way to go OSRS Wiki for the damage calculator for new patch BEFORE IT COMES OUT! Being the best community support you could ask for!
All good changes, as others have mentioned light ballista being in med/light instead of heavy would be amazing so that it isnt just a worse heavy ballista.
Only other thing is to not take it too far? Im not gonna cry EoC and i think this is a good idea, but i do think a healthy amount of caution is warranted. As long as its just good changes like making more content better to do, breathing some life into the game instead of changing it entirely like night and day.
Can’t wait this is sick
This sounds like a lot of fun and I’d be very keen to see these implemented into osrs to expand the games capabilities even further 👌
the feedback seems pretty positive around this change. glad to see this game look to the future BEFORE intense power creep ruined all low and mid level combat scenarios. i can imagine a future where wearing full max strength would let you 3 tap bosses like sarachnis
Giving elemental weaknesses more impact is nice, but these changes will just make it a game of "match the color," where the color itself is entirely irrelevant. Before, they at least had the separate identities of different max hits. To truly give the different elements identity, they should each have unique effects, like fire having a burn chance, earth having a chance to briefly stun or bind, water decreasing the enemy's damage, air being able to push you back... Similar to the ancient spells.
I’d say that could be on “elemental mage gear”. Gear that buffs elemental types. Like how south of Falador you had fire air earth and water mages. Like that, but with added effects.
Quite literally "match the color" has been done in all 3 raids. Quite frankly it's annoying outside of Raids, but oh well. Everything passes polls ever since the 70%+hidden votes change. They could add EOC and people would shove money into the fire with a smile on their faces praising Jagex.
I agree, this would have been a better direction to explore. I just hope they break all of these ideas out in the poll, because I'm heavily against some things but think some of their suggestions are good.
Am genuinely excited for this update and how it will expand the reward space for ranged and mage gear in future content.
Excited for this update! Love having more options for damage and making unused items and spells, especially in the mid game, viable.
Changes like this are actually huge for the future, im very excited for these "Project Rebalance" Changes throughout the game for 2024.
OSRS this year and hopefully onto 2025 is about to be so hype with updates like this on the horizon.
EDIT: Imo I really do love shit like this, huge W for spells and future range/mage gear
Melee is already pretty good as it has 3 "styles" enemies can be weak to , and i.e items and gear can be made for stab/slash/crush
VS Range and Mage, until these changes, were only just either weak to range or weak to mage (as stated in this vid, some mobs were invisibly weak to certain spells, but by just a double damage) And it was gg, they had no styles or weaknesses like Melee has with stab/slash/crush DEF/ATT bonuses.
This allows for more specific mage/range upgrades, increasing only Light/Med/Heavy ammo accuracy/damage, and Mage upgrades can now include more Spell specifics for certain niche situations/Boss encounters/Skilling. (as i believe in specific Skilling gear/spells usefulness for Skilling as well is quite on the WEAKER side at this moment in time for OSRS, this opens room for maybe items in the future that buff Skilling in diff ways via more Rewards or XP, etc)
This update will be the huge PvM meta shift we NEED before any new prayers or items come into the game (even if and when they do, this update will allow more room and leeway for those prayers/items/systems) and updates like this are first and for most important for the future foundation!
Gotta love the RuneScape fundamentalists that complain about literally every combat change regardless of how good it is. All of these changes seem pretty great to add more variance in weapon and style use.
They’ll complain, and then they’ll abuse it and whine if it gets changed. See blowpipe. I knew so many who hated it initially, then for what…two years were against any change once they got theirs.
I like the idea of opening up the variety of weaponry that has effectiveness! It adds to the open-ness of the world, and makes the combat triangle more of a combat there-dimensional triangular prism!
This would be a true evolution of combat! I've always thought it was silly how you could just sling fire spells are fire giants like nbd. Looking forward to these changes!
I'm down for this (I haven't even finished the video)
I agree (I haven't even started the video)
I'm a 10year verteran and i don't think the game has ever been in a better state. Another great update, cheers osrs team. The game is going from strength to strength.
These updates scared the shit out of me, but this video changed my mind 100%
nice. I like the changes a lot. really makes the game fresh with a lot of variety. good job osrs team :)
This elemental aspect also can change the game with new weapons, where they could potentially have elemental aspects to them. Which is neat.
I saw this as the implicit direction of the new sunlight/moonlight crossbow bolts and I'm really happy to see it being implemented more broadly. Like imagine being able to imbue existing weapons to do elemental damage at the expense of a raw damage output debuff?
I think that would be really cool too. The idea was posted many years ago as well as players having an elemental affinity as well. Hope to see it come true.
Love thia idea, we already have monsters weak to crush, stab etc so it only makes sense to include magic weaknesses too and each spell is useful, rather a stepping stone to using your best fire spell unlocked.
Im wary about the ranged option but i do conpletely get it. Would mean that we get more BIS ranged gear other than a twisted bow, handcannon anyone for BiS heavy ranged option?!
I just wouldnt want to see gear having a % reduction of cetain spells because it would make things so confusing personally.
Having gear sets give a 15% reducion to earth spells and 65% reduction to fire spells, would be far too confusing. Id be happy just keep it at weapons for now.