I use the baby brother at my home and we are also using one at work now with both running Untangle. It's the 5018D-FN8T with 2xSFP+ ports with the rest being 1Gbe.
damnit I literally just wasted 4 hours searching for a suitable 1u firewall for a new project and finally settled on this SKU. Literally 1 day later you release a video on it, should have procrastinated and saved myself some time, lol
These have been a topic for the past month or so on our forums forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/5019d-fn8tp-x11sdv-4c-tp8f-new-in-box-500.33884/ That is what prompted the video
I ordered two of these for my home lab after your last review. They charged 20$ to assemble it and test. So we’ll worth it. It took about 30days to get them. So far they are running great.
I've always struggled with the pricing of this generations xeon-D, it seemed like the last holdout from intel for gouging us on pricing - looking forward to hopefully seeing the results of market competition in this space too someday!
I've been quite happy with the older X10 generation of this server/chassis with a 35W TDP quad core SoC. Keeps on truckin. Added a couple 40G ports to it for good measure, plus noctua fans and a airflow guide. With the fairly weak noctuas you cannot change up the airflow direction though, fresh air has to go over the sfp+ ports or things will get hottt.
Hey, I have the previous revision of this with 6x 1GbE and 2x SFP+ and use it as my PFSense box! I loaded it with 32GB and a 512GB SSD for a super overkill firewall!
I always liked the Supermicro offerings, and have been using their motherboards and cases for custom built firewall and other network security use servers.
Glad I found your channel. I've been break fixing Dell, HPE, IBM/Lenovo, Cisco, Juniper, EMC, PUREStorage, Quantum branded Servers, network devices & storage devices for large corporate environment in Data centres about 7 years. Even I'm learning lot of new things from you 🙂.
After the last review on this motherboard I dug up this rack mount model and picked up a 4 core model for under $500. Working on configuring PFSense and looking forward to a big upgrade from my Ubiquiti Edgerouter X in my homelab!
But then you couldn't buy it as a supermicro , we wanted to do a fail over with our 2 10gb from supermicro but could find it anywhere , went on Netgear and there it was just with another branding
I have a supermicro 314307-1U-X10SLH-N6-ST031 I would like to find a case like what you show that would fit it along with 2 2.5in hot swap bays also in the front along with the IO like this this case. And since this mother board is a little longer this case would be to short. need at least 17 to 19 inches in length so I can still add fans in the back to get rid of any heat. I know there are cases out there but man I have not yet found them found people making their own. For pFsense routers witch that is what I'm doing.
Depth 9.8" (249mm) / 18.3" (465mm) - pkg. So it is actually way shallower than stated in the video and article. I think Patrick just probably read the depth off the specs of the packaging, and not the unit itself :)
I have a similar one for one of my pfsense's, 4x1Gb+2x10Gb. Atom C3558/16GB ram. Instead of having a firewall with a ton of nic's I got myself a 48+4 port switch (48x1Gb + 4x10Gb) with vlan's. The other one (proxmox) have a little more memory + 4x120GB ssd's plus a small nvme for booting. Great for my home lab.
I have my 1U server functioning both as my Media server backup (several 8TB drives in RAID) running as one VM, as well as holding an extra NIC and hosting another Pfsense VM which operates as my always-on VPN. Picked up a dual xeon with hex cores and hyperthreading for super cheap (under $200) with a big gob of RAM (48GB worth) for a pretty good little home server. I think the drives were more than the rest of the hardware...
This is very Cool I Agree ! & yea im a Tech Enthusiast/Nerd & I Would Love To Play around with one But I Still Run PfSense On a Dell R210II with a Quad Core Xeon & 8Gb of Ecc and a 64gb ssd ! Like I Said Very Cool & I Still Want one ..lol.
This is off-topic, but any chance of researching some low-power - long runtime UPSes? I mean, for us folks at home, that don't have a datacenter with generator backup. Especially with the rising of remote work, having uninterrupted internet for your work-day laptop.... I currently have my fiber modem+APU2+POE switch+2 POE wifis running ~20W on an APC 750VA rackmount UPS, estimating 270-290mins (4h30m-4h50m). I probably could go longer, but even with this setup, the UPS sometimes measure 0W (and estimate 22h). For such a setup, of course, I would need more batteries, but I only found 1500VA UPSes have external battery connectors (APCs can use up to 6 extra batteries?). But those I would assume can't measure under 40W and are inefficient at low loads (if you check 2 UPSes which use the same battery, at 50W, the lower VA rated will have a few minutes higher runtime).
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks! That's fine with me. I just want to find out about low-power (10-50W, peak 100W) and long runtime (4-5+ hours). The only other thing I could find was an Eaton car battery UPS. But I'm not sure about keeping a car battery indoors.
You can consider a sealed Deep Cycle "car" battery style which is fine indoors, for the cheaper end. Then higher end is a 100ah Lithium battery like Ampere Time, Chins, Lossigy or Renogy, generally around $500ish. Then a pure Sine Wave inverter properly sized probably 300w-600w range depending on server size/use. Then a simple automatic battery charger. To make it simpler can get a Victron Inverter that has the inverter/charger all built in and completely customizable. Or get an older APC1500 or something and add the battery to it with some cable extensions.
yo, like $900 is the upper limit of my budget for a server. try showcasing something in the $200-400 range that fits more in my budget for non main server stuff.
ASPEED chips are amazing ngl ! just what it needs to be done properly ! looking forward a sff board with AST2600 just to see how ppl will tweak around A7 and M3 cores to diy some amazing compact network management rigs!
Has anyone found a 2U heatsink for this board? These are great boards for file servers I have 2 of them in 2U case like the CSE-216. They stay cool even with out an air shroud but a 2U heatsink would make it much better.
Hi Kevin - we did the AS-E301-9D-8CN4 before really starting to do videos (RUclips is still very small for STH, like single digit percentage of main site traffic): www.servethehome.com/supermicro-as-e301-9d-8cn4-review-embedded-epyc-appliance/ If you search for M11SDV we have done most of the motherboards and most of the EPYC 3000 series SKU reviews there as well.
I would argue the real AMD Epyc equivalent is the SUPERMICRO AS -5019D-FTN4. We just bought one as a PFsense firewall. Arguably it's a much faster CPU for less money.
Like the E301, we also reviewed that AMD system prior to doing many RUclips videos www.servethehome.com/supermicro-as-5019d-ftn4-review-a-1u-amd-epyc-3251-server/ That is a bit different with more CPU but less networking and expansion.
The table I want is on backorder. Plus so much construction in here right now. Eventually the TV wall in the back will be re-done and there will be a table. Also, the second set in the studio may be another table-based set. Just taking time to get everything up and running.
Question. Can you use the two 10G SFP ports at the same time as the copper 10G ports? What typically will happen is the adjacent copper port will shut down when you plug in a SFP.
The last time I was looking for RDIMM modules and PMR hard drives, I found that SuperMicro had really competitive prices. I'd say shop out complete ready for OS systems as well as bare bones units.
why the old one ? there is already a new model called SYS-1019D-4C-RAN13TP it got 9x 1gbit 4x sfp+ (there is also a 2x rj45 + 2xsfp+ version) and with 2x pcie x16 3.0 on the back that seems perfect for 2x100gbit
So, what would you use in this same rough form factor and with the same number and classes of network interfaces, but suitable for home use and with much quieter fans?
Here is an Arm server we recently did: ruclips.net/video/jESiMLQVNf4/видео.html On the more DPU-class/ or ones that will fit in this segment, we will have more in the next quarter or two. Working with NVIDIA, Intel, and Marvell to show off the new offerings in this class.
pfSense and sometimes other bits as well. The cost to go from 8GB to 16GB is usually much less than doing remote hands to upgrade RAM later so we usually go bigger. We also have these used as little caching servers in some spots
Is there any newer alternative with similar IO and package size? IT would need 4xGbE + 4xSPF+ (or two 10G Ports), Expansion slot and enough power for VPN+Firewalling scenarions. Plan to build a 10G capable router with that sizing.. The Xeon D option seems quite old and pricy.
Appreciate the vid, however I'm looking at this and the cost and wondering what is the use case for it. The deployments I've been involved with in the past have opted to go with vendor solutions like F5, Cisco etc.. where ( perhaps most importantly ) you can purchase service contracts that will allow the C levels to scream down at support when an outage occurs. I'm not sure for SOHO unless there is someone on staff nerdcore enough to snag one of these and plop their firewall vpn suite of choice on it, but aren't there cheaper options ? If you were into PF stuffs, wouldn't the netgate 6100 be cheaper and sufficient option as an example ? Also, curious now how units like this rate compared to older gen HPE / DELL 1u servers readily available on fleabay. How do the older gen xeons rate when it comes to this kind of application, what sort of instruction set advances make a difference in handling cryptos etc, what architectural changes might be responsible for improvements to overall latency, or whatever kind of valid metrics for this application. Diggin the vids, cheers.
Can you use this as a NAS and/or network switch or is it specifically used as a firewall? I see on the motherboard specs for the X11SDV-4C-TP8F includes a SoC controller for 12 SATA3 (6 Gbps) ports; RAID 0,1,5,10.
NICs are fine. The bigger challenge is having a pfSense setup that is running everything you want at 10G speeds especially if you are going a lot of filters, rules, and such
Supermicro never heard of PCIe risers (cables). Give the user the option to use those 2.5" cages OR a stand to add a pcie card. We're talking max $25 in manufacturing costs for a swappable bracket for either cages or card and a PCIe 3.0 x16 extension cable. Sincerly, disappointed.
this application is not really what Intel is targeting. It is more for embedded systems that require low SWaP but high performance. That's why it is not going to be competitively priced with their server processor options. The jump in performance from Xeon-D Broadwell to Icelake is pretty significant.
I use the baby brother at my home and we are also using one at work now with both running Untangle. It's the 5018D-FN8T with 2xSFP+ ports with the rest being 1Gbe.
damnit I literally just wasted 4 hours searching for a suitable 1u firewall for a new project and finally settled on this SKU. Literally 1 day later you release a video on it, should have procrastinated and saved myself some time, lol
These have been a topic for the past month or so on our forums forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/5019d-fn8tp-x11sdv-4c-tp8f-new-in-box-500.33884/ That is what prompted the video
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Google is becoming more useless. Read a ton of threads on Reddit and the Netgate forums. Thanks for the thread link
I ordered two of these for my home lab after your last review. They charged 20$ to assemble it and test. So we’ll worth it. It took about 30days to get them. So far they are running great.
I've always struggled with the pricing of this generations xeon-D, it seemed like the last holdout from intel for gouging us on pricing - looking forward to hopefully seeing the results of market competition in this space too someday!
to be fair it's way more performant than the previous generation.
I've been quite happy with the older X10 generation of this server/chassis with a 35W TDP quad core SoC. Keeps on truckin. Added a couple 40G ports to it for good measure, plus noctua fans and a airflow guide. With the fairly weak noctuas you cannot change up the airflow direction though, fresh air has to go over the sfp+ ports or things will get hottt.
Had the same problem actually and switched back to the louder generic fans… My HDD‘s got way to hot in my hot swap case. Which Noctuas do you use?
Hey, I have the previous revision of this with 6x 1GbE and 2x SFP+ and use it as my PFSense box! I loaded it with 32GB and a 512GB SSD for a super overkill firewall!
I was thinknig of doing this as well. What is the power consumption like?
mmmm Front mounted ports !! I just build this exact same Firewall to use with Opnsense & love it !
I always liked the Supermicro offerings, and have been using their motherboards and cases for custom built firewall and other network security use servers.
Your intro was solid. "the aptly named" long supermicro part number -- I laughed.
Glad I found your channel. I've been break fixing Dell, HPE, IBM/Lenovo, Cisco, Juniper, EMC, PUREStorage, Quantum branded Servers, network devices & storage devices for large corporate environment in Data centres about 7 years. Even I'm learning lot of new things from you 🙂.
Welcome! Hopefully that can continue. Have a great weekend.
I do love this set, feels like I'm hanging out with one of the techs backstage
I am still not happy with it. But we did run 288 fibers to the set already this week!
The 4-core option is such a good value, it's tempting even tho it's overkill for my firewall lol.
You seem like a man I could be a best friend with
Running a physical router like this would be awesome, actually this system would replace my whole VM host as it is right now!
After the last review on this motherboard I dug up this rack mount model and picked up a 4 core model for under $500. Working on configuring PFSense and looking forward to a big upgrade from my Ubiquiti Edgerouter X in my homelab!
what model did you get?
@@LeadasTwoKings SuperServer 5019D-FN8TP X11SDV-4C-TP8F. Hope that helps!
This is what I wish Netgate would have used for their newer pfsense boxes instead of the fossilized C3000s.
But then you couldn't buy it as a supermicro , we wanted to do a fail over with our 2 10gb from supermicro but could find it anywhere , went on Netgear and there it was just with another branding
I have a supermicro 314307-1U-X10SLH-N6-ST031 I would like to find a case like what you show that would fit it along with 2 2.5in hot swap bays also in the front along with the IO like this this case. And since this mother board is a little longer this case would be to short. need at least 17 to 19 inches in length so I can still add fans in the back to get rid of any heat. I know there are cases out there but man I have not yet found them found people making their own. For pFsense routers witch that is what I'm doing.
Depth 9.8" (249mm) / 18.3" (465mm) - pkg.
So it is actually way shallower than stated in the video and article. I think Patrick just probably read the depth off the specs of the packaging, and not the unit itself :)
I probably need to sleep more as well.
I have a similar one for one of my pfsense's, 4x1Gb+2x10Gb. Atom C3558/16GB ram.
Instead of having a firewall with a ton of nic's I got myself a 48+4 port switch (48x1Gb + 4x10Gb) with vlan's.
The other one (proxmox) have a little more memory + 4x120GB ssd's plus a small nvme for booting.
Great for my home lab.
5:30 maybe you can even add a time card to turn it into a master PTP clock
Have something much better inbound.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo oooooohhhh
I have my 1U server functioning both as my Media server backup (several 8TB drives in RAID) running as one VM, as well as holding an extra NIC and hosting another Pfsense VM which operates as my always-on VPN. Picked up a dual xeon with hex cores and hyperthreading for super cheap (under $200) with a big gob of RAM (48GB worth) for a pretty good little home server. I think the drives were more than the rest of the hardware...
looks exactly like the old Netgates. have one of those in my homelab
I do love this set
We deploy these in pair of two for gas stations.
Super cool!
you're gonna be jacked by christmas, if you're going to show all the servers like this =D
For a self builder, find the parts and cable managing account for 60% of the fun.
I'm going to compile a video patrick saying device model names
Ha!
This is very Cool I Agree ! & yea im a Tech Enthusiast/Nerd & I Would Love To Play around with one But I Still Run PfSense On a Dell R210II with a Quad Core Xeon & 8Gb of Ecc and a 64gb ssd ! Like I Said Very Cool & I Still Want one ..lol.
For us, what scares me more is running hardware that old and having a component fail.
This is off-topic, but any chance of researching some low-power - long runtime UPSes? I mean, for us folks at home, that don't have a datacenter with generator backup. Especially with the rising of remote work, having uninterrupted internet for your work-day laptop....
I currently have my fiber modem+APU2+POE switch+2 POE wifis running ~20W on an APC 750VA rackmount UPS, estimating 270-290mins (4h30m-4h50m). I probably could go longer, but even with this setup, the UPS sometimes measure 0W (and estimate 22h).
For such a setup, of course, I would need more batteries, but I only found 1500VA UPSes have external battery connectors (APCs can use up to 6 extra batteries?). But those I would assume can't measure under 40W and are inefficient at low loads (if you check 2 UPSes which use the same battery, at 50W, the lower VA rated will have a few minutes higher runtime).
Slowly we will be adding UPSes. Eaton unit is being tested now. It likely will be a main site only review though
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Thanks! That's fine with me. I just want to find out about low-power (10-50W, peak 100W) and long runtime (4-5+ hours). The only other thing I could find was an Eaton car battery UPS. But I'm not sure about keeping a car battery indoors.
You can consider a sealed Deep Cycle "car" battery style which is fine indoors, for the cheaper end. Then higher end is a 100ah Lithium battery like Ampere Time, Chins, Lossigy or Renogy, generally around $500ish. Then a pure Sine Wave inverter properly sized probably 300w-600w range depending on server size/use. Then a simple automatic battery charger. To make it simpler can get a Victron Inverter that has the inverter/charger all built in and completely customizable. Or get an older APC1500 or something and add the battery to it with some cable extensions.
I guess we all need the 12v only PSU solution and the world will be at peace, at least I will
Super mario server
yo, like $900 is the upper limit of my budget for a server. try showcasing something in the $200-400 range that fits more in my budget for non main server stuff.
You may want to check out the STH forums on these forums.servethehome.com/index.php?threads/5019d-fn8tp-x11sdv-4c-tp8f-new-in-box-500.33884/
ASPEED chips are amazing ngl ! just what it needs to be done properly ! looking forward a sff board with AST2600 just to see how ppl will tweak around A7 and M3 cores to diy some amazing compact network management rigs!
Has anyone found a 2U heatsink for this board? These are great boards for file servers I have 2 of them in 2U case like the CSE-216. They stay cool even with out an air shroud but a 2U heatsink would make it much better.
How about a look at its AMD Epyc equivalent (SuperMicro E301)?
Hi Kevin - we did the AS-E301-9D-8CN4 before really starting to do videos (RUclips is still very small for STH, like single digit percentage of main site traffic): www.servethehome.com/supermicro-as-e301-9d-8cn4-review-embedded-epyc-appliance/
If you search for M11SDV we have done most of the motherboards and most of the EPYC 3000 series SKU reviews there as well.
I would argue the real AMD Epyc equivalent is the SUPERMICRO AS -5019D-FTN4. We just bought one as a PFsense firewall.
Arguably it's a much faster CPU for less money.
Like the E301, we also reviewed that AMD system prior to doing many RUclips videos www.servethehome.com/supermicro-as-5019d-ftn4-review-a-1u-amd-epyc-3251-server/ That is a bit different with more CPU but less networking and expansion.
wish i had the money to buy this tool
What is with the 80s style server on the shoulder? Can we get a table or something ;)
The table I want is on backorder. Plus so much construction in here right now. Eventually the TV wall in the back will be re-done and there will be a table. Also, the second set in the studio may be another table-based set. Just taking time to get everything up and running.
Ha!
Question. Can you use the two 10G SFP ports at the same time as the copper 10G ports? What typically will happen is the adjacent copper port will shut down when you plug in a SFP.
That is what happens in some low end switches. These are independent NICs. If you look up the Lewisburg PCH you will see the quad 10GbE options.
I want to have a need for it
The last time I was looking for RDIMM modules and PMR hard drives, I found that SuperMicro had really competitive prices. I'd say shop out complete ready for OS systems as well as bare bones units.
why the old one ? there is already a new model called SYS-1019D-4C-RAN13TP it got 9x 1gbit 4x sfp+ (there is also a 2x rj45 + 2xsfp+ version) and with 2x pcie x16 3.0 on the back that seems perfect for 2x100gbit
Those are different models for different applications. The SYS-1019D-4C-RAN13TP is a higher-end model.
So, what would you use in this same rough form factor and with the same number and classes of network interfaces, but suitable for home use and with much quieter fans?
Put it in a 2U case, with 80mm fans, it will be really quieter.
You can do a lot with the Xeon E series or Atom C3000, especially if you go to something other than a 1U
Anyone managed to find a list with some compatible SFPs?
ARM based servers? Do you have experience with these? Or could you even present one?
Here is an Arm server we recently did: ruclips.net/video/jESiMLQVNf4/видео.html
On the more DPU-class/ or ones that will fit in this segment, we will have more in the next quarter or two. Working with NVIDIA, Intel, and Marvell to show off the new offerings in this class.
@@ServeTheHomeVideo thanks
Is there usually a need to have 10gb on your router/gateway if you don't have 10gb internet? Would you be using it to switch internal traffic?
What do you guys do with that much RAM in a firewall? Do you guys use PFSense?
pfSense and sometimes other bits as well. The cost to go from 8GB to 16GB is usually much less than doing remote hands to upgrade RAM later so we usually go bigger. We also have these used as little caching servers in some spots
@@ServeTheHomeVideo Gotcha the caching makes sense but I haven't gotten great results using squid and PFSense. Thanks for the clarification!
great
Is there any newer alternative with similar IO and package size? IT would need 4xGbE + 4xSPF+ (or two 10G Ports), Expansion slot and enough power for VPN+Firewalling scenarions. Plan to build a 10G capable router with that sizing.. The Xeon D option seems quite old and pricy.
am looking at the SYS-110P-FRDN2T currently... could you test it ?
We do not have one right now, but it does look cool so I can look into getting one to test.
$600 on ebay
Our Great Deals forum has a thread on these.
Does the SYS-5019A-FN5T have better networking and CPU? Is there something I'm missing?
Appreciate the vid, however I'm looking at this and the cost and wondering what is the use case for it. The deployments I've been involved with in the past have opted to go with vendor solutions like F5, Cisco etc.. where ( perhaps most importantly ) you can purchase service contracts that will allow the C levels to scream down at support when an outage occurs.
I'm not sure for SOHO unless there is someone on staff nerdcore enough to snag one of these and plop their firewall vpn suite of choice on it, but aren't there cheaper options ? If you were into PF stuffs, wouldn't the netgate 6100 be cheaper and sufficient option as an example ?
Also, curious now how units like this rate compared to older gen HPE / DELL 1u servers readily available on fleabay. How do the older gen xeons rate when it comes to this kind of application, what sort of instruction set advances make a difference in handling cryptos etc, what architectural changes might be responsible for improvements to overall latency, or whatever kind of valid metrics for this application.
Diggin the vids, cheers.
Netgate sells these Supermicros fully supported for their pfSense product.
No dual PSU, Norfolk and chance.
So what we usually do is install these in pairs and on different ATS PDUs if we have redundant power.
is this ment to be blaced in rack ?!?! what direction is the airflow then ?
Can you use this as a NAS and/or network switch or is it specifically used as a firewall? I see on the motherboard specs for the X11SDV-4C-TP8F includes a SoC controller for 12 SATA3 (6 Gbps) ports; RAID 0,1,5,10.
You can use this as a NAS, but limited internal storage in a short depth 1U
But will it route?
How is the 10g performance in pfsense?
NICs are fine. The bigger challenge is having a pfSense setup that is running everything you want at 10G speeds especially if you are going a lot of filters, rules, and such
Nice parrot! Arrr!
This this and this this this
I can't hear you over the 1U fans
I thought I was at the dentist!
Here I am dealing with godforsaken Cisco ASAs and sonicwalls... Fml
Still $1500 on Amazon...no big deal
can i test one please
Supermicro never heard of PCIe risers (cables).
Give the user the option to use those 2.5" cages OR a stand to add a pcie card. We're talking max $25 in manufacturing costs for a swappable bracket for either cages or card and a PCIe 3.0 x16 extension cable. Sincerly, disappointed.
Patrick, that new background is disturbing. You need a less "busy" one.
I would also like a table. Studio is still under construction. Hoping to show off the second set in there next week or the week after
Its not the background whats disturbing, its the fact that he wears a red Shirt to a blueish background..
Is this unit quite?
this application is not really what Intel is targeting. It is more for embedded systems that require low SWaP but high performance. That's why it is not going to be competitively priced with their server processor options. The jump in performance from Xeon-D Broadwell to Icelake is pretty significant.
Usually the big customer for Xeon D is Facebook, but they are using Cooper Lake this generation
Check out Curtis Wright, or Extreme Engineering Solutions. This is really the target market for these embedded versions of Xeon
That is really expensive box tho
1u = 1.75"
These model numbers are damn near useless.