Having a good source tone is the majority of getting a good mix. It’s why people used to spend a lot of time on sounds when recording because it would pay off when it was time to mix. You can only polish a turd so much.
Jordan has great info of course but I want to add some important things going on here (there are three) ... One, is a great performance by a great musician. Two, is a quality well-tuned drum kit. Three, is undoubtedly properly placed Microphones - whether expensive mics or not, whoever recorded this knew what they were doing and how to position the mics. Without these 3 things a compressor won't be much help. Thanks for the great video Jordan
I was also going to call out how consistent the drummer is, and how great the source snare/recording is. Totally vital to create a great mix with little work here. You don't even need sample replacement or beefing with this.
Literally taught me how to compress snares. I've been having trouble just hearing my snare drum for ages. It's either been inaudible or it's been clipping like it has fuzz on it. Thank you so much.
I have a question. In the last section, he's addressing parallel compression and demonstrates with what appears to be a solo'd "Crush Bus" where we're only hearing the Crush Bus by itself . . . .then he makes his changes and brings the main drum sound back in and brings up the fader to show us how it makes it better . . . BUT!!!! HOW is it routed so that he can only hear the instruments coming into the Crush Bus and NOT the rest of the primary tracks? I'm guessing the CRUSH BUS SEND is set to "pre fader" but I'm not in front of my computer to try it!!! That seems VERY helpful. (sorry for the caps . . . we don't have "italics" . . . and I'm excited.
For a while i struggled to hear compression, but then I realized it's more like you FEEL it. So instead of trying to "hear" it, I started trying to "feel" it (granted you FEEL it between your ears), and it's pretty easy to "hear" it now!
Great stuff jordan. Im a preset fool. But i always end up backing out and starting over. I got the cla signature series, so i wouldnt have to deal with stuff just slap a preset on and move, but i find i love my mixhub plugin cause of the ssl style, and i actually want to mix mix not just phone in. This vid really helps. Thanks man, you rock.
Good information here, would you be able to do a tutorial on getting the HM-2 guitar tone (aka Swedish Chainsaw guitar tone) to sit in a mix, there's not a whole lot of information on it and I'd like to get your take on it
Hi! May i ask you a question? do you send both snare top and bottom to a snare bus?? and the you apply the parallel compresion to that snare bus? thanks! great video!
Could we get a run down of how you did the guitars on this track? sounds like a strat middle pickup and it's hard to find mix tutorials which use that pickup :O
Just found this page and wow dude, the info you provide is amazing! Ready to support big time. Do you have any vids/resources on making drum over video/mixes.
Wow that actual snare itself is amazing. What is it? Super consistent drummer too. Probably the most important part of a good snare sound is a .... good snare sound and drummer ;-)
Hey thanks for everything as always. I noticed that you only parallel comp the kit and not snare, kick, and kit. Or do you have instances where you choose to parallel snare and or kick and or kit.
At 4:26 when you talk about “really hearing” what compression does by cranking it up, I just want to say that I heard people say that for years and never got it until I started doing that without automatic gain compensation turned on. Because then I was able to hear how the compression was really “compressing” the signal (i.e. lowering the signal). I never understood how or why it was that when I compress something it gets louder. Like that didn’t make sense to me and blocked me from understanding it for so long. Gain compensation is cool when you understand what’s going on, but before that it’s like a smoke bomb that obscures what’s really happening. Hope that helps someone. And by the way, that can be applied to limiting too. Instead of setting the limiter at like -0.1 db and pushing into it so everything gets super loud, try lowering the threshold down onto the mix and listen to what it’s doing by chopping of those peaks and transients and kinda mushing out the mix. Again, harder to notice when everything is just getting louder and louder.
Hey thanks, great tip on the fast attack on the bottom head, I will try your approach, it's interesting! Just wondering why you left the phase on both heads the same though?
would you say to keep all drums in one bus? ive seen people who do like EDM and other electronic music so have the snare on their own bus and the kick on their own bus, then the rest of the drum/ percussive instruments being mixed under a drum bus
Hey Jordan, I watched your other video on EQing snares, but I've heard a few guys talk about the phasing problems with EQing more than one source of an instrument, specifically Bass when you're high passing one and low passing the other. In your other video I saw that your EQ moves were fairly similar between the top and bottom snares. Could you maybe do a follow up video to this one going over the EQ you used here and what the potential phasing issues could be and how to avoid/work around them? Thanks.
Some people eq the top and bottom, some do it on the bus. I tend to only do notching or high passing on either which is fine, and then eqing both together. No right of wrong way!
So... mix your drums, give it some silly name and save it. Now you have a new Superior Drummer 3 expansion for free ;) Add some reverb and call it Arena or Royal Albert Hall :P
So I listened on my ear buds at 3:07 I couldn't hear any difference between compressed and uncompressed. I will test this on my studio monitors. You might say well you can't hear the difference on ear buds, seeing as we end up hearing everthing on inferior systems then I can't see how this makes a difference. If there is a difference it's so minimal I can't see the value of it.
Actually tell a lie I could hear it.....but it;s not the attack that changes, it's the tail of the note is more emphasised, it's a longer fuller note. Now I hear it but the attack is the same.
Dear youtubers! Please, produce or mix some music sounding a millimeter close to any of the 70 years old disco/rock song and then i'll trust your videos.
I think that snare sound sucks. That drummer needs to learn how to tune his drums for a recording session. It's not the same as for a live performance. And I hate rimshots on a recording. They end up sounding like a slapstick.
This is like a master-class in drum compression and all for free. You are a champ for doing what you do!
Yes very good material.
Honestly. Stumbling on this guy's channel has greatly improved my mixing. He has no bs approach to mixing which is why I really dig his videos
The source tone sounds fantastic, even without any compression
Having a good source tone is the majority of getting a good mix. It’s why people used to spend a lot of time on sounds when recording because it would pay off when it was time to mix. You can only polish a turd so much.
fast attack on bottom snare mic is awesome! im gonna use this from now on..
The snare bottom process was gold. Never considered that. Thanks man! Stay safe :)
is he using the bus compression for this technique?
@@dj_instruments937 SSL Chanel strip. Works the same with other plugs too
Jordan has great info of course but I want to add some important things going on here (there are three) ... One, is a great performance by a great musician. Two, is a quality well-tuned drum kit. Three, is undoubtedly properly placed Microphones - whether expensive mics or not, whoever recorded this knew what they were doing and how to position the mics.
Without these 3 things a compressor won't be much help.
Thanks for the great video Jordan
Absolutely agree. If just one of these three things is off, no magic mixing move will save the mix. Sad but true.
@@dzamija922 actually dubbing w midi or using trigger will.
@@SimpHarderPlz not at all, from my experience, but to each his own
I was also going to call out how consistent the drummer is, and how great the source snare/recording is. Totally vital to create a great mix with little work here. You don't even need sample replacement or beefing with this.
@@dzamija922 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Literally taught me how to compress snares. I've been having trouble just hearing my snare drum for ages. It's either been inaudible or it's been clipping like it has fuzz on it. Thank you so much.
Some of the best explanations on the web. Keep up the very fine work. Thanks. 🙌🏻
Just the first compression tip is pure gold. Thanks Hardcore Music Studio!
I jump on trying to mix my music more in depth lately and found your channel VERY useful and in a great instructive way! Thanks a lot!
Excellent video, Jordan! Currently struggling with getting the snare sound I want in a mix, so this is super helpful!
That's a pretty damn impressive snare drum recording.
yes, i'm very impressed by the bottom mic recording. really well recorded
Even without sample its sounds rly good.
I have a question. In the last section, he's addressing parallel compression and demonstrates with what appears to be a solo'd "Crush Bus" where we're only hearing the Crush Bus by itself . . . .then he makes his changes and brings the main drum sound back in and brings up the fader to show us how it makes it better . . . BUT!!!! HOW is it routed so that he can only hear the instruments coming into the Crush Bus and NOT the rest of the primary tracks? I'm guessing the CRUSH BUS SEND is set to "pre fader" but I'm not in front of my computer to try it!!! That seems VERY helpful. (sorry for the caps . . . we don't have "italics" . . . and I'm excited.
Dude you really deserve more subs.
Working on it!
For a while i struggled to hear compression, but then I realized it's more like you FEEL it. So instead of trying to "hear" it, I started trying to "feel" it (granted you FEEL it between your ears), and it's pretty easy to "hear" it now!
Great video, great delivery and walkthrough.
Srsly, you have some of the best mixing content on yt. Thanks for all the Effort!
Amazing tutorial! So generous!
Great stuff jordan. Im a preset fool. But i always end up backing out and starting over. I got the cla signature series, so i wouldnt have to deal with stuff just slap a preset on and move, but i find i love my mixhub plugin cause of the ssl style, and i actually want to mix mix not just phone in. This vid really helps. Thanks man, you rock.
You'r awesome, since i follow you, i've really increase my mixs ! Ty
Thanks, Jordan. I enjoy your tutorials and emails.
Great tutorial, simply explained and effective !
Fantastic indepth lesson. Interesting and a joy to listen to it. Thanks.
This was so helpful for me. Thank you for breaking this down.
thanks man will try this out on some of my mixes
brilliant breakdown, thanks!
Again Jordan, so great!!! Thanks so much!
Thank you! Really helped me out with metalcore drums!
This is great Jordan! really really useful thanks!
Great tutorial, very illustrative and clear. Thanks, Jordan!
always top notch mixing tips
Thank You Jordan, awesome and helpful videos as always
Finally more tutorials man!
Good information here, would you be able to do a tutorial on getting the HM-2 guitar tone (aka Swedish Chainsaw guitar tone) to sit in a mix, there's not a whole lot of information on it and I'd like to get your take on it
Hi! May i ask you a question? do you send both snare top and bottom to a snare bus?? and the you apply the parallel compresion to that snare bus? thanks! great video!
The segment when you use the SSL on the snare is actually the kick. Correct me if I'm wrong.
You got some better tutorials than others. Gained yourself another subscriber.
Could we get a run down of how you did the guitars on this track? sounds like a strat middle pickup and it's hard to find mix tutorials which use that pickup :O
Pure gold thank you!!!!!
Great video excellent tips I have all those plugins also which is a plus👍👍
Excellent tutorial - thank you!
great tutorial as always Jordan. Thank you so much for these videos
nice one . do you also send your snare samples to the parallel compression track
Yup!
Great explanation. Thank you!
Just found this page and wow dude, the info you provide is amazing! Ready to support big time. Do you have any vids/resources on making drum over video/mixes.
oohh yeahh!! it's perfect snare time!
Wow that actual snare itself is amazing. What is it? Super consistent drummer too. Probably the most important part of a good snare sound is a .... good snare sound and drummer ;-)
As always, awesome guide!
That is very helpful thank you.
This was awesome. Thanks a lot man!
Excelente video, 👌 muchas gracias por compartir
Awesome Jordan! Keen to tuck into molding awesome snares - thanks to your guidance. \m/
Hey thanks for everything as always.
I noticed that you only parallel comp the kit and not snare, kick, and kit.
Or do you have instances where you choose to parallel snare and or kick and or kit.
Brilliant explanation, thank you!
THIS is a reallllly great video_! thanks for posting it :)
Well done mate!informative and interesting
Great video, thanks for that !
At 4:26 when you talk about “really hearing” what compression does by cranking it up, I just want to say that I heard people say that for years and never got it until I started doing that without automatic gain compensation turned on. Because then I was able to hear how the compression was really “compressing” the signal (i.e. lowering the signal). I never understood how or why it was that when I compress something it gets louder. Like that didn’t make sense to me and blocked me from understanding it for so long. Gain compensation is cool when you understand what’s going on, but before that it’s like a smoke bomb that obscures what’s really happening. Hope that helps someone. And by the way, that can be applied to limiting too. Instead of setting the limiter at like -0.1 db and pushing into it so everything gets super loud, try lowering the threshold down onto the mix and listen to what it’s doing by chopping of those peaks and transients and kinda mushing out the mix. Again, harder to notice when everything is just getting louder and louder.
Hold shift while dialing in the input on the Distressor and the output volume accommodates so you're not adding volume just compression.
Hey thanks, great tip on the fast attack on the bottom head, I will try your approach, it's interesting! Just wondering why you left the phase on both heads the same though?
This helped a lot! Thank you so much for this video!
Nice man, thanks
i love this song
If we are using a compressor with a knee setting, what knee settings are we looking at for the snare top, snare bottom, and the parallel compressor?
Love drums
Did you use two compressors on the snare drum
Amazing brother!
With the snare top and bottom am I using 2 comps on one track or am I choosing between either or technique based on snare sample?
would you say to keep all drums in one bus? ive seen people who do like EDM and other electronic music so have the snare on their own bus and the kick on their own bus, then the rest of the drum/ percussive instruments being mixed under a drum bus
Thank you, really.
Thank you.
What are the numbers though, in milliseconds? I mean, I’ll try to improve my ear, but “slow” and “fast” are a bit vague for my noob brain.
hi sorry for the noob question, how does your mic not pick up your speakers when mixing?
Hello, Out of curiosity what are the 2 other plugins on that drums parallel CRUSH... The THeD and JST. Thanks!
Thanx for the video. What's on the main drum buss for plugins?
Looks like Waves SSL Buss Compressor, Waves REQ 4, and then Crane Song Phoenix II last
Hey Jordan, I watched your other video on EQing snares, but I've heard a few guys talk about the phasing problems with EQing more than one source of an instrument, specifically Bass when you're high passing one and low passing the other. In your other video I saw that your EQ moves were fairly similar between the top and bottom snares. Could you maybe do a follow up video to this one going over the EQ you used here and what the potential phasing issues could be and how to avoid/work around them? Thanks.
Some people eq the top and bottom, some do it on the bus. I tend to only do notching or high passing on either which is fine, and then eqing both together. No right of wrong way!
So... mix your drums, give it some silly name and save it.
Now you have a new Superior Drummer 3 expansion for free ;)
Add some reverb and call it Arena or Royal Albert Hall :P
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hold shift while adjusting the input knob in VMR :)
What other plugs do You have on the snare and parallel Track?
what would be the Waves equivalent (or closest thing) to the FG-Stress?
I think CLA-1176 or API-2500 or DBX-160, not quite the same ofc. Waves don't have distressor emulation.
so could this be used on a mixer like qu 32 and playing live?
I couldn't get the mix cheatsheet to download.....can you help me with this please ?
Once u find the right transient level, can u use EQ to get rid of unpleasant overtones?
I am trying to solve this problem too. that ring cuts through so loudly
I wouldmlike to get the cheat sheet, but when i fill in the form nothing shows up in my mail. Also not in spam or whatever
Do you use gate and compressor at same time?
Why is a sampled snare better than the one recorded on a live kit? No bleed?
So I listened on my ear buds at 3:07 I couldn't hear any difference between compressed and uncompressed. I will test this on my studio monitors. You might say well you can't hear the difference on ear buds, seeing as we end up hearing everthing on inferior systems then I can't see how this makes a difference. If there is a difference it's so minimal I can't see the value of it.
Actually tell a lie I could hear it.....but it;s not the attack that changes, it's the tail of the note is more emphasised, it's a longer fuller note. Now I hear it but the attack is the same.
do i see a raise in volume?
What was the actual snare recorded?
how slow is a slow atack?
what is this band?
How is there no bleed on that bottom snr mic?!
Dear youtubers! Please, produce or mix some music sounding a millimeter close to any of the 70 years old disco/rock song and then i'll trust your videos.
Adding PUNCH! (But NO Judy!)
2:00 on and off sound almost identical to the point where it's pointless.
That top snare sounds like an improved version of the St. Anger snare
Why did I only discover your channel now, after all the rubbish I've heard over the past 3 years?
its random
hey! this was helpful! helped me in my drum cover.. check it out!
I think that snare sound sucks. That drummer needs to learn how to tune his drums for a recording session. It's not the same as for a live performance. And I hate rimshots on a recording. They end up sounding like a slapstick.
never thought of using distressor for snare, gonna play arnd with it thanks jordan