GOBELINS Masters Application Reel 2023 [Rejected]
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Edit : important to notice : I was already a student in Gobelins the 3 last years, I did the bachelor there !
I made a post about the Gobelins current situation in the ''cominity'' part of my RUclips channel.
This is the portfolio I joined with my application for the master degree enterance exams. I went to the oral, but I was in the end rejected (not on the waiting list). The video is supposed to be 2 min with a graphic portfolio with less then 2sec slides. I was already in the school for the bachelor, that’s why you can see the walk cycles etc…
They told me I did not have enough personnality shown through the demo, and lacked of vis dev/storytelling skills + I would need to work for some time before trying again.
Also they said they couldn't wait to see what I will do in the future cause I was very promising. But the school said the opposite when I asked about my rejection (not on the waiting list)
I had to censor a part cause the short i did my intership on is not realised yet.
Hope it can help you, feel free to ask anything 🤗
you can find me on instagram : @celia.berland
Check my full portfolio with the new stuff on my website ! : celbrl13.wixsi...
Thanks for reading ☺️
Edit : For those who believe it's because I used pre existing models /characters for my animations that I wasn't taken, you have to know that for all the exercises I did during the 3 years I studied in Gobelins it was * compulsory * to use preexisting model sheets, it is part of the exercises they give us. If you look on the internet for Gobelins students exercices and démo reels you will find out we all use preexisting characters. these are not * fanarts * it's like, the closest thing you can find from professional work , cause in the industry no one will ask you for your style. They will ask you to follow the models the chara designer did, and it is very important for an animator to know how to do that. (I already worked on the industry btw and I can speak about that).
for these exercises I did in Gobelins they gave me grades like : 16, 17, 18, 19 out of 20.
Also, all my classmates who were taken for the masters had also a lots of characters not from them in their demo reels. So I don't think this is the reason of my rejection. actually I believe (and my teachers also confirmed) that my rejection was based on personal reasons, because I'm bothering the school (or more like several people in the administration) *politically*. You can search in the comments for more details.
For the people interested in my portfolio to enter the school in first year bachelor 3 YEARS AGO :
www.tumblr.com...
Edit : I noted the questions they asked :
introduce yourself
what type of storytelling do you like
how would you manage problems in a group project
what is important so a project go well
would you like to work on other people's projects
would you like to work with international people
was your change of class (french to international) intentional
what would you like to lean during the masters
is ur jacket a reference to hunter X Hunter (?wtf)
do you have any questions to ask us.
ps : u can find the presentation video with me speaking facecam on my YT chanel
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Gobellins is one of those schools whose standards are unbelievably high
Its getting higher every year, this is better than a lot of accepted portfolios i've seen the previous years :/...
I am a professionnal 3D artist who didn't study in such a big art school and I feel a bit worried about this. I guess the level is so high because of the amount of competitors in this field.
I mean, even if i recognize the value of exellence, you don't need to reach perfection to do art, this level is more that enough !
A bunch of dudes and me have created a team alongside our respective work for our video game project and we are having great fun ! We are not ubisoft but we have nothing to be ashamed of. We are super creative and learn a lot.
What modern society and its meritocratic liberalism demand from us is crushing the essence of art. It is scary to me
It’s France’s most prestigious animation school so yeah the standards are going to be high
@@realyoyowebagree with everything, honestly I think I am a good artist but I can't find a job in the art field and I feel miserable watching this
Its not the portfolio who got rejected, actually this passed the skills test, it was the oral exam that did not pass, so don’t feel miserable guys, the title os a bit misleading
I work for all major animation studios in LA, and I can tell you:
This is better than 99% of portfolios we receive! Kudos to you and keep going! ;)
😭 thank you ❤️ it gives me much hope .. I send my portfolio to few studios in Paris but I have to try harder è-é finding a first job is stressful.
Heyyy, I am trying to build a portfolio to get educated into this course. Can you guys help me what exactly do I need to build and put in my portfolio to get selected in universities as really I'm a new student in this branch
@@ryuno4082hello ! I only know for french schools cause I only wanted to apply in my country . .. but I think it really depends on the school in general. I would say you have to be good in everything at least a little bit : background/Figure drawing /characters/storyboard/illustration/animation and u can have a specialty. Cause you will have to do a bit of everything at least in the beginning.
Only include original pieces in your portfolio. Any sort of fan art or "reanimated" things will not be well received. @@ryuno4082
@@celiaberland37Hey Celia, i’m currently doing my bachelors in Brussels… why don’t you check it out? There have plenty of unis, the application and entrance exams are far more forgiving than schools like Gobelins and lots of French people live here! It’s also not too difficult when commuting to and from Paris.
NO WAY THIS WAS REJECTED THIS IS PERFECTION IN MY EYES!!
🫠🤧
I was rejected aswell on the oral test, but they never told me what was wrong, it was super sad to me, now whatching this level made me feel interested on what they accept. Thanks for sharing im a huge fan of your work!!
If you asked for it they should send it to you in September. As I was already a student they accepted to tell me face to face what was wrong
I'm really sorry to hear that 🥹 hope that if you really want it you will find the will to do it again.
It's not like the bachelor few years ago, you don't have to go in Paris to pass the test on paper. So it can be easier to try again !
What was wrong with ur work? @@celiaberland37
honestly I know some teachers and students well and they mostly accept ppl who paid for their interships or were at their preps, shitty system
@@Marie-bt9krreally ? Like if you do the summer program ?
Rejection means nothing. Your work is a beautiful piece of art
Thank u ❤
im not surprised you were rejected after being outspoken about sexism in the industry and the school’s own participation in it. but i am glad you said it and we can all see that they are the ones who missed out on an incredible student. i love your work, it has such a dreamy quality.
I really love this portfolio! I feel like "lack of personality" is such a cheap excuse for them to dismiss you.
Goodluck on whatever you choose to do next !
is that really the reason they gave for her?
@@abdanmayori924 yep she said so in the description
I Hope you don’t feel too sad about being rejected because this portfolio is really incredible and I love the way your style is so changing, like it’s not only one basic aesthetic everyone has now. It’s really unique ! Keep animating because I can tell that’s something you love doing
Thank you so much !
My goal is to be able to animate ''realistically'' in any style or character design and also be able to have a style that can be recognized for cartoony, stilysed, semi realistic and realistic characters ... I'm still searching and improving :) I like to adapt my style depending on the project I work on
Seeing your work online throughout the years has been so delightful. I wish you all the best in the next chapter.✨
Thank you so much 🥹 it really means a lot ❤️
After looking at other portfolios I have come to the conclusion that the school might have realized they don’t have much to teach you, I’ve always had a passion for animated works, both from professionals and self taught, and I can say for a fact your work is fantastic. You’ve got a good sense of weight in your animations movements, you clearly understand that smoother animation (aka, having more frames) is not necessary in every instance of movement, your turnarounds are incredibly consistent, and your concept sheets are great!
My only criticism is that there not much here to suggest you can adapt to other art styles, an important part of being a professional animator is having the ability to adapt to the styles being used for the animated projects your applying to, many of the animations shown here, while diverse, fall into very similar styles of art, furthermore, most of the humans fall into similar body types, my advice would be to practice different body shapes and styles that fall outside your comfort zone.
You’re doing a wonderful job, keep going!
Thank you for your review !
It's precisely what they criticized, the fact that they could definitely see I was able to adapt to other art styles (some of my exercises were done with a preexisting model sheet , aka the human walk cycle, the animation sequence with moomins and the nana lypsinc). Tho they said I didn't show any personal style 🗿 .
Also it's quite confirmed they didn't take me for personal reasons cause I made a teacher that they liked fired by saying what he did.....
You can see the whole story on my Instagram account on the highlights. I made a long comic about this story :)
The teachers were supportive of my case, they didn't understand .
The person who judge me at the oral has no art knowledge or animation experience. I got a administration person at my oral. (Which is also the reason why generally speaking , the selection is so random)
The problem is that people believe that the selection is done by people who know about animation, and it is not the case all the time . I know I was a student there during 3 years
can't believe you already need to be a pro at Animation before you can start studying Animation.
LIKE HELLO, I AM HERE TO LEARN THIS SHIT
this is for the masters aplication, for who already been to college before (i belive so)
The Golden Antelope was a surprise to see. And my god, a rejection with all this beauty 😢
Thank you ❤
The golden antelope ❤❤❤
I was a huge fan when I was a kid I had it on tape 🙃 📼
I don't see it lacking anything at all, it shows a specific artistic vision in my opinion, but well, I'm not the one professionally reviewing art at Gobelins lol
♥️🫠 thanks 🥹
OH MY GOODNESS! That duel in the snow was your making?
I hope you do well, a rejection is a simple form of discovery within yourself, not something to self doubt!
I was part of the team yes ❤️✌️ my classmates re very talented
Yes ❤️❤️ I'll be fine
Je suis dans l'industrie depuis 9 ans et ça me fait un peu sourire maintenant quand je vois la pression que certaines écoles mettent sur des élèves souvent encore très jeunes :')
généralement pour gérer LEUR réputation " d'école d'élite" surtout .
J'ai bossé pour un gros studio nord américain où je me suis mis la pression de ouf sur mon niveau car j'étais jeune et encore un peu dans la mentalité "école". Là je suis tombée sur des vieux de la vieille super forts du métier qui étaient tous en mode " mdr non mais les jeunes arrêtez de stresser comme ça aujourd'hui vous êtes tous dix fois plus forts que nous à votre age dans les années 80, CALMEZ VOUS " .
T'as une super demo tu vas trouver du taff sans pb ! Courage !
Now I’m so curious what they do accept! This is incredible and beautiful animation and art.
Thank you ❤❤❤
Well actually I would answer portfolio that look like mine but it sound pretentious. ...
Well maybe in the future my accepted classmates will share their portfolio
I would recommend to try to find the account of people who got accepted through the tags in the Gobelins insta page under the last Annecy movies (mexico)
Go look at the student shorts they publish each year, Gobelins' standards are really high and their students produce elite work.
Don't give up. This is great work. I really don't understand how you were rejected. I've subscribed to see what you do next. All the best :)
Thank you very much ♥️
this is a beautiful reel, as a confused person myself 2.5 months into the indie sectorr i struggle to fins what can get me a better job, thanks to your reel i can see what i have to work on. this is a gorgeous reel which shows you can basically do everything, thank you for showcasing this!!
🤗 hello
You know, it's been almost 6 months I graduated and I still don't find a job. This Iq really a though time. Normally you should be able to find something ever with a level that is not extremely high be the times are just really bad lately
@@celiaberland37 i agree i also made an error and said 2.5 months while its been 2.5 years since i have graduated and working in the indie sector part time. Im sorry to hear that you're struggling but hopefully someone will see your potential and hire you!! best wishes and best of luck!!!:)
I really love your character designs, so beautiful, and interesting.
Thank you for sharing the reel and the feedback you received for it, it is very informative in seeing the level such schools require for their students upon entry. Animation/vis-dev/storytelling really is such a deep topic, that requires so much nuance and can be explored, and skills refined, so much. I only hope one day I can understand what is good and be able to somehow carry that spark into my own work and portfolio.
❤ thank u for your comment it's really nice ❤
I promise it's not that unreachable that it looks like, and if you work every day with passion you will succeed to have a level that will enable you to do what you like , it just takes some time , work and perseverance ❤️
Honestly, seeing the level of animation work from Gobelins students always outstand me! I currently am pursuing a bachelor's in Digital Animation at KSU and the senior work there doesn't even come close to this level!
Everything looks amazing ! At first I thought it was for the bachelor and I was more than shoked that you were rejected, and now that I saw in the description that it's for the master course, I don't know what to think anymore because I don't know what level they expect but damn that's already so good I don't know if you really need the school at this point ! I'm rambling but keep going, your work is amazing !❤
I know it is a bit stupid but you shouldn't consider this reel like something you should'' do better'' to enter. I think on a really technical aspect you can have less skills and be chosen by the examinators...
They admit that they do it more about the personality than skills when it come to the oral and that they don't follow the point sheets .... 😅 they just like or not like u... it is really random. Also some of your jury they don't draw, and the others can not have links with Gobelins. Depends on your jury.... you have to be luck to be interviewed by the actual masters animation teachers who will judge you for your skills....😅
I said it in more details in another answer (and what is following is copy paseted from another answer hahah )
but I think the personally hated me for being too outspoken about feminism/sexism in animation and I told them they were not good in having some gross teacher who did bad stuff u know ... they loved him tho cause famous 😩
I also did some presentation and organized some sensibilisation debates with directors around these themes in the school....they probably were enough of that 😑
@@celiaberland37 ??? Did he do any s**ual harr**ment behavior or something similar? I read somewhere the school made their decisions on the selection not fully based on assessing potential skills but also on unrelated aspects as well (politics, finance, international students??) (I'm not sure about this information but I think everywhere is the same tho). How are you doing now? Are you working or studying somewhere else? Keep us updated !!
@@BuggySticky well you're exactly write about the unrelated policies.
Tho I think it is not necessarily bad to favor international students with diverse background ( I loved being able to befriend many people from all around the world) sometimes they really just accept or refuse someone (french or international) based on the *feeling*
@@BuggySticky and yes about ha******* but yeahhh. Now I'm doing little projects while doing a part time job as a seller in an art shop. You can follow me on Instagram where I'm active :p
@@BuggySticky this school cherish it's image much more than the actual quality of the teaching and work produced
This is exquisite! I can't believe this got rejected. In particular, I loved the sequence of the rider with the wolf. It looked, to my eyes anyway, absolutely professional quality!
this portfolio is beyond amazing…keep doing what you are doing, don’t let the rejection let you down!
Incredible work. Gobelins standards are very high but you can surely be proud of your work.
Thank you very much ♥️
Your art is beautiful! I especially love the multipan scene!! The storytelling is endless just in that first shot! It's a shame you didn't get in
Thank you ❤❤☁️🌱
Really makes me wonder how the process works cause... everything here looked professional af AND a number of these I wanna know more about the stories so... seems like more than enough personality. Kinda makes me feel like they're looking for a "Chorus Line" sort of group where everyone for sure has "personality" (which... super freaky movie, I recommend). Just means you've learned all you need to from them and you're ready to find your place for your art.
I don't think you need the master's program. I think you need to be working on the next big feature film of 2024! This is veteran levels of professional work!
How the hell was this rejected!?!?
This is outstanding!!!
Fanks ❤🥹
Franchement c'est incroyable ! Ton parcours est une énorme inspiration pour moi et même si ta candidature a été rejeté ça se vois que t'as un niveau de dingue
Merci ☺️ c'est très touchant ☁️❤️
This is a beautiful portfolio, it shows versatility and also personality, it's just a bit more subtle and feminine than most styles favoured for kids' shows these days. I think the Gobelins final films can probably be important in launching a career and it's sad you're missing out on that opportunnity but I think you will do well without this school, don't let this stop you!
Omg you worked on “Annecy”? I loved that film! The art and colors were stunning and beautiful! I felt like I really stepped into that world 😍😍😍
So they want you to be a Disney animator master before you get in? This demo reel is gorgeous
Hi, these looks amazing to me, keep working I wish you a lot of strength and ideas 😊🎬
Thank you ♥️☺️
Awesome!🔥🔥🔥
Wait no way, I’ve actually seen your work online before and I was completely blown away at your masters work. I’m curious to know why they even rejected you in the first place. Did they at least tell you? Cause if you out of all people didn’t get into the masters degree program then I sure as hell am not 💀
Well they said I looked pretentious and not nice to work with. Plus they thought my work was lacking maturity and artistic / narrative value. ... I "talked too much " during the oral exam 😅
Basically they just didn't like my face.
Cause they said : we don't really respect anything with points and all, we think we can distinguish someone who will be good worker than someone who will be bad. .... By talking with him for 20 min. (Coming from a woman who didn't draw btw, who was my jury).
It's really disapoiting cause I had friends who wanted to work with me for the grad movie and apparently everyone is satisfied with my skills and I don't think I would have been a catastrophy to work with 😅.
But well they SAW it though me .... So they must be right. ...
I think the real reason of my rejection lies in the fact I didn't accept sexism at school and I told them about gross behavior of some people they liked.... (Teacher) and it was not making a good effect..... U know, criticizing the school... But I guess it's on me 😅
@@celiaberland37that sounds horrible, I’m truly sorry that was the response 💀
@@celiaberland37 Oh my god im really sorry about that, i have such a mixed feelings about your situation in case of what you said is true, i knew gobelins wasnt perfect since one of my friends got in, but this crosses the line D:
@@parettomain well, I'm wandering if I'm going to do some kind of comic, or video about my experience... not being to precise but talking about the general mixed feelings....
@@celiaberland37 pls do!! A lot of people should notice this kind of problems, i will keep an eye on what happens
I just watched an accepted portfolio. I'm currently getting my BFA in animation and I personally think the quality of your work is so much better. I can see you in visual devlopment
You're really nice 🥲🥹💗
Have seen a lot of people with a very average reel get in for Masters there. This is definitely something else - cause for the rejection (unless they were taking only a bunch of animation gods that year, jeez it's only a masters course)🥴
I answered others with the same answer so I will just copy paste sorry (too many comments 😭)
I think they personally hated me for being too outspoken about feminism/sexism in animation and I told them they were not good in having some gross teacher who did bad stuff u know ... they loved him tho cause famous 😩
I also did some presentation and organized some sensibilisation debates with directors around these themes in the school....they probably were enough of that 😑
@@celiaberland37 cant believe these old farts still run an industry that requires outside of the box thinking and sensibility towards other people, when they clearly have none of that. but dont worry, their days are counted 🤫
J'ai vu ton travail avant et la je suis choqué franchement.
Je comprends pas pourquoi what they looking for ? Youur work is amazingly outstanding 👏.
Je t souhaite que le succès
Merci ❤ c'est super gentil
Ils ont craqué leur slip 😤 mon argent je l'investirai ailleurs hihu💸💸💸
Those rotating shots are magnificent. You never see animators using them because it's so hard for them to do. You're gonna do brilliantly with skills like that
Je pense qu’il ne faut pas uniquement se fixer sur les Gobelins, oui ils sont considérés comme l’ « élite de l’animation » (et c’est vrai qu’ils sont très forts), mais c’est avant tout une histoire de réputation.
Il y a plein d’autres excellentes écoles d’animation en France (EMCA, la Poudrière, Émile Cohl…) qui sont juste moins connues.
Et quoi qu’il arrive tu as déjà un très bon niveau, ça va aller :)
Oui :)
Personnellement je pense peut-être tenter la poudrière quand j'aurai plus d'expérience . Pour moi cette école est supérieure dans son domaine : la mise en scène.
Gobelins est plus technique
Art schools are a scam anyways this is dope , continue to do your work 👌🏾
I agree 😂 thanks 😤
looks amazing!!, i loved it
Thank you 💕
You were one of the animators behind Queen's Favor?! I adore that short!!
Yes I was part of this great team 😊🐛
Thank you
Your artstyle is so cute and full of life, plus the fluency of your animations... this is perfect
❤ thank you very much you are sweet ☺️☁️
What??? This was rejected??? Dayumn them rejecting you when you’re so good is like a slap to the face for me. I draw but I’m not even this good. No hate but they are blind. If we online strangers love it, that means that you are on to something and it’s going to be good!! Good luck to you, I know you will make it big!! ❤
Thank you so much you are sweet ❤
Well it's a bit strange I think they may had a personal thingy against me maybe 😅 but well, I will probably be better working and making some money instead of spending 20000 on people who hate on me 💸
@@celiaberland37it's interesting isn't it. It's like they're using their reputation of being a prestigious school to be petty. Like what does "not enough personality" even mean?? It's ridiculous.
They basically just want only professionals to go to their school. What's the point if you already have enough skills to work in the industry?
I was thinking "what a dream it would be to go to gobelins" but now seeing the rejected portfolios, it makes me think that they're pretty judgmental over tiny things (which is of course why they're such a good school but it seems like it could get toxic at times)
@thelitterbx4526 well actually it is not that good. I was there for 3 years and the exercises they give are good , the teachers (not all the teachers tho) are great but everything else is quite bad. They treat us like shit.
Also, I learned a lot mostly because of my friends and other students I met there who were very skilled.
@@celiaberland37 thanks for being vocal about this. I probably wouldn't have gotten in anyway but now I know not to even apply. I'll probably go to AUB instead. Some alumni from my school went there and they seemed to have a good time.
Keep with the great work
Thank you ❤
What an obnoxious and pretentious reason for rejecting you. These are stunning, I would totally watch a short film from you, or if a show had your style on netflix I'd be delighted. You did such a good job capturing classic animated movies too, like the last unicorn or the hobbit with the effects you used, masterful.
You're so nice 💕🥹 thank u
Don't worry I'll be fine 🙃
everyday i find more reasons on why i won't get accepted to Gobelins, i don't even have a finished portfolio. Yours is just amazing! Just use this rejection as motivation to get better
fuck em who needs them, this is an AMAZING portfolio.
C’est incroyable ce que tu fais !! Je comprends de moins et moins la sélectivité gobelins ??
🤧 😵 malheureusement
Merci ❤️☁️☺️
Coucou ! Tout d’abord j’adore ton portfolio/démo reel! Celui de Nina Simone est tout simplement incroyable!Par contre j’ai du mal à comprendre pourquoi les Gobelins rejettent leurs propres étudiants du master? Vous n’avez pas la priorité en tant qu’ancien étudiant ?
Salut ! Merci beaucoup pour ton gentil commentaire ❤️☁️
Alors oui ça a été une grande incompréhension pour moi.
Toute l'année ils nous ont dit que si on n'avait pas particulièrement de difficultés, on passerait sna soucis, mais au final on m'a dit que je n'avais pas le profil car j'ai paru prétentieuse à l'oral, que j'ai trop parlé et que mon travail ne montre pas de personnalité particulière , manque de maturité artistique et de maturité en storytelling.... Que j'avais pas l'air de bien pouvoir travailler en groupe ? Et que je devais travailler au moins un an puis repostuler car je n'avais pas le niveau ....
Je l'ai pas vraiment bien vécu car tous les professeurs ont toujours étés assez fières de moi et ne m'ont jamais laissés entendre que j'avais de difficultés ou de soucis à me faire....
@@celiaberland37 wow je suis choquée ! Merci pour cette réponse ils ne savent pas ce qu’ils perdent !!
@@estherberivandigor1586 merci c'est très gentil ❤️
@@celiaberland37
This is ridiculous. Your work is beyond skillful and polished. There's no way they are giving you such bullshit feedback. Don't take their words too seriously! I wish you all the best in the future.
@@ewqeruijasksnd ❤️❤️❤️ thank u
you are so incredibly talented! dont give up!!
Thank you very much ♥️
Gobelins va perdre une étudiante talentueuse, reconnue comme telle par les enseignants de son cursus. La décision administrative de la faire partir est incompréhensible.
This is some fantastic work! Can't wait to see what you make in the future!
Thanks 🥹
That's what they told me at the oral 😭🤡🥹
Little My and Snufkin 😭💗
I went to a competitive undergraduate program for painting and printmaking, and they straight up told us not to apply there for a masters and to go out and apply to other schools to find different critique, insights, and environments to create in. Maybe go for another school if you can. They might be able to teach you something Gobelins didn't.
Wow these are absolutely breathtaking
Awesome!
this is professional work right here, not sure why you didnt get accepted 😅
Not sure either 😭
they frog, you swan
YES 🦢🦢🦢🦢
Your work is incredible. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt some of your work shown in the first video thats shown when you look up Goeblins?
Hello , thank you very much ♥️
yes, I was art director on the last short they shared :) I was in bachelor 3 rd year. I did the illustration on the thumbnail basically 😗 I didn't make it to the masters tho 🥹
@celiaberland37 sorry to hear that. I'm hoping whatever you choose to do works out for you! You're a real inspiration.
Tis by far a shame, these have all been my favorites from the past year.
Thank you very much ♥️ it means a lot ♥️♥️♥️
I like the style used for the Moomins here much better than they used in the remakes.
As an animator I can say your works are really good. But maybe more essential works with Time charts for the plasticity of the animation could help you. Right now, I believe your are more than fit for an assistant, but maybe improve on the spaces and Times can be the new path that your animation needs.
Thank you for the advice, I agree 💯
Maybe they think you are overqualified? Idk i m in love with your work !
0:34 the garden
YES
And I can say I was really 🎉🎉🎉 when Fletcher and Wyatt liked my animations on insta I was like 🫠🫠🫠🥹🥹🥹😭 hihihi I can die now 😂
@@celiaberland37 omg really!!? woow!! i wasnt even sure it was them i just like being an annoying smartass on yt comments. i love their stuff!
@@anti_acido hihi no ur right I'm absolutely OBSESSED
Si j'ai bien compris, ils veulent que tu anime et que tu sois aussi visdev? Au mon dieu les standards sont si hauts 😭
Bon courage, tu peux le faire, t'es forte et t'as déjà fait un bon chemin, le storytelling et le look visdev sont a ta porté large.
Merci 😭
Oui c chaud hein...
J'espère que je trouverai un boulot dans pas trop longtemps :p
I didn’t read the title and I thought this was an accepted WHAT 🤯
ehh... i did the masters at gobelins, your work is good enough to go straight to the job market (in france it's a bit rough right now, but keep trying) unless you really want yo do your own short film
Hi, I just came across this video. Thank you for sharing your reel and your video presentation. Do you think there's any possibility that they didn't admit you because you were applying for the international master's program?(i'm guessing you are french if not sorry for assuming) I've seen some other reels from accepted applicants, and I don't want to be mean or anything, but some of those reels were lacking in quality, compared to yours, at least. Yet, they were still accepted.
Hello !
No I don't think so, cause there is a french class too and I have a very acceptable level in English (with two English speaking boyfriends hahaha) also I was in the international class in bachelor already. And there was not enough french students from the bachelor who wanted to go to the master to fill an entire class :v
I said it in more details in another answer but I think the personally hated me for being too outspoken about feminism/sexism in animation and I told them they were not good in having some gross teacher who did bad stuff u know ... they loved him tho cause famous 😩
I also did some presentation and organized some sensibilisation debates with directors around these themes in the school....they probably were enough of that 😑
It feels possible that you make a buzz with that kind of "rejected" content on social media and find an employer anyway 😂
My plan 😂
@@celiaberland37 Bonne chance 😉
Don't lose the identity and sincerity of your own work because of schools and "the industry".
The rent has to be paid, but hopefully the aforementioned doesn't ever happen.
You did very well but do remember... teachers bend over backwards for something original and thoroughly worked on. Some of these I haven't seen before but honestly you're probably right about the story telling. Honestly this is why I never went to art school...
Yeah I know 🗿 tho it's hard to have technique in animation if it's self taught
@@celiaberland37 Eh you got this
i live in brazil, here is very dificcult to find where to learn this things, your work is awesome, i hope do somenthing like your too
Based on your edit, it's clear that you can't take criticism very well. A quarter of your reel is other IPs which means that these pieces don't show who you are as an artist or how you develop characters and worlds. While you show this in later pieces, the fact remains that it puts you behind in these aspects which is reinforced because you were then told what your portfolio lacked. Even though in the industry you are often working off of a specific model or design, studios still want to see your flexibility and creativity as an artist. You weren't required to include these pieces in your reel, because many other accepted reels do not have copyrighted characters in them.
Please inform yourself about Gobelins before criticizing .
The character are copywrited because during lessons it is REQUIRED to have copywrited characters. You are criticizing Gobelins not me then. The reel you seen were not from people already in the school like me.
Gobelins is an applied art school, a technical one . We don't do experimental . I've been studying there for 3 years. Some people I know who got into the masters don't even do design, they just do animation.
The movies in the end are done by teams and are no autor movies done alone.
If you are interested in my case, they check my comic I did on my Instagram highlights.
I guess you were accepted in Gobelins or you are a professional of the animation world to criticize so harshly the work I spent all my time doing for 3 years. Humm no one except someone with a big ego would criticize the work of a student this way. You must be really skilled
The teachers were also shocked and found the jury was bullshit btw.
Also, the jury I had had a personal problem against me, a big one. So I guess we have the reason why I'm mad :p
If you got rejected they won't even look at me...
Don't think like this. They rejected me for personal reasons most likely , so you should not compare. They take people of different levels .
with these skills.. do you even need the school? :)
I mean, they said I was not skilled enough to enter 🫠😅
@@celiaberland37 In my honest opinion, I feel as long you have a strong enough portfolio, you don't need art school to get into the animation industry, or be realized as an animator. I hope you keep your spirits up, I don't like to see corporations and schools snuff out hopes and aspirations of animators. With the hollywood strikes and fight against AI and corporate abuse, I feel like we'll soon enter a new age of creator-first indie studios/projects. Maybe that's something to look out for imo
Amazing
But what's the story behind the rejection?
As the rejection was suspicious I suspect it's because I was not accepting certain gross behavior coming from a teacher they loved (cause famous) long story. I think they don't really like being criticized ... This school. Tho a lot of students are unhappy and disappointed. Especially recent years with the new classes. Not enough teachers , no money.... And also administration treating students like s***. It's still gives u a level... But mostly cause u surrounded with talented students.
@celiaberland37 I admire that you stood up to that. I hope you're surrounded with better people and in a better place, and if not, I wish you to be.
@@ShovelLettuce don’t worry, it’s true that i’m sad but on the end i’m sure it’s better for my mental health 🤍 thank u
incredible work. i don't think you need them.
Coucou Célia,
Franchement va direct travailler ou faire tes projets, t'as pas besoin du Master, t'es super talentueuse.
Goblah 👹
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" is ur jacket a reference to hunter X Hunter" haha lmao. Im pretty sure the answer to that should always be yes. This reel is good though probably not that much else to learn doing a masters if you already did undergrad. Although I get be able to be in that study bubble to focus & improve skills without life getting in the way. Meh F em.
Hahaha
Sadly it was not
It was more like a leather jacket with green diamonds like a bit clown core .
It's more because I'm a fan of a certain band haha but I guess it was wrong answer indeed 🥴
Thanks for your support ♥️🤗 it's really appreciated
I am working a tone so I get better even without them !
@@celiaberland37 Your welcome & I wish you luck in your journey. I made sure to follow your insta.
you got rejected for being too good
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Why....??? This is ridiculous It makes me angry and confused seeing this situation. Just so ridiculous. What are they looking for other than skill level?
im so sorry this is all incredible but im really not ised to seeing soviet animation being known outside of post soviet countries-- where the hell did u learn abt golden antilope???
Hahaha
It's because as a child I had a tape 📼 with a few Russian animated shorts on it and I really loved it. Ever since it happens I'm watching some of these old cartoons on RUclips 🌝
There were french dub 🌝
REJECTED??? Bruh if I summited my portfolio they'd crucify my ass if this is what gets rejected.
youre extremely talented and your hard work shows. I know colleges dont want to see fan art, that is probably a big part of the rejection based on what you said.
Hello , 😊 thank you very much ♥️
Otherwise I added an edit in the description to explain why I don't believe I was rejected for this reasons :
you have to know that for all the exercises I did during the 3 years I studied in Gobelins (cause I already sttudied there for 3 years ) it was * compulsory * to use preexisting model sheets, it is part of the exercises they give us. If you look on the internet for Gobelins students exercices and demo reels you will find out we all use preexisting characters. these are not * fanarts * it's like, the closest thing you can find from professional work , cause in the industry no one will ask you for your style. They will ask you to follow the models the chara designer did, and it is very important for an animator to know how to do that. (I already worked on the industry btw and I can speak about that). It's also important in group projects, cause you have to animate in the style of someone else.
for these exercises I did in Gobelins they gave me grades like : 16, 17, 18, 19 out of 20.
Also, all my classmates who were taken for the masters had also a lots of characters not from them in their demo reels. So I don't think this is the reason of my rejection. actually I believe (and my teachers also confirmed) that my rejection was based on personal reasons, because I'm bothering the school *politically*. You can search in the comments for more details.
> what type of storytelling do you like
can someone pls tell, how to find info about what types exist? want to learn a little more about animation
I answered I like when I movie is poetic and I gave the example of the last movie I watched in theatre at the time : aftersun . I said I like when a mood is created without dialogue and I talked about the importance on details and music
I don't know I can do a list, evey movie is different, but you can definitely tell that the way to tell a story is different in terms of directing from a movie to the other
I'm curious, what school are you in right now since you were rejected by Gobelins? I'm also about to graduate highschool to be an animator, and Gobelins has always been an huge inspiration to me. And it kinda hurts me to see people such as you being rejected. :')
I finished my 3 years at Gobelins, now I was rejected for the masters exam, I just work at the cash register at an art supply shop and I do my personal stuff aside. Not super funny, but there's no job so...
You can follow me on Instagram if you're interested , I post sometimes about Gobelins.
Don't be too hard on yourself. It's not so hard to enter this school, they just had a personal thing against me.
@@celiaberland37 Aww, I wish you the best of the world and I hope everything will work out for you since you seem to be a nice and cool person though. Bonne chance ❤️❤️❤️
And I also hope you'll get to eat croissant again
@@indorianshell merci 💝
1:04 Wasn't it a missing piece here thought?
I cut it out because it's a professional work for an actual short movie and I can't show it before it's released on the internet
@@celiaberland37 Oh, I see!
I’ve also applied for the master this year but I was at the bottom of the waiting list😢
It’s really confusing to me about what they are looking for.
May I ask what questions you were asked during the oral exam?
Hello
I'm really sorry :(
I honestly think it's really random cause they don't take people that are really suited to choose. I think they do with the feeling more than with skills, and if they don't like ur face it's bad....
Anyway, as the people who try are all extra skilled, they San take anyone who was selected for the oral , it will be talented people. So why bother doing a real selection 🫠.
I noted the questions :
- introduce yourself
- what type of storytelling do you like
- how would you manage problems in a group project
- what is important so a project go well
- would you like to work on other people's projects
- would you like to work with international people
- was your change of class (french to international) intentional
- what would you like to lean during the masters
- is ur jacket a reference to hunter X Hunter (?wtf)
- do you have any questions to ask us.
Also they said they couldn't wait to see what I will do in the future cause I was very promising. But the school said the opposite when I asked about my rejection (not on the waiting list)
Also .... I saw that every person in the class who was rejected (8 people including me) we were all girls. Only 4 of us weren't on the waiting list
I feel quite angry cause I had really top grades during the 3 years even comparing the the class level. Like I don't know why I suddenly have no skills to their eyes anymore.
bruh abusé
I think I can see what they meant by "lack of personality". Some characters have rather flat expressions, though beautifully drawn, and the proportions of your characters are quite similar. Play around with oddly shaped characters. Maybe you could focus on experimenting with facial expressions, and being more expressive in general.
It really is lovely work, but I would love to see you experiment with working looser and focus on the bare bones of expressing emotions in your characters. This is not meant to offend you, but simply some advice. I hope you succeed in your future endeavours, and have a lovely year xxx
I hope I will be able to keep my taste for poetic and subtle animation instead of following a more generic view of what animation is in America, that will lead my work to look like the one of any other Disney Pixar artist.
I don't have a liking for American type of animation, don't you think I should keep it personal and not try to fit some standards that are not personal to me ?
Maybe that is what makes the french touch the french touch 🥖
college for art is such bs to me, i just dont understand
Haha I understand your point of view tho it is true than for animation it is a bit special , because it is an industry and except if you want to do experimental animation you need a lot of technical skills that are easier to learn in a school with teachers than alone
how the hell did you get rejected, even my lecturers animation isnt that smooth, granted im not at gobelins...
;-; well I told that in answer to other comments but I suspect the school did it for personal reasons cause they didn't like me personally ..... I would say for political reasons 😅 like... I was talking too much...
Should do some video on why I don't think Gobelins worths the money spent anymore
@@celiaberland37 isn't gobelins a French school? I here the French are pretty against literally anyone who isn't born and raised in France being in the majority of their industries TuT
@@sgrim_artz well.... Gobelins loves to say that they are really open minded and stuff...
@@sgrim_artz I mean the director himself if American
@@sgrim_artz most people i know are really happy to meet foreign people. But it's true there is a lot of racism in France.
Tho historically the racism doesn't apply to to artists for some reason 🤣 they love to say a lot of great foreign artists are living in France /are actually french u know 🥖 it's good for the reputation. Tho they don't do anything to make it easier for them lol
Sooo who tf are they letting in?
Everyone who looks like they will not politically bother them or not criticize their courses 😂😅
Where did you study animation? Wood elf king have to know...
2 years in Marseille in a public school then 3 years in Gobelins :) I was accepted for the bachelor , they just decided to kind of fire me for the masters for some reasons... The teachers there didn't understand. I have doe a comic in my Instagram highlights 🥴 about it. You can find me there @celia.berland
@@celiaberland37 Liels paldies Jums!
They made a mistake 😅
Tbh I from my perspective I think they reject individuals if they are too good you have to be teachable I guess
They said I should come back next year cause I was not good enough 🥴 also it's the master's degree so it's ment for people Who already worked or did at least 3 years of studies. There is no age or lvl limit really.
The problem with many artists will always be egocentrism, to the point they will end up doing the oposite of contribution to the field they love. I can only praise the uploader for managing to bring extremely refined work to life, this is the kind of thoughtful and true art that should impact people, instead of shows produced by sons of millionaires...