I think it makes men feel better to believe that women leave because they have someone else lined up rather than the reality that she would rather risk being alone than being unhappy with you.
@@JusticeWarriorTV agreed single life can be quite peaceful in comparison, my mom divorced 30 yrs ago never remarried and has no interest. I chose to use risk for the women who want to be partnered again.
This pastor harbours a lot of misogynoir. He pretends he loves and respects black women but the way he speaks of us a collective is very telling. He is basically saying that back in the 50’s and 60’s most bm were providing for their family but black women were so greedy, heartless and cruel that they didn’t feel it was enough, they wanted to live more extravagantly so they chose to kick the father of their children out so they could get that big fat government check instead??? First of all you are delusional if you think welfare benefits are that abundant, but the fact that he thinks so low of bw that they would happily tear their family apart for the chance at a few extra dollars says a lot about how he views bw.
I said this in the chat. That man basically said BW shoulda been happy 2 be poor with BM and that we aren't as good as WW. I live in the Dusty South. Every Dwight Mann ain't rich, and only 25-30% of white mothers r housewives. But they do generally have better lives, and we deserve better lives, too.
It was him saying black women wanted to go on vacation. So that was a deal breaker for BLK men??. To LEAVE and abandon their families. Like it made no sense at all !
The "welfare kicked BM out the home" argument pretty much admits that BM bring less value than SNAP benefits. Hypothetically, a BM would have to be eating more bacon than he's bringing home to get kicked out over a tiny check. _That's_ the center of that whole argument.
THIS!! I teach a Religious Trauma Syndrome course and Black Women are still in the church because they believe that God is a man and dwells in the sky outside of them. This is where the worship of MEN come from. This was a deliberate teaching, and comes from the Bible.
It gives them respite, even in toxicity and labour exploitation. Those few hours of praise and at times soothing words, anchor them to some sort of collective, a sense of belonging.
I don’t like this whole good man entitlement. “Because I’m a good man i deserve this type of caliber of women that I desire.” And if she don’t pick me or isn’t forced to lower her preference or standards then she’s unreasonable or unrealistic. People just gonna have to get over the fact that people aren’t obligated to date or sleep with you based off “YOUR” desire for them. They’re are other things that goes into that
I think realistic 2 them means "accept this bad situation and stop waiting 4 better." Many BW have told me I won't find a man like what I want or that I don't deserve such a man. Nevermind that I am literally everything I want. They settled cuz they can't be alone. They want all women 2 be like that. I love when they say I'll never find anyone. I say, "U mean I'll never find anyone BLACK." They get mad! They get very aggressive when I say, "Okay. I don't need anyone." They're highly threatened by women who don't prioritize men.
@@luthorforpresident9353 and that’s all that is they want you to have no standards and settle with any low quality man, rather then be okay with the idea of possibility of being alone because you have a high standard for a men because you not just gonna take anybody just because.
When Celie tried to walk away from Mister pointed out that she was black, stupid, ugly, a woman and how no one was going to want her. The black manosphere echo similar sentiments all the time so when the pastor said most bm were not like Mister he was capping. The black manosphere is the personification of Mister from the Color Purple. There are so many parallels with that movie and the bm and bw relations today. BW please remember how Celie life turned around and she finally came into her own when she did have the guts to leave and choose herself.
Yep. The BC is exactly like Color Purple. Mister choose Celie because she's all he could get and hated her. According to SparkNotes, the theme of impregnating a woman to become her owner and master was clear in the book. Interesting........
I wish the disingenuous lying would stop. Most men do not want FULL custody of their children. Because as much as they love to complain about child support and the family courts being biased in favor of women they know what an incredible hard job it is to be a full time custodian single parent and also how much more expensive it is than the measly $400 dollars a month the average non-custodial parent is paying. Day care costs alone far exceed the money paid in CS, on top of that you also have to factor in all the other expenses you have as well as lost income when you have to stay home and take care of your sick child (and children are sick a lot). You are tied down and have almost no time for yourself unless you get a baby sitter. Forget about going out with the boys to the bar on a whim, you can’t go anywhere without the kids unless you find a baby sitter. And you might have to pay for that baby sitter as well. Most men do not want their freedom and financies infringed on like this. They prefer the freedom of being the non-custodial parent and be able to complain and whine about how they would prefer to be more in their children’s life but the baby mama won’t let them.
Perfect summary of the situation. They DO NOT want sole custody of their children. Although most of us mothers love our children, it’s obvious that children hold you back. You have to prioritise their needs over your own, and if you can’t do that, just don’t have any. Mothering is the most selfless act, if you do it properly, and to the best of your ability.
I'm gonna say it. Myron is deeply DEEPLY closeted, deeper than Narnia deep, and he projects his internalised hatred onto women. He doesn't like women on a social /personal level and hes been very vocal on his show about hes not interested in a woman's s3xual pleasure. Hes constantly comparing himself to women but he doesn't seem to know anything about women.
I wish we could move away from the idea that every misogynistic man out there is secretly gay. Myron is not gay just because he looks down on women. He is a misogynist. Misogyny has been a pervasive problem in many cultures throughout thousands of years. The vast majority of men 50-60 years ago were misogynists. Are we to believe that the majority of men were gay 60 years ago?
To hear that man say women had to choose assistance or theor family is so alarming. A woman who choose 150 a month in assistance over a man means he wasnt even contributing that for her to choose that .
Furthermore, IDK how these dudes were raised but I told my son “your genitals are YOUR business & YOUR responsibility to protect. Men & women protect theirselves with condoms & bc respectively. Cover YOUR A$$ by taking care of YOUR end. Saying someone didn’t ask you to put a condom on YOUR genitals will NEVER be an excuse.“ This laziness Men have in personal responsibility is ridiculous.
Lightning: “I have a girlfriend and I live in the hood,” then proceeds to tell black women that they aren’t asking the “right questions” on dates to find a good black man. Dude, your relationship is literally the prime example of black women deciding to date down, just to have a black man. Got that woman in the housing projects… Smh. That was honestly embarrassing listening to him speak.
Wrong! What these "men" aren't telling you is it's Bm who've dating down when dealing with Bw. 54% of Bm don't have any kids. 64% have worked their way into the middle class And these men are being asked to marry thick women who have kids by other men already. When no ethnic group of men in America are asked to do that. And when these single Bm started expanding their dating pool to women outside of the hood, it's the first time they're experiencing women who're Fit, Feminine, Friendly & Inspirational. And who're in shape and who aren't bringing somebody else's kids to the relationship. Delusional Bw and make Panderers are creating your Illusions
After this video, I will never have a discussion with a black man again ever in my life 😒 this i so embarrassing 😳. Don’t know nothing but knows everything, I can not.
That’s them alright. Confidently dumb ASF. Blood pressure through the roof trying to have a conversation and you might stroke out in an argument dealing with their idiocy.
That pastor was making excuses for why black men don’t fight for their children. My black father spend a lot of money and had to save everything to fight for my sister and I. He won! Most men don’t fight for their kids but when they do, as Themis said they have a higher chance of winning. These same men can afford Jordan’s, ps4/ps5, and they consistently fritter their money away but can’t afford a lawyer?! Again my father fought for me when he was very young before he started making what he is today and he still was able to get full custody and afford a great upbringing for me and my siblings as a single father. He moved us from the city to the suburbs and he went without so we could go with. These men don’t want to take care of their kids or get custody, they just want to blame the system and black women.
And he has a bw wife?.hmmmmm mm Yeahhh male family member are often dangerous, because they often want to touch the kids. Pastoooor why did you not ask that question?? So it is women's fault that the men were weak and unworthy?? The whyyte men has to take care of your family?? But you are the MEN though????
These men are working overtime desperately trying to restore their tattered reputation and they are tossing the women and the children under the bus to do it. Weaving more lies and fairytales than Aesop. This entire exchange just saddened me. Themis, the level of patience and grace you bestowed upon this individual is astounding. You are truly one of a kind, my friend ❤❤
Single Bm 54% of whom have no kids aren't tossing anybody aside. Those Bm have standards like Eboni Williams. And they're not responsible for assuming the responsibility of many single thick women who already have somebody else's kids. My bw mother told me don't ever bring home a ready made family. For years bw have been talking about their standards while expecting Bm to settle for many women who were overweight and bringing somebody else's kids to the relationship. The facts are 54% of Bm don't have any children that means that these Bm are well within their rights to say, " I want a woman who's in shape who lady like and who don't have any kids. Now dispute what I'm saying. And if you do find a single average man with no kids who might be willing to step in then you ladies are going to have to learn how to be cooperative towards those men. And you can't accuse the 54% of Bm who have no kids of being deadbeats.
Also that $400 a month in child support is much less than that man would have been spending on his wife and kids under the same roof. Child support is to make sure the now absent father continues to financially support his offspring. So stop acting like men are throwing out exorbitant amounts of money to women
He triggered me with the why bw have unprotected sex. So obviously he believes that bw aren't coerced, forced and tricked (when dudes take condom off). We all know a lot of bm hate condoms. Some of us chose to leave them alone bc of this pathology among other things.
Please if black male especially wants custody of their children it is only to keep from paying the woman child support and for her to have to pay him child support instead.
@3:38:28 “…but women file at a higher rate then men!” Absolutely! “Those men” do not want to lose a maid, servant, nurse, childcare provider, doormat and sex provider!😮
It's time to divest from anything or anyone that doesn't measure up to your standards, boundaries or requirements. As women we are not the carers of men. Men are required to stand on their own and if he cannot, don't give him the time of day. Women birth children, so a man that can't provide a good life and environment doesn't qualify for marriage and children. Stop grading BM on a curve. If he doesn't have the characteristics you desire than weed him out of the gene pool. Ladies we have the ability to improve our community in 2-3 generations if we increase our requirements.
I made the mistake believing in blk love, religion etc! I support women doing EVERYTHING you said! Go girl 🎉 Don’t be a married single mother to a divorced single mother. It’s not easy and took my life away. 😅
4:14:24 And here's one of the huge problems we are facing: black men are emotionally and mentally protecting themselves and other black men from the reputation of being molesters and grapists (it's a human behavior). They go into cognitive dissonance mode to protect their psyche and throw the bath water with the baby in it. There's a real sense of brotherhood among black men that - if they have to choose between calling out bad behaviors or keep the brotherhood intact - they will choose to keep the status quo while shifting all the weight of culpability towards the women. I found the overall conversation very good, by the way. Thank to the pastor for coming. 👍
That’s toxic brotherhood: If your reputation is sullied by dangerous individuals, You would actively fight against them You would dissociate,shun and ostracized them . Then actively work, in words and deeds, to restore a modicum of honor and integrity to your reputation ?! Hell, the Yakuza do It. And Lord knows they’re bad people. Ultimately a brother’s keeper should tell the truth and confront his brother. That’s real brotherhood ! But they’re too busy protecting what? Dustopia and throneless, impotent kangz.🥴
I said it during the live & I'm going to say it again. These men like Myron want to be bad B's. They are upset at the attention that women get & it comes out as aggression. Listen to the coded language. And the cruel irony is, men set those standards.
Exactly! I noticed that Lightning mentioned something about how BW should court these men on dates. Then he spoke with resentment about how many likes they get on social media. I don’t know why they claim to want feminine women when they are feminine themselves and on top of that they are not even friendly.
@@ladybug3380 I mean we can go the biologically route as well. I'm simply stating that it's an irony that men complain about women getting attention when those same men put women on a pedestal.
Every time Themis made a valid point Lightning switched to a different one. Taking Themis through an odyssey of blame and dislike for black women. I have been down this road with guys like this. They come in saying that the blame should be on both parties but after you’ve been in conversation with them long enough, you’ll see that they just want the blame on one group. Black women.
@ 5:46:55 “Their heads are big!” This👆🏾caller, like many men, resent the fact that black women have “raised” their standards ! They “blame” black women for the faults and failures of black men. He was very condescending and dismissive!
Watching a man try explain sheer delusional, while also realizing he's COMPLETELY miseducated on something he thought he had down to a science - makes the back of my leg itch. Every time a man starts a sentence with, "here's the thing...", I automatically know he's grasping for straws and needs a break to regroup his unfounded, baseless argument. It never fails. Smmfh 🙄😒
Sooo what are the right questions that women should ask on dates....dude never answered the question?? he just wanted to complain, not give a tangible solution... and why is it that men who aren't single care so much about what everyone else is doing???
Lol that’s my question. I’m thinking their marriages and life must be so boring or uneventful for them to be so concerned with us Single for life ppl - cause we sure are NOT checking and wanting marriage
@@jue827 that’s the issue 🤣🤣 it’s His opinion - no facts, data, logic - No One but his “wife” wants him but he’s running around blabbing to ppl that aren’t checking for him & DEF don’t want a man like him - he’s married (she def took one for the team lol) he’s outta the game - yet he’s out here telling ppl his opinions 🥴🤥🤣🤣 No one is “ irritated” - We are Laughing at him Not with him ☺️😂
@@masixchell ....then why did u watch...lol..and yes people have opinions without data ..or facts (thats what makes them opinions)....some of ya'll don't think when posting comments...have a good one👍
That’s a bold face lie him saying that men are realistic about there’s options. No they aren’t, all these podcast dedicated to entitlement of a certain woman they want that don’t want them.
It's amazing that they can say that having a child is like playing the game of life with a handicap (even when the scenario is that the mother will be caring for the child too...probably moreso). Yet they think that mothers getting the child in a divorce while the father leaves with no assistance beyond child support is somehow women "winning". Somehow it's not a handicap for women to have to care for a child alone while trying to navigate life. Tbh any man stupid enough to get a surgery because he heard some idiotic RUclipsr told them to probably should get the surgery done. Not everyone needs to procreate. Some genes can die out. We'll be fine.
Most ppl shouldn't procreate. Ppl have kids cuz they want someone 2 love or love them. If they loved their kids they'd protect them, and I know they aren't doin that cuz I'm one of the 60%.
JD Caudle was thoroughly frustrating. The sad part was that he seemed to take everything he’d heard at face value and even continued to deny the truth after Themis made it clear, with valid source material. Why are men like Caudle living in such denial?
Actually "The Color Purple" was based on the true story of the author's grandmother. So it is not fully fiction. And most of the experiences of the women in that movie, I saw or knew of, growing up. Not sure why men blame Oprah for "The Color Purple" movie when it was directed by Steven Spielberg. She only played a character. I don't like how you coddled this slow dude though Themis. I wish you would have debated or talked to someone else more honest. He was disingenuous
They blame Oprah because they feel she’s easiest target based on her not being their preference. Also, they are pissed no Black man has taken half her money. 🤷🏾♀️
What kills me is they always talk about The Color Purple, but never talk about Blaxploitation films, rap and those 90s gangster movies. That's what really ruined their image
5:45:39 No my ex husband and I don’t get along and he has 50/50 custody of our 14 year old. He’s the minority. Still a horrible partner btw. We don’t talk or communicate at all. But he still is an active father. Physically and financially. Because he wants to be. This guy is unknowingly saying that once a relationship ends that black men can’t be adult enough to be a parent without being involved with the mother. He’s saying the quiet part out loud.
Men do think like this. My father did this. Once my mother didn’t want him anymore I saw my dad every 3 years I swear. Then when he got married to a younger woman. And she left him too. He no longer wanted anything to do with my little sister. It’s truly disgusting.
Most men are codependent and mainly stuck in their low sexual nature, they are not able to show up as whole people in their relationships, so when the relationship ends, and they can't have access to you and the missing pieces you filled for them, they detach completely.
I don't think this guy is grifting, I actually think he believes what he's saying, he kept referencing TLA like he was a research professor...this is scary.
I would have left when he asked why Steven Crowders wife left. These men are really trying to excuse Crowder abusing his pregnant wife. Smh the future is doomed.
@@thatimokoena8357 Agreed. No hyper conservative men who tend to abuse women and own them like slaves for one, no hood dudes, especially no hood preachers, and no one without emotional and academic intelligence. Anyone who doesn't like therapy is out, and people who are "too perfect"(it's called love bombing) and is pushing for marriage under a year are abusers faking until they have you trapped. The Gift of Fear should be mandatory reading. As well as the Body Keeps the Score. Then we can talk about being in a relationship with this person.
3:22:30 Men (regardless of race) are and has been receiving FOOD STAMPS (AKA) Snap WITHOUT having custody of any children. As a County employee for over 16years this is a kNOWN FACT. The determination is based on INCOME NOT IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN @Themis & Thoth
The man in the home rule was abolished in 1968. It Lasted for 4 years. It was not National, it only applied to certain states. As a matter of facts, only 6 state had “man in the house rule”.
4:12:30 Anyone else notice how the pastor talked about his marriage? Themis asked him aren’t you a marriage? Yes I am married. I like to come home. I like spending time with my kids. He never said he had a good happy or wonderful marriage. He didn’t even said he had a loving wife, nor did talked them have a good relationship or a loving relationship. In his reference to his marriage, he doesn’t refer to his wife or the other partner in that marriage. His massage is crystal clear and where he stands and how he feels about women. Especially those women that can take care of themselves in a competent manner.
I think a lot of women should start sending they sons to there dads when they get to their pre-teens, since these men wants they kids sooooo bad give them too them.
@@Coco-nq3vg thanks Coco 😃 I didn't know I would LOVE being the non custodial parent this much. But I guess Christmas and summer vacations with dad prepared me for this glorious time in my life 💕
Whew chile…that F&F podcast is hard to watch. I feel like I lost some brain cells 😬 The sad thing is that we know these people can’t define “high value man” because they don’t want to alienate their base. This is just a money grab to them smh Preying on the minds of impressionable young men and women….disgusting!
Themis truly has the patience of Job. Intellectually, they are not your equals and I understand why you handle them so gingerly. It's like you're talking to third graders.
Thanks again for proving our point Themis. This is a Pastor and he came on lying about being sick. Princella made him look horrible also 🤦🏾♀️. He saw your emails for sure
@4:02:25 “….women are looking over me….!” Women are also rejecting men that “present well” yet they have the same mindset, characteristics and behaviors as the men with “dirty fingernails!”
I suspect that Rollo, or whatever his name is, probably meant that tweet exactly as he wrote it...to be advice. The issue he has is that now he had to sit and watch that F&F panel and realized how stupid his tweet was so he backed out and pretended that it wasn't advice. He was forced to sit and watch a table full of people diving into it, showing how other people interpret it, giving some pushback and actually talking about how his advice would play out in the real world (esp among the sort of idiots who listen to him). That man had to change gears and go up to defend himself because he couldn't let his dumb tweet look even more dumb when filter through the lips of F&F (with help from the dude that isn't Destiny). It's actually hilarious to watch The Grandaddy of the Manosphere show us where the gaslighting, goal post shifting, lying, manipulation and double-speak originally came from. Except instead of using it against women or men with some semblance of intelligence like the manosphere does, he's using it against new gen manosphere people. I feel like this is the first time these guys ever got a taste of their own medicine in terms of having all of this deceitfulness aimed their way. You can actually see them get frustrated, confused and full of disbelief in the exact same way we are when they talk. It's wild.
The funny thing is that if had simply humbled himself and said, “ok, what I really meant was to NOT start a family at a young age and probably went overboard with the vasectomy thing” he would have saved face and wouldn’t look so foolish but his fragile ego couldn’t do that.😂
It’s “How To Sew Your Wild Oats” 101! These men want to come up with a strategy to present themselves as “high value” men in order to gain access to as many women as possible!
These men keep telling on themselves. They be having conversations about stuff they know NOTHING about and it’s frustrating!!!! stuff . You still have to work . I mean what is he even
@1:16:06 “I don’t know why you’re mad!” They want to emphasize that they didn’t have a child out of wedlock because they were married, yet they “became” single mothers after the divorce! Married women that don’t have “help” raising their children are married single mothers. Mother’s that have been “abandoned” by their husbands are married single mothers! Different “circumstances” with the same outcome!
Well I’m still kind of exhausted with the exchange around the single mother topic. Great content overall. Keep exposing these grifter type content creators 👏🏾
I have never discounted men, and I have never grouped every single BM in one category. Or thought all men ain't shit despite the day to day encounters myself and other women have experienced. Until now, because these men are very comfortable on the Internet with this drunken mindset that has them professing sobering thoughts. There's an obvious resentment probably even hatred that they all have in common towards BW. But they will say it's vice versa which is delusional. BW are complaining about being mistreated, and BM are blaming everyone else for the issues bought to them. That's a huge difference. BW are saying I need this to stop, I need you to change. While BM are saying you are asking me to change and you are bullying me, you should take me as I am, and contort your life to fit my liking. Just be happy I'm here, even though I'm not.
Myron wants a woman with no self-esteem, little to no standards and minimal self worth! This way, she will cling to him emotionally and depend on him financially!
he wanted so badly to defend BM, and as each talking point crumpled to dust, i almost felt sorry for him, except i know he won't stop, reflect, and revise.
This was hard to watch and listen to this seasoned man spout and mimic such thin, baseless points with no ability to substantiate, he kept touting TLA as if it was some kind of an encyclopedia or research study. This is scary, this man is a pastor and wholly unable to think critically even in the face of salient points from Themis.😮
3:19:20 So far JD seems genuine. I don’t want to be disrespectful, however, these people really be up here sharing their opinions, but be loud and wrong about the facts. How are you expounding on a topic that you haven’t fully researched? It’s frustrating. I never heard of him, but I’m guessing he has a following that blindly believes everything he says smh
@3:42:30 “We might not be able to go on vacation 3 times a year!” Sir, YOU might not be able! A woman that wants to go on vacation 3 times a year can take herself! 💞 I know a young lady that takes a vacation with her friends, another with her children, another by herself and another if she has a significant other!
Because he’s not a real Pastor with an education. He probably got it from universal life church, on the Internet. It takes about 60 seconds to fill out the form and Bam you can be a pastor, reverend, etc. you choose your title he’s extremely lacking in the department of intelligence.
Re-watching this I didn't comment the first time I watched. Honestly if the pastor likes TLA and Kevin Samuels, it's something not to overlook. That there is a red flag. I understand the comradery but making excuses for grown men is bad. This is why they go on behaving like young and teenage boys.
The term "high value" is nauseating to say the least, but I don't necessarily disagree with that list. It's worded in a way to make it more appealing to 'that' crowd, but he basically said: 1. Don't get married in your youth, which I agree with. Maybe don't get married at all depending on the person. 2. Avoid producing children, absolutely. 3. Birth Control, and if you know you don't want kids, permanent birth control. 4. Maintain your health and physique. 5. Stay off drugs. 6. Charisma and Networking, crucially important in your youth 7. Know your strengths and use them to your advantage, absolutely 8. Stay Focused on your goals I can't will myself to listen to clips of that podcast, but reading the tweet highlighted, it wasn't necessarily bad advice.
Yes. Which is why it's odd when the men who run the podcasts talk about a high value man being one who has sex with multiple partners, I think one of the even wrote a book on just that, sex. Yet a high value man should be one that marries a young virgin. Nothing about what the podcast men talk about is high value per that list.
I've seen much of JD and I think he means well...just in a different reality. One that exists but is of a lower vibration than the one we're currently shifting to. Facts, there are levels to this and a lot of people are going to come to the realization that their patriarchal religion is all rooted in hatred of the feminine. Even if people assert they don't believe or practice, they still have many layers to grow before they realize how much it has shaped their ego/perception. Letting it go means pain and deep self reflection...and a lot of people ain't equipped for that.
The speaker tends to preface that he doesn’t condone what he ends up condoning in his following sentence. He did this while talking about 🍇 & crime. In the discussion about 🍇, he proved Themis’ point by being defensive and not acknowledging how pervasive 🍇 has been because of anecdotes.
I hope this doesn’t come off wrong Themis. But the fact that dusty has a gf that watched your channels shows BW needs to be more accountable. There is no way in HELL a dusty can say those things and be partnered with a black women that is engaged with your work.
@@ghost99100 the guy who came on who said he lived in the hood and had a girlfriend…she probably thinks he’s “one of the good ones” although they’re both in the hood…
@@ghost99100 I refuse hood men. Going on 11 years strong with my male partner. It really is that simple. You can find diamonds in the dumpster, just not often. The hood is not a place to be feminine or submissive. That'll get you graped and tossed aside very quickly. It's a place for hard men and women to survive. If we want different attitudes from the BC we need to all get out of places that promote what we don't like.
I think it makes men feel better to believe that women leave because they have someone else lined up rather than the reality that she would rather risk being alone than being unhappy with you.
I don’t see it as a risk i see it as peaceful. The risk is being with them.
@@JusticeWarriorTV agreed single life can be quite peaceful in comparison, my mom divorced 30 yrs ago never remarried and has no interest. I chose to use risk for the women who want to be partnered again.
they live in their delusion
@misspuddin87 🎯
Every time
When someone says “so here’s the thing…” they will most certainly not tell or show you the thing 🚩🚩🚩😂
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@@muadhnate 🤣🤣🤣
And he sure didn’t. He slowly rambled a lot of nonsense.
But you didn’t get the full context 🫠
Welfare, feminism, women file 70% of divorce, child support. Wash, rinse, repeat 🙄
Where will the child free virgins to marry come from if all men sleep with fifty women each?
Oop and they don’t even marry the virgin woman
Sis you did not hear it? 😂😂😂😂 they just fall from the skyyyyy
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@@NiobeNeo 😂😂😂 you must be stopped 😂😂
This pastor harbours a lot of misogynoir. He pretends he loves and respects black women but the way he speaks of us a collective is very telling. He is basically saying that back in the 50’s and 60’s most bm were providing for their family but black women were so greedy, heartless and cruel that they didn’t feel it was enough, they wanted to live more extravagantly so they chose to kick the father of their children out so they could get that big fat government check instead??? First of all you are delusional if you think welfare benefits are that abundant, but the fact that he thinks so low of bw that they would happily tear their family apart for the chance at a few extra dollars says a lot about how he views bw.
Completely agree
I said this in the chat. That man basically said BW shoulda been happy 2 be poor with BM and that we aren't as good as WW. I live in the Dusty South. Every Dwight Mann ain't rich, and only 25-30% of white mothers r housewives. But they do generally have better lives, and we deserve better lives, too.
It was him saying black women wanted to go on vacation. So that was a deal breaker for BLK men??. To LEAVE and abandon their families. Like it made no sense at all !
bingo! well said.
The "welfare kicked BM out the home" argument pretty much admits that BM bring less value than SNAP benefits. Hypothetically, a BM would have to be eating more bacon than he's bringing home to get kicked out over a tiny check. _That's_ the center of that whole argument.
Black women, have whatever beliefs but I do not understand why black women are still in the church when men like this are leadership in the church.
THIS!! I teach a Religious Trauma Syndrome course and Black Women are still in the church because they believe that God is a man and dwells in the sky outside of them. This is where the worship of MEN come from. This was a deliberate teaching, and comes from the Bible.
That's why I left
It gives them respite, even in toxicity and labour exploitation. Those few hours of praise and at times soothing words, anchor them to some sort of collective, a sense of belonging.
BW allow their abuse in the church. BM make up religious garbage
@@LoveLifeJoy24 The bible is inherently misogynistic...🤣
I don’t like this whole good man entitlement. “Because I’m a good man i deserve this type of caliber of women that I desire.” And if she don’t pick me or isn’t forced to lower her preference or standards then she’s unreasonable or unrealistic. People just gonna have to get over the fact that people aren’t obligated to date or sleep with you based off “YOUR” desire for them. They’re are other things that goes into that
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That's her PREFERENCE! 😂
@@luthorforpresident9353 exactly if men can have a preference, so can women.
I think realistic 2 them means "accept this bad situation and stop waiting 4 better." Many BW have told me I won't find a man like what I want or that I don't deserve such a man. Nevermind that I am literally everything I want. They settled cuz they can't be alone. They want all women 2 be like that. I love when they say I'll never find anyone. I say, "U mean I'll never find anyone BLACK." They get mad! They get very aggressive when I say, "Okay. I don't need anyone." They're highly threatened by women who don't prioritize men.
@@luthorforpresident9353 and that’s all that is they want you to have no standards and settle with any low quality man, rather then be okay with the idea of possibility of being alone because you have a high standard for a men because you not just gonna take anybody just because.
When Celie tried to walk away from Mister pointed out that she was black, stupid, ugly, a woman and how no one was going to want her.
The black manosphere echo similar sentiments all the time so when the pastor said most bm were not like Mister he was capping. The black manosphere is the personification of Mister from the Color Purple. There are so many parallels with that movie and the bm and bw relations today.
BW please remember how Celie life turned around and she finally came into her own when she did have the guts to leave and choose herself.
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Yep. The BC is exactly like Color Purple. Mister choose Celie because she's all he could get and hated her. According to SparkNotes, the theme of impregnating a woman to become her owner and master was clear in the book. Interesting........
Yup they spew verbal and emotional abuse at BW every chance they get.
Mister wanted the woman he couldn't handle (Sug) and Sug hated Mister. Sug didn't coddle him, didn't make excuses for him she barely talked to him.
@@bougie-nel362 And then they found that picture of a WW in his floorboards. That' who he really wanted
I wish the disingenuous lying would stop. Most men do not want FULL custody of their children. Because as much as they love to complain about child support and the family courts being biased in favor of women they know what an incredible hard job it is to be a full time custodian single parent and also how much more expensive it is than the measly $400 dollars a month the average non-custodial parent is paying. Day care costs alone far exceed the money paid in CS, on top of that you also have to factor in all the other expenses you have as well as lost income when you have to stay home and take care of your sick child (and children are sick a lot). You are tied down and have almost no time for yourself unless you get a baby sitter. Forget about going out with the boys to the bar on a whim, you can’t go anywhere without the kids unless you find a baby sitter. And you might have to pay for that baby sitter as well. Most men do not want their freedom and financies infringed on like this. They prefer the freedom of being the non-custodial parent and be able to complain and whine about how they would prefer to be more in their children’s life but the baby mama won’t let them.
Perfect summary of the situation. They DO NOT want sole custody of their children. Although most of us mothers love our children, it’s obvious that children hold you back. You have to prioritise their needs over your own, and if you can’t do that, just don’t have any.
Mothering is the most selfless act, if you do it properly, and to the best of your ability.
@@jaijai5250 that’s the problem, men are selfish not selfless
I'm gonna say it. Myron is deeply DEEPLY closeted, deeper than Narnia deep, and he projects his internalised hatred onto women.
He doesn't like women on a social /personal level and hes been very vocal on his show about hes not interested in a woman's s3xual pleasure. Hes constantly comparing himself to women but he doesn't seem to know anything about women.
It could that he has been hurt by a woman in his past who knows 🤷♀️🤷♀️
He is competing with women.
@@thatimokoena8357 wasn't there pictures of him rolled up in bed with some men floating around the internet?
I wish we could move away from the idea that every misogynistic man out there is secretly gay. Myron is not gay just because he looks down on women. He is a misogynist. Misogyny has been a pervasive problem in many cultures throughout thousands of years. The vast majority of men 50-60 years ago were misogynists. Are we to believe that the majority of men were gay 60 years ago?
Pictures have surfaced of Myron with a clear guy! People are in denial about who he really is!
To hear that man say women had to choose assistance or theor family is so alarming. A woman who choose 150 a month in assistance over a man means he wasnt even contributing that for her to choose that .
Furthermore, IDK how these dudes were raised but I told my son
“your genitals are YOUR business & YOUR responsibility to protect. Men & women protect theirselves with condoms & bc respectively. Cover YOUR A$$ by taking care of YOUR end. Saying someone didn’t ask you to put a condom on YOUR genitals will NEVER be an excuse.“
This laziness Men have in personal responsibility is ridiculous.
Lightning: “I have a girlfriend and I live in the hood,” then proceeds to tell black women that they aren’t asking the “right questions” on dates to find a good black man. Dude, your relationship is literally the prime example of black women deciding to date down, just to have a black man. Got that woman in the housing projects… Smh. That was honestly embarrassing listening to him speak.
@Belle As you should. I’m happy you’ve burned the cape too. Go where you’re adored, provided for, and protected. 💕
A girlfriend that avidly watches t&t at that. SMH.
Wrong! What these "men" aren't telling you is it's Bm who've dating down when dealing with Bw. 54% of Bm don't have any kids. 64% have worked their way into the middle class
And these men are being asked to marry thick women who have kids by other men already.
When no ethnic group of men in America are asked to do that.
And when these single Bm started expanding their dating pool to women outside of the hood, it's the first time they're experiencing women who're Fit, Feminine, Friendly & Inspirational. And who're in shape and who aren't bringing somebody else's kids to the relationship.
Delusional Bw and make Panderers are creating your Illusions
That male was a straight clown. I don't believe he has a girlfriend. He is trying to convince BW to lower their standards so he will qualify.
@@iboprincess1 he is so unintelligent. I can’t imagine the woman he is with because she hast to be so stupid in order to be with him
After this video, I will never have a discussion with a black man again ever in my life 😒 this i so embarrassing 😳. Don’t know nothing but knows everything, I can not.
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That’s them alright. Confidently dumb ASF. Blood pressure through the roof trying to have a conversation and you might stroke out in an argument dealing with their idiocy.
That pastor was making excuses for why black men don’t fight for their children. My black father spend a lot of money and had to save everything to fight for my sister and I. He won! Most men don’t fight for their kids but when they do, as Themis said they have a higher chance of winning. These same men can afford Jordan’s, ps4/ps5, and they consistently fritter their money away but can’t afford a lawyer?! Again my father fought for me when he was very young before he started making what he is today and he still was able to get full custody and afford a great upbringing for me and my siblings as a single father. He moved us from the city to the suburbs and he went without so we could go with. These men don’t want to take care of their kids or get custody, they just want to blame the system and black women.
All Ima say is…it is CLEAR most people don’t think for themselves anymore. Pastor Pookie contradicted himself and repeated manosphere talking points
Pastor pooki y'all like projecting on men you don't even know personally and that the problem with the bw in USA.
Pastor pookie 😂
And he has a bw wife?.hmmmmm mm
Yeahhh male family member are often dangerous, because they often want to touch the kids. Pastoooor why did you not ask that question??
So it is women's fault that the men were weak and unworthy??
The whyyte men has to take care of your family?? But you are the MEN though????
The Manosphere draws heavily from the religious white patriarchy. So, it's hard for a pastor of color not to draw from it.
These men are working overtime desperately trying to restore their tattered reputation and they are tossing the women and the children under the bus to do it. Weaving more lies and fairytales than Aesop.
This entire exchange just saddened me.
Themis, the level of patience and grace you bestowed upon this individual is astounding. You are truly one of a kind, my friend ❤❤
An unsuccessful PR Campaign.
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Facts on facts
@@Mizanthrobeits insane
Single Bm 54% of whom have no kids aren't tossing anybody aside.
Those Bm have standards like Eboni Williams.
And they're not responsible for assuming the responsibility of many single thick women who already have somebody else's kids.
My bw mother told me don't ever bring home a ready made family.
For years bw have been talking about their standards while expecting Bm to settle for many women who were overweight and bringing somebody else's kids to the relationship.
The facts are 54% of Bm don't have any children that means that these Bm are well within their rights to say, " I want a woman who's in shape who lady like and who don't have any kids. Now dispute what I'm saying.
And if you do find a single average man with no kids who might be willing to step in then you ladies are going to have to learn how to be cooperative towards those men.
And you can't accuse the 54% of Bm who have no kids of being deadbeats.
I’m extremely concerned about the brain cells that I’ve lost from listening to these men’s arguments. Sheesh.
Also that $400 a month in child support is much less than that man would have been spending on his wife and kids under the same roof. Child support is to make sure the now absent father continues to financially support his offspring. So stop acting like men are throwing out exorbitant amounts of money to women
“Myron sounds just as dumb as the ugly, I men other one” Hahaha!!!!
😂😂ya'll are probably the women men talk about..they always get the most upset...why u have to insult people just because u disagree....
Same. The nail in the coffin for BM is their remedial level of thinking. It's hopeless. They are lost to their egos and cognitive dissonance.
Why is it that bm are leaders until it comes to taking responsibility for themselves and their community?
JD sounds like Angry Man without the anger.
He triggered me with the why bw have unprotected sex. So obviously he believes that bw aren't coerced, forced and tricked (when dudes take condom off). We all know a lot of bm hate condoms. Some of us chose to leave them alone bc of this pathology among other things.
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How did I know he was going to bring up that convo between Eboni and Iyanla “Dances With Dust” Vanzant 😂
"Dances with dust" has me screaming 😂😂😂😂😂
@@sugarwaterpurple5280 😂😂
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@@sugarwaterpurple5280 I just hollered so loud!!!
Please if black male especially wants custody of their children it is only to keep from paying the woman child support and for her to have to pay him child support instead.
Facts
@3:38:28
“…but women file at a higher rate then men!”
Absolutely!
“Those men” do not want to lose a maid, servant, nurse, childcare provider, doormat and sex provider!😮
Your right
It's time to divest from anything or anyone that doesn't measure up to your standards, boundaries or requirements. As women we are not the carers of men. Men are required to stand on their own and if he cannot, don't give him the time of day. Women birth children, so a man that can't provide a good life and environment doesn't qualify for marriage and children. Stop grading BM on a curve. If he doesn't have the characteristics you desire than weed him out of the gene pool. Ladies we have the ability to improve our community in 2-3 generations if we increase our requirements.
The grading "Curve" YES!!! All of this!!!
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I made the mistake believing in blk love, religion etc! I support women doing EVERYTHING you said! Go girl 🎉 Don’t be a married single mother to a divorced single mother. It’s not easy and took my life away. 😅
A lot of women don’t acknowledge the power they own. Why complain about how bad BM are but still date/have their children, that’s crazy to me,
"Stop grading BM on a curve" is something I say all the time! When they are not gifted a handicap, they fail to measure up in so many ways.
His name is SNEAKO!!! What do you expect him to do! 😂
He brought up Ruby Bridges, a little girl who was standing up to the system, as a comparison to why black men couldn't. Seriously?
4:14:24 And here's one of the huge problems we are facing: black men are emotionally and mentally protecting themselves and other black men from the reputation of being molesters and grapists (it's a human behavior). They go into cognitive dissonance mode to protect their psyche and throw the bath water with the baby in it. There's a real sense of brotherhood among black men that - if they have to choose between calling out bad behaviors or keep the brotherhood intact - they will choose to keep the status quo while shifting all the weight of culpability towards the women. I found the overall conversation very good, by the way. Thank to the pastor for coming. 👍
Not to mention the predatory nature of men with women & much younger girls. It’s so disgusting.
That’s toxic brotherhood:
If your reputation is sullied by dangerous individuals, You would actively fight against them
You would dissociate,shun and ostracized them .
Then actively work, in words and deeds, to restore a modicum of honor and integrity to your reputation ?!
Hell, the Yakuza do It.
And Lord knows they’re bad people.
Ultimately a brother’s keeper should tell the truth and confront his brother.
That’s real brotherhood !
But they’re too busy protecting what? Dustopia and throneless, impotent kangz.🥴
Exactly! And how does he align with TLA? Bm always protect other bm degenerates.
@Tyana The good black men are just like the others...
@@bubullibooooo9928 i don't think so, you just can't vet properly and please stop projecting your bad decisions onto other men it's weird
When that man said slavery and APARTHEID it took me out. What next “The holocaust took BM out of the home” 😂
He sounded young 2 have been a slave. Talk about self-care.
Listen to me! When he said BM left the home to commit crime to pay child support I damn near died! 😂😂😂
@@luthorforpresident9353 🤣🤣
@@aaydrianIs he a writer? If not he should be.
I said it during the live & I'm going to say it again. These men like Myron want to be bad B's. They are upset at the attention that women get & it comes out as aggression. Listen to the coded language. And the cruel irony is, men set those standards.
Exactly! I noticed that Lightning mentioned something about how BW should court these men on dates. Then he spoke with resentment about how many likes they get on social media. I don’t know why they claim to want feminine women when they are feminine themselves and on top of that they are not even friendly.
Nature sets those standards
@@ladybug3380 I mean we can go the biologically route as well. I'm simply stating that it's an irony that men complain about women getting attention when those same men put women on a pedestal.
The way this man kept stopping himself from saying "the ugly one" 😂
Every time Themis made a valid point Lightning switched to a different one. Taking Themis through an odyssey of blame and dislike for black women.
I have been down this road with guys like this. They come in saying that the blame should be on both parties but after you’ve been in conversation with them long enough, you’ll see that they just want the blame on one group. Black women.
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Themis's The Odustsey. Coming to an English class near you.
Thank you! He literally never really acknowledged any of the times Themis proved him wrong.
@@KandyGTV Right! He just kept going on and on like an energizer dust bunny.
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“Their heads are big!”
This👆🏾caller, like many men, resent the fact that black women have “raised” their standards !
They “blame” black women for the faults and failures of black men.
He was very condescending and dismissive!
Watching a man try explain sheer delusional, while also realizing he's COMPLETELY miseducated on something he thought he had down to a science - makes the back of my leg itch. Every time a man starts a sentence with, "here's the thing...", I automatically know he's grasping for straws and needs a break to regroup his unfounded, baseless argument. It never fails. Smmfh 🙄😒
No offense, but the only good Black man I saw here was Themis. I thought there would be another.... 🤷♀️
MA'AM 🤭🤭🤭
That discussion with JD was ridiculous and remedial. I have to lie down. My head now hurts. 😔
He's the same demon with the same dusty talking points.
@@olive6679 Yes! Same playbook.
Sooo what are the right questions that women should ask on dates....dude never answered the question?? he just wanted to complain, not give a tangible solution... and why is it that men who aren't single care so much about what everyone else is doing???
"Choose better" 😏
Lol that’s my question. I’m thinking their marriages and life must be so boring or uneventful for them to be so concerned with us Single for life ppl - cause we sure are NOT checking and wanting marriage
Why u guy's irritated by someone stating their opinions??..🤷♂️
@@jue827 that’s the issue 🤣🤣 it’s His opinion - no facts, data, logic -
No One but his “wife” wants him but he’s running around blabbing to ppl that aren’t checking for him & DEF don’t want a man like him - he’s married (she def took one for the team lol) he’s outta the game - yet he’s out here telling ppl his opinions 🥴🤥🤣🤣
No one is “ irritated” - We are Laughing at him Not with him ☺️😂
@@masixchell ....then why did u watch...lol..and yes people have opinions without data ..or facts (thats what makes them opinions)....some of ya'll don't think when posting comments...have a good one👍
That’s a bold face lie him saying that men are realistic about there’s options. No they aren’t, all these podcast dedicated to entitlement of a certain woman they want that don’t want them.
It's amazing that they can say that having a child is like playing the game of life with a handicap (even when the scenario is that the mother will be caring for the child too...probably moreso). Yet they think that mothers getting the child in a divorce while the father leaves with no assistance beyond child support is somehow women "winning". Somehow it's not a handicap for women to have to care for a child alone while trying to navigate life.
Tbh any man stupid enough to get a surgery because he heard some idiotic RUclipsr told them to probably should get the surgery done. Not everyone needs to procreate. Some genes can die out. We'll be fine.
Most ppl shouldn't procreate. Ppl have kids cuz they want someone 2 love or love them. If they loved their kids they'd protect them, and I know they aren't doin that cuz I'm one of the 60%.
JD Caudle was thoroughly frustrating. The sad part was that he seemed to take everything he’d heard at face value and even continued to deny the truth after Themis made it clear, with valid source material.
Why are men like Caudle living in such denial?
@@celesteperezmora8159 in what way do they benefit from living in denial?
Simple "Jesus" and all other patriarchal religions
The Christian church is really white patriarchy and the manosphere draws heavily from it.
Bw keep the black church alive. They pay for his services.
I hate self control and foresight isn't advocated for these men.
Actually "The Color Purple" was based on the true story of the author's grandmother. So it is not fully fiction. And most of the experiences of the women in that movie, I saw or knew of, growing up. Not sure why men blame Oprah for "The Color Purple" movie when it was directed by Steven Spielberg. She only played a character.
I don't like how you coddled this slow dude though Themis. I wish you would have debated or talked to someone else more honest. He was disingenuous
They blame Oprah because they feel she’s easiest target based on her not being their preference. Also, they are pissed no Black man has taken half her money. 🤷🏾♀️
What kills me is they always talk about The Color Purple, but never talk about Blaxploitation films, rap and those 90s gangster movies. That's what really ruined their image
@@Sheabuttahbaby Exactly. They love "Scarface" and "New Jack City" and "Juice" but mad about "The Color Purple" and "Waiting To Exhale".
5:45:39 No my ex husband and I don’t get along and he has 50/50 custody of our 14 year old. He’s the minority. Still a horrible partner btw. We don’t talk or communicate at all. But he still is an active father. Physically and financially. Because he wants to be. This guy is unknowingly saying that once a relationship ends that black men can’t be adult enough to be a parent without being involved with the mother. He’s saying the quiet part out loud.
Men do think like this. My father did this. Once my mother didn’t want him anymore I saw my dad every 3 years I swear. Then when he got married to a younger woman. And she left him too. He no longer wanted anything to do with my little sister. It’s truly disgusting.
Most men are codependent and mainly stuck in their low sexual nature, they are not able to show up as whole people in their relationships, so when the relationship ends, and they can't have access to you and the missing pieces you filled for them, they detach completely.
@@VeeKayGreenerGrass ikr. That’s why I said he is a minority and still a piece of 💩.
I don't think this guy is grifting, I actually think he believes what he's saying, he kept referencing TLA like he was a research professor...this is scary.
I would have left when he asked why Steven Crowders wife left. These men are really trying to excuse Crowder abusing his pregnant wife. Smh the future is doomed.
Maybe it won't be soo bad if we make the right choices when it comes to choosing a partner
@@thatimokoena8357 Agreed.
No hyper conservative men who tend to abuse women and own them like slaves for one, no hood dudes, especially no hood preachers, and no one without emotional and academic intelligence.
Anyone who doesn't like therapy is out, and people who are "too perfect"(it's called love bombing) and is pushing for marriage under a year are abusers faking until they have you trapped.
The Gift of Fear should be mandatory reading. As well as the Body Keeps the Score. Then we can talk about being in a relationship with this person.
@@thatimokoena8357 oh so I guess you “think you a good dude” right?
@@bellavega8048 tbh you don't know me, so I suggest you keep quiet
@@thatimokoena8357 she doesn’t have to keep quiet who tf are you ??
3:22:30 Men (regardless of race) are and has been receiving FOOD STAMPS (AKA) Snap WITHOUT having custody of any children.
As a County employee for over 16years this is a kNOWN FACT.
The determination is based on INCOME NOT IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN @Themis & Thoth
The man in the home rule was abolished in 1968. It Lasted for 4 years. It was not National, it only applied to certain states. As a matter of facts, only 6 state had “man in the house rule”.
That may be where BM get this idea that only 2 BM are having all the kids with BW in the US. 😑
The "that's mean" got me because he could roast his ass so easily
Themis was being so nice
4:12:30 Anyone else notice how the pastor talked about his marriage? Themis asked him aren’t you a marriage? Yes I am married. I like to come home. I like spending time with my kids. He never said he had a good happy or wonderful marriage. He didn’t even said he had a loving wife, nor did talked them have a good relationship or a loving relationship. In his reference to his marriage, he doesn’t refer to his wife or the other partner in that marriage. His massage is crystal clear and where he stands and how he feels about women. Especially those women that can take care of themselves in a competent manner.
I sent my 3 sons to live with my ex husband and its even better than the divorce 😃
I think a lot of women should start sending they sons to there dads when they get to their pre-teens, since these men wants they kids sooooo bad give them too them.
😂😂i bet. Let them take care of them. I be he tried to send them back they think they can do our job better than us.
I love this for you!!!
I offered my ex the same thing and I told him I'll pay child support. He declined.
@@Coco-nq3vg thanks Coco 😃 I didn't know I would LOVE being the non custodial parent this much. But I guess Christmas and summer vacations with dad prepared me for this glorious time in my life 💕
A conversation similar to this one in terms of arguments (or lack thereof?) is how the friendship with my only heterosexual male friend dissolved.
Whew chile…that F&F podcast is hard to watch. I feel like I lost some brain cells 😬
The sad thing is that we know these people can’t define “high value man” because they don’t want to alienate their base. This is just a money grab to them smh Preying on the minds of impressionable young men and women….disgusting!
Absolutely. It's a grift.
5:29:29 I literally just went on a date and the guy just stared at me like a picture. Then told me I ask too many questions lol 😂
Well that was your red flag. 🚩 🚩 🚩
@@OceanisInfinite exactly. Kindly told him that I don’t date rude unkind men and excommunicated him.
He was a loser
An audio book version of Why Women Desreve Less narrated by Fresh!!!!
Oh mommy it burns😭😭😭💀💀
I feel like destiny was being petty when he said it. 😂😂
@Coco-nq3vg When I tell you I screamed😂😂😂
lol @JD Caudle!!! Chile, these men!!! And he is supposed to be one of the good ones right?!!
I know grown men that get stamps and they don’t have custody of any children AT ALL
Themis truly has the patience of Job. Intellectually, they are not your equals and I understand why you handle them so gingerly. It's like you're talking to third graders.
Thanks again for proving our point Themis. This is a Pastor and he came on lying about being sick. Princella made him look horrible also 🤦🏾♀️. He saw your emails for sure
"Do you think they think too much of themselves... More than they should?" excuse me., what??
He was already on my shitlist but I was fully done after that...
@4:02:25
“….women are looking over me….!”
Women are also rejecting men that “present well” yet they have the same mindset, characteristics and behaviors as the men with “dirty fingernails!”
I suspect that Rollo, or whatever his name is, probably meant that tweet exactly as he wrote it...to be advice. The issue he has is that now he had to sit and watch that F&F panel and realized how stupid his tweet was so he backed out and pretended that it wasn't advice. He was forced to sit and watch a table full of people diving into it, showing how other people interpret it, giving some pushback and actually talking about how his advice would play out in the real world (esp among the sort of idiots who listen to him). That man had to change gears and go up to defend himself because he couldn't let his dumb tweet look even more dumb when filter through the lips of F&F (with help from the dude that isn't Destiny).
It's actually hilarious to watch The Grandaddy of the Manosphere show us where the gaslighting, goal post shifting, lying, manipulation and double-speak originally came from. Except instead of using it against women or men with some semblance of intelligence like the manosphere does, he's using it against new gen manosphere people. I feel like this is the first time these guys ever got a taste of their own medicine in terms of having all of this deceitfulness aimed their way. You can actually see them get frustrated, confused and full of disbelief in the exact same way we are when they talk. It's wild.
The funny thing is that if had simply humbled himself and said, “ok, what I really meant was to NOT start a family at a young age and probably went overboard with the vasectomy thing” he would have saved face and wouldn’t look so foolish but his fragile ego couldn’t do that.😂
“….that she would rather risk being alone….!”
The “risk” is being with them!
His live with Princella was hilarious 😂
It’s “How To Sew Your Wild Oats” 101!
These men want to come up with a strategy to present themselves as “high value” men in order to gain access to as many women as possible!
Men straight up make fun of women - and this was really popular 90's. So men needing a platform seems like an opportunity for increased bullying.
These men keep telling on themselves. They be having conversations about stuff they know NOTHING about and it’s frustrating!!!! stuff . You still have to work . I mean what is he even
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“I don’t know why you’re mad!”
They want to emphasize that they didn’t have a child out of wedlock
because they were married, yet they “became” single mothers after the divorce!
Married women that don’t have “help” raising their children are married single mothers.
Mother’s that have been “abandoned” by their husbands are married single mothers!
Different “circumstances” with the same outcome!
The 🎻 🎻 🎻 kill me every time 😂😂😂
Well I’m still kind of exhausted with the exchange around the single mother topic. Great content overall. Keep exposing these grifter type content creators 👏🏾
Heres the thing.... the thing is nothing, nothing at all.
Not a Damn thing😂
That is the thing: their logic is not logic at all. They are trying to find another lie to make the thing logic make sense.....🤯🤯🤯
Tonight was great. My face and belly are sore from all these jokes! Ladies be blessed, bountiful and bodacious!
Indeed it was, this was a good one. You guys were hilarious with the dust comments. NABs didn't stand a chance on that live! 🤭
😂❤
You were lit!!😂
@@darkskintarot. well you had me ROLLIN"! Same to you!
@@sORrYiMLaTe_wHAtdiDiMisS Was a beautiful thing to witness. Keep it up sisters!🥰❤
My spirit recjects this man JD Caudle
I have never discounted men, and I have never grouped every single BM in one category. Or thought all men ain't shit despite the day to day encounters myself and other women have experienced. Until now, because these men are very comfortable on the Internet with this drunken mindset that has them professing sobering thoughts.
There's an obvious resentment probably even hatred that they all have in common towards BW. But they will say it's vice versa which is delusional. BW are complaining about being mistreated, and BM are blaming everyone else for the issues bought to them. That's a huge difference. BW are saying I need this to stop, I need you to change. While BM are saying you are asking me to change and you are bullying me, you should take me as I am, and contort your life to fit my liking. Just be happy I'm here, even though I'm not.
Myron wants a woman with no self-esteem, little to no standards and minimal self worth!
This way, she will cling to him emotionally and depend on him financially!
High value man is a man who has ascended to his mind self from his lower sexual nature (away from fear and scarcity).z
Have you met one yet sis???
@@thatimokoena8357 No.
They're mostly in their sexual low nature.
@@VeeKayGreenerGrass 😂
When men say “Let me put it to you like this”, it’s about to be BS.
I was 21 and lived with my mom and her boyfriend. He got food stamps and had no kids. I was homeless and couldn’t get them
You should rename the live to The GoodT Black Man Headache 😢
Y' all just be saying anything at this point
he wanted so badly to defend BM, and as each talking point crumpled to dust, i almost felt sorry for him, except i know he won't stop, reflect, and revise.
Almost everytime someone says "both sides" I know they're on some bs and arent trying to engage in an honest conversation.
"How is he so useless"😂😂😂😂😂 I fell out my chair.
This was hard to watch and listen to this seasoned man spout and mimic such thin, baseless points with no ability to substantiate, he kept touting TLA as if it was some kind of an encyclopedia or research study. This is scary, this man is a pastor and wholly unable to think critically even in the face of salient points from Themis.😮
First Princella ate him up now Themis he is a glutton for pain with his manosphere lite talking points 🙄
These men be so delusional and it’s just funny now.
3:19:20 So far JD seems genuine. I don’t want to be disrespectful, however, these people really be up here sharing their opinions, but be loud and wrong about the facts. How are you expounding on a topic that you haven’t fully researched? It’s frustrating.
I never heard of him, but I’m guessing he has a following that blindly believes everything he says smh
@3:42:30
“We might not be able to go on vacation 3 times a year!”
Sir, YOU might not be able!
A woman that wants to go on vacation 3 times a year can take herself! 💞
I know a young lady that takes a vacation with her friends, another with her children, another by herself and another if she has a significant other!
This was one of the best lives I have attended.
Every T&T livestream better than the last
@@PrincePetti True....btw Prince Petti your look tonight was GIVING!!!
@@appleifc yes because tOniOUght wiLl bE the NiOUght that i wiLl FaOUll fOr yOuu
@@PrincePetti LOL!
@@PrincePetti😂😂😂😂😂 Petti go to sleep. Way pass your bedtime Sir 🤣
I'm confused on why jd gave so many opinions but nothing from a biblical or factual standpoint.
HE LITERALLY SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE WORLD. 😩😩😩🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️🤦🏾♀️
Because he’s not a real Pastor with an education. He probably got it from universal life church, on the Internet. It takes about 60 seconds to fill out the form and Bam you can be a pastor, reverend, etc. you choose your title he’s extremely lacking in the department of intelligence.
Re-watching this I didn't comment the first time I watched. Honestly if the pastor likes TLA and Kevin Samuels, it's something not to overlook. That there is a red flag.
I understand the comradery but making excuses for grown men is bad. This is why they go on behaving like young and teenage boys.
The term "high value" is nauseating to say the least, but I don't necessarily disagree with that list. It's worded in a way to make it more appealing to 'that' crowd, but he basically said:
1. Don't get married in your youth, which I agree with. Maybe don't get married at all depending on the person.
2. Avoid producing children, absolutely.
3. Birth Control, and if you know you don't want kids, permanent birth control.
4. Maintain your health and physique.
5. Stay off drugs.
6. Charisma and Networking, crucially important in your youth
7. Know your strengths and use them to your advantage, absolutely
8. Stay Focused on your goals
I can't will myself to listen to clips of that podcast, but reading the tweet highlighted, it wasn't necessarily bad advice.
Yes. Which is why it's odd when the men who run the podcasts talk about a high value man being one who has sex with multiple partners, I think one of the even wrote a book on just that, sex. Yet a high value man should be one that marries a young virgin. Nothing about what the podcast men talk about is high value per that list.
The chat was lit! 😎🚌🚌
It was indeed. *Dust* did try and dim the light but Themis, Cyn and the chat swept it all away 🤭
The chat reminds me of how redpill chats talk about women. Yall got alot in common
You had me gut bust laughing last night, Toffee 😂
@@sORrYiMLaTe_wHAtdiDiMisS 😂😂😂😂
@@brandond1947 Whoa being called a Dustyardigan hurt your feelings? I thought women were the emotional ones. 😕
I probably WONT be watching when you have the schmenz on. I can't take the circular pointless arguments 😐
Nothing wrong with getting a trade, however, ensure you read and keep abreast of things so that women do not have to dumb down to talk to you.
Isn’t it draining, how we really have to dumb ourselves down, to try and converse with them!
@@jaijai5250 Very!
I wanna know who is in a consensual relationship with rollo
You and I both
JD got away with so much and there were so many missed opportunities to address. The conversation with JD was nauseating and hair pulling.
Damn time difference! I caught it at the tail end so rewatching the beginning. Have a lovely weekend everybody and take care of yourselves 😊
Petty in that fucking collar!!!!!! LOLOLOLOLOL
I've seen much of JD and I think he means well...just in a different reality. One that exists but is of a lower vibration than the one we're currently shifting to. Facts, there are levels to this and a lot of people are going to come to the realization that their patriarchal religion is all rooted in hatred of the feminine. Even if people assert they don't believe or practice, they still have many layers to grow before they realize how much it has shaped their ego/perception. Letting it go means pain and deep self reflection...and a lot of people ain't equipped for that.
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Bars
The speaker tends to preface that he doesn’t condone what he ends up condoning in his following sentence.
He did this while talking about 🍇 & crime.
In the discussion about 🍇, he proved Themis’ point by being defensive and not acknowledging how pervasive 🍇 has been because of anecdotes.
I hope this doesn’t come off wrong Themis. But the fact that dusty has a gf that watched your channels shows BW needs to be more accountable. There is no way in HELL a dusty can say those things and be partnered with a black women that is engaged with your work.
@@ghost99100 the guy who came on who said he lived in the hood and had a girlfriend…she probably thinks he’s “one of the good ones” although they’re both in the hood…
@@ghost99100 it does. Go Cry about it.
@@ghost99100 I refuse hood men.
Going on 11 years strong with my male partner. It really is that simple.
You can find diamonds in the dumpster, just not often.
The hood is not a place to be feminine or submissive. That'll get you graped and tossed aside very quickly. It's a place for hard men and women to survive.
If we want different attitudes from the BC we need to all get out of places that promote what we don't like.
@@kmariamv I think the ghost person you are replying to is the dusty she speak of, and he all in his little feelings!
@@ghost99100 yeah, with your dad.
Listening material for the full work day. Thank you Themis!!