I never realized how heartbreaking this scene is for Rachel. Rachel didn't seek her mother out, it was the other way around. And then for Shelby to be like "nope, sorry -can't do it", is like a second rejection from her. Trust me, at age 15 Rachel still needed her, even if she wasn't a baby. I do understand Shelby's point of view, but she shouldn't have sought her out only to say those things to her. Such an amazing actress both are in this scene though!
My birth dad contacted me 19 years after I was born. I was so overwhelmed by it I went into shock. I haven't met him yet, but we talk about my childhood. I'm not a baby, but I need my dad like Rachel needs Shelby
Also I don't think it was Mr. Schuester's right to involve himself in Rachel and Shelby's personal affairs. This was something Shelby needed to figure out on her own. It was hard for Shelby to look at her daughter and realize she missed 15 years of her life. I know Rachel's dad probably put the contract in place because it can be difficult sometimes for gay parents and it was the 90s in Ohio. However, they did their daughter a disservice by not even fully discussing her mother with her and preventing Shelby from having any sort of contact. You can see how desperately Rachel wants a mom.
Glee really missed the opportunity to teach about surrogacy here. Shelby didn't "give her up" or "abandon her". She volunteered to be a surrogate for a couple and had a child for them. There was no rejection, no abandonment, no nothing. Yes, it sill could have been sad for Shelby, as with some surrogates and egg/sperm donors. But they are making it seem like she chose to give her up for adoption or something.
But it was her egg tho, she is a biological mother here, she had to give up her maternal rights for Rachel's dads to get full custody of Rachel, so technically she is a mother that gave her child to Rachel's dads
problem here is that Shelby seeked Rachel out bc she felt something missing, I think she had some kind of life-crisis that most people go through but in the process she hurt Rachel who was only an insecure 15 year old girl, just because she realized that wasn't what she actually wanted.
Yeah I always found it weird. The pilot states that Shelby was just a surrogate. But later it's portrayed that Shelby got pregnant with Rachel then gave her up
phan trash Idina Menzel was on Broadway in Rent (1996) as Maureen and as Elphaba in Wicked (2003) and Spring Awakening (2006). So you are right, Lea Michele and Groffsauce were both on Broadway, only Idina was first and she is better known. But I love them all.
@@Mia_M but it was, in the end, not her daughter. She had been paid to be a surrogate. Absolutely, she got attached. And then to claim and manipulate Rachel's choices then turn her away? That's cruel. Emotionally misguided, selfish and cruel.
Alice Darhk yes but Shelby would’ve had to agree for Rachel to be adopted by which ever father wasn’t the birth one. Surrogacy is murky territory even now. It’s complicated by the fact that Rachel’s fathers chose a traditional surrogacy. Shelby could’ve fought for visitation especially in Ohio where they recognise the genetic parents as the legal parents upon a child’s birth. So technically yes, Shelby did have to give her up. Usually it’s recommended to use a third party egg so that the surrogate mother doesn’t have any rights. Even with a contract, she could’ve decided to keep her baby as you don’t sign away rights until after a baby is born. It would’ve ended up in the courts and custody would’ve probably been split if she had pursued that. Surrogacy contracts are very dependent on the state and the judge if it goes to court. I’m not saying what Shelby did to Rachel was right. It was absolutely wrong but when she signed that contract she didn’t know what she was giving up either. She was a young twenty something kid which is probably one of the reasons Hiram and Leroy chose her. Seeing Rachel again after 15 years reminded her of the time she lost, and that she wanted to have the opportunity to raise a child from scratch. It was wrong to tempt Rachel with the possibility given that Rachel had never given too much thought to her mother at least not enough to go searching for her at 15. I do think both of them expected more from their reunion and thought they would feel a connection and maybe they did, but Shelby was also trying to do right by Rachel by not allowing her to get attached. She realised she went about the situation entirely wrong and was trying to do her best (even if it was ineffectual) to minimise Rachel’s pain.
I think Glee missed an opportunity. They did both characters an injustice. What Shelby did altered something in her and you start to see how truly insecure she is in season 2. She’s not usually the girl picked first and that’s what it felt like when Shelby adopted Beth. Regardless of age, you always need your mother. I think the real mistake was them expecting it to be easy without putting any real effort into their relationship.
But Rachel wanted to try. It was Shelby who never considered the consequences meeting her daughter was going to have on her daughter's life. My big sister (she is my cousin but was raised with us after my uncle passed) met her mom when she was 36, the woman never actually care for her until on day that she called to see if my sister was willing to file a petition to bring her to the US. I never felt like killing someone until that day. That was 8 years ago and I still hate that woman. Parents/adults have to protect kids mo matter their age, Rachel had so many insecurities and Shelby added them.
@@kittykat8287 she did, but she didn’t vocalise that to Shelby. She agreed with the ‘let’s admire each other from afar’ approach instead of saying ‘no, I need you in my life whether you think so or not.’
I just kept thinking "damn it, the water is right there on the table!" She should have poured her a glass of water. It almost shows how unmotherly she really is cause she couldn't even manage that. (Although technically Rachel could have asked if she could have some for herself)
don’t shoot me but i couldn’t remember what idina menzel looked like when she WASNT painted green, so when jesse went back to the car after giving rachel the tape i thought “woah, did they get lea michele’s actual mom? or like... is that just lea michele but edited somehow?” even though we’d already seen shelby before 😭 for some reason the resemblance didn’t click for me. plus after that i looked up “who played rachel’s mom in glee” and i saw it was IDINA MENZEL??? i was duped, scooped, and pooped.
I never really understood this Shelby's lack of empathy you would think that every cell in her body would be screaming. With her there was almost no maternal instinct.
Maternal and paternal instincts are a myth. Some people want kids, some people ONLY like their own kids, and some people are utterly indifferent to kids. Shelby is the sort of person who never wanted kids but is now being weird because she feels that she ought to feel something maternal about a kid she donated her egg to create.
Is anyone freaking at how cute Rachel’s dads were? The thing with the water to make her confuse crying with thirsty kills me. Not to mention you dehydrate yourself when you cry so the drinking serves a purpose
Omg scary: I have glee season one on dvd and I am switching it while looking up clips for one of my videos and when I played this i didn’t realize the dvd was on this episode and both the clips played at the exact same time 😂
I mean I’m glad Rachel found her birth mother but its not like she did anything for her once they had met, heck she put more in to raising Beth a child who wasn’t her birth child then she did in to connecting with her own daughter.
I was really upset by this, as I felt like Shelby was dangling the prospect of having a Mum in front of Rachel and then when it got tough (7 seconds in), she ripped the possibility of having a Mum away from Rachel. You could tell that our prodigious star didn't want to lose her Mum again. Heartbreaking.
My dad left my mom after I was conceived at a party. At age 8, I asked her if my sister's dad (who lived hours away) could be my dad. He agreed and I started calling him dad, but stopped at 16. It's been handshakes and casual chats since (when I very rarely saw him). At my sister's wedding, I feel he interacted with me a bit too much: seeing who's taller when I casually mentioned my height, fist-bumping, remarking how good the food looked, praising my heart and apologetic anxiety about possibly hurting someone (when I referenced my lack of filter). He said I doubted myself (I don't remember where this was coming from) and when I denied it and said I just don't like to sound conceited, he said I should see it as confidence and that I was amazing. I'm kinda awkward now--because of sappiness for one thing--but also because...maybe he was just being nice to me? Looking down on me? I mean, you could say I "forced" him to be my dad at one point, so maybe he was "forcing" himself to see my good qualities? It's kinda complicated really.
The scene before this is even better: the GLEE kids are watching Shelby's team practice when Shelby sings a solo to teach them how to perform while singing. Her singing is SO like Rachel that the viewer sees - without words - Rachel realize that Shelby was her birth-mother.
Kori Garbison My cousins who have my uncle and his husband have no desire for a mom and they're perfectly happy with female aunts and cousins. As for me my dad was the only one who ever treated me right to when I was growing up. My egg donor (I'll never consider her a mom) never cared about me unless we were in public, so NO not everyone wants a mom or needs a mom
When I still get sad my mum because I wasn’t really close with my dad would bring me a glass of juice or water. I know that I have moved out. I miss every second of it. Sorry but I had to share this 😢😢❤❤
they actually seem like mother and daughter... scary
haley the kitten queen IKR
Idina Menzel was actually casted as her mother because of their resemblance! 😄
They sound so much alike too
They look alike but she looks a little older
yes
I never realized how heartbreaking this scene is for Rachel. Rachel didn't seek her mother out, it was the other way around. And then for Shelby to be like "nope, sorry -can't do it", is like a second rejection from her. Trust me, at age 15 Rachel still needed her, even if she wasn't a baby. I do understand Shelby's point of view, but she shouldn't have sought her out only to say those things to her.
Such an amazing actress both are in this scene though!
My birth dad contacted me 19 years after I was born. I was so overwhelmed by it I went into shock. I haven't met him yet, but we talk about my childhood. I'm not a baby, but I need my dad like Rachel needs Shelby
this arc really got to me
Also I don't think it was Mr. Schuester's right to involve himself in Rachel and Shelby's personal affairs. This was something Shelby needed to figure out on her own. It was hard for Shelby to look at her daughter and realize she missed 15 years of her life. I know Rachel's dad probably put the contract in place because it can be difficult sometimes for gay parents and it was the 90s in Ohio. However, they did their daughter a disservice by not even fully discussing her mother with her and preventing Shelby from having any sort of contact. You can see how desperately Rachel wants a mom.
will told her to do it...
Add a Kurt and Blaine scene!😍
I am such a Klaine shipper!❤
Glee really missed the opportunity to teach about surrogacy here. Shelby didn't "give her up" or "abandon her". She volunteered to be a surrogate for a couple and had a child for them. There was no rejection, no abandonment, no nothing. Yes, it sill could have been sad for Shelby, as with some surrogates and egg/sperm donors. But they are making it seem like she chose to give her up for adoption or something.
They definitely did cause I never remembered it was a surrogacy....whenever I tried to remember, I thought it was a teen pregnancy like Quinn
But it was her egg tho, she is a biological mother here, she had to give up her maternal rights for Rachel's dads to get full custody of Rachel, so technically she is a mother that gave her child to Rachel's dads
problem here is that Shelby seeked Rachel out bc she felt something missing, I think she had some kind of life-crisis that most people go through but in the process she hurt Rachel who was only an insecure 15 year old girl, just because she realized that wasn't what she actually wanted.
Honestly glee is kind of inconsistent with it characters and story's so not that much of a suprise
Yeah I always found it weird. The pilot states that Shelby was just a surrogate. But later it's portrayed that Shelby got pregnant with Rachel then gave her up
funny how in real life Idina is the broadway star
Actually, Lea Michele and Jonathan Groff were actually on Broadway together in Spring Awakening before Glee.
phan trash Idina Menzel was on Broadway in Rent (1996) as Maureen and as Elphaba in Wicked (2003) and Spring Awakening (2006). So you are right, Lea Michele and Groffsauce were both on Broadway, only Idina was first and she is better known. But I love them all.
Actually, they’re both well known. Lea grew a lot of fandom while she was on Glee.
Matthew Morrison was on bway too in Footloose
Actually lea michele was in les miserables on broadway before auditioning for glee
I thought they were in real life for the longest they look so alike and both their voices so powerful
Idina Menzel and Lea Michelle are both amazing at singing
I wish it wasn't made out like Shelby gave up Rachel. She was specifically hired to be a surrogate.
It was her egg though so she would've had to sign away her rights.
@@Mia_M but it was, in the end, not her daughter. She had been paid to be a surrogate. Absolutely, she got attached. And then to claim and manipulate Rachel's choices then turn her away? That's cruel. Emotionally misguided, selfish and cruel.
Alice Darhk yes but Shelby would’ve had to agree for Rachel to be adopted by which ever father wasn’t the birth one. Surrogacy is murky territory even now. It’s complicated by the fact that Rachel’s fathers chose a traditional surrogacy. Shelby could’ve fought for visitation especially in Ohio where they recognise the genetic parents as the legal parents upon a child’s birth. So technically yes, Shelby did have to give her up. Usually it’s recommended to use a third party egg so that the surrogate mother doesn’t have any rights. Even with a contract, she could’ve decided to keep her baby as you don’t sign away rights until after a baby is born. It would’ve ended up in the courts and custody would’ve probably been split if she had pursued that. Surrogacy contracts are very dependent on the state and the judge if it goes to court.
I’m not saying what Shelby did to Rachel was right. It was absolutely wrong but when she signed that contract she didn’t know what she was giving up either. She was a young twenty something kid which is probably one of the reasons Hiram and Leroy chose her. Seeing Rachel again after 15 years reminded her of the time she lost, and that she wanted to have the opportunity to raise a child from scratch. It was wrong to tempt Rachel with the possibility given that Rachel had never given too much thought to her mother at least not enough to go searching for her at 15. I do think both of them expected more from their reunion and thought they would feel a connection and maybe they did, but Shelby was also trying to do right by Rachel by not allowing her to get attached. She realised she went about the situation entirely wrong and was trying to do her best (even if it was ineffectual) to minimise Rachel’s pain.
@@Mia_M that was really deep and in depth. A subject you show great knowledge in. Thank you for educating me
They changed the storyline after idinas husband made the comparison between them
It’s hard to imagine that these two amazing actresses aren’t actually related.
ouch. if i were rachel i would've started crying
Same here.
I’m not Rachel and I am crying
I would have been BALLING
My heart would’ve shattered into pieces.
Perfect casting for her Rachel's mom.
I think Glee missed an opportunity. They did both characters an injustice. What Shelby did altered something in her and you start to see how truly insecure she is in season 2. She’s not usually the girl picked first and that’s what it felt like when Shelby adopted Beth. Regardless of age, you always need your mother. I think the real mistake was them expecting it to be easy without putting any real effort into their relationship.
I agree. Like Rachel, I'm adopted. My mom was never there for me. I know how hard that is for Rachel, because i went through the same thing.
But Rachel wanted to try. It was Shelby who never considered the consequences meeting her daughter was going to have on her daughter's life. My big sister (she is my cousin but was raised with us after my uncle passed) met her mom when she was 36, the woman never actually care for her until on day that she called to see if my sister was willing to file a petition to bring her to the US. I never felt like killing someone until that day. That was 8 years ago and I still hate that woman. Parents/adults have to protect kids mo matter their age, Rachel had so many insecurities and Shelby added them.
I think she was insecure in season 2 because what happened with finn.
I really never thought about that. You’re absolutely right!
@@kittykat8287 she did, but she didn’t vocalise that to Shelby. She agreed with the ‘let’s admire each other from afar’ approach instead of saying ‘no, I need you in my life whether you think so or not.’
When she was guest staring on the show her husband is the one that notice the resemblance so they made her play Rachel's mom
Not really Lea said she has been told she looks like Idina since she was 14 years old.
2:02 when Rachel looks up her mother with hope in her eyes, its heartbreaking.
I just kept thinking "damn it, the water is right there on the table!" She should have poured her a glass of water. It almost shows how unmotherly she really is cause she couldn't even manage that. (Although technically Rachel could have asked if she could have some for herself)
I was so shocked to see that Shelby was Rachel mother but they look so alike
They can really pass for mother and daughter
This is the best casting this show ever did.
The look and sound so much like each other, you would think that they were related in real life
They actually look a lot alike, it’s low key weird
They look related.
Cathy haha. No I'm not that mean. 🙈 Lol. I wouldn't be surprised though if the actresses were relations.
Cathy me to i had to do a double take
Finally. I love this scene
I gotta say it is so satisfying to see how much they look alike even thought there not related. Almost like callie and her sister from the fosters.
Wow, I just realized that they had “defying gravity” from Wicked (in which Idina Mendel starred in) playing in the background, genius.
Well played
don’t shoot me but i couldn’t remember what idina menzel looked like when she WASNT painted green, so when jesse went back to the car after giving rachel the tape i thought “woah, did they get lea michele’s actual mom? or like... is that just lea michele but edited somehow?” even though we’d already seen shelby before 😭 for some reason the resemblance didn’t click for me. plus after that i looked up “who played rachel’s mom in glee” and i saw it was IDINA MENZEL??? i was duped, scooped, and pooped.
They actually look suprisingly similar
I never really understood this Shelby's lack of empathy you would think that every cell in her body would be screaming. With her there was almost no maternal instinct.
Maternal and paternal instincts are a myth. Some people want kids, some people ONLY like their own kids, and some people are utterly indifferent to kids.
Shelby is the sort of person who never wanted kids but is now being weird because she feels that she ought to feel something maternal about a kid she donated her egg to create.
Rachel Berry was Idina Menzel aka Elsa The Snow Queen from Frozen was Shelby Corcoran
Alfredo Gomez Gonzales and she was also in Wicked
Alfredo Gomez Gonzales this comment confuses me so much indina Mendel is Elsa and Shelby and on broadway
Idina isn't just known for Elsa. More importantly as Elphaba and Maureen in wicked and rent
Super_Sweet Just thank you for that comment.
Don't forget Rent
Is anyone freaking at how cute Rachel’s dads were? The thing with the water to make her confuse crying with thirsty kills me. Not to mention you dehydrate yourself when you cry so the drinking serves a purpose
Why didn’t Shelby give Rachel a glass of water?!?!?! There was clearly a pitcher and a glass full of it🥺
They actually could pass for mother/daughter. They do look alike
I love Idina's voice. I always remember Elsa.
This is so sweet.
The resemblance.
Holy shit, they were made to play mother and daughter.
They actually look the same sooooooo
Idina will always be Elphaba
I'm all on your side!
Omg they look so much alike!
Omg scary:
I have glee season one on dvd and I am switching it while looking up clips for one of my videos and when I played this i didn’t realize the dvd was on this episode and both the clips played at the exact same time 😂
I mean I’m glad Rachel found her birth mother but its not like she did anything for her once they had met, heck she put more in to raising Beth a child who wasn’t her birth child then she did in to connecting with her own daughter.
Even I wanna cry from this
They look very much alike.
They say we have like, 6 or 7 eight dead ringers in the world? Man, these two have the same voice!!
Really finnaly I love this scene
It's a heart breaking one
I was really upset by this, as I felt like Shelby was dangling the prospect of having a Mum in front of Rachel and then when it got tough (7 seconds in), she ripped the possibility of having a Mum away from Rachel. You could tell that our prodigious star didn't want to lose her Mum again. Heartbreaking.
Wow! great , nice video , Good work
I swear its so scary how they are not related in real life yet they look soooooo much alike
Shelby: I-I have to go
Rachel: You’re welcome!!!!!
Like the "Popular" reference
Ouch if I were Rachel I would've started crying
omg they look so much like each other 0-0
My God. I sure hope she is a better mother to Beth than she was to Rachel.
They look like each other so much
Idina is so much younger in this episode, lol
This make me cry
Little did Rachel know her mum was in the original cast of one of her favourite musicals
love them
Funny how 2 stars of Frozen are in Glee.
My dad left my mom after I was conceived at a party. At age 8, I asked her if my sister's dad (who lived hours away) could be my dad. He agreed and I started calling him dad, but stopped at 16. It's been handshakes and casual chats since (when I very rarely saw him). At my sister's wedding, I feel he interacted with me a bit too much: seeing who's taller when I casually mentioned my height, fist-bumping, remarking how good the food looked, praising my heart and apologetic anxiety about possibly hurting someone (when I referenced my lack of filter). He said I doubted myself (I don't remember where this was coming from) and when I denied it and said I just don't like to sound conceited, he said I should see it as confidence and that I was amazing. I'm kinda awkward now--because of sappiness for one thing--but also because...maybe he was just being nice to me? Looking down on me? I mean, you could say I "forced" him to be my dad at one point, so maybe he was "forcing" himself to see my good qualities? It's kinda complicated really.
Thank you
add puck's fight with rick the stick man please
The scene before this is even better: the GLEE kids are watching Shelby's team practice when Shelby sings a solo to teach them how to perform while singing. Her singing is SO like Rachel that the viewer sees - without words - Rachel realize that Shelby was her birth-mother.
They can try to build a relaship not gonna be easy but it's not unPossible everyone need a mother in their lives
Kori Garbison My cousins who have my uncle and his husband have no desire for a mom and they're perfectly happy with female aunts and cousins. As for me my dad was the only one who ever treated me right to when I was growing up. My egg donor (I'll never consider her a mom) never cared about me unless we were in public, so NO not everyone wants a mom or needs a mom
When I still get sad my mum because I wasn’t really close with my dad would bring me a glass of juice or water. I know that I have moved out. I miss every second of it. Sorry but I had to share this 😢😢❤❤
Why are they sitting far away from each other?😂
Brilliant casting though!
Shelby is my fav person on the show l9l
Wait what?! They are mother and daughter?!?!?!?!
Jenna Candy well, yeah.
Jenna Candy no not in real life. they just look similar
+bervely joassaint Similar is an understatement
Jenna Candy no. the real mom is Caitlyn Jenner
Shelby looks like Caitlyn Jenner
They look so alike, I’m impressed
I don't like Rachel, but felt really sorry for her. She needed her mom, and Shelby rejected her again.
Ok it feels weird seeing Elsa “in person.”
Rachel could be known this all time and Jesse he could have told how he felt about her
Drop the mic lea Michelle vs indina menzel
prank ranger that would be AMAZING!
*Idina
@@broadwaybrook2319 thanks
They look alike and sound alike omg lol doppelgänger
Rachel looks just like Shelby!
Rachel looks just like sheby
❤💓
they both look so alike
💜💜💔
Wasn't the only reason they brought Shelby in was so Idinna Menzel and Lea Michelle could be side by side
Cierto si se parecen 😱😱😱
Funny I don’t remember Elsa having a daughter, unless 🤔
but elsa has a son haha
@@taliafisher1048 do you not get the reference lol
I never realized how much they look alike
Idina Menzel is so gorgeous omg
they look so alike
Ugh when glee was amazing. The first few seasons...
HOLY CR- THEY LOL SO RELATED HHH-
Do you know what song is used when they are talking together ?
As a kid i really did believe they were mother and daughter ...theu look so much alike!!!!
❤️💛💚💙💜💖🖤
Why do there jawline looks likes katie mcgrath's in a far away scene.
Does anyone think they used Leah’s mom in this because they look so much alike
I literally thought they were actually related because of how much they look alike
They look so much alike
I can definitely see the Resemblance, kinda like Vera Farmiga and Leighton Meester in The Judge !!!
this is the first time i feel bad for rachel. what a selfish woman her "mother" is. but then again, not someone rachel should chase after.
Shelby sounds like Quinn
I'll believe that they are mother-daughter when Maury Povich confirms it. Until then this is just a plot device to prolong the show.
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they dead ass look a like
HERE WE HAVE ELSA PEPS ELSA.
Kristoff and Elsa got it off in Glee lol
Gostaria de ver os episódios do Glee em português
I mean they have some resemblance which is crazy
What’s really sad is yeah she found out but then Shelby wanted nothing to do with her