Yep I have one. Love that screw driver for working on old Japanese motorcycles. Also to note, these are JIS screw drivers, not phillips. Which works great with JIS screws. This is why the motorcycle "phillips" screws strip so easy when we use a US phillips to take them out.
Once, i was on the cold crapper on a crisp fall morning watching ours truly, when the intro started and the old lady walked in almost perfectly mocking my phone "today, a treat especial, from the homeless deathspot, straight to your empire of dirt - *Bjjjzzjjzzzzzjjjzz *boom, TIME!!" like she had heard all of it, many, many times before lololol
I have both the Impacta Vessel and 'traditional' impact drivers and have been using both for years. The traditional style definitely has more 'oomph' but the Vessel works very well. Especially if you need to reach a screw that is difficult to access. The Vessel is VERY handy when splitting two stroke MC cases and can reach screws that a traditional hand impact cant. Downside is that the vessel is a one trick pony, only avail in PH 1, 2 & 3 sizes. Great vid!
I’ve been using vessel for 20 years including that exact driver. Works great. More suited for loosening screws that were driven in by impact drivers as opposed to rusted screws. Vessel is better than any US manufacturer and it can be bought at any japanese hardware store! Their L key or allen wrenches are far superior too!
Well you stick this here cross driver in the old crap shoot give it thwack with the old digit finder and it should chooch the jeezless stuff right outcha
I bought the set from Sears online and tried it on a set of reflectors that have been on my semi truck for over 20 years. Aluminum cab and stainless Phillips screws. Couple whacks and all 4 came out. Super impressed! Thanks for the tip!!!
Picked up a couple of these. They also are not Philips but JIS which is excellent when you don't want to round out the fasteners of your Nipponese product.
More importantly, that Vessel Impacta's pointy end is JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard), not Phillips. Big difference. Coming from the realm of J-A-Pan motorcycle repair, and their perpetually seized JIS carburetor screws, the Vessel Impacta's are the right proper cockfordollie...
WheeliePete Exactly what I was thinking, there is a very subtle difference between Philips and JIS , which is indiscernible to the naked eye, but makes a whole lot of difference if you own a Japanese motorcycle.
antigen4 . Being an impact driver should keep it engaged but a Phillips impact driver would do the same thing. I never used my jis drivers on craptacular phillips screws. I either lean on a Phillips driver and use a wrench on the shaft hex to turn it or punish it with an impact driver.
This is brilliant. These things are perfect for working on old Japanese motorcycles. They use JIS head screws. A regular Phillips head screwdriver were cause them strip. If you get an old bike and see that all the screw heads are fucked up it is because whoever worked on it used a non-JIS Phillips screwdriver (or they were just bad at it). The screwdriver in this video is made to JIS specifications (which works perfectly fine on normal Phillips in addition to the screws on Japanese motorcycles). I just went and bought a #2 and #3 after seeing this video.
I use that on Motorcycles to get to screws that I can't readily get to with a regular impact and since most things on some bikes are put on with Locktite it really helps. I am a 6'3" 300 lb gorilla and I have not tore it up yet. For smaller fasteners it is a real help.
I came early for the hopes you get to see this.. please keep up the amazing content. The knowledge and break downs really help me along with my career to avoid worthless buys. You have saved me a lot of headache and money with allowing me to learn a lot of tips and knowledge you have learned. Thank you.
I did a video on these a week or two ago and Craftsman rebrands the Vessel impactas. Only way you can get a standard flat blade is with the craftsman set and only way you can get a #3 Phillips head is through Vessel. Take it apart and show us what makes it verk!
If you're a cobbler, buy the widest neck for one of these, cut the tip off. Go to a machinist, have'm cut you a Stanley bit driver's neck off with an appropriate hole size whilst also knurling you the tightest fit you can imagine, squeeze those two parts together (maybe even a spot of weld) and voila, universal impact bit drive, or you can buy a normal impact drive screw driver but with a slower turn.
aserta universal until you twist the tip off the bit you're using inside the head of the fastener, hence why fap-off makes special bits for their impact driver.
May your swords stay sharp! (mysss29) I think these are meant for replacing the striking cap screwdrivers. Those are fine for a percussive attempt at breaking lose seized fasteners. In the end though it's always better with a little twisting action. We all know it's the twist at the end that gets it to come out...
aserta It really is an issue, the impact headed tools all take a special heat treat, and temper, otherwise they just shear the lobes off of the #2 phillips.
These are made for JIS screws. They look like Phillips BUT ARE NOT. They have a small dot on the head to indicate JIS standard. Using a Phillips screwdriver on a JIS screw will usually strip it if it is tight. JIS screws need JIS screwdrivers.
I don’t know about you but that shaft seemed to not move. Could you please try it with a normal screwdriver? I am just an idiot here though. But seems like it would work with phillips
Others pointed this out but I'm putting in mine too. The Japanese don't use Philips so what you're dealing with is actually JIS. Japanese Industrial Standard. Not a huge difference but sometimes it's the smallest details that matter. Research JIS because we all will at one time or another work on Japanese machinery.
Alex Tucker they are all over Amazon plus I'm pretty sure the new craftsman are made by the same company. It was curious to me as to why they were made in JApan instead of China like most other craftsman stuff today
These saved me from stripping more brake disc screws. No matter how hard you hit the cap with a hammer, they just don't strip the screws. These are the only screwdrivers i use on my car.
Loctite may not be the best test here. In my expereince, with electronics, they use different types of loctites and thread locking adhesives, and a good smack on any normal screwdriver is enough to break the thread lock loose. You should find a test that compares a normal screwdriver, an impact screwdriver, and the new fangled screwdriver and see if it is the hammer impact doing the work or the slight turning that does the work.
I love that I am not the only one who thinks that the red loctite gel that is in that tube smells AMAZING!!! I thought I was crazy! I still am but im not alone!
In the slomo against the loctite, it didn't look like it did much turning. Could you do a control test by smacking a regular screwdriver to make sure it wasn't a fluke?
Bontonswanson, it only turns 12 degrees .. even less when the bolt is very tight and the hand turns instead .. but as long as it turns the bolt enough to loosen it then who cares.
When i did japanese motorcycle restoration for a living, i lived by the vessel JIS drivers. They also make through shank drivers with a steel handle end for hammering along with the hex on the shaft. The vessels are to screw drivers as knipex are to slip jaws.
Robertson squares on cheap screws are sometimes "between" sizes. They strip, especially when cheap soft metal. Same with Phillips. But it's still possible to man bad fits around with a smaller Phillips (or even with a slot).
The beauty of the robertson is that it stays on the screwdriver for those hard to reach areas...without magnets which is not always a good thing and also does not work on aluminum screws. The only application i can think of where robertson is no good is a place where you need to repeatedly and quickly counter sink screws to a given depth like a drywall gun. tips would strip before long.
Clint .R Im Canadian too, but youre wrong lol id take a robby screw out of any of the 3 major types any day. Torx is by far the best, but robbys arent bad either.
Nut fucker almost engaged knucle fucker mode there, thought that cost extra. What's the difference between that screwdriver and other striking cap screwdrivers? Does the shaft rotate in the handle?
Makita make a better one I have used mine for over a year now and still working good plus it’s got a clear handle so you can see how it works very simple but very affective 12 degrees of rotation with a single strike
John Green, this one turns by 12 degrees and has a very simple mechanism.. how do you know that your"Makita" isn't just a rebrand that was made by this company like the Craftsman ones??
I got a #2 and a #3. The number three came in handy to loosten a data rack screw that someone must have run in with a drill motor. A couple of pops with a plastic mallet, and the over-tight, and almost stripped screw came right out! Definitely a good call, thanks!
I bought a Vessel Impacta #3 JIS last year to change the front brake discs on my Honda. Worked a treat undoing the disc retaining screws. Was a bargain at the price too.... Love watching your channel - hugely informative and immensely entertaining.
Craig McMaster who cares if its "PC" PC culture is a cancer. Its ruined the things that we could laugh at and talk about openly, now we have to watch our backs because someone might, maybe, possibly, will get offended.
@@CraigMcMaster What did the drummer get on his IQ test? Drool. How do you know the stage riser is level? The drool runs out of both sides of the drummer's mouth.
I got a pair of those. Different brand but mine are identical. They dont give much turn but sometimes it's just enough and definitely worth trying before you start drilling. I often wonder how much of the turning actually goes to the screw and how much is lost in your hand holding the handle
I bought one just because I could get it delivered on amazon for under $20 and I work on a lot of CNC machines from Japan. All of the terminal screws are JIS phillips. This screw driver has been worth it to me, plus it holds on to regular phillips better than other screw drivers I have. I will have to replace it because it is starting to wear out, but I still stand by it's well worth the $12 plus shipping I got it for.
This just showed up in my RUclips suggestions. I've actually had this screwdriver for a while now and I love it. The best part is that somehow the JIS #2 works way better than an SAE #2 even on SAE heads. Some kind of witchery
Hans' answer is the correct answer. Cam action driven rotation forced by the impact of a hammer strike. IMPACT DRIVE, the original. You should've seen the confused conversations on old forums back when the first electric impact screw drivers came out...
Along with others I was going to ask if that was actually phillips or is it actually JIS? I never knew JIS was a thing until I was watching James May's reassembler with the Honda monkey bike. At that point I realized why I could never find the right driver to work on my '70s Honda bike when I was but a young'un.
That's how I learned about JIS too! Bought a set off Amazon, and went out to my moms '89 Camry and proceeded to tighten every screw that I had previously used a Phillips on over the years. Got rid of so many squeaks and rattles, it almost feels like a new car.
1981, my grandfather taught me what an impact driver was. 1992, I mentioned my grandfather and the impact driver to an older friend. He said, “Harbor Freight has them. Next time I make a catalog order I’ll get you one.” And I’ll be damned... four to six weeks later, I had one. Still have it.
I think swappable bits will have an impact (no pun intended) on the performance of this tool. However, AvE did use a different version that could have its bit changed. Any added slop in the fastener to screwdriver shaft connection is added slop that the already minuscule throw this thing has would need to take up. I believe this particular model is so effective because it's converting more of the energy of that hard thwack into a fast and powerful effort to only turn the screw like 1 degree (which is also unlikely to cause the bit to cam-out). The tools with larger throws wouldn't mind so much about the slop because more energy is being used to rotate the screw up to 1/8th of a turn, which will take up the slop - but the trade-off is you get less torque to actually break the screw free.
It turns only 12 degrees, 1/30 of a full turn. If you have interchangeable heads, they will have some play, and you will loose most of that 12 degrees.
Don’t forget to always put some valve grinding compound on the head of the Philips head before loosening the screw for more grip/ “CHOOCHING POWER”! It’s an A&P mechanic trick.
I love the Vessel IMPACTA JIS (Japanese-Industrial-Standard) screwdriver 🪛. I bought one along with a 4 pound sledgehammer to get the infamous Honda JIS brake rotor screws out. Worked like a charm!
Maybe look at the new craftsman series if these. Looks awfully close does the same thing same 17 degree turn and guess what made in JApan also. Curious since everything else craftsman is made in China other than the few tiny things still made here
I did pick up some US made levels by Craftsman recently. They may have ordered a bunch from the Japanese in black and red. Here's to hoping Stanley B&D makes Craftsman better again
You have to try the wiha equivalent, I have it myself. Same screwdriver theory but has de nut! Works wonders and is great for breaking loose rust frozen screws. A pair of vice grips on the nut and a three pound sledge untweeks them all.
i had my poor snapy man in a panic looking for ISO screw driver set for me. took him two weeks to discover.. a Pozi drive would fit perfectly. oh.. but i have a set of those i said. you should really show the difference in tip angles between phillips.. and ISO/JIS/Pozidrive. i threw up an album over at imgur a few years back. about this will it fit subject imgur.com/a/AzYUm
you can't add a nut on the shaft because the shaft rotates as it gets depressed in when hit by a hammer .. there's a cam action happening inside the handle that loosens the screw when you hammer it .. that's why you can't have a hex on it .. besides why would you need the hex when the screwdriver is already doing the work for you?? think Ave .. think.
timp150 , true .. you can use it as a regular screw driver and an impact if the need arises .. funny that I bought it yesterday hours before this video came out and it works.
the hex is added to regular screw drivers to enable the user to exert more torque on a stubborn screw while the user is able to push down .. this screw driver does that job when hit by the hammer.. it rotates and pushes down as the same time .. if the fastener isn't too tight it can be used as a regular one.
They've actually got a model of it I found on amazon that has a hex built into the shaft right where it meets the plastic. Likely has a small cut-out to allow it to rotate/turn.
I think it'd be interesting if they could make one work like a spring loaded center punch so you could push down on the screwdriver and it'd automagically hit itself with a hammer.
The best is the Canadian invented, Robertson. You can put the screw on the tip and it stays in place, firmly. That allows you to carry your screw to the hole with just one hand. Damn handy when you're on your back under the car and daylight is fading fast. Same as when you take off the screw. Stays put and you don't drop it into the bowels of the engine compartment.
They say the phillips was invented as a way to prevent unskilled assembly-line workers from over-torquing the screws. The cam action of the tip ensures that you fight against yourself if you put too much torque.
Very entertaining presentation. One factoid about those Vessel auto-impact-drivers is that the ones that look like Philips are actually JIS (Japan's version of SAE) fasteners. They are not quite the same as Philips. That's a common reason why a regular Philips impact driver can strip the heads of these JIS types which are all you'll find on Honda and all other cross-head fasteners from Japan. The difference is, everything in Japan has a torque spec and this fastener can support that. After stripping out my brake rotor screws on the Honda I learned about this. All that said though, these are indeed great tools and really affordable. Seems like they work OK on western Philips heads too. If you look at the WIKI for JIS, they go into more technical detail.
ex-PFC Wintergreen I've heard that, but thought it might just be a rumor as it's hard enough to find the hole sometimes anyhow. +1 for the Japanese if true. Good aim
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Yep I have one. Love that screw driver for working on old Japanese motorcycles. Also to note, these are JIS screw drivers, not phillips. Which works great with JIS screws. This is why the motorcycle "phillips" screws strip so easy when we use a US phillips to take them out.
My girlfriend heard "geaaaaantlemmaaaaaaan" and she
Immediately said "oh god" lmfao
Once, i was on the cold crapper on a crisp fall morning watching ours truly, when the intro started and the old lady walked in almost perfectly mocking my phone "today, a treat especial, from the homeless deathspot, straight to your empire of dirt - *Bjjjzzjjzzzzzjjjzz *boom, TIME!!"
like she had heard all of it, many, many times before lololol
Imagine A World AMAZING. TREAT HER WELL
Exactly the same mine says
So... Now she has 2 black eyes?
My wife hears 'REV UP YOUR ENGINES!!!' and has the same reply
You gotta take that apart and show us how it chooches.
Already a vijeo with it broken apart showing the workings. ruclips.net/video/Q8QxPvDBJzE/видео.html
The key to it's action is in it's movement.
Welp, it’s still better than Wranglerstar.
wwsxa39 thanks! I too was wondering bout her inner workins
wranglerstar is a whiny knownothing drama queen that is for sale to the highest dollar
Japanese engineers are among the most innovative and detail oriented engineers in the world. I love working with them.
They must've taken your suggestion cause there's a updated version on Amazon that has the nut on it
LocTite makes a personal lubricant. It's the secret to a secure and stable marriage. We're inseperable.
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Based on my experience with loctite, you must have goose anatomy
You sticking to it?
620 is my favorite.
almost as good as gorillaglue for your hairdo
I bet someone in Japan wanted a cheap tool to remove those jeezless rotor lock screws on Honda brakes.
Yep
Yeah those things suck
First and only time i ever needed one of those, was japanese too
It helps if you use the right screw driver like a jis but people dont know that
Here in the rust belt, we just drill them out
I have both the Impacta Vessel and 'traditional' impact drivers and have been using both for years. The traditional style definitely has more 'oomph' but the Vessel works very well. Especially if you need to reach a screw that is difficult to access. The Vessel is VERY handy when splitting two stroke MC cases and can reach screws that a traditional hand impact cant. Downside is that the vessel is a one trick pony, only avail in PH 1, 2 & 3 sizes. Great vid!
They really need to make a set of hex’s
I’ve been using vessel for 20 years including that exact driver. Works great. More suited for loosening screws that were driven in by impact drivers as opposed to rusted screws. Vessel is better than any US manufacturer and it can be bought at any japanese hardware store! Their L key or allen wrenches are far superior too!
I tried tasting loctite red once, ten years ago ... still constipated.
nobiggeridiot 😀😁😂
You gotta chooch while you poosh, everybody knows that
Sooooooo, what you're saying is...... you're full of it... Bummer man.
Really? No sh!t!
Well you stick this here cross driver in the old crap shoot give it thwack with the old digit finder and it should chooch the jeezless stuff right outcha
One of the few times a narrow shaft is just as impactful as a girthy unit.
wymaen Only when the pokey bits vibrate on impact.
At least that's what my mother says....
What?!? She's an electrician!!
Story of my lif- Uhh, hahaaa good joke friendo
Giggity =^-^=
worldtraveler I want to press like button but I can't😉
.. "Get your ol' thumb detector here..." busted a gut on that one haha
Ive worked in a hardware store and that was a new one to me.
Famous hammer that flies. however, it only does that after your thumb gets in the way.
Wasnt expecting it when he said it too. I laughed
Yeah that’s a very good one :) .
*nut
I have a whole set of vessel screw drivers. Best tools I’ve bought yet. And they’re JIS.
Works even better if you smash your hand with the hammer...the hulk comes out and no threaded fastener stands a chance.
If by "hulk" you mean "acetylene torch" then I agree. It cant be tight if its a liquid.
Well there is that lol
AvE was holding it wrong. You're required to hold it with your thumb covering the top instead of wrapped around the side opposite your fingers.
I've been to reality...as the movie title says, it bites.
Ya right, more like you end up using a drill and a lot more cussing.
I absolutely love the "click" when you're cranking something down. Thanks for the chuckle.
I bought the set from Sears online and tried it on a set of reflectors that have been on my semi truck for over 20 years. Aluminum cab and stainless Phillips screws. Couple whacks and all 4 came out. Super impressed! Thanks for the tip!!!
Picked up a couple of these. They also are not Philips but JIS which is excellent when you don't want to round out the fasteners of your Nipponese product.
The day I found out Japanese Philips are just a smudge different than Western hemisphere Philips. I think the Japanese Philips works better all round
More importantly, that Vessel Impacta's pointy end is JIS (Japanese Industrial Standard), not Phillips. Big difference. Coming from the realm of J-A-Pan motorcycle repair, and their perpetually seized JIS carburetor screws, the Vessel Impacta's are the right proper cockfordollie...
WheeliePete Exactly what I was thinking, there is a very subtle difference between Philips and JIS , which is indiscernible to the naked eye, but makes a whole lot of difference if you own a Japanese motorcycle.
Tony Kennerley . The Phillips are supposed to cam out the jis are shaped so the don't (strip) cam out.
oh - would it mean that they won't be as likely to strip US/imperial phillips screws?
antigen4 . Being an impact driver should keep it engaged but a Phillips impact driver would do the same thing. I never used my jis drivers on craptacular phillips screws. I either lean on a Phillips driver and use a wrench on the shaft hex to turn it or punish it with an impact driver.
makes me miss robertson screws of my native canada (they have a recessed square ahank drive) - torx are lovely though .. :)
Drill/Spiral Tap combo.....You are a true man of danger.
it's actually not bad for aluminum
Yeah sure in a drill press or a mill but he's free hand drilling that so there is still a good chance of it binding even in aluminum.
Ya ain’t borrowing any o’my taps!
Also a countersink, but he didn't run it in that far for the countersink portion to hit the alum plate.
yeah he shows these in a video--apparently elekchickens use them for conduit or something and they actually work
This is brilliant. These things are perfect for working on old Japanese motorcycles. They use JIS head screws. A regular Phillips head screwdriver were cause them strip. If you get an old bike and see that all the screw heads are fucked up it is because whoever worked on it used a non-JIS Phillips screwdriver (or they were just bad at it). The screwdriver in this video is made to JIS specifications (which works perfectly fine on normal Phillips in addition to the screws on Japanese motorcycles). I just went and bought a #2 and #3 after seeing this video.
Yep, I've seen those in the tool stores, the Vessel brand is a good brand of screwdrivers.
Cheers from Tokyo eh?
I use that on Motorcycles to get to screws that I can't readily get to with a regular impact and since most things on some bikes are put on with Locktite it really helps. I am a 6'3" 300 lb gorilla and I have not tore it up yet. For smaller fasteners it is a real help.
I came early for the hopes you get to see this.. please keep up the amazing content. The knowledge and break downs really help me along with my career to avoid worthless buys. You have saved me a lot of headache and money with allowing me to learn a lot of tips and knowledge you have learned. Thank you.
Picked up one of these 6 months ago, and it is friggin MAGIC. 25 year old rusty crusty motorcycle screws don't stand a chance.
Living near the ocean, the big ass impact driver is my normal screwdriver
PapaWheelie corrosion inhibitors are your best friend..
Word
I got one of these and used it on my dad's old motorcycle that sat out in the AZ desert for 15 years. Worked like a charm.
what no 4Yo task master to keep you inline :-)
a thumbs up because i am still laughing from the last one
I did a video on these a week or two ago and Craftsman rebrands the Vessel impactas. Only way you can get a standard flat blade is with the craftsman set and only way you can get a #3 Phillips head is through Vessel. Take it apart and show us what makes it verk!
If you're a cobbler, buy the widest neck for one of these, cut the tip off. Go to a machinist, have'm cut you a Stanley bit driver's neck off with an appropriate hole size whilst also knurling you the tightest fit you can imagine, squeeze those two parts together (maybe even a spot of weld) and voila, universal impact bit drive, or you can buy a normal impact drive screw driver but with a slower turn.
aserta universal until you twist the tip off the bit you're using inside the head of the fastener, hence why fap-off makes special bits for their impact driver.
Good point, but what with the proliferation of impact nonsense these days, impact-rated screwdriver bits are a dime a dozen now.
Also, great idea!
May your swords stay sharp! (mysss29) I think these are meant for replacing the striking cap screwdrivers. Those are fine for a percussive attempt at breaking lose seized fasteners. In the end though it's always better with a little twisting action. We all know it's the twist at the end that gets it to come out...
aserta It really is an issue, the impact headed tools all take a special heat treat, and temper, otherwise they just shear the lobes off of the #2 phillips.
These are made for JIS screws. They look like Phillips BUT ARE NOT. They have a small dot on the head to indicate JIS standard. Using a Phillips screwdriver on a JIS screw will usually strip it if it is tight. JIS screws need JIS screwdrivers.
You want to really test it, try removing old carburetor float bowl screws. I hate philips head screws!
Thats a good idea but when you get someone's old junk you get what you get.
FireAndGasoline you think Philips are bad? Try tri wing screws on aircraft. The guy that invented those should be hung upside down by his toes!
Fireship1 never had the displeasure of those.
Try a JIS screwdriver instead, most motorcycles use these.
Vincent Schuit thanks, will have to try them. Haven't heard of those before.
I love the JDM brightly-colored packaging. No "serious" tool maker in our parts of the world would ever get away with that. Makes me smile.
I don’t know about you but that shaft seemed to not move. Could you please try it with a normal screwdriver? I am just an idiot here though. But seems like it would work with phillips
You are one smart Canadian.. Not being sarcastic at all, truly enjoy your videos and learn something each time. Thank you for it all
Just wanted to point out that regular loctite doesnt work on aluminium without an activator. This test may be invalid.
The wheel reinvented. I am very happy with the big fat heavy impact, got two of them. They never fail.
I would just put in a longer Phillips bit from the tool box.
I would just like to say AVE, I look forward to each of your vids, thank you.
Others pointed this out but I'm putting in mine too. The Japanese don't use Philips so what you're dealing with is actually JIS. Japanese Industrial Standard. Not a huge difference but sometimes it's the smallest details that matter. Research JIS because we all will at one time or another work on Japanese machinery.
Very nice! I'll hit the local Japanese hardware store near me and add one to my slowly growing collection.
Alex Tucker they are all over Amazon plus I'm pretty sure the new craftsman are made by the same company. It was curious to me as to why they were made in JApan instead of China like most other craftsman stuff today
I'd be curious to see if they are cheaper to buy here in Japan than to buy through Amazon.
Yeah but.. the dudes in Japan.. just sayin.
LOL!
Let us know if you end up tracking them down. I'm in Gunma and will check out Joyful Honda next weekend probably...
I use a 3/8 air impact with a Phillips on it to knock off corroded screws. Primarily on brake drums, in my line of work. Vorks like a charm!
he just called the hammer a thumb detector......brilliant.
he always does, welcome if you're new here, have fun watching all of uncle bumblefuck's vidjeos.
These saved me from stripping more brake disc screws. No matter how hard you hit the cap with a hammer, they just don't strip the screws. These are the only screwdrivers i use on my car.
Loctite may not be the best test here. In my expereince, with electronics, they use different types of loctites and thread locking adhesives, and a good smack on any normal screwdriver is enough to break the thread lock loose. You should find a test that compares a normal screwdriver, an impact screwdriver, and the new fangled screwdriver and see if it is the hammer impact doing the work or the slight turning that does the work.
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I love that I am not the only one who thinks that the red loctite gel that is in that tube smells AMAZING!!! I thought I was crazy! I still am but im not alone!
In the slomo against the loctite, it didn't look like it did much turning. Could you do a control test by smacking a regular screwdriver to make sure it wasn't a fluke?
Bontonswanson, it only turns 12 degrees .. even less when the bolt is very tight and the hand turns instead .. but as long as it turns the bolt enough to loosen it then who cares.
I'd just want to know if you could accomplish the same result with an ordinary screwderiver
Bontonswanson , ordinary screwdrivers don't rotate when hammered .. that's why the have impact drivers .. and ordinary screwdrivers.
When i did japanese motorcycle restoration for a living, i lived by the vessel JIS drivers. They also make through shank drivers with a steel handle end for hammering along with the hex on the shaft. The vessels are to screw drivers as knipex are to slip jaws.
Surprised he didn’t mention Canada’s beloved Robertson screw when he was complaining about philips.
jak p
I'm from Canada and we don't like to speak about the Robertson's bit, useless!
Wrong. Robertson is way better than Phillips or JIS.
Also, Robertson is owned by an US company and Phillips by a Canadian company.
Robertson squares on cheap screws are sometimes "between" sizes. They strip, especially when cheap soft metal.
Same with Phillips. But it's still possible to man bad fits around with a smaller Phillips (or even with a slot).
The beauty of the robertson is that it stays on the screwdriver for those hard to reach areas...without magnets which is not always a good thing and also does not work on aluminum screws. The only application i can think of where robertson is no good is a place where you need to repeatedly and quickly counter sink screws to a given depth like a drywall gun. tips would strip before long.
Clint .R Im Canadian too, but youre wrong lol id take a robby screw out of any of the 3 major types any day. Torx is by far the best, but robbys arent bad either.
I thought these have existed for decades? My dad has always sung their praises. Haven't seen a ton for sale though.
Ah, I see you have one of the Big Daddies later in the video.
Nut fucker almost engaged knucle fucker mode there, thought that cost extra.
What's the difference between that screwdriver and other striking cap screwdrivers? Does the shaft rotate in the handle?
The one thing I love about Japan is they make interesting tools.
Makita make a better one I have used mine for over a year now and still working good plus it’s got a clear handle so you can see how it works very simple but very affective 12 degrees of rotation with a single strike
John Green, this one turns by 12 degrees and has a very simple mechanism.. how do you know that your"Makita" isn't just a rebrand that was made by this company like the Craftsman ones??
John Green - Do you have a part# for the Makita version?
I got a #2 and a #3. The number three came in handy to loosten a data rack screw that someone must have run in with a drill motor. A couple of pops with a plastic mallet, and the over-tight, and almost stripped screw came right out! Definitely a good call, thanks!
You know what pisses me off about all of those manual impact drivers? They all take 5/16" bits! It's a god damned conspiracy.
I agree wholeheartedly. Buying 5/16 is total suck. 1/4 (and 1/8 and 3/8) ftw!
Just the fact that you have loosening and hammering together, synchronized. The shock breaks things loose.
Sounding like a broken record here, but I was so much hoping for a turkey carving vijeo with the Borsch mini-chainsaw on Thanksgiving
I bought a Vessel Impacta #3 JIS last year to change the front brake discs on my Honda. Worked a treat undoing the disc retaining screws. Was a bargain at the price too.... Love watching your channel - hugely informative and immensely entertaining.
I don't see what the big deal is here. Why would you even use such a device? Clearly the solution is welding. Sincerely, a welder.
xD
What do you say to the guy with the 70 IQ?
Nice weld!
The welding foreman at work told me that years ago, probably not pc these days. lol
Craig McMaster who cares if its "PC" PC culture is a cancer. Its ruined the things that we could laugh at and talk about openly, now we have to watch our backs because someone might, maybe, possibly, will get offended.
Clearly the solution is an oxygen lance. Sincerely, a scrapper.
@@CraigMcMaster What did the drummer get on his IQ test? Drool. How do you know the stage riser is level? The drool runs out of both sides of the drummer's mouth.
I got a pair of those. Different brand but mine are identical. They dont give much turn but sometimes it's just enough and definitely worth trying before you start drilling. I often wonder how much of the turning actually goes to the screw and how much is lost in your hand holding the handle
They're available through Sears under the craftsman name slotted and Phillips for $30
josh maier , got them last night for $17.99 .. made in Japan too.
good deal right! hope they start having more vessel made screwdrivers soon, i like the handles
I went to Sears to buy one and wtf no Sears
I bought one just because I could get it delivered on amazon for under $20 and I work on a lot of CNC machines from Japan.
All of the terminal screws are JIS phillips. This screw driver has been worth it to me, plus it holds on to regular phillips better than other screw drivers I have. I will have to replace it because it is starting to wear out, but I still stand by it's well worth the $12 plus shipping I got it for.
"Hrnnnn... CLICK"
Hahaha torque elbow
I have used this screwdriver to take out Honda disc brake screws. You really need to give it a good wack but it really does the job.
If only that hammer mechanism was inside of a good ol klien multi
This just showed up in my RUclips suggestions. I've actually had this screwdriver for a while now and I love it. The best part is that somehow the JIS #2 works way better than an SAE #2 even on SAE heads. Some kind of witchery
"Thumb detector" LOL
1:36 I love when someone can admit when they were wrong.
One of the main factors in me choosing youtubers to watch is credibly, and this shows a ton.
But.. How does it work?
rookieno1 there's a spring mechanism inside that turns the shaft when it's hit
you mean vork
James F
No. It's a cam, like a bolt on a bolt action rifle. The downward force of the hammer blow forces it to ride on a ramp.
`Verk`?
Hans' answer is the correct answer. Cam action driven rotation forced by the impact of a hammer strike. IMPACT DRIVE, the original. You should've seen the confused conversations on old forums back when the first electric impact screw drivers came out...
Shoutout for following up on my comment! High speed footage even! You rock man
Along with others I was going to ask if that was actually phillips or is it actually JIS? I never knew JIS was a thing until I was watching James May's reassembler with the Honda monkey bike. At that point I realized why I could never find the right driver to work on my '70s Honda bike when I was but a young'un.
That's how I learned about JIS too!
Bought a set off Amazon, and went out to my moms '89 Camry and proceeded to tighten every screw that I had previously used a Phillips on over the years. Got rid of so many squeaks and rattles, it almost feels like a new car.
hahaha (that's awesome!)
1981, my grandfather taught me what an impact driver was. 1992, I mentioned my grandfather and the impact driver to an older friend. He said, “Harbor Freight has them. Next time I make a catalog order I’ll get you one.” And I’ll be damned... four to six weeks later, I had one. Still have it.
*Anyone know a good brand with swappable bits?*
Thanks!
I think swappable bits will have an impact (no pun intended) on the performance of this tool. However, AvE did use a different version that could have its bit changed. Any added slop in the fastener to screwdriver shaft connection is added slop that the already minuscule throw this thing has would need to take up. I believe this particular model is so effective because it's converting more of the energy of that hard thwack into a fast and powerful effort to only turn the screw like 1 degree (which is also unlikely to cause the bit to cam-out). The tools with larger throws wouldn't mind so much about the slop because more energy is being used to rotate the screw up to 1/8th of a turn, which will take up the slop - but the trade-off is you get less torque to actually break the screw free.
Cool. Thanks!
@@thenwhoami, what prevents taking the slop out with a little pre-load torque on the driver?
That screwdriver looks super handy.
I need this with an end to allow for swapping of bits for hex, torix, or those damn phillips head
It turns only 12 degrees, 1/30 of a full turn. If you have interchangeable heads, they will have some play, and you will loose most of that 12 degrees.
you can get one from hazard fraught
Don’t forget to always put some valve grinding compound on the head of the Philips head before loosening the screw for more grip/ “CHOOCHING POWER”! It’s an A&P mechanic trick.
Click! I laugh my ass off every damn time
I love the Vessel IMPACTA JIS (Japanese-Industrial-Standard) screwdriver 🪛. I bought one along with a 4 pound sledgehammer to get the infamous Honda JIS brake rotor screws out. Worked like a charm!
It is a very interesting tool. As. Retired toolmaker, I do appreciate the technical descriptions along the way. Gonna get me one!
Found it on amazon, 17 USD. Search Amazon for B003BI8HHQ and it't find it. Think I'mma gonna acquire one for my collection
Maybe look at the new craftsman series if these. Looks awfully close does the same thing same 17 degree turn and guess what made in JApan also. Curious since everything else craftsman is made in China other than the few tiny things still made here
If u want it to work many times buy Japanese. If u want it cheep and work only once buy it from China!
I did pick up some US made levels by Craftsman recently. They may have ordered a bunch from the Japanese in black and red. Here's to hoping Stanley B&D makes Craftsman better again
tried one on a old bit of German engineering.its now part of my screwchisel set.
What happened to your drawing robot vidjeo?
You have to try the wiha equivalent, I have it myself. Same screwdriver theory but has de nut! Works wonders and is great for breaking loose rust frozen screws. A pair of vice grips on the nut and a three pound sledge untweeks them all.
i had my poor snapy man in a panic looking for ISO screw driver set for me. took him two weeks to discover.. a Pozi drive would fit perfectly. oh.. but i have a set of those i said. you should really show the difference in tip angles between phillips.. and ISO/JIS/Pozidrive. i threw up an album over at imgur a few years back. about this will it fit subject imgur.com/a/AzYUm
wayne p;
Thanks for the info.
Cool info there, thumbs up
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Marked as dangerous by what? That link is to is Imgur, which is a pretty popular image sharing site.
PoignantPirate I just wanted to inform you. Chrome told me so.
I bought one of these a few months ago and love it. It's pricey but worth it
Sears aka Craftsman rebrands them also
If you have a sears near you
R.I.P. - SEARS
ACE hardware sells Craftsman now
Fox Wright they sell craftsman still don't they?
I wouldn't be trusting advice from a guy named "budget tools"
These work well. But I found that putting some torque on the handle while you hit the end with the hammer seems to cause it to work even better.
Next time I get in an argument with the misses I'll give it try.
This worked a lot better than I thought it would.
you can't add a nut on the shaft because the shaft rotates as it gets depressed in when hit by a hammer .. there's a cam action happening inside the handle that loosens the screw when you hammer it .. that's why you can't have a hex on it .. besides why would you need the hex when the screwdriver is already doing the work for you?? think Ave .. think.
So you can use it as a regular screw driver, without having an impact driver separately. One less tool you need in a pinch.
timp150 , true .. you can use it as a regular screw driver and an impact if the need arises .. funny that I bought it yesterday hours before this video came out and it works.
the hex is added to regular screw drivers to enable the user to exert more torque on a stubborn screw while the user is able to push down .. this screw driver does that job when hit by the hammer.. it rotates and pushes down as the same time .. if the fastener isn't too tight it can be used as a regular one.
Mold the nut into the handle and not the shaft, and because the handle can turn freely designe the shaft to ratchet. Now that's the dingis for Debby.
They've actually got a model of it I found on amazon that has a hex built into the shaft right where it meets the plastic. Likely has a small cut-out to allow it to rotate/turn.
I think it'd be interesting if they could make one work like a spring loaded center punch so you could push down on the screwdriver and it'd automagically hit itself with a hammer.
Does anyone else just use a hammer and a regular screwdriver for this... Or is it just me?
Jeff Garinger these actually have a mechanism inside that turns the screw when you hit it
new AvE? Why yes, yes I will!!
my old man had impact drivers 30 years ago
I bought my first one 50 years ago and it looks a lot like this one. I still use it.
My mom had two back in 1876 she used them to free up the bolts on her butter churn
I bought one a few centuries ago, but screws weren't a thing back then.
Noah used one to build the arc.
CoachJM how old are you....
Your narration is pure gold.
philips: the most useless frusterating bit ever devised, robby for the win
The best is the Canadian invented, Robertson. You can put the screw on the tip and it stays in place, firmly. That allows you to carry your screw to the hole with just one hand. Damn handy when you're on your back under the car and daylight is fading fast. Same as when you take off the screw. Stays put and you don't drop it into the bowels of the engine compartment.
They say the phillips was invented as a way to prevent unskilled assembly-line workers from over-torquing the screws. The cam action of the tip ensures that you fight against yourself if you put too much torque.
I just use magnetic bits when needed. And my bit preferences won't change whatever bits the factory used to assemble the things I gotta disassemble.
@@codetech5598 Correct back in the day when fasteners were more like lead than tool steel.
Very entertaining presentation. One factoid about those Vessel auto-impact-drivers is that the ones that look like Philips are actually JIS (Japan's version of SAE) fasteners. They are not quite the same as Philips. That's a common reason why a regular Philips impact driver can strip the heads of these JIS types which are all you'll find on Honda and all other cross-head fasteners from Japan. The difference is, everything in Japan has a torque spec and this fastener can support that. After stripping out my brake rotor screws on the Honda I learned about this. All that said though, these are indeed great tools and really affordable. Seems like they work OK on western Philips heads too. If you look at the WIKI for JIS, they go into more technical detail.
2:40 Yep. Screwed.
Vessels are really good for JIS screws. In the semiconductor field that's what we use for the Japanese robots.
Surprised this isn't censored like their porn
ex-PFC Wintergreen I've heard that, but thought it might just be a rumor as it's hard enough to find the hole sometimes anyhow. +1 for the Japanese if true. Good aim
Using phillips drivers on a positive drive head is a quick way to make an easy job hard.
I like the form factor, nice if it came in a set.
A Screw un fucker nice!
Bought a set of Vessel drivers a few years ago and was surprised to find one of these included. I agree - it is a brilliant ide-er!!