Imagine the amount of effort used to create something like this. Literally taking a chip and writing singlehandedly fully-working drivers for it. Those guys are way too good at what they're doing.
Well, as far as i know, the m1 uses arm instruction set (namely aarch64 most likely, but i am not sure). Technicaly speaking, linux itself should be able to run, on the chip since the instruction set is public, and we have compilers for it. The extra features of the processor like the neural engine are the more challenging tasks. Which does not make this anything less, its still an enormous job to do:)
@@GaryBlackbourne It's a bit more complicated than that Yes, all SoCs look the same to aarch64 programs, but that applies only to the userspace. Kernel however, has to interface with quite a bit of hardware. For example the interrupt controller. It's a bespoke Apple implementation, yet it is needed to run most software (since generating interrupts is one of the major ways programs can signal things). Same goes for spinning up CPUs, changing their settings and many other low-level knobs and switches
@@taccntb4345 Windows native support is nearly impossible imo. Even if it does, the fact that it runs on ARM chip will make a lot of programs unusable, including games, which is the benefit of running windows machines. Windows KVM on Linux machine is relatively more likely imo
Eh. These people tend to be assholes. You’ll ask for help they’ll say make a driver and make fun of you. These people might make cool stuff but they don’t respect you for asking for help
@Alex Wolff 1. Reverse engineering M1 isn't impressive?! They literally had to write everything from scratch with no documentation. 2. Almost no one hates Wayland. In fact, it's now supported by all major DEs and often comes as a default. Even Nvidia made some effort to support it. 3. Have a great day! :)
if anyone watching this has problems focusing while writing code, i would strongly suggest you play one of the Asahi Linux work streams in the background (you can find them here on RUclips) it works like a charm!! it is almost like ASMR! the typing and the occasional talking makes me feel more focused on what i'm doing, i'm not sure how also, if it works that way for you, the work streams are like 5+ hours long (the person, (i guess Hector Martin?) really works for that long on the live stream!) it gives me motivation to work longer and that makes working even more fun!
@@not_hehe__, that doesn’t meme sense in this context because there is a big difference between making SoCs and being founded guilty in a civil trial for the murders, while being found not guilty in a criminal trial.
"Hey Linux developers, If you thought Nvidia was a painful company to deal with , let me introduce to you Apple! The company that deny you even exist no matter how successful you are"
I am learning front end and I can’t believe how ignorant I was about the devices I was using, I took everything for granted. But now I have so much respect for what happens in the background. Truly works of art in my new paradigm shift.
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"my mom took me to the apple store" I love the humor, thanks. And is cool you are supporting this project, I was in the same boat.
I use Arch btw; mostly use gui installers because I simply don't feel like doing it at the cmd-line (that's why I have FreeBSD around). I also have Windows for when I want stomach ulcers, but that's a different story. Glad to hear you're having some fun with that M1 system (I want an M1 mac mini myself - eventually, I'll get around to buying one). Good vid; I liked the commentary.
Yeh, I was pretty sure I recalled benchmarks showing that various AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU have better performance, they also have about a fifth or a sixth of the battery though.
Correction: he said CONSUMER CHIP not "Chip" in general i.e. the fastest chip in an OEM system for personal use aka NOT a server which obviously has much faster processors avalible. I think he was also referring to the M1 SoC in general including all the variants e.g. M1 Ultra of which I do believe may be the fastest consumer-level chip (for now). He definately should've clarified though since Asahi Linux doesn't run on the Macintosh Studio YET...
@@xPandamon I read somewhere, Windows 10 was intended to be the last Windows. And would be updated incrementally. But look, it's Windows 11 came out. Anyway, incremental update doesn't bring more money. New Windows Version = more buyer, and more money.
@@serang "Windows 10 is the last Windows" has never been said by a Microsoft official, but some dude working with them. It has since been repeated countless times and taken out of context. And so far Windows 11 isn't even really buyable on the form of keys, so I don't see where it makes them money, if anything they lose money since it eats a lot of ressources and time to develop something new. Also, incremental updates have nothing to do with a new version of something
@@xPandamon "Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." - Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conference.
@@starletscarlet Yeah, thank you for repeating it. That guy said it but it wasn't scripted or anything and wasn't dismissed but also never fully acknowledged. It was a stupid thing to say and was meant to say that Windows 10 is the latest version, not the last one
I used Manjaro (arch based) on my PC and i was briliant even games were runing smoothly!! I going to install it on my new laptop as well! Very stable good linux
@@deepspacecow2644 "Linux From Scratch" is not really an operating system distribution. For something to be a distribution there needs to be something that is actually being distributed.
I’ve been daily driving Asahi on the M1 for a week. The only thing keeping me from continuing to use it as such is that neither VS Code, Sublime Text, any JetBrain IDEs nor Atom are working, and using the alternative software is just too inconvenient.
I'm using Lite-XL and it's pretty good, It has almost all the text editing features that VS code has in the form of pluggins, but they need some setup before using.
*Correction: Threadripper is the most powerful CPU. It just... requires the energy of an entire city block and costs.... a lot. I will say, as I do a lot of cinematography, being able to deal with my 6k footage in ProRes Raw with 0 effort, yeah - that makes me happy in the pants. I do love my M1 Max MBP. More than I love my mother.
Why are using Threadripper for doing 6K prores stuff? Its better to invest in a better GPU and use Davinci Resolve and just bypass using trash Adobe stuff. Not to mention color grading on Resolve is leagues better than whatever else is out there
@@chickenpasta7359 i didn’t say I was using a threadripper for 6k prores. I’m using a MBP M1 Max, and I was praising it for its ability to chomp through footage.
Excellent video, I use Arch, btw. Tho I don't feel any elitism for it, I just found it easier for me to learn, not having to deal with backports, dependency hell, shit old bugs that where fixed just 1 day after the distro froze it's packages, and those things >.
Just got myself a Mac aswell, I'm very surprised how long it takes to install anything. 4 hours to fresh install the OS 3 hours for xcode 2 ish hours to get updated with latest OS version
I had a barely working Mac that took minutes to even render a single click in the UI. I installed Fedora on it, and it finally started working as a normal computer. There are some artifacts and errors, but it works reasonably well.
@@rkvkydqf mine is one of the touchbar ones, the touchbar isn't working (water damage) so it wouldn't boot except safe mode (unusable), I put in Ubuntu and it's a beast. Linux is awesome.
Small correction, m1 is not the most powerful consumer chip on the market. Maybe for laptops but not desktop. Though I'm really happy there's another competitor for the CPU space
Since using arch has become widely spread, I started writing my own RISC-V cpu from scratch on FPGA then slapped my own linux image made with my own BSD by yocto.
It’s the most powerful chip because it’s not just a CPU, the SoC has almost all components on one chip. The graph says it beats the 3090 at 200Watts, which it does
which is cheating if you want to call yourself an arch user, but its a much easier way to get started, which is cheating if you want to call yourself an arch user Lmao😂
@MatZ As an arch user I get the joke but thought he was referring two times to the joke that a gui installer is cheating to an arch user. But I suppose I misheard it so thanks for clarifying that part.
no i think it was intended to emphasise how arch users who brag about installing arch the difficult way and thus making fun of them(perhaps) i use arch btw
@@reidlab Ubuntu is just easier to use than it's competitors such as Arch Linux* plus it has everything that you need graphically in the OOBE which competitors to Ubuntu do not provide or at least not very well**. *this could also apply to Debian but who uses that outdated junk these days? **Fedora might also provide a good OOBE but to be fair, I've never used Fedora Linux or RHEL.
I bought MacBook Pro 14" with M1 Max and it's perfect for work, coding. I can also run Windows 11 or Linux (Kali & Debian with KDE fits for me) via Parallels like native OS. Try it, really worth
As a hardcore Linux/Free Software nerd (I use gentoo on a 12 y/o ThinkPad T60 and code in VIM while despising Soyblime, that's how much of a nerd I am) I have hated on Apple/Macs for years and there are still many things I really dislike about the company (brand practices, advertising), the hardware (repairability, lockout mechanisms, documentation, compatibility), the users (I work at a university and the money wasted on Apple products by both faculty and students who have zero use for those products and would do just as well on a 400 $ BestBuy laptop but like MacBooks because of "muh Apple!" is insane) and the software (mainly the fact that MacOS is still not Linux, even though it's better than Windows). But even to me, those new M1 chips *really* look extremely interesting. The power/performance ratio of those things is insane. I really, really hope that other companies will start to work on better ARM chips as well. A ThinkPad with a high-performance ARM chip and the battery life of a MacBook would be great. Grudgingly, I have to admit that Apple probably did something right here for once. I really enjoy that the Linux community has outsmarted (if you can call it that) Apple once again, though.
I watched nearly 30 hours of NCommander installing linux from scratch, and after going back to a vanilla arch install, it's like using linux made for the elderly. Relatively speaking of course.
0:41 I wouldn't say "they are literally the most powerful consumer chips in the market". Right now, that would be Core i9 12900k (Not counting Threadrippers). However, compared to the M1 chips, that CPU is a hot, power hungry mess
@@odytrice Threadrippers are huge desktop processors in the 3000+ dollars pricepoint. So you aren't wrong. Its the best chip in the laptop market I would say now. And the m1 ultra just destroyed the thread rippers anyhow.
A few members of my team recently got m1 macs, and have had nothing but problems with them. Applications either run awfully or aren't supported. We had to change our docker images just to slightly improve performance for our m1 devs 🤮 one dev gave up, sold the m1, and got an older mac
They're arm chips, they don't have the software support yet. That being said, ARM is legitimately better than x86 in every single way. Yes, every single conceivable way. It turns out having thousands of instructions that are never used taking up space on your CPU wastes energy and reduces performance. ARM is simply a better architecture, it is just not adopted. Just like x86 used to be back in the day, before it overtook PowerPC. Mark my words, ARM will obsolesce x86 in the next 10 years, just like x86 killed PowerPC.
Apple silicone isn't "a game changer in terms of performance" and they're not "the most powerful consumer chips" by any metric ... They're a game changer in terms of power efficiency and battery life, not performance
@@mohammedalkhateem But consider, our current faster chips are limited by heat and wattage, right? If they took no energy and produced no heat, we could make them infinitely faster. But ARM gets very close performance, with maybe a fifth of the energy cost. It has huuuuge room to grow. This isn't the max potential. The M1 Ultra is already faster than just about any consumer chip... and its so much more efficient. You could stack 3 of them, and still not use as much heat or energy as the top of the line x86 chip. And the performance would be otherworldly.
@@sporqist "xcode-select" comes preinstalled with macOS, you don't need to install Xcode to have the tool. I know the name implies otherwise, but yes, that's Apple ...
what do you mean, 'runs'? Compile times? Seem equal, saw a vid of a guy compiling nushell, 2 mins on both. Compared to my... over FCKNG FIVE MINS on brand new Intel laptop.... But faster than OSX, what is faster?
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
Bruh, I also bought a $2000 ARM MacBook recently. I think it’s blazing fast, but it struggles with simple things like keep track of VSCode PATH env variables. This could be a VSCode problem to be fair, as there is a special version of VSCode for ARM. I have to keep setting it in VSCode every time, lol. Other than that though, it’s a lot faster than my old x86 MacBook. Edit: I still don’t have Arch installed :(. I guess I’ll try it out one day, maybe.
There is little to no reason to install Linux on a Mac. Mac OS has a decent terminal and Brew as a package manager covers most open source install needs. Unlike Linux, with Mac OS you can run Adobe CC and the Affinity Suite which don't have a good linux counter part. Gimp and ink scape don't cut it.
Imagine the amount of effort used to create something like this. Literally taking a chip and writing singlehandedly fully-working drivers for it. Those guys are way too good at what they're doing.
_"If it ain't broke, I'll fix it!"_
The world needs more forward thinkers like this.
Well, as far as i know, the m1 uses arm instruction set (namely aarch64 most likely, but i am not sure). Technicaly speaking, linux itself should be able to run, on the chip since the instruction set is public, and we have compilers for it. The extra features of the processor like the neural engine are the more challenging tasks. Which does not make this anything less, its still an enormous job to do:)
@@GaryBlackbourne It's a bit more complicated than that
Yes, all SoCs look the same to aarch64 programs, but that applies only to the userspace. Kernel however, has to interface with quite a bit of hardware. For example the interrupt controller. It's a bespoke Apple implementation, yet it is needed to run most software (since generating interrupts is one of the major ways programs can signal things).
Same goes for spinning up CPUs, changing their settings and many other low-level knobs and switches
@@DemPilafian macOS is broke.
@@DemPilafian i'm broke. can you fix me?
After this reflection at 1:59 you can tell that he was really impressed by the dual boot menu with Asahi 🤣
keep in mind this isnt asahi's boot manager :P
The mad lad literally done it!
:o
This is just the macOS boot menu
The reaction was like: I hacked apple hardware!
I develop rust (btw) apps on vim (btw) using arch (btw) running on M1 (btw) silicon all the while using a Dvorak (btw) config. kinesis ergo (btw) .
is vim a platform now?
The most elite among all the elites
Could not get more elitist than that
@@treyquattro{insert always has been meme}
@@sortsvane Vince McMahon reaction meme works well here too.
"It comes with a setup wizard, which is basically cheating if you want to call yourself an Arch user" 😂🤣 dying lolz
"But it makes it much easier to get started, which is cheating if you want to call yourself an Arch user" 😂
@@akashrajpurohit97 LMFAO
@@akashrajpurohit97 I think that was not a lag or error in the video, I think he really repeated it
I love Linux and the cli. Id really like to see if we can get stable copy of Windows Dual booting with the M1 chipset.
@@taccntb4345 Windows native support is nearly impossible imo. Even if it does, the fact that it runs on ARM chip will make a lot of programs unusable, including games, which is the benefit of running windows machines. Windows KVM on Linux machine is relatively more likely imo
Linux community impresses me more and more every day
same bro
Eh. These people tend to be assholes. You’ll ask for help they’ll say make a driver and make fun of you. These people might make cool stuff but they don’t respect you for asking for help
Dude yeah, this reminds me of that time they installed Ubuntu on a Nintendo switch literally the month it was released to the market
We tend to build amazing things together when we're not arguing about minor design choices.
@Alex Wolff 1. Reverse engineering M1 isn't impressive?! They literally had to write everything from scratch with no documentation.
2. Almost no one hates Wayland. In fact, it's now supported by all major DEs and often comes as a default. Even Nvidia made some effort to support it.
3. Have a great day! :)
we have a new level of flex... "i use Arch with macOS dualboot on ARM", i don't think life gets more complicated than that
..BTW
"I don't think life gets more complicated than that" Agreed 100% 😂
get rid of the dualboot part you don't need it, it actually makes you look worse
arch is really not that complicated.
@@jjtt it's not, but it can be, if you want
That astonished face when you realize it's all real is priceless 🔥🔥
I knew It was real once I read the title.
I agree
Face reveal 👀👀
@@DrDarppolar bear 😂
Bro literally doxxed/face revealed himself with a POG face at 1:59 lol
if anyone watching this has problems focusing while writing code, i would strongly suggest you play one of the Asahi Linux work streams in the background (you can find them here on RUclips)
it works like a charm!!
it is almost like ASMR!
the typing and the occasional talking makes me feel more focused on what i'm doing, i'm not sure how
also, if it works that way for you, the work streams are like 5+ hours long (the person, (i guess Hector Martin?) really works for that long on the live stream!)
it gives me motivation to work longer and that makes working even more fun!
links
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@@0xhhhhff there you go ruclips.net/user/marcan42videos
Marcan
ruclips.net/user/marcan42videos
channel with ton of streams
Wait, so you listen to other people code while you code to help you code?
The reflection bits are great. I mean, I'm not sure how you'd film it otherwise, but yeah, you made the best choice with doing that
Apple: This hardware *will not* be able to run any other operating system or kernel.
Linux community: Hold my fedora.
Hold my Black Hat))
Apple never said that, I never read that anywhere when they were talking about the Apple silicon series of chips.
OJ never said he did it either, doesn't mean he actually didn't.@@DenOfTimbsllc
@@not_hehe__, that doesn’t meme sense in this context because there is a big difference between making SoCs and being founded guilty in a civil trial for the murders, while being found not guilty in a criminal trial.
But a lot of people running both macOS and windows on MacBook I think
Now run a VM from your Arch Linux with Windows OS and then from there run Mac OS somehow... I need the full loop, that would be hilarious.
He already did it here ruclips.net/video/dQw4w9WgXcQ/видео.html
@@dogcodes oh hell no. normally it doesnt work on me but this time you got me.
@@multiarray2320 you win some, you lose some 😉
@@dogcodes damn it
@@dogcodes lol at the the rickroll video having 1 billion, 177 million views hahaha
"It actually works somewhat OK for the most part", that's the best description of using linux
@user-mg7ce8ov7i well someone's angry
any OS really
The main difference between Windows and Linux:
On Windows everything allmost works
On Linux allmost everything works
Eh, who needs Bluetooth, anyways?
"Hey Linux developers, If you thought Nvidia was a painful company to deal with , let me introduce to you Apple! The company that deny you even exist no matter how successful you are"
Everytime I see your notification it always brings a slight smile on my face.
Yeah
Cuz we're all somehow depressed I guess..
@@user-vp1ff6ic8d oh the misery….
hope it's not wind
I'm loving this series, keep up the great work, Jeff!
I like how you're using the words necessary for the readme of your open source library 😉
i was wondering if anybody else noted that
Wait he did? Lmao
I am learning front end and I can’t believe how ignorant I was about the devices I was using, I took everything for granted. But now I have so much respect for what happens in the background. Truly works of art in my new paradigm shift.
"my mom took me to the apple store" I love the humor, thanks. And is cool you are supporting this project, I was in the same boat.
I use Arch btw; mostly use gui installers because I simply don't feel like doing it at the cmd-line (that's why I have FreeBSD around). I also have Windows for when I want stomach ulcers, but that's a different story. Glad to hear you're having some fun with that M1 system (I want an M1 mac mini myself - eventually, I'll get around to buying one).
Good vid; I liked the commentary.
Correction: m1 is definitely not the fastest chip, but by far has the best speed / power consumption ratio
Yeh, I was pretty sure I recalled benchmarks showing that various AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU have better performance, they also have about a fifth or a sixth of the battery though.
Correction: he said CONSUMER CHIP not "Chip" in general i.e. the fastest chip in an OEM system for personal use aka NOT a server which obviously has much faster processors avalible. I think he was also referring to the M1 SoC in general including all the variants e.g. M1 Ultra of which I do believe may be the fastest consumer-level chip (for now). He definately should've clarified though since Asahi Linux doesn't run on the Macintosh Studio YET...
Pretty sure he was being ironic
@@NithinJune until you realise m1 laptops are really the only laptops you can use without being pluged in wall
Of course it has the best "by far" speed / power consumption ratio. It's a damn ARM chip.
My favorite code report so far :)
hey why/how are ya not verified?
@@kanishk9490i will boot your ass distros
dude you bring joy to the world, don’t ever stop making videos 😭
Arch runs on everything even on Android in a kvm virtual machine
That's not impressive at all. Or maybe, it is, just way less than what Arch can run on.
You mean, it runs on Patrick, too?
Kernel virtual machine virtual machine?
1:38 This is why I use Arch. Big updates are just hell. Crazy that Windows and MacOS still don't support incremental updates.
Pretty sure that's exactly what Windows 11 does or intends to do
@@xPandamon I read somewhere, Windows 10 was intended to be the last Windows. And would be updated incrementally. But look, it's Windows 11 came out.
Anyway, incremental update doesn't bring more money. New Windows Version = more buyer, and more money.
@@serang "Windows 10 is the last Windows" has never been said by a Microsoft official, but some dude working with them. It has since been repeated countless times and taken out of context. And so far Windows 11 isn't even really buyable on the form of keys, so I don't see where it makes them money, if anything they lose money since it eats a lot of ressources and time to develop something new. Also, incremental updates have nothing to do with a new version of something
@@xPandamon "Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." - Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conference.
@@starletscarlet Yeah, thank you for repeating it. That guy said it but it wasn't scripted or anything and wasn't dismissed but also never fully acknowledged. It was a stupid thing to say and was meant to say that Windows 10 is the latest version, not the last one
I used Manjaro (arch based) on my PC and i was briliant even games were runing smoothly!! I going to install it on my new laptop as well! Very stable good linux
2 weeks later: apple fixes this bug and directly accesess bios to block any boot options upon install of macos
wouldnt be suprised
This is not a bug, it directly allows disabling the check that prevents you from running unsigned stuff
FACTS
@@Spacey. I would be surprised if they didn't fix the bug 😂
Imagine if they see the value in internally using this and open up the documentation.
0:06 no gentoo is the most elite.
Arch is easy to install nowadays because of the new installer I hear.
Are you really a real linux user if you don't run LFS?
@@deepspacecow2644 "Linux From Scratch" is not really an operating system distribution.
For something to be a distribution there needs to be something that is actually being distributed.
I’ve been daily driving Asahi on the M1 for a week. The only thing keeping me from continuing to use it as such is that neither VS Code, Sublime Text, any JetBrain IDEs nor Atom are working, and using the alternative software is just too inconvenient.
I'm using Lite-XL and it's pretty good, It has almost all the text editing features that VS code has in the form of pluggins, but they need some setup before using.
Firstly belated happy birthday brother !
Secondly, I can totally relate with the monkey shown at the end.
*Correction: Threadripper is the most powerful CPU. It just... requires the energy of an entire city block and costs.... a lot. I will say, as I do a lot of cinematography, being able to deal with my 6k footage in ProRes Raw with 0 effort, yeah - that makes me happy in the pants. I do love my M1 Max MBP. More than I love my mother.
“Consumer”
anyway AMD aren't producing new threadrippers anymore, they now expect you to buy EPYC CPUs instead
@@npgoalkeeper Threadripper is consumer, otherwise I would have said buy their EPYC CPUs instead.
Why are using Threadripper for doing 6K prores stuff? Its better to invest in a better GPU and use Davinci Resolve and just bypass using trash Adobe stuff. Not to mention color grading on Resolve is leagues better than whatever else is out there
@@chickenpasta7359 i didn’t say I was using a threadripper for 6k prores. I’m using a MBP M1 Max, and I was praising it for its ability to chomp through footage.
The sound fx on your videos are the best part 😂
Why are we all named Jeff?
Man..something about Fireship feels so professional 💯
Excellent video, I use Arch, btw.
Tho I don't feel any elitism for it, I just found it easier for me to learn, not having to deal with backports, dependency hell, shit old bugs that where fixed just 1 day after the distro froze it's packages, and those things >.
@0xff01 yeah that too :)
I loved this trip from start to end, keep bringing us fire content ;-)
The biggest problem with the Mac is that it comes with the Apple
“Buys a Mac, goes to Olive Garden.” Typing this on an iPad that I set up in an Olive Garden becoase I couldn’t wait to try it out.
i use arch inside my windows macbook btw
I'm in stitches 🤣, superb commentary
3:00 It's look like arch linux logo but in amogus
Finally got around to watching this. Looks like i need to try and install Arch tonight...
Just got myself a Mac aswell, I'm very surprised how long it takes to install anything.
4 hours to fresh install the OS
3 hours for xcode
2 ish hours to get updated with latest OS version
3 hours for xcode? That's unbelievable
@@daniloh8113 1 or 2 of those hours is just to download it
it is like 20 gigs last time i installed it
and the apple servers have a speed cap
Didn’t want a Mac to begin with, but now I still don’t want a Mac. Thanks(:
What do you mean 4 hrs to fresh install OS, Asahi or macOS
I call it shitty processing power.
Even my phone installs ubuntu faster
Really nice information. Thanks for making such insightful videos.
Running arch for 4 years straight now, never looked back.
"He's behiiiind yoooooo""
@@jackladd4332 still not looking back....
I'm not sure if I'm the only one, but I'd love to see other updates on the topic ❤
powerful consumer chip...only in marketing
Which is also good? :=)
Most powerful consumer (laptop) chip, (that can actually hold battery for any significant time while doing useful work)
You guys should absolutely watch asahi lina's streams. Its super exciting
2 years ago, during the lockdown, i've installed arch on a mid-2014 MBP and, oh boy, was it a fun journey ^_^"
during the lockdown...
2 years ago already?
@@Deniil2000 march 2020
You're informative and funny at the same time 😄
In Japnese Asahi means rising sun, and In sanskrit (Old school one) means a sign of hope
Happy Birthday!
🤣🤣
The tattoo at the end killed me.
we're here from the coffin delivery company. open the dooor!!
@@heyyounotyouyou3761 I'd rather not. 😅😅
@@ximon-x understandable, have a good day sir
Is it real or just a pic from internet
it's been 2 years. i would love to see you revisiting this topic
Thinking of getting myself. Just wish it came with HDMI 2.1 so i could output 120 hertz to my dual monitor. Oh and by the way I use Arch Linux 😁
Your comedy style is amazing 🤣
I use Linux on a Mac as well.. Can't afford an M1 though
I had a barely working Mac that took minutes to even render a single click in the UI. I installed Fedora on it, and it finally started working as a normal computer. There are some artifacts and errors, but it works reasonably well.
@@rkvkydqf mine is one of the touchbar ones, the touchbar isn't working (water damage) so it wouldn't boot except safe mode (unusable), I put in Ubuntu and it's a beast. Linux is awesome.
Watching this on Fedora Asahi on a Mac mini. I'm so happy that it works so well now! Still has its bugs, but damn, it has come a long way.
DO NOT IMPLY THAT JAILBREAKING IS NOT LEGAL!
Finally m1 mac can run alternative OSes?
By the way, that tato look so SICK
i always thought of that one day when i move to a new company that only uses mac products what the hell i'm gonna do, arch dwm ftw
Blazingly fast, game changing news
Small correction, m1 is not the most powerful consumer chip on the market. Maybe for laptops but not desktop. Though I'm really happy there's another competitor for the CPU space
shut up
Since using arch has become widely spread, I started writing my own RISC-V cpu from scratch on FPGA then slapped my own linux image made with my own BSD by yocto.
They're only the most powerful on the market in certain workloads. It's marketing, it doesn't beat a 3090 like they make you believe.
It’s the most powerful chip because it’s not just a CPU, the SoC has almost all components on one chip. The graph says it beats the 3090 at 200Watts, which it does
3090 costs $1500 and is barely available. MacBook Air costs $1000 which contains the rest of the laptop besides the GPU.
@@kneelesh48 then get a 2080 from years ago and it'll be faster, even a 3070/60.
@@julio4494 and my calculator uses less watts but that doesn't make it powerful.
On top of that, perf/watt claims are still nitpicked.
@@StiekemeHenk tell me a laptop that costs $1000 and comes with a 3090 and a competent CPU as well
I also use arch, btw. Dual boot on windows 10 laptop vanilla arch linux with kde plasma desktop...
which is cheating if you want to call yourself an arch user, but its a much easier way to get started, which is cheating if you want to call yourself an arch user Lmao😂
Video editing errror
@@quinten01 you can say that again
@MatZ weird, the double sentence doesn't sound right to me.
@MatZ As an arch user I get the joke but thought he was referring two times to the joke that a gui installer is cheating to an arch user. But I suppose I misheard it so thanks for clarifying that part.
no i think it was intended to emphasise how arch users who brag about installing arch the difficult way and thus making fun of them(perhaps)
i use arch btw
Did you pay for the olive garden's food? Excellent video, btw :)
As an arch user (btw) i approve of this
how, do you spot an arch linux user? You don't they will tell you.
I also use Arch BTW
Is KDE Neon acceptable btw?
if so then btw I use KDE Neon / Ubuntu with KDE Plasma 5 plus Flatpak support with the OOBE.
@@wclifton968gameplaystutorials ubuntu isnt that good, use a different enviroment like lubuntu or kubuntu
@@reidlab Ubuntu is just easier to use than it's competitors such as Arch Linux* plus it has everything that you need graphically in the OOBE which competitors to Ubuntu do not provide or at least not very well**.
*this could also apply to Debian but who uses that outdated junk these days?
**Fedora might also provide a good OOBE but to be fair, I've never used Fedora Linux or RHEL.
@@therealone78 BTW is for Arch.
Probably for Gentoo
I bought MacBook Pro 14" with M1 Max and it's perfect for work, coding. I can also run Windows 11 or Linux (Kali & Debian with KDE fits for me) via Parallels like native OS. Try it, really worth
Yeah, Parallels is great if you're willing to pay for it tho.
As a hardcore Linux/Free Software nerd (I use gentoo on a 12 y/o ThinkPad T60 and code in VIM while despising Soyblime, that's how much of a nerd I am) I have hated on Apple/Macs for years and there are still many things I really dislike about the company (brand practices, advertising), the hardware (repairability, lockout mechanisms, documentation, compatibility), the users (I work at a university and the money wasted on Apple products by both faculty and students who have zero use for those products and would do just as well on a 400 $ BestBuy laptop but like MacBooks because of "muh Apple!" is insane) and the software (mainly the fact that MacOS is still not Linux, even though it's better than Windows).
But even to me, those new M1 chips *really* look extremely interesting. The power/performance ratio of those things is insane. I really, really hope that other companies will start to work on better ARM chips as well. A ThinkPad with a high-performance ARM chip and the battery life of a MacBook would be great. Grudgingly, I have to admit that Apple probably did something right here for once.
I really enjoy that the Linux community has outsmarted (if you can call it that) Apple once again, though.
It's not just arm though. It's chip integration and custom engineering.
Love the vite + react
I watched nearly 30 hours of NCommander installing linux from scratch, and after going back to a vanilla arch install, it's like using linux made for the elderly. Relatively speaking of course.
did you mean 'from source' by any chance? Because a normal install takes about 15 mins :P
Haha! Having one the Linux from scratch thing once I can totally relate.
Not a request but a gentle suggestion. Would love to see you mess around with Elixir and the Phoenix framework. Amazing video :)
Steam Deck users: "I use Arch btw"
The missing drivers John Travolta meme was so on point 😂😂
Bro! What if Arch Linux changes its logo?? 😨
happy birthday big dawg
0:41 I wouldn't say "they are literally the most powerful consumer chips in the market". Right now, that would be Core i9 12900k (Not counting Threadrippers). However, compared to the M1 chips, that CPU is a hot, power hungry mess
Why not counting Threadrippers?
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Because that will distract the conversation to what "consumer" means and I don't need them to prove my point.
@@odytrice Threadrippers are huge desktop processors in the 3000+ dollars pricepoint. So you aren't wrong. Its the best chip in the laptop market I would say now. And the m1 ultra just destroyed the thread rippers anyhow.
Man amongst man truly a hero worthy of thousand songs
A few members of my team recently got m1 macs, and have had nothing but problems with them. Applications either run awfully or aren't supported. We had to change our docker images just to slightly improve performance for our m1 devs 🤮 one dev gave up, sold the m1, and got an older mac
I'm using m1 mac and I feel sorry for your matesm. Have worked with java (maven and ant), docker and some frontend frameworks so far and no problems
They're arm chips, they don't have the software support yet. That being said, ARM is legitimately better than x86 in every single way. Yes, every single conceivable way. It turns out having thousands of instructions that are never used taking up space on your CPU wastes energy and reduces performance. ARM is simply a better architecture, it is just not adopted. Just like x86 used to be back in the day, before it overtook PowerPC.
Mark my words, ARM will obsolesce x86 in the next 10 years, just like x86 killed PowerPC.
XCode taking a couple of hours to download is so relatable
You know, I use Gentoo, btw
Wrong. Portage is using your computer, like 99.9% of the CPU time, btw
OMG managing to run osrs on Arc is something else
Lets be real, Arch is fun, but saying 'I use Gentoo' is more
Is more unnecessary xD
Great video 👌 btw there is small mistake at 2:23 video is repeated
I think that is intended..to reiterate the point 🙂
That's not a mistake, lol
Apple silicone isn't "a game changer in terms of performance" and they're not "the most powerful consumer chips" by any metric ... They're a game changer in terms of power efficiency and battery life, not performance
Best system responsiveness though :P
@@williamtopping okay, they're by far no the fastest chips out there, better?
@@mohammedalkhateem what is for example faster consumer chip than m1 ultra?
@@mohammedalkhateem But consider, our current faster chips are limited by heat and wattage, right? If they took no energy and produced no heat, we could make them infinitely faster.
But ARM gets very close performance, with maybe a fifth of the energy cost. It has huuuuge room to grow. This isn't the max potential. The M1 Ultra is already faster than just about any consumer chip... and its so much more efficient. You could stack 3 of them, and still not use as much heat or energy as the top of the line x86 chip. And the performance would be otherworldly.
I use Arch on my Mac btw
Best arch linux video ever.
I got a 2020 MacBook Air M1 and I’m running Kali Linux for penetration testing on it and I have no problems anyone else?
Still using an Intel but out curiosity does the audio work
does everything work such as webcam, mic, sleep etc?
Awesome investigation!
Installing Xcode to get git, you got played by Apple. 💀
What you should've done is installing Homebrew and use it to install git.
To install homebrew you also need to install the command line tools for Xcode
and they say windows is worst
@@luishxyz Which you can install without Xcode by running this in your Terminal: xcode-select --install
@@_modiX dude … "xcode-select --install" … thats literally Xcode.
Anyways, your method is way cleaner than going through the gui. nice.
@@sporqist "xcode-select" comes preinstalled with macOS, you don't need to install Xcode to have the tool. I know the name implies otherwise, but yes, that's Apple ...
Did someone pick up the fact that he used a green leaf when he was talking about “legal”? Gold!
the best part being linux runs 2x faster than macos on M1 lol, and that's without using GPU, linux is the best OS on ARM right now
what do you mean, 'runs'? Compile times? Seem equal, saw a vid of a guy compiling nushell, 2 mins on both. Compared to my... over FCKNG FIVE MINS on brand new Intel laptop.... But faster than OSX, what is faster?
That was funny and informative!
Cool
🥇 Gold!
🤣🤣🤣
I will cherish this Fireship Olympics medal
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.
Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use.
Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.
I use arch, btw
1:59 You can tell Jeff was impressed lol
2k on a laptop to write JS lmao anyway with a freedom OS you'll probably be able to play some good games on there
Bruh, I also bought a $2000 ARM MacBook recently. I think it’s blazing fast, but it struggles with simple things like keep track of VSCode PATH env variables. This could be a VSCode problem to be fair, as there is a special version of VSCode for ARM. I have to keep setting it in VSCode every time, lol. Other than that though, it’s a lot faster than my old x86 MacBook.
Edit: I still don’t have Arch installed :(. I guess I’ll try it out one day, maybe.
There is little to no reason to install Linux on a Mac. Mac OS has a decent terminal and Brew as a package manager covers most open source install needs. Unlike Linux, with Mac OS you can run Adobe CC and the Affinity Suite which don't have a good linux counter part. Gimp and ink scape don't cut it.
show me its source code then
@@brunowallner8370 Not a reason to install Linux on a Mac.
brew sucks, nix and macports are far better
@@starletscarlet I'll have to check them out. I can't remember if i've used macports or not.