THE FIRST FEMALE ROYAL MARINE AND PARATROOPER - WILL IT HAPPEN
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
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I come from 3 generations of Para’s and it’s an absolute disgrace to see someone wearing the beret and badge who hasn’t earned it.
It will probably go the same way as the awarding of university degrees, in that everyone can have one and it's up to an employers to sort out who is genuine. In this case, whilst there's no conflict going on, you can have 'pretend' Paras, and then when there's some trouble just use the ones who can do the job, with the odd 'token' woman put in for publicity.
Haha, mate, this is absolutely golden, but let’s crank it up to full “hysterically funny” levels and let it rip.
7 Hat (RHA) have been walting around since the mid-’80s, pretending to be 7 Para RHA, but let’s be real-they’re just 7 Hat. And, mate, there’s not much difference between them and this bird trying to pass P Coy. I mean, let’s be honest, P Coy is practically a holiday camp compared to the full horror show that is actual Parachute Regiment selection. Yet here we are, being told some bird who does a bit of rowing thinks she’s going to breeze through it like it’s a leisurely paddle down the Thames.
Honestly, go listen to Spud talk about Goose Green-that’s being a paratrooper. Not this “I’ve done a few HIIT classes, now let me into the brotherhood” nonsense. Spud was out there bayonet snapped in half, out of 7.62 long, probably thinking, “Well, that’s suboptimal,” before looking around and going, “Right, what’s next?” The answer? An Argentinian helmet, obviously. That’s the kind of problem-solving skill that gets you a proper maroon beret, not a subscription to Gymshark and a Strava account.
But in the spirit of fairness, I should acknowledge that female paratroopers have existed for quite some time. Yep, straight out of 3 Para Mortars, of course. Back when they were still blokes, they took a little trip to Thailand, where “Para” became “Para-no-more”, and suddenly, it was all: “Alright lads, this is Big Dave-except now, you can call her Davina.” Few snips here, few tucks there, a couple of implants, and-BOOM-Robert’s your mother’s sister.
But let’s not be too harsh on this particular woman because, at the end of the day, inside every Royal Marine Commando is a Royal Navy sailor… singing ‘YMCA’ while doing their absolute best not to drop the soap. And let’s be real, if you asked a Bootneck to choose between a firefight and a dance-off, he’d pick the latter every single time-because nothing says “elite fighting force” quite like impeccable choreography and an undying love for a Village People classic.
So, yeah, P Coy? No worries, love-just make sure you pack a spare bayonet, a sense of humour, and an Argentinian helmet. You’re going to need all three.
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@@SB003-bk1qq This deserves way more upticks than it's got. VERY entertaining and well written.
Both these bints had help. Both were “politically” permitted to pass! It is well known!
No need to call them bints, they are still professional miltiary, but I do agree that woman as a whole should be carefully selected for "combat roles":the Israeli miltary have woman in front line combat units but as such not in "Elite or Special Forces" with "Elite and Special Forces" being a totally different ball game!
I should know, I served for 6 years out my 12 years in total in the British Army, in what was the 5th Airborne Brigade (Aldershot) 23 PFA (Parachute Field Ambulance) and also qulaified as an All Arms Commando. So someone such as myself doesnot need to be told HOW TO SUCK EGGS!!
@ No bints who are just political passes!
I'm 6 foot 4 and 220 when I was in the Army and it was hard for me to lift and carry an unconscious soldier (with all their gear) in a combat environment. Can't imagine 99.9% of females being able to do so. This shouldn't even be talked about. Just say no.
6ft 3” and 15 stone 10 pounds in 1990 when I served and believe me carrying another heavy man in combat gear in a 50 yard race was not nice, and being the strongest I got to wait at the end of the assault course to push everyone over till I got pulled up last. This stupidity has to stop, time to accept we have been crazy pushing this everyone is equal bollocks.
I don’t think we will ever see it. Unless the standards are lowered which won’t happen.
Well 22 SAS had to drop theirs to make it happen.
@ 😂😂😂😂😂 what ?
They may well keep the standards, but just have a different set of standards for women. Look at the Fire Brigade.
@ the military doesn’t work like that. They have standards for a reason, and those standards must always be met.
What happens in combat, your lying there wounded, been on operations for multiple days straight, your opos are tired, hungry, battle worn. And you relying on them to get to you and drag you to safety. You have full faith and confidence that they are capable to do it because they met the exact same expectations you did in training and know what you are all capable of. You lower those standards you put lives at risk end off.
@@mackenshaw8169 22 SAS have never lowered their standards for anything or anyone.
What people don’t realise is once you have passed the intense physical and mental tests it gets HARDER when you get to your battalion or commando - do NOT lower the standards!!!
Spot on...saying that, even the lads are trained under a woke mentality. All by design, our boarders are being raided whilst be all debate this PC nonsense
The majority do care. It weakens the unit for several reasons. The mission and unit are priority, not the individual. It is not a hobby or badge to collect!
agreed
When I joined 5th Airborne (Aldershot) with 23 PFA,as it was then, in 1983 I had to bulk up as I barely met the minimum weight requirement which was at that time 10 stone, also men are generally physically stronger than women, the skeletal and bone mass is heavier and thicker, so I couldn't imagine most woman doing a firemans carry of "a wounded or injured soldier" over rough terrian in full battle order even for the required 100 yds in the route march (tab) and BFT/CQB tests; the same applies for All Arms Commando, with the lower field tests and the hell march across the tors! Heavy loads are carried and manhandled which most woman quiet franlky would have difficulty doing and to also be honest all the WOKE/PC that is possibly attached to this will cause problems which is why WOKE/PC throughout society needs to be knocked into shape and put where it belongs, back in it's box and resigned to obscurity!!
There is always merit and ability but true reality has to be faced in certain cirmstances!
Of course it will happen ... once they cut the standards in half.
Never hopefully
Why?
It’s not just about passing the course, once they achieve the standard they’ll have to serve in a unit for at least four years doing even harder activities.
From WW2 to 1960 the Royal Marines had the 'standard' marine ( with black beret, which the musicians still wear ) and Commando's ( green beret ) who had passed the Commando course; after 1960, all marines had to be commando trained. Maybe they'll go for something like a 'graduated' qualification (!) whereby everyone can join, and each marine adds the the things that they can do to it; like a driving licence ? ( might go more like the U.S.Marines ?)
As a former Royal Marine I can't see it myself but if it does happen I'm sure it'll keep the lads happy when things get a bit dull as they do 😂😂😂
UNACCEPTABLE. THE LOWERING OF STANDARDS FOR THE SAKE D.E.I. THE FOREIGN LEGION WOULD NOT ALLOW THIS. AND IT SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED OR PROMOTED.....
Well done to those women that passed the qualification of Marine or Para. Now. look how bad it has become for frontline Policemen who now have to police multiple male thugs when they have female officers with them. The Manchester airport incident, where one thug beat up two female officers and the only male had to fight alone. Do you really think those two thugs would have perfomed the same if it had been three male officers in attendance? We already see women soldiers in infantry battalions. Now let's see how many of them suffer training injuries because their bodies are weaker. The US Marine Corp did a comprehensive study, including making a whole battalion of 50/50 mix of men and women. The result? It lost EVERY competition when competing against an all male battalion. Fighting is all about winning, you do not want to come second. It is not about diversity. You want your military to be victorious, not defeated and consoling yourself with "but at least we were diverse and inclusive."
It's all nonsense and anyone with half a brain cell knows this woke junk is dangerous. Women do not belong in these roles for a reason. It's ok banging on that they can carry this and that. At the end of the day when hand to hand fighting kicks off then I'm afraid the reality sets in. These standards and loopholes will be made to please the woke left. You didn't see this nonsense during the war when commandos had to close in and kill with fairbairn skykes fighting knife and even knucke dusters etc...
What’s next, females badged as SAS or SBS?
I don't think so, I can't see any getting in the SAS or SBS. But there are women in the SRR (via a different route to the men in joining)
It will happen when they armed forces stop steroid testing 😂😂
As a vet i have always believed that 1. do not drop the standard. 2. Anyone who passes is good enough.
My sentiments exactly.
If it ever happens, it will be via repositioning of the goalposts and purely for the MoD PR brigade!
And no, I hope it never happens… PMPT
ONLY FOR POLITICAL PURPOSES.
As explained by myself when this pile of pump appears on tv. Pippa failed basic RM training. She left and did the AACC as a Naval officer.
32 weeks of ball breaking training grinds down the individual. This is why she failed the basic 32 weeks RM training course. The AACC is based on passing the commando tests to allow these individuals to work in 3 commando brigade. They are not female marines they are commando trained personnel!!
The piss poor journalism is the main cause of concern for many people in the RM .
She never started RM training, she only did the all arms, she never passed, but the they gave her a “pass” anyway. She did the course while she was in the adjutant generals corp, not the RN.
@atae7185 yeah and attempted the AACC and came off at a certain week. Then rejoined sometime later at the same point of the course. If that was a male he'd have to start from the beginning.
I believe this happened twice. I was at CTC when she rejoined mid course and witnessed her stamping her joing cards at the stores/armoury. I was there when she got her lid, I was only on a 4 week course.
The bottom field was closed down for her last attempt at the Tarzan and Assualt Course. I was told she had more than 2 goes at it, not sure if true but I remember all the hype for her to secure that lid. All political of course.
Later she became my reporting officer, obtaining a RM capt billet which wasn't open to Army capt
To be fair she was a good officer, good at gym work, OK at pull ups, I could do double her amount and I was no gym buff, in my 30's but strong back and legs, slight beer belly, could drink and fight and crack a cft with a stinking hangover. I also saw her do a cft and she was strong for woman, but average against males.
In the field she was pump.
So she passed the all arms commando course which is 10 weeks not the 32 weeks normal Royal Marine recruits do.. Do they say how many gos did she have ? and was it all at the same time? Only way I can see is but lowering the standards.
no women in combat roles......full stop.
Let’s pray this doesn’t happen
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I thought that Philippa Tattersall "pip" was a Marine and Commando.
Edit: I got explained to me the difference and I get it, she did the 9 week course and not the full training.
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@@greenpig4075
Yeah, Craig explained it for me on his live stream.
@@Pd0177
Ok, thanks. Not too familial with the British system so thanks for explaining it.
She didn’t pass, she couldn’t negotiate the six foot wall, so they let her run around it, she couldn’t do a full regain, so they let her just crawl over the top, she didn’t pass the nine mile speed march, but she got a pass anyway and she didn’t do any sentries on the exercises. It was just a political stunt! As for the women currently undertaking RM training, none of them have managed to get to the commando phase. It’s about time the RM/RM stood up to the politicians and told them to stop waste the corps time!
@@atae7185
I get it, it got explained to me a couple of times now.
honestly, a bit irrelevant at this stage , considering the country. the armed have been hollowed out by design. look at the ties that keir has to russia, china and islam. where in the world wod keir send an army?
They will lower the standards, simple
The RM have categorically stated that they will not lower the standards. If they do, it will be a political decision, not one of corps.
I think it will happen at some point. The fact this women yes broke her femur but after recovering and rehab clearly gave up even though she was fit enough to row for team GB! I think the marines will get a female first becuse onve you get the phys out the way the rest is easy. Where as to be an infantry soldier is constant and relentless mental and physical pressure with little recovery time.
There's other things which can be done nowadays...
I've got ideas something which only I could do because of my size it's an advantage compared to taller folks
No, no ,no.
What would a woman think of the shovel recce? Anyway, a lot of birds are pretty much out of it, 1 week in 4.
Why are you even asking this question? Who was Britain's first male nurse?
If your'e refering to civilian nursing it has a differenet conotation and can't compare to being in combat or a military nurse and also within an elite unit!
I can’t remember his name but he and several others in the first year of Regeistration (1922 or 23?) were RAMC Registered Nurses.
How do I know this?
I learnt my history.
I was both AACC trained Commando (nearly killed me, my mates carried me to be honest) and a RGN(RN) in the Army.
26 years.
What’s your point?
One question I do not know the answer for is once the all arms is passed by those how offer does these skills and fitness need to be checked
Example if someone passes the all arns commando course and 5 years later they are claiming they are able to support the Royal Marines cos they once had a standard
Then that’s not the reality of the situation
Someone who passed the all arms commando course 5 years earlier but has then been a Clark or Cheff for those 5 years is basically no use to anyone
Kind regards
Andy
If they are still within an commando or airborne unit then they would need to pass their annual fitness tests, with the commandos and airborne units having a higher standard then yes they have the annually show they are still fit enough to support those units
Thanks
So I take it those that go back to their other roles within the military, they can’t hang on to the wording of being able to support the RM for very long.
Levels
•Royal Marine
• Those attached to RM unit who have completed All arms
• Then those who completed All arms at some moment in time but then returned to own unit role
@ sometimes they move on away from a commando or airborne unit but I would say the majority always keep on top of their fitness maintain it above everyone else but a small few will not. It’s in their nature to just keep up the standards
I know this is about other things, I just saw a real about old regiments come back that was around in my days
But I don't know if I just should put the link in here
Even we "regular" Sweds shall help by thinking what we put out on the net
Why help the enemy thinking
i served in the royal engineers met a female officer in the faulklands in 84 very rare not my troopcommander but was repected by the lads in her troop becaused she carried an slr instead of the 9mm browning pistol on the 8miler read of a woman passing p company on u tube first to do so
Will the SAS have female operatives and the SRR has a female commander. Plus females have operated in IN DET 14.
There will always be the need for females in specialist units like SRR and intelligence. In fact they'll bring more benefits than males in some cases.
But the Marines, Paras and SAS aren't those types of unit
Id expect one or two will pass sooner or later. Amd promptly retire.
It will be the goal of some females to be the first.
But the reality is that there is no justifiable need for a Female Royal Marine or a Para. 🤷♂️
The disruption that will come from trying to integrate literally one or two females into these units will always out weigh the benefit.
The end will never justify the means.
The simple question is: is how more mission effective will a company of Marines or Paras become with females in their ranks?
My opinion is none.
Like pretty much everyone here, if they meet the standards just like everyone else it's not a problem. Will it happen? Who knows? Any combat arms unit is brutally demanding. Most women are not mentally or physically designed for such a challenge. There are those, a very small percentage, who could qualify but would they do it because they want to desperately be a Marine\Para or do they want to do it because they are a woman? I would prefer the former.
But it can be a problem. Regardless of if they genuinely can pass or not. There is no viable reason for females to serve as Commandos or Paras.
They already serve in Para and commando trained supporting units, where their skill set is actually needed.
The mission should always come first. And those units will never be more improved with a female in them.
Well the M.o.D. By order of the Treasury. Have had to REDUCE 32xWk Down to 16xWks. For the RM Traning @ CYC Lympstone. So YES IT WILL B Amended for Ladies.
As if the armed forces haven't been ruined enough as it iss.
Gave a thumbs down for trolling!
For trolling????
only if they lower the standards
Many Royal Marines have a much lower opinion on people who have completed the all arms commando course and then live of that for years.
They passed a course but are not Royal Marines.
Same with those who complete P company
It doesn’t mean your a Para
Good luck to everyone who passes a course that’s available to all arms
A huge difference tho
In the age of social media and photo shoots, many live off this label and can create income from fooling others
9 Parachute squadron RE are definitely as good as Parachute Regiment soldiers, absolutely worthy of the maroon beret and wings. “More reg than the reg” is what is said about 9 sqn.
Ok
I think your comment about having insanely fit females competing in professional sports and Olympics, hits the nail on the head. The females who are capable of passing these sorts of courses, are likely to be high level athletes and heading down that route. But I agree, someone at some stage will pass these arduous courses.
what a load of old tosh
Lame.
Go for it if you can do it.
Be honest from the first hesitation though.
I don’t object to the idea.
If there is a woman out there with the combination of physical attributes and mental attributes to pass the exact same standards as every man before her has done, then absolutely.
But for the Paras and Royal Marines? Sorry, unless they throw that all out the window and lower the standards, (in which I cannot picture the rank and file of both regiments going along with at all) it won’t ever happen. At least not in a few decades at least.
If women want to succeed in the toughest, then they have to be stubborn, never give up, give it their all. But few women want to do it or don't take it seriously.
Look at Swedish Petra Malm, she gave her all in the military and was the first woman to make it and become part of the Swedish SOG (Severe Operations Group), she has also worked with the British SAS.
She was, after all, only 158 centimeters tall. She has served in many countries.
As I said, if a British woman is to be accepted and pass the Royal Marines, then you have to give it your all and be prepared for it to be tough and that she won't get anything for free or shortcuts because she is a woman.
Pregnancy ? 1. This degrades a woman’s body feeding two and what if half your troop are pregnant when the call to arms comes ? Don’t degrade our forces .
Who cares?
A lot of people in the comments
@combatreadyhq mate no one cares if you can a woman can do the job or not. You live on an echo chamber. You need to get out more. Even if all the stars and moons line up and you find that one woman, the moment she sees one of her comrades with his head blownn off, she will break mentally on the battlefield.
@combatreadyhq why you delete my reply?
South africa special task force had it's first female pass, and no the standards were not lowered and she got no specail treatment STF has always been open to anyone who is South african and has been in the police for more than 2 years, male or female black white indian whats ever. if you pass selection which has around 8% pass rate you are in. then you have to pass 2 years training
Any woman that attempts/passes it has my full respect, no matter what the incels or dinosaurs say or think.
Keep simping .
Have you done it? What is your expert opinion based on?
Had a woman in my troop going through. She was decent in the feild and got stuck in but speed marching and yomping just killed her. Couldn't get past the 4 miler.
Can she carry a 100 lb Bergen and full kit on a 50 mile battle march
I’ll tell you what Rosie most probably could yes, she was faster than half the guys on P Coy could a female be faster and stronger then a male no but could they pass one day, maybe.
@@combatreadyhq Oh please!
The Standards should remain the same and not lowered, if they pass the Selection process then they deserve their place. But many years ago i can remember having to help a female dog handler get her dog over a fence when she was attached to 3Para 🫣, so its got to be some superwoman that will genuinely pass Para Reg Selection or Royal Marine Selection without it being a box ticking exercise.
Standards will be lowered
That like here in the states, where obama open the ground combat units to women , but they put there thumb on the scale, four women , there was no way they could made, unless the higher up fug the standers .
I'm sure your new drunkard SECDEF will fix that!
Training is nothing compared to the weight and the yomps you do in a unit, absolutely ridiculous. The juice isn’t worth the squeeze.