I bloody adore Jo Martin. She’s one of the best things about this show. She eats up every scene she’s in. It was insane seeing Jack as an RTD era character in this more cinematic version of the show.
Oh man I remember when the DW Community blew up the night after this episode aired. Jack's back and a new doctor we know nothing about?! Such an awesome episode.
So.. one thing Jo Martin had that Jody didn’t at first was a very clear direction for her Doctor. I think for me this is why this episode is iconic and why I want so much more of the fugitive doctor. Jo Martin was heavily inspired by Capaldi btw.
I love this episode 🥰 Jo Martin is superb & unfortunately not only rivals Jodie as 13 but IMHO outshines her. The subtle clues ("Faithfull companion") she was a Doctor with the hexagonal mirror & Tardis-like windows in her flat are an outstanding piece of set design, just gorgeous! 🥰 The shock of Cpt Jack's return was gigantic as it was not really leaked by anyone. Chibnall really kept a reign on spoilers on set during his era not leaning into promoting the show (Sometimes too much) something that can't be said of RTD2 the leaks have been coming fast & frequent Oh & how amazing is Segun Akinola's music? 🎶 What an Ep! Really felt like you had no idea what S12 was going to do next!
Ah, you finally made it to the surprise festival that was episode 5! None of the big surprises were known before the episode originally aired. I remember my own jaw dropping several times! The Whittaker era was good at keeping its secrets and having big reveals.
Second video in a row with a SJA mention, love that! 😁 Such a sick episode one of my faves for series 12 especially with the Tardis and Fugitive Doctor reveal. Can’t wait to see you watch more, great reaction!
So there's a few interesting thing about Jo Martin's doctor. She has a tardis disguised as a police box, which would not be possible if she was before the 1st doctor. And this episode confirms it as the same tardis because of the line about "temporal feedback." There is also a theory used to explain some stuff in the classic series, and a few novels that the writer of this series, Chris Chibnall, read when he was younger. And they feature The 2nd Doctor working for the timelords as a sort of secret agent. It's called the "season 6b theory" and basically the timelord extract the doctor right as he regenerates from the 2nd doctor to the 3rd. So my theory is, Jo Martin's doctor is in between 2 and 3 and theres some timelordy timey wimey explination for why her existance doesnt change the doctor's overall amount of regenerations, meaning that the 11th doctor was still the last incarnation of his original set of regenerations. Its sorta really complex, but It'll probably make more sense at the end of the series ;)
That doesn't make any sense either and for four reasons. 1. Considering the Doctor has already had 13 in that cycle from William Hartnell to Matt Smith it's 13 bodies 12 regenerations so I can't see how Jo Martin can fit in between 2 and 3 because if that's the case the only one they could leave out is the meta-crisis regeneration since Tennant's Doctor didn't change but that would mean 14 regenerations which doesn't add up. 2. Also the Third Doctor was in the Second Doctor's outfit after he regenerated and collapsed outside the TARDIS so why would the Time Lord's bother to change him back to his old clothes instead of just leaving him in Jo Martin's costume it would seem like a waste of time to me 3. The Second Doctor was the first Doctor to have a sonic screwdriver, The Fugitive Doctor has no idea what a sonic screwdriver is so that's another thing that doesn't add up. 4. That would be disrespectful to Jon Pertwee to put him down as number 4 rather than number 3. I always found this season 6b theory complete fanfiction. The Second Doctor regenerated into The Third Doctor and got sent to earth end of story that's it. Fugitive has to be a future Doctor it's the only thing that makes total sense.
@@joshuajoshua2732 well, season 6b isn't really fanfiction, because there are books based on the idea. And perhaps the 2nd doctor dies on duty for the timelords, so they grant them an extra "free" regeneration that doesn't count to the overall limit. the fugitive doctor also knows what the screwdriver is, she just says she's "smart enough not to need one" either way, it makes less sense for her to be pre-hartnell because of everything else about her. Also the 3rd doctor arrives in an outfit different to the 2nd doctor.
Thing you are forgetting is that the tardis could have been a police box, before it was a police box in the first episode. It only gets stuck as the police box after that.
@@joshuajoshua2732 Your theory doesnt hold up, you got good points, but you can counter all of them. 1. We learn from the "Cartmell masterplan" the series planed for the 7th Doctor in 1990 (sadly the show was cancelled) that the Doctor is not a Timelord. The Timelords had been founded, by 3 godlike beeings...Rassilon (the one with the power to regenerate), Omega the (mad) scientist who had the idea of Timetravell and the weapons in the Omega-arsenal and "the Other" who was a technical genius who worked out his friends plans. At this point, all of the Timelords where gifted limitless regenerations, but Rassilon made a limit at 12, for all exapt the three. Over time, the Other saw his friends turn mad by power, unable to bare it any longer, he denounced his godlike status and regenerated into the child that would become the first Doctor. BTW thats not fanfiction. Sylvester McCoy talks about this in several interviews and in the 1989 series there are hints to this plan. First in rememberence of the Daleks, when Ace asked about the Hand of Omega and how powerfull the "old" Timelords had really been, the Docter smirkes and says "Ohhhh back in the days, we did many things ..... uhm ... i mean, they did." Later that season, Ace is asked by the vilain "do you know what the Doctor is?" Ace says "He is a Timelord!" and the vilain shook her head. (btw...yes many of this is done in TTLC ....but its done is the worst way possible... i prefere this over C.C.s BS any day) 2. We never saw the 2nd Doctor regenerate into Pertwee. The Doctor should choose a face for the forced regeneration. Jamie ans Zoe are send back to before they met the Doctor. Now it gets complicated. In "the two Doctors" the 6th Doctor meets a very old 2nd Doctor and Jamie! Thats important, because Jamie remembers "War-games" ( Troughtons last story) and has memories of storys that happen during the so called season 6b. Also, the 2nd Doctor does have a TARDIS remote and when 6 asked how he got it, 2 sais "You get this, when you work for THEM, you know" and 6 is shocked to hear 2nd work for the Timelords. (the next Doctor to have a TARDIS remote is the War-Doctor, when he works for the CIA during the timewar) The fugetive theorie says...After a long life and many jobs, for the Timelords, the 2nd Doctor dies of old age. He regenerates into the Fugetive Doctor, because she still workes for the CIA at this point, at some point she runs away. After they got hold of her, they complete the forced regeneration. They reset the Doctors memory and put him back in seconds clothes. So as far as the Doctor is concerned he is the 3rd Doctor. As for the regeneration cylce, we know from canon, that the Timelords can change the number at random. During the Time-War, they grant more lifes to Rassilon and the Master. They restored the Bruce-Master, who later becomes the War-Master. 3. The 2nd Doctor has "just" a screwdriver. Its not yet the Deus-ex machina tool it will become. So yes, if she is a pre Pertwee Doctor, she will not know what this device does. Also she doesnt say that she dosnt know what it is, she says "smart enough not to need it" BTW the 5th Doctor has the same attitude about the screwdriver. 4. It wouldnt change Pertwees number. Because she is the "Fugetive Doctor" same as John Hurt is the "War-Doctor" and David Ttennant season 4 is the "Meta-crisis Doctor" even if we only count John Hurt and Davids first regeneration, for this argument, that would mean Eccleston is 10, Tennant 11 AND 12, Smith 13, Capaldi 14, Jodie 15 etc. but no....Eccleson is still 9 Tennant 10, Smith 11 etc. On a personal note, it doesnt seem correct, that she would be a future incarnation, by the TARDIS alone. First she has got the classic console room (yes the season 9 modernised version, but still classic) and second she calls the TARDIS "old girl" that was a thing during the classic eara. especally Doctors 3,4 and 8.
Yay! This episode! I loved it. And I flipping Jo Martin’s doctor. I want to see a whole series with her. There was so much fan discussion on this and where she fit in. The story in this one and the pacing was amazing. Plus… the big surprise :D :D :D.
With Human Nature/Family Of Blood (less so with the 1995 VNA book version but still there), We were on the inside looking out, through Martha & all the other characters in that story saw her as being weird & unusual. Whereas here we're on the outside looking in, all the characters including the Whittaker Doctor & The Fam, see "Lee" as weird & unusual. When both were companions keeping watch of their Doctors, cool parallel.
Ok, now I can actually say the thing. My mother used to be a HUGE Captain Jack Harkness fan. 😅 We've watched almost all of Doctor Who together. Well, I watched it first and then again later with her. And it took AGES for them to finally bring him back, right? So, anyway, my mom died a couple of weeks before this episode aired..... 😔 At age 63.
Oh, and before anyone misunderstands me, I'm not saying this to blame anything or anyone, I just want to say that this is the shit that happens in life, sometimes ...
I love this episode of doctor who because I love joe Martin as the Ruth doctor and I love captain jack Heartnes and I love Jodi Whitaker in this episode because this episode gives us one of jodi Whitaker best profamce as the 13th doctor
I less than half an episode Jo martin out doctored Jodie with a series and a half under her belt, that's acting. Also I love how if the fugitive doctor is a past doctor then using the Chamelon arch way back when explains why the 10th doctor had it already on the tardis.
This entire seasons plot, including the finale leaked in insane detail (will talk more about it after you see the finale) but iirc Jack didn't leak at all, everyone kept that hush hush lol. Next two episodes are 💀💀 imo
Chibnall has this thing where nobody seems to be allowed to deliver a full line of dialogue apart from the Doctor. Her companions just speak at her, one at a time, in segments, Ryan:finishing off. Yaz: Each others Graham: sentences And it gets more annoying the more you notice it, that and characters having to tell us things we have just seen with our own eyes. ‘They’re behind us’, ‘it’s charging up’ ‘it didn’t work Doctor’ ‘it’s attacking him’ ‘the birds are going crazy’ ‘the planes going to crash’ ‘it’s not a gravestone ‘ just stfu please Also I find 13 overuses her sonic screwdriver, especially in this episode, she uses it sooo much for pointless things she can see with her own eyes, in one episode she even scans a rock to tell us….it’s a rock. In resolution she scans a dead body that’s literally been exterminated just to tell us it’s dead. Yes. We know. It’s a dead body
@@friendlyotaku9525 there’s a Dalek on the loose in the barn, a dead body outside the barn. Doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure out he’s obviously dead. It’s even more surprising that Jodie’s sonic manages to do everything in the universe considering it’s made out of spoons and a piece of technology from tooth man.
I enjoyed this episode at the time, and I really like Jo Martin as the Doctor, but I feel similar to you on her placement in the timeline. Keeping vague on everything until you've finished the season, so I'll expand on my thoughts on Fugitive Doc later on.
So much happened in this episode Jack return Apparently they’re another face of The Doctor that we don’t know about. Judoon return. Yeah alot happened. I knew when Jack find out that The Doctor is a woman, I knew he was gonna love it. Jack hadn’t changed much since Torchwood series 4.
I'm not gonna lie, I honestly prefer The Fugitive Doctor (character-wise, not story) over the 13th Doctor. She looks absolutely badass + her outfit is just 😚👌
A really good episode setting things up for the future and lots of surprises. I agree with you that 13 is a bit annoying in that scene near the end. However reading through the comments I seem to be one of the very few people who prefer Jodie's Doctor over Jo's. Don't get me wrong she is ok but doesn't leave me with the feeling of wishing we'd had this Doctor instead or more of this Doctor.
I love this ep and the Ruth doctor. Unfortunately, the second main(ish) female doctor gets used to claim Jodie is a bad doctor. I love them both , also kind of love the idea that Ruth doctor was probably planning to have 13 as a companion 😂😭
The woman leading the Judoon that you recognized- that’s the same actress who plays Rani in SJA! Fun fact: her partner is Sasha Dhawan, Jodie’s incarnation of the Master this season.
Yes, the actress (Anjli Mohindra) who plays Rani in SJA is indeed married to Sasha Dhawan. However, she doesn't appear in this episode. I presume you are referring to the character of Gat, who is played by Ritu Arya.
there were a lot of theories she fitteed between 2nd and 3rd as it would be possible, but anyways, welcome to the point of no return, I personally like it for the good parts totally agree about the dialogue based on your comments I think you are not gonna like the finale that much hehe hope I'm wrong tho
There is one place that would really work for the fugitive Dr (I won't say where till either the end of this series or if you get far enough in classic) within classic who, that's been explored briefly in expanded media. It's a theory you can use if you wanted somewhere to put her, and end up disliking where the show points to. But again, I won't say what it is in case of spoilers.
This is EASILY one of the most shocking episodes of Doctor Who - EVER! I remember my jaw being on the floor quite a few times when i first watched this. Jack? The Lone Cyberman? Another Doctor?! What is happening?!! Well I do know now but no spoilers!
Hello Fugitive Doctor ! I love this incarnation of the Doctor ! Jo Martin the actress did a really good job with it ! This episode was quite big the two reveal made me so confuse and happy at the same time.. 😅😊
Why was the TARDIS a police box? That happened when the first doctor got stuck in the 60’s. If this happened before then… then why is it a police box???
I also was a bit annoyed by that because there seems to be no reason for it to be a police box, but who knows (or she doesn't 😉) Obviously the tardis could always choose to be a police box and as the Tardis' perception of time is non-linear maybe it chose this form because it knew it will meet up with 13. Maybe it's another tardis and had other reasons. I personally think it's a bit of a lazy way for the writer to show that it IS a tardis without opening it. Maybe there will be an explanation (I doubt it) or maybe he just thought: "there may be loads of reasons, I don't need to give them, I just need a strong optical reveal."
@@OliverEdinbAug23 I do think it being a police box could’ve been mainly for the reveal of her being the doctor. Because seeing the police box in the grave is what makes you realise and have a reaction to what is happening :)
On Ryan and Yaz, that's Chibnall's style. You said in the first couple of episodes that they feel real - and that's because Chibs writes in that intentionally flat, but real, style. People do talk like that, they don't talk much. And it's the ying yang of this era - some times the down to earth nature really pays off, like how Ryan talks to his Dad in the cafe scene in the New Year special, and sometimes it leads to flat moments that undercut big drama, like in this episode. If you can remember back to Matt Smith's first season, and they go underground and meet the Silureans, much of the dialogue in that ep is similar when it comes to side characters. It's just how Chibs writes. Sometimes it's brilliant and feels really fresh, and sometimes it feels entirely out of place. I think the guy playing Ryan is a good actor tbh - I think he's playing it exactly how he's been told: reserved, closed up, and genuinely quite quiet, how a lot of guys his age are.
@@friendlyotaku9525 She's OK, but the way she inflects her lines often comes across as if she's reading from the script. She's not as wooden as Tosin Cole, I'll concede that, but she's not remotely in the same league as previous Companion actors.
@@ftumschk Mandip Gill is brilliant, especially in the emotional scenes which she utterly nails. And I'd also disagree that Tosin Cole is wooden, I think his accent (which is not his natural accent) sometimes makes his delivery sound a little off but he's also had some great scenes where he shows what he can do, particularly in Resolution
There are some things in Doctor Who fans just try to ignore because they don’t fit the rest of the canon. Like the 8th Doctor saying he was half human in the TV movie. I don’t remember enough of the specifics of this story to say whether this thing with Ruth is gonna be like that, but you can always do that if it turns out that way.
Yeah but to me the movie is so forgettable. I legit forget it exists and only remember when people talk about it or the 8th Doctor. The fugitive being the Doctor before first is something that will always be on my mind now and isn’t forgettable at all in my opinion :)
@HamzaReactz I don't know if the TV Movie is entirely forgettable there were some good moments particulary with the 8th Doctor as i still think it has a place in Who history but the half human thing and the romantic kiss with his companion Grace are the only bits I want to find forgettable.
Before you watch the final episodes of this season I recommend you watch the 4th Doctor story "The Brain of Morbius". It's important to the plot, but I dare not say more in fear of spoilers.
Very fun ep... i do feel its more of a "reveal reveal reveal" shocks... than an actual plot... which feels a little empty... but its a load of fun so its not a biggie..., having Jack back and this new mysterious Doctor who's just brilliant!! You'll get nothing from me about what is going on... even feelings ... spoilers 😜 Love her Tardis as well... very classic... judoon are always fun... though they repeated similar beats to the Smith and Jones ... in fact this series so far does repeat a lot of series 3 stuff lol.. with the master back, that scene where they had to go into hiding cos of Lenny Henry .. the Doctor being human ...😂 💯 agree with the dialogue .. but this is an issue I've had pretty much from the start of the era... i know you have said before that you feel they feel like proper humans... for me they haven't due to their dialogue and reactions... ofcourse its not always like that... but if feels more often than not... Bradley Walsh is able to bring his own charm... so he gets away with it more... makes sense...he is the most experienced actor out the lot of them...
At the time, I thought that the events of “Day of the Doctor” might have fractured things more widely, and on one reality, 11 regenerates into 12 Capaldi, and on another, 11 regenerates into 12 Martin.
Ok here is one of the best episodes. If you want to break the Canon . . . This is the best way to break it. I will accept anything that allows me to have Doctor Ruth.
Ok, the Jack Harkness thing? Nice! 👌 Loved it. Just too short. The timeless child thing? 🤔 Don't know. I think I hate it.... I don't want my Doctor to be the super important unkillable magical space jesus. I can't relate to that. 🤷♂️ I just always thought of the Doctor as a random wanderer through space. With flaws. Also, timeless child retcons SO much! What about series 6? 11 getting pretend-killed, okay, but technically we were led to believe that this is how it's supposed to happen! What about series 7? Time of the Doctor? Yeah, what exactly was it the Timelords gave the Doctor there? Do we say that stuff is ALL meaningless now? Just because Chibby wants to play his agenda? Radical change is fine, but it has to be well THOUGHT OUT! Also what's with the TARDIS being a blue box pre-Hartnell? Someone didn't do his homework in continuity there....
@@HamzaReactz what’s ur thoughts on her 2 szns so far compared to what everyone else has said and what you’ve heard? Cuz honestly I hated it, it feels like they don’t have a good overarching story, but honestly I’ve liked it more based on you reacting to it, might just be because you only include the good parts
Jo Martin should’ve been the Thirteenth Doctor idec. She had me convinced she was more The Doctor in this one episode than Jodie Whittaker had in nearly 2 series at this point.
I definitely agree that Jo Martin is awesome in this episode. I think that Yaz definitely had some missed potential given that she's a police officer and the judoon are space police. Honestly, it's not as good on rewatch, since the surprises aren't as big a shock and scenes like the one with the judoon assimilating the language just feel like a lesser version of the equivalent scenes from Smith and Jones. Also, "language: human" makes it sound like English is the only human language, and I don't get why they didn't re-use the "earth English" part of the line.
For me, if the doctor had to be female, this was the doctor we should have had, bad ass and with attitude! Jo Martin killed it for me..! I think this was one of the most watched (if not THE most watched) episode in this era, probably due to the return of Jack...
I think 13 is awesome, she’s the goofy, child like sort of Doctor we’ve had in the past. Don’t see an issue with it. But I liked how The Fugitive was aswell :)
@HamzaReactz fair enough, each to their own... I agree regards the goofy, but there are times when the Dr has to exert authority or be scary, or show his/her ancient wisdom... for me, jodie never got this.... its strange because she was great in broadchurch, a much more serious role...
@zagreus139 it's just a turn of phrase as I'm sure you know, she comes across as someone not to be messed with, just as other doctors have from time to time (some of matts speeches, tennants family of blood moment etc).. for me jodie never does... being "just the doctor" doesn't really cover the wide range of emotions or personality traits that have been explored over the last 60 years... being a badass is just one facet of the whole....
@@space1999 I was biased towards Jodie Whitaker from the performance opposite Christopher Eccleston in Antigone. To me, her Doctor doesn't carry that depth of characterization. The exercise fell flat with the goofiness, the over designed TARDIS and the MCU costume - not clothes - that Jodie was encumbered with. However, Faye Marsay did in Last Christmas, in one episode, show more character and she's a younger actor. I'd've loved to see her tackle the role and with RTD and Moffat and Rona Munro who wrote Survival with Sylvester McCoy and The Eaters Of Light with Capaldi as the writers.
This is the episode where things start to get very, very controversial with fandom. First of all great episode i'm not the biggest Captain Jack fan but it's nice treat for the ones that do like him. I thought ripping the Judoon's horn out was alittle cruel. It was awesome to see the Judoon return. It can't be before The Ninth Doctor and NuWho because we saw The 8th Doctor (Paul McGann) change into The War Doctor (John Hurt) then change into The Ninth Doctor (Christopher Eccleston) in "The Day of the Doctor" The Fugitive Doctor (Jo Martin) takes place before The First Doctor (William Hartnell) because Gallifrey is alive and well and she has the same type of attitude as The First Doctor and The Fugitive and First Doctor are not familiar with the sonic screwdriver however and Fugitive refers to her TARDIS as a "the ship" like Hartnell's Doctor does the only thing that doesn't add up is the TARDIS and Susan because her TARDIS is a Police Box and it was only stuck that way when The First Doctor (William Hartnell) and Susan (Carole Ann Ford) landed in 1963 london as seen in the first episode "An Unearthly Child" also we saw The First Doctor stole the TARDIS in "The Name of the Doctor" so none of that adds it would make 100% more sense if The Fugitive Doctor takes place sometime in the future and just doesn't remember her past incarnations also bare in mind we already saw 13 versions of the Doctor in his first cycle now where on her second cycle and The 13th Doctor is the second Doctor of her second cycle it's alot to to take in i know but that's the only way i can make sense of any of it. Chibnall admitted himself he has no idea where The Fugitive Doctor takes place in the timeline but it's defintely either sometime before Hartnell or after Gatwa.
To be fair, there IS a place RuthDoctor MIGHT fit....but you'll need to watch more of Classic Who. Even then, its a bit of a stretch. Additionally, she could also be from an alternate time line. Not an unknown thing in Who.
@@HamzaReactz you don't want to know trust me, the stuff he is mentioning is is big spoilers for classic who, and astronomical lore defining spoilers for new who.
I like jodie as an actress in other shows, but i feel as the doctor she tries too hard most of the time and shes quite exhausting to watch. Her subtle, calm moments feel more like the doctor than her usual ott hyper silly performance
Jodie's not my style of Doctor (don't hate her, she just gets on my nerves a bit) but I instantly loved Jo Martin. Can't believe how quickly you're going through these episodes 😂 will be cool if you can catch up before the new series starts!
@@HamzaReactz yes I know that but I don’t understand why Gat wanted to kill Ruth/the Doctor and where she fits in the Doctor’s past. I know she was a Time Lord. Was she something to do with Division?
Spoilers: So if they are talking about what I think they are there is an episode called brain of morbius where morbius shows the Doctor incarnations that he doesn't remember therefore it's been established for a long while that sadly hartnell is not the first Doctor but that's okay with me bc it is called Doctor Who and it adds more mystery to the character
And yeah the companion dialogue is terrible here (which imo it frequently was during this era). Just sounds really stilted and unnatural. It reminds me of when authors switch to screenwriting but are still writing in the style of a book which comes across redundant on screen. I do also think Ryan's actor's delivery is really wooden which makes it even more obvious.
Such a mixed bag for me in this ep, on one hand.. we get Jack back and a nice tease for whats to come... On the other hand, this is where Chibnall completely lost me .. will say more when we get there but oof
All i can say is, you are not really gonna enjoy the big storyline of this season from your thoughts on the fugitive doctor 😬 But of course jack returning was brill and the lone cyberman is a good part of this season in my opinion 😁
Ryan's acting is completely wooden and Yaz's acting is so over the top. I think it's a mix between that and the dialogue. A good writer can make even a bad actor seem good and that's the problem with a majority of this era. I'm pretty sure a lot of the episodes were done by amateur writers and the actors can only do so much with the material they are given.
After a very disappointing era this episode recharged my hope for Doctor who, this episode was good and Jo Martin should have been the 13th Doctor not Jodie that way Chibnall could have killed two birds with one stone, the first female doctor and the first black doctor missed opportunity there. The return of Jack made me so happy as well, but where the storyline for the fugitive doctor goes is very disappointing in my opinion, I'm very curious to see what you think of it.
@@OliverEdinbAug23 it's what the majority saw and why the ratings dropped to the worst ever. Jodie admitted to never watching Who or caring about it AND was rude to Tennent when asked if he gave her advice and she gave some obnoxious response about how it's a new era not for old fans but a more female empowering movement, while Chibnal who is an extreme left learner wanted to diverse Who above all else even though it was already diverse 🤷🏿♂️. Chibnal AND Jodie said they wanted to move away from "the white male doctor with quirky personality to a more mature female doctor without the need for quirkyness", I only slightly paraphrased that but feel free to Google it and you'll see they said that. Jodie being an extreme open feminists was very open about removing the male tropes in doctor Who. So for you to say that's not what's going on, the fact the largest majority of viewers left the show BECAUSE of the heavy pc script direction AND the fact the show is not just regarded as dead now, IT IS DEAD NOW(look at the viewer ratings, it's dead, they killed it), then you saying that's not what's happening even though without putting spoilers they are now trying to recon Jodie's entire run speaks volumes. They destroyed a great show, it will never recover. However I hope this RUclipsr enjoys it as I have said before, I'm not one of those that wants people to not like what I don't like. He has his own mind and opinions and I respect them.
@jingtroc23 Neither did Christopher Eccleston or any of the Classic Doctors watched Doctor Who when they got the part and yet they made the Doctors their own and brilliant Jodie is the same you don't have to study or be a fan to be the Doctor. I think your way off.
@@jingtroc23 @jingtroc23 I haven't seen a poll about what "the majority" thinks. I wrote "imo" (in my opinion) I will not argue with anyone about matters of taste or opinion. I saw the viewing numbers, Doctor Who is not dead. And there is no re-write as I understand it. I will not go further into that now and ask you to do the same because of spoilers. And imo Jodie's Doctor is very quirky and the difference to the other Doctors isn't bigger than that of any other Doctor. And I don't know what you are paraphrasing there.
@@OliverEdinbAug23 well I just stated facts, I didn't make stuff up. Jodie was obnoxious towards Tennent, chibnal and Jodie both said they don't want another make quirky doctor because it appeals too much towards the male audience, the ratings for WHO ARE the lowest in Who history, especially for Jodie's run, FACT. And if you're saying the viewing figures dropped because of how great the writing and direction was then you're one of those head in the sand people. I acknowledge you enjoyed it, and I'm happy you did, I hope this RUclipsr enjoys it as I want people to get out of it what I didn't, but the fact is the show has fallen so far, and the majority of viewers left the show, so unless you have another explanation for that it's best you don't keep trying to make stuff up
9:46 Missed the opportunity to make the best cliffhanger in New Who. This should have been a two parter 😭
Can u imagine Captain Jack reveal and the Jo Martin reveal at the same time
I bloody adore Jo Martin. She’s one of the best things about this show. She eats up every scene she’s in.
It was insane seeing Jack as an RTD era character in this more cinematic version of the show.
Oh man I remember when the DW Community blew up the night after this episode aired.
Jack's back and a new doctor we know nothing about?! Such an awesome episode.
So.. one thing Jo Martin had that Jody didn’t at first was a very clear direction for her Doctor. I think for me this is why this episode is iconic and why I want so much more of the fugitive doctor.
Jo Martin was heavily inspired by Capaldi btw.
Cool, thanks for telling me :)
No spoilers on where Ruth fits in but as a Doctor she's instantly iconic!
I love this episode 🥰 Jo Martin is superb & unfortunately not only rivals Jodie as 13 but IMHO outshines her. The subtle clues ("Faithfull companion") she was a Doctor with the hexagonal mirror & Tardis-like windows in her flat are an outstanding piece of set design, just gorgeous! 🥰
The shock of Cpt Jack's return was gigantic as it was not really leaked by anyone. Chibnall really kept a reign on spoilers on set during his era not leaning into promoting the show (Sometimes too much) something that can't be said of RTD2 the leaks have been coming fast & frequent
Oh & how amazing is Segun Akinola's music? 🎶
What an Ep! Really felt like you had no idea what S12 was going to do next!
Glad to hear you love it :)
Ah, you finally made it to the surprise festival that was episode 5! None of the big surprises were known before the episode originally aired. I remember my own jaw dropping several times! The Whittaker era was good at keeping its secrets and having big reveals.
Good to know stuff wasn’t spoiled :)
I loved it when The Ruth Doctor answered," smart enough not to need one."
Great line :)
My cat did not enjoy the first time we watched this episode; he was on my mum's lap, and she screamed when we saw Jack for the first time.
😂😂
Yeah, 13 has radiated "annoying when confused" energy from the beginning 🤣 Very normal trait to have.
“There’s not much room except the future!” 🤐
Yes, THIS is the one. 😅👍
Thanks, that I can finally talk about it! 🤝
What a fantastic reaction. I think this is between the first and the third doctor somewhere. Or perhaps a doctor from another universe?
So glad you were able to watch this without spoilers haha
Same, would’ve been pissed if something got spoiled for me :)
Missing your "Let's get on with it!" 😅
Yep, definitely and also "Alright, gonna be watching Doctor Who, series 12, episode 5"
Second video in a row with a SJA mention, love that! 😁
Such a sick episode one of my faves for series 12 especially with the Tardis and Fugitive Doctor reveal. Can’t wait to see you watch more, great reaction!
This was the introduction of what the fandom calls The Ruth Doctor
So there's a few interesting thing about Jo Martin's doctor. She has a tardis disguised as a police box, which would not be possible if she was before the 1st doctor. And this episode confirms it as the same tardis because of the line about "temporal feedback."
There is also a theory used to explain some stuff in the classic series, and a few novels that the writer of this series, Chris Chibnall, read when he was younger. And they feature The 2nd Doctor working for the timelords as a sort of secret agent. It's called the "season 6b theory" and basically the timelord extract the doctor right as he regenerates from the 2nd doctor to the 3rd.
So my theory is, Jo Martin's doctor is in between 2 and 3 and theres some timelordy timey wimey explination for why her existance doesnt change the doctor's overall amount of regenerations, meaning that the 11th doctor was still the last incarnation of his original set of regenerations.
Its sorta really complex, but It'll probably make more sense at the end of the series ;)
That doesn't make any sense either and for four reasons.
1. Considering the Doctor has already had 13 in that cycle from William Hartnell to Matt Smith it's 13 bodies 12 regenerations so I can't see how Jo Martin can fit in between 2 and 3 because if that's the case the only one they could leave out is the meta-crisis regeneration since Tennant's Doctor didn't change but that would mean 14 regenerations which doesn't add up.
2. Also the Third Doctor was in the Second Doctor's outfit after he regenerated and collapsed outside the TARDIS so why would the Time Lord's bother to change him back to his old clothes instead of just leaving him in Jo Martin's costume it would seem like a waste of time to me
3. The Second Doctor was the first Doctor to have a sonic screwdriver, The Fugitive Doctor has no idea what a sonic screwdriver is so that's another thing that doesn't add up.
4. That would be disrespectful to Jon Pertwee to put him down as number 4 rather than number 3.
I always found this season 6b theory complete fanfiction. The Second Doctor regenerated into The Third Doctor and got sent to earth end of story that's it. Fugitive has to be a future Doctor it's the only thing that makes total sense.
@@joshuajoshua2732 well, season 6b isn't really fanfiction, because there are books based on the idea.
And perhaps the 2nd doctor dies on duty for the timelords, so they grant them an extra "free" regeneration that doesn't count to the overall limit.
the fugitive doctor also knows what the screwdriver is, she just says she's "smart enough not to need one"
either way, it makes less sense for her to be pre-hartnell because of everything else about her.
Also the 3rd doctor arrives in an outfit different to the 2nd doctor.
Thing you are forgetting is that the tardis could have been a police box, before it was a police box in the first episode. It only gets stuck as the police box after that.
@@charg1nmalaz0r51 why would it still be a police box in the modern day?
@@joshuajoshua2732 Your theory doesnt hold up, you got good points, but you can counter all of them.
1. We learn from the "Cartmell masterplan" the series planed for the 7th Doctor in 1990 (sadly the show was cancelled) that the Doctor is not a Timelord. The Timelords had been founded, by 3 godlike beeings...Rassilon (the one with the power to regenerate), Omega the (mad) scientist who had the idea of Timetravell and the weapons in the Omega-arsenal and "the Other" who was a technical genius who worked out his friends plans. At this point, all of the Timelords where gifted limitless regenerations, but Rassilon made a limit at 12, for all exapt the three. Over time, the Other saw his friends turn mad by power, unable to bare it any longer, he denounced his godlike status and regenerated into the child that would become the first Doctor.
BTW thats not fanfiction. Sylvester McCoy talks about this in several interviews and in the 1989 series there are hints to this plan. First in rememberence of the Daleks, when Ace asked about the Hand of Omega and how powerfull the "old" Timelords had really been, the Docter smirkes and says "Ohhhh back in the days, we did many things ..... uhm ... i mean, they did."
Later that season, Ace is asked by the vilain "do you know what the Doctor is?" Ace says "He is a Timelord!" and the vilain shook her head.
(btw...yes many of this is done in TTLC ....but its done is the worst way possible... i prefere this over C.C.s BS any day)
2. We never saw the 2nd Doctor regenerate into Pertwee. The Doctor should choose a face for the forced regeneration. Jamie ans Zoe are send back to before they met the Doctor.
Now it gets complicated. In "the two Doctors" the 6th Doctor meets a very old 2nd Doctor and Jamie! Thats important, because Jamie remembers "War-games" ( Troughtons last story) and has memories of storys that happen during the so called season 6b.
Also, the 2nd Doctor does have a TARDIS remote and when 6 asked how he got it, 2 sais "You get this, when you work for THEM, you know" and 6 is shocked to hear 2nd work for the Timelords. (the next Doctor to have a TARDIS remote is the War-Doctor, when he works for the CIA during the timewar)
The fugetive theorie says...After a long life and many jobs, for the Timelords, the 2nd Doctor dies of old age. He regenerates into the Fugetive Doctor, because she still workes for the CIA at this point, at some point she runs away. After they got hold of her, they complete the forced regeneration. They reset the Doctors memory and put him back in seconds clothes. So as far as the Doctor is concerned he is the 3rd Doctor.
As for the regeneration cylce, we know from canon, that the Timelords can change the number at random. During the Time-War, they grant more lifes to Rassilon and the Master. They restored the Bruce-Master, who later becomes the War-Master.
3. The 2nd Doctor has "just" a screwdriver. Its not yet the Deus-ex machina tool it will become. So yes, if she is a pre Pertwee Doctor, she will not know what this device does. Also she doesnt say that she dosnt know what it is, she says "smart enough not to need it" BTW the 5th Doctor has the same attitude about the screwdriver.
4. It wouldnt change Pertwees number. Because she is the "Fugetive Doctor" same as John Hurt is the "War-Doctor" and David Ttennant season 4 is the "Meta-crisis Doctor" even if we only count John Hurt and Davids first regeneration, for this argument, that would mean Eccleston is 10, Tennant 11 AND 12, Smith 13, Capaldi 14, Jodie 15 etc. but no....Eccleson is still 9 Tennant 10, Smith 11 etc.
On a personal note, it doesnt seem correct, that she would be a future incarnation, by the TARDIS alone. First she has got the classic console room (yes the season 9 modernised version, but still classic) and second she calls the TARDIS "old girl" that was a thing during the classic eara. especally Doctors 3,4 and 8.
Yay! This episode! I loved it. And I flipping Jo Martin’s doctor. I want to see a whole series with her. There was so much fan discussion on this and where she fit in. The story in this one and the pacing was amazing. Plus… the big surprise :D :D :D.
With Human Nature/Family Of Blood (less so with the 1995 VNA book version but still there), We were on the inside looking out, through Martha & all the other characters in that story saw her as being weird & unusual.
Whereas here we're on the outside looking in, all the characters including the Whittaker Doctor & The Fam, see "Lee" as weird & unusual.
When both were companions keeping watch of their Doctors, cool parallel.
Fugitive doctor is amazing, just needed one episode for everybody to love her! Probably the best character Chibnall wrote!
Top 5 words Hamza uses :
Cool!
Awesome!
Wow!
Hahahahah!
Oh
Yupp 😂
You forgot WTF
@@jennifermorris6848 Oh yeah
My favourite is when something happens and he says, "fuck."
What the hell
Ok, now I can actually say the thing. My mother used to be a HUGE Captain Jack Harkness fan. 😅 We've watched almost all of Doctor Who together. Well, I watched it first and then again later with her. And it took AGES for them to finally bring him back, right?
So, anyway, my mom died a couple of weeks before this episode aired..... 😔
At age 63.
Oh, and before anyone misunderstands me, I'm not saying this to blame anything or anyone, I just want to say that this is the shit that happens in life, sometimes ...
Sorry to hear that about your mum. Hope wherever she is, she was able to see Jack return to DW 😂 Rest in peace ❤️
@@HamzaReactz hope so, too.
I love this episode of doctor who because I love joe Martin as the Ruth doctor and I love captain jack Heartnes and I love Jodi Whitaker in this episode because this episode gives us one of jodi Whitaker best profamce as the 13th doctor
Actually The Sonic has been used since The Third Doctor
I’ve been waiting to see your reaction to this episode. It’s one of my favourite Jodie episodes
I less than half an episode Jo martin out doctored Jodie with a series and a half under her belt, that's acting. Also I love how if the fugitive doctor is a past doctor then using the Chamelon arch way back when explains why the 10th doctor had it already on the tardis.
Jack’s return was great for the time…but with what came out about him afterward…we’re not gonna be getting him in RTD2
That’s unfortunate
This entire seasons plot, including the finale leaked in insane detail (will talk more about it after you see the finale) but iirc Jack didn't leak at all, everyone kept that hush hush lol.
Next two episodes are 💀💀 imo
Chibnall has this thing where nobody seems to be allowed to deliver a full line of dialogue apart from the Doctor. Her companions just speak at her, one at a time, in segments,
Ryan:finishing off.
Yaz: Each others
Graham: sentences
And it gets more annoying the more you notice it, that and characters having to tell us things we have just seen with our own eyes. ‘They’re behind us’, ‘it’s charging up’ ‘it didn’t work Doctor’ ‘it’s attacking him’ ‘the birds are going crazy’ ‘the planes going to crash’ ‘it’s not a gravestone ‘ just stfu please
Also I find 13 overuses her sonic screwdriver, especially in this episode, she uses it sooo much for pointless things she can see with her own eyes, in one episode she even scans a rock to tell us….it’s a rock. In resolution she scans a dead body that’s literally been exterminated just to tell us it’s dead. Yes. We know. It’s a dead body
Completely agree :)
Using the Sonic screwdriver to scan a body makes sense.
@@friendlyotaku9525 there’s a Dalek on the loose in the barn, a dead body outside the barn. Doesn’t take Sherlock Holmes to figure out he’s obviously dead.
It’s even more surprising that Jodie’s sonic manages to do everything in the universe considering it’s made out of spoons and a piece of technology from tooth man.
@@obiwankenobi687 She still has to check though.
I enjoyed this episode at the time, and I really like Jo Martin as the Doctor, but I feel similar to you on her placement in the timeline.
Keeping vague on everything until you've finished the season, so I'll expand on my thoughts on Fugitive Doc later on.
You probably recognise Gat’s actress from the umbrella academy if you’ve seen that, she played Lila
Oh shit yeah, that’s where I know her from. Thanks for telling me :)
Wow! It's wild that you've reached the middle point of the era.
Ik 😂
So much happened in this episode
Jack return
Apparently they’re another face of The Doctor that we don’t know about.
Judoon return. Yeah alot happened.
I knew when Jack find out that The Doctor is a woman, I knew he was gonna love it.
Jack hadn’t changed much since Torchwood series 4.
Happy he hasn’t, awesome the way he is :)
@@HamzaReactz yeah I agree. I never want him to change. That why his character is awesome.
I'm not gonna lie, I honestly prefer The Fugitive Doctor (character-wise, not story) over the 13th Doctor. She looks absolutely badass + her outfit is just 😚👌
Same tbh 😂
A really good episode setting things up for the future and lots of surprises. I agree with you that 13 is a bit annoying in that scene near the end. However reading through the comments I seem to be one of the very few people who prefer Jodie's Doctor over Jo's. Don't get me wrong she is ok but doesn't leave me with the feeling of wishing we'd had this Doctor instead or more of this Doctor.
I feel like it's a bit disrespectful to both when people big Jo up by bringing Jodie down, both are brilliant in their own ways!
OMG the Capt Jack easter egg was brilliant
I love this ep and the Ruth doctor. Unfortunately, the second main(ish) female doctor gets used to claim Jodie is a bad doctor. I love them both , also kind of love the idea that Ruth doctor was probably planning to have 13 as a companion 😂😭
The woman leading the Judoon that you recognized- that’s the same actress who plays Rani in SJA! Fun fact: her partner is Sasha Dhawan, Jodie’s incarnation of the Master this season.
Yes, the actress (Anjli Mohindra) who plays Rani in SJA is indeed married to Sasha Dhawan. However, she doesn't appear in this episode. I presume you are referring to the character of Gat, who is played by Ritu Arya.
Maybe you mixed that up because she was in the last episode (with a lot of prosthetics)
@@OliverEdinbAug23I did mix that up! Thank you for correcting me.
the epic comeback maked this episode the best episode in this era for me :D
there were a lot of theories she fitteed between 2nd and 3rd as it would be possible, but anyways, welcome to the point of no return, I personally like it for the good parts
totally agree about the dialogue
based on your comments I think you are not gonna like the finale that much hehe hope I'm wrong tho
There is one place that would really work for the fugitive Dr (I won't say where till either the end of this series or if you get far enough in classic) within classic who, that's been explored briefly in expanded media.
It's a theory you can use if you wanted somewhere to put her, and end up disliking where the show points to. But again, I won't say what it is in case of spoilers.
This is EASILY one of the most shocking episodes of Doctor Who - EVER! I remember my jaw being on the floor quite a few times when i first watched this. Jack? The Lone Cyberman? Another Doctor?! What is happening?!! Well I do know now but no spoilers!
Hello Fugitive Doctor ! I love this incarnation of the Doctor ! Jo Martin the actress did a really good job with it !
This episode was quite big the two reveal made me so confuse and happy at the same time.. 😅😊
Why was the TARDIS a police box? That happened when the first doctor got stuck in the 60’s. If this happened before then… then why is it a police box???
Because the Tardis can always be a police box, it just got stuck as one but it always can be one :)
I also was a bit annoyed by that because there seems to be no reason for it to be a police box, but who knows (or she doesn't 😉)
Obviously the tardis could always choose to be a police box and as the Tardis' perception of time is non-linear maybe it chose this form because it knew it will meet up with 13. Maybe it's another tardis and had other reasons. I personally think it's a bit of a lazy way for the writer to show that it IS a tardis without opening it. Maybe there will be an explanation (I doubt it) or maybe he just thought: "there may be loads of reasons, I don't need to give them, I just need a strong optical reveal."
@@OliverEdinbAug23 I do think it being a police box could’ve been mainly for the reveal of her being the doctor. Because seeing the police box in the grave is what makes you realise and have a reaction to what is happening :)
I think fugitive is a future Doctor, with 13s Tardis (after she fell to earth) and 13 found fugitives Tardis at Ghost Monument.
On Ryan and Yaz, that's Chibnall's style. You said in the first couple of episodes that they feel real - and that's because Chibs writes in that intentionally flat, but real, style. People do talk like that, they don't talk much. And it's the ying yang of this era - some times the down to earth nature really pays off, like how Ryan talks to his Dad in the cafe scene in the New Year special, and sometimes it leads to flat moments that undercut big drama, like in this episode. If you can remember back to Matt Smith's first season, and they go underground and meet the Silureans, much of the dialogue in that ep is similar when it comes to side characters. It's just how Chibs writes. Sometimes it's brilliant and feels really fresh, and sometimes it feels entirely out of place. I think the guy playing Ryan is a good actor tbh - I think he's playing it exactly how he's been told: reserved, closed up, and genuinely quite quiet, how a lot of guys his age are.
They're also weak actors, imho, especially Tosin Cole.
@@ftumschk I just don't agree.
@@ftumschkMandip Gill certainly is NOT a weak actor.
@@friendlyotaku9525 She's OK, but the way she inflects her lines often comes across as if she's reading from the script. She's not as wooden as Tosin Cole, I'll concede that, but she's not remotely in the same league as previous Companion actors.
@@ftumschk Mandip Gill is brilliant, especially in the emotional scenes which she utterly nails. And I'd also disagree that Tosin Cole is wooden, I think his accent (which is not his natural accent) sometimes makes his delivery sound a little off but he's also had some great scenes where he shows what he can do, particularly in Resolution
There are some things in Doctor Who fans just try to ignore because they don’t fit the rest of the canon. Like the 8th Doctor saying he was half human in the TV movie. I don’t remember enough of the specifics of this story to say whether this thing with Ruth is gonna be like that, but you can always do that if it turns out that way.
Yeah but to me the movie is so forgettable. I legit forget it exists and only remember when people talk about it or the 8th Doctor. The fugitive being the Doctor before first is something that will always be on my mind now and isn’t forgettable at all in my opinion :)
@@HamzaReactz Fair enough.
@HamzaReactz I don't know if the TV Movie is entirely forgettable there were some good moments particulary with the 8th Doctor as i still think it has a place in Who history but the half human thing and the romantic kiss with his companion Grace are the only bits I want to find forgettable.
I said “to me”
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Before you watch the final episodes of this season I recommend you watch the 4th Doctor story "The Brain of Morbius". It's important to the plot, but I dare not say more in fear of spoilers.
Already seen it :)
Very fun ep... i do feel its more of a "reveal reveal reveal" shocks... than an actual plot... which feels a little empty... but its a load of fun so its not a biggie..., having Jack back and this new mysterious Doctor who's just brilliant!! You'll get nothing from me about what is going on... even feelings ... spoilers 😜
Love her Tardis as well... very classic... judoon are always fun... though they repeated similar beats to the Smith and Jones ... in fact this series so far does repeat a lot of series 3 stuff lol.. with the master back, that scene where they had to go into hiding cos of Lenny Henry .. the Doctor being human ...😂
💯 agree with the dialogue .. but this is an issue I've had pretty much from the start of the era... i know you have said before that you feel they feel like proper humans... for me they haven't due to their dialogue and reactions... ofcourse its not always like that... but if feels more often than not... Bradley Walsh is able to bring his own charm... so he gets away with it more... makes sense...he is the most experienced actor out the lot of them...
I just felt secret incarnations was done
1:37 is so real, it's a good episode overall but that one moment just annoys me like "human" isn't a language why'd they do that lmfao
There you go, warning added
Yes, the companions are vad rhis episode. As theyre good in other episodes, I'd blame it on the writer
At the time, I thought that the events of “Day of the Doctor” might have fractured things more widely, and on one reality, 11 regenerates into 12 Capaldi, and on another, 11 regenerates into 12 Martin.
Ok here is one of the best episodes. If you want to break the Canon . . . This is the best way to break it. I will accept anything that allows me to have Doctor Ruth.
I just with it could've been some alternate timeline or something
@@SoupsSBIf only.
Have to be honest, Ruth felt more like the Doctor in 1 episode than Whittaker in 2 Seasons.
I do think she stole the show in this episode 😂 and I say that as someone who likes 13 :)
@@HamzaReactzHonestly, I would've preferred her over Whittaker
Maybe 2nd Doctor was split during war games but he forgot
I haven’t seen that yet :)
@@HamzaReactz davisons era and pertwees era are the best of classic who, the rest of the classic doctors have mid stories…well majority are mid
Ok, the Jack Harkness thing? Nice! 👌
Loved it. Just too short.
The timeless child thing? 🤔
Don't know. I think I hate it....
I don't want my Doctor to be the super important unkillable magical space jesus. I can't relate to that. 🤷♂️
I just always thought of the Doctor as a random wanderer through space. With flaws.
Also, timeless child retcons SO much! What about series 6? 11 getting pretend-killed, okay, but technically we were led to believe that this is how it's supposed to happen!
What about series 7? Time of the Doctor? Yeah, what exactly was it the Timelords gave the Doctor there?
Do we say that stuff is ALL meaningless now? Just because Chibby wants to play his agenda? Radical change is fine, but it has to be well THOUGHT OUT!
Also what's with the TARDIS being a blue box pre-Hartnell?
Someone didn't do his homework in continuity there....
Sorry, been sick for a couple of days, so I could comment only now. I probably won't get any replies now anymore....
I think Ryan is fine, Yaz is the one who’s the issue for me bc they j try to force her, gram is the bets
Fair enough. Graham is great, other two are shit in my opinion. And I hate to say it cause I love both of them as characters :)
@@HamzaReactz what’s ur thoughts on her 2 szns so far compared to what everyone else has said and what you’ve heard? Cuz honestly I hated it, it feels like they don’t have a good overarching story, but honestly I’ve liked it more based on you reacting to it, might just be because you only include the good parts
Jo Martin should’ve been the Thirteenth Doctor idec. She had me convinced she was more The Doctor in this one episode than Jodie Whittaker had in nearly 2 series at this point.
True :)
I definitely agree that Jo Martin is awesome in this episode. I think that Yaz definitely had some missed potential given that she's a police officer and the judoon are space police. Honestly, it's not as good on rewatch, since the surprises aren't as big a shock and scenes like the one with the judoon assimilating the language just feel like a lesser version of the equivalent scenes from Smith and Jones. Also, "language: human" makes it sound like English is the only human language, and I don't get why they didn't re-use the "earth English" part of the line.
For me, if the doctor had to be female, this was the doctor we should have had, bad ass and with attitude! Jo Martin killed it for me..! I think this was one of the most watched (if not THE most watched) episode in this era, probably due to the return of Jack...
I think 13 is awesome, she’s the goofy, child like sort of Doctor we’ve had in the past. Don’t see an issue with it. But I liked how The Fugitive was aswell :)
@HamzaReactz fair enough, each to their own... I agree regards the goofy, but there are times when the Dr has to exert authority or be scary, or show his/her ancient wisdom... for me, jodie never got this.... its strange because she was great in broadchurch, a much more serious role...
The Doctor has NEVER been "badass", they're ALL just the Doctor
@zagreus139 it's just a turn of phrase as I'm sure you know, she comes across as someone not to be messed with, just as other doctors have from time to time (some of matts speeches, tennants family of blood moment etc).. for me jodie never does... being "just the doctor" doesn't really cover the wide range of emotions or personality traits that have been explored over the last 60 years... being a badass is just one facet of the whole....
@@space1999 I was biased towards Jodie Whitaker from the performance opposite Christopher Eccleston in Antigone. To me, her Doctor doesn't carry that depth of characterization. The exercise fell flat with the goofiness, the over designed TARDIS and the MCU costume - not clothes - that Jodie was encumbered with. However, Faye Marsay did in Last Christmas, in one episode, show more character and she's a younger actor. I'd've loved to see her tackle the role and with RTD and Moffat and Rona Munro who wrote Survival with Sylvester McCoy and The Eaters Of Light with Capaldi as the writers.
This is the episode where things start to get very, very controversial with fandom.
First of all great episode i'm not the biggest Captain Jack fan but it's nice treat for the ones that do like him.
I thought ripping the Judoon's horn out was alittle cruel.
It was awesome to see the Judoon return.
It can't be before The Ninth Doctor and NuWho because we saw The 8th Doctor (Paul McGann) change into The War Doctor (John Hurt) then change into The Ninth Doctor (Christopher Eccleston) in "The Day of the Doctor" The Fugitive Doctor (Jo Martin) takes place before The First Doctor (William Hartnell) because Gallifrey is alive and well and she has the same type of attitude as The First Doctor and The Fugitive and First Doctor are not familiar with the sonic screwdriver however and Fugitive refers to her TARDIS as a "the ship" like Hartnell's Doctor does the only thing that doesn't add up is the TARDIS and Susan because her TARDIS is a Police Box and it was only stuck that way when The First Doctor (William Hartnell) and Susan (Carole Ann Ford) landed in 1963 london as seen in the first episode "An Unearthly Child" also we saw The First Doctor stole the TARDIS in "The Name of the Doctor" so none of that adds it would make 100% more sense if The Fugitive Doctor takes place sometime in the future and just doesn't remember her past incarnations also bare in mind we already saw 13 versions of the Doctor in his first cycle now where on her second cycle and The 13th Doctor is the second Doctor of her second cycle it's alot to to take in i know but that's the only way i can make sense of any of it. Chibnall admitted himself he has no idea where The Fugitive Doctor takes place in the timeline but it's defintely either sometime before Hartnell or after Gatwa.
To be fair, there IS a place RuthDoctor MIGHT fit....but you'll need to watch more of Classic Who. Even then, its a bit of a stretch.
Additionally, she could also be from an alternate time line. Not an unknown thing in Who.
Could you tell me or do I have to watch that bit of classic who first?
Nooo don't look it up and don't tell him. It's massive.
@@DBarkz-uz9ym I'm keeping schtum,don't worry! :D
@Hamza...just keep watching Classic from where you left off. You'll find out in due time
You can’t mention it and then just not tell me. You should’ve just not said anything at all 😂
@@HamzaReactz you don't want to know trust me, the stuff he is mentioning is is big spoilers for classic who, and astronomical lore defining spoilers for new who.
I like jodie as an actress in other shows, but i feel as the doctor she tries too hard most of the time and shes quite exhausting to watch. Her subtle, calm moments feel more like the doctor than her usual ott hyper silly performance
Jodie's not my style of Doctor (don't hate her, she just gets on my nerves a bit) but I instantly loved Jo Martin. Can't believe how quickly you're going through these episodes 😂 will be cool if you can catch up before the new series starts!
That’s the plan :)
@@HamzaReactz good luck with the flux btw, word of advice try and pay attention, its easy to get lost lol
I still don’t really understand who Gat was.
Gat is the girl that hired the Judoon :)
@@HamzaReactz yes I know that but I don’t understand why Gat wanted to kill Ruth/the Doctor and where she fits in the Doctor’s past. I know she was a Time Lord. Was she something to do with Division?
yes, cant remember her exact role but she was with divison on gallifrey :)
Jo Martin steals the show. She should've been the 13th Doctor. Jodie was massively miscast imo.
Do you still want to know the place it could be?
I do but people don’t want me to know cause of spoilers :)
Lol, Its fine I'll put a spoiler warning if that's okay?
Ayt :)
Spoilers:
So if they are talking about what I think they are there is an episode called brain of morbius where morbius shows the Doctor incarnations that he doesn't remember therefore it's been established for a long while that sadly hartnell is not the first Doctor but that's okay with me bc it is called Doctor Who and it adds more mystery to the character
@@helloneighborfan1626 Hamza reacted to Brain of Morbius a few months back. So, technically he's not being spoiled on that particular point :)
Ruth dr is one of the best. Huge set up episode
shame it never really pays off lol
Ruth Doctor > 13th! Not quite as good as it should be, but it’s a hell of a step up on a lot of previous episodes!
And yeah the companion dialogue is terrible here (which imo it frequently was during this era). Just sounds really stilted and unnatural. It reminds me of when authors switch to screenwriting but are still writing in the style of a book which comes across redundant on screen. I do also think Ryan's actor's delivery is really wooden which makes it even more obvious.
Yeah I agree :)
Graham was the only good companion in this era
I like all 3 but completely understand why you feel that way :)
Even fugitive is better then 13 😑
Such a mixed bag for me in this ep, on one hand.. we get Jack back and a nice tease for whats to come... On the other hand, this is where Chibnall completely lost me .. will say more when we get there but oof
Ryan is so annoying, all he does is state the obvious.
Yupp
All i can say is, you are not really gonna enjoy the big storyline of this season from your thoughts on the fugitive doctor 😬
But of course jack returning was brill and the lone cyberman is a good part of this season in my opinion 😁
Ryan's acting is completely wooden and Yaz's acting is so over the top. I think it's a mix between that and the dialogue. A good writer can make even a bad actor seem good and that's the problem with a majority of this era. I'm pretty sure a lot of the episodes were done by amateur writers and the actors can only do so much with the material they are given.
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After a very disappointing era this episode recharged my hope for Doctor who, this episode was good and Jo Martin should have been the 13th Doctor not Jodie that way Chibnall could have killed two birds with one stone, the first female doctor and the first black doctor missed opportunity there. The return of Jack made me so happy as well, but where the storyline for the fugitive doctor goes is very disappointing in my opinion, I'm very curious to see what you think of it.
mate the dialogue in this entire season is bad lol, the companions dont help with their bad acting
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Prepare for the nonsensical random rewrite of Who canon just to be inclusive and diverse 😂.
Sorry, but imo that is so not what's going on.
@@OliverEdinbAug23 it's what the majority saw and why the ratings dropped to the worst ever. Jodie admitted to never watching Who or caring about it AND was rude to Tennent when asked if he gave her advice and she gave some obnoxious response about how it's a new era not for old fans but a more female empowering movement, while Chibnal who is an extreme left learner wanted to diverse Who above all else even though it was already diverse 🤷🏿♂️. Chibnal AND Jodie said they wanted to move away from "the white male doctor with quirky personality to a more mature female doctor without the need for quirkyness", I only slightly paraphrased that but feel free to Google it and you'll see they said that. Jodie being an extreme open feminists was very open about removing the male tropes in doctor Who.
So for you to say that's not what's going on, the fact the largest majority of viewers left the show BECAUSE of the heavy pc script direction AND the fact the show is not just regarded as dead now, IT IS DEAD NOW(look at the viewer ratings, it's dead, they killed it), then you saying that's not what's happening even though without putting spoilers they are now trying to recon Jodie's entire run speaks volumes. They destroyed a great show, it will never recover.
However I hope this RUclipsr enjoys it as I have said before, I'm not one of those that wants people to not like what I don't like. He has his own mind and opinions and I respect them.
@jingtroc23 Neither did Christopher Eccleston or any of the Classic Doctors watched Doctor Who when they got the part and yet they made the Doctors their own and brilliant Jodie is the same you don't have to study or be a fan to be the Doctor. I think your way off.
@@jingtroc23 @jingtroc23 I haven't seen a poll about what "the majority" thinks. I wrote "imo" (in my opinion) I will not argue with anyone about matters of taste or opinion. I saw the viewing numbers, Doctor Who is not dead. And there is no re-write as I understand it. I will not go further into that now and ask you to do the same because of spoilers.
And imo Jodie's Doctor is very quirky and the difference to the other Doctors isn't bigger than that of any other Doctor. And I don't know what you are paraphrasing there.
@@OliverEdinbAug23 well I just stated facts, I didn't make stuff up. Jodie was obnoxious towards Tennent, chibnal and Jodie both said they don't want another make quirky doctor because it appeals too much towards the male audience, the ratings for WHO ARE the lowest in Who history, especially for Jodie's run, FACT. And if you're saying the viewing figures dropped because of how great the writing and direction was then you're one of those head in the sand people. I acknowledge you enjoyed it, and I'm happy you did, I hope this RUclipsr enjoys it as I want people to get out of it what I didn't, but the fact is the show has fallen so far, and the majority of viewers left the show, so unless you have another explanation for that it's best you don't keep trying to make stuff up
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Jo is a better female doctor…but she makes no sense.