Succession - The Coup De Tom (spoilers)
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Succession is one of the best shows on TV right now and arguably is on track to be one of the best of all time. Logan, the patriarch of the elite Roy family and his ambitious, cutthroat offspring take center stage, but that isn't to say that the show is without great characters on the outskirts of the family. One of the best of such characters is Tom. And his cunning coup in season 3 drastically alters the dynamic of power in the Roy family and the trajectory of the show.
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Chapters:
0:00 - Intro
0:47 - Why Succession?
3:30 - The Dissection of Tom Wambsgans
9:40 - The Coup De Tom 
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The Sporus story is very revealing to how Tom see's his relationship with Greg. Also, Tom eating Logan's chicken was important.
Oh shit forgot about the chicken scene.
brilliant story
It was foreshadowing for the betrayal. Remember? Nero pushed his wife down the stairs into her death before marrying Sporus (allying with Greg). Also in the story there was how Nero truly loved Sporus like Greg and Tom truly are bros and trust each other, like when Tom didn't tell that Greg had spoken to the writer in S02. Shiv's and Tom's relationship was nothing but trust, Shiv cheating, wanting open relationship on wedding night (where she later indicates that Tom isn't free to do what he wants), stringing Tom to be a big deal in Waystar someday until suddenly swiping in saying she will be the successor after only bashing the company, them always talking about Shiv's moves but not much Tom's and it ending up into S02 breaking point. S03 when Shiv should be trying to fix the broken marriage more she meets Ken and Tom hears about it from Greg when in the marriage Tom tells everything to Shiv (always calling her what happens), Shiv acting like Tom is nuincance and doesn't talk about it with him once when he is being worried about prison, Shiv getting mad for Tom wanting a baby (which is Tom's part to secure the relationship if he goes to prison since Shiv will dump his ass the minute it would happen), then finally her saying she doesn't love her just after Tom seeing some light of her agreeing into having a baby (and that was basically just because her mother said she shouldn't have one and after the prison danger).
So to summarise they aren't a team but she plays her game Tom as secretary when Tom and Greg are much more team even if Greg has been climbing the ladder and being under Tom. Tom trusts Greg more than Shiv. But the allegory is more about Tom's and Shiv's relationship than Tom's and Greg's.
@@afriendofjamis How? I thought that was a small key piece. It's a fuk you! I will take what is yours. Along with him agreeing to sacrifice himself for Logan and the company by going to jail.
why was the chicken scene important? I knew it had meaning but didn't know exactly what.
Unlike the Roy children, Tom has an accurate view of reality-he can see how he is perceived, understands his place in their world and doesn’t have delusions about his own abilities or what he has to do to get ahead. All the Roy children have an over inflated sense of their own importance and firmly believe they deserve the top job over anyone else. I don’t think they ever considered anyone other than another sibling could be competition or imagined that Logan’s reluctance to hand over control to them might be even slightly rooted in their own incompetence. That’s why both their father’s willingness to sell the company and Tom’s betrayal would never have occurred to them.
While Tom certainly is ambitious, I believe he’s actually far more loyal than any of them. Right up until that last conversation with Shiv, if she had but shown him just a little bit of consideration I don’t think he would have turned on her. Throughout the season even though he was already questioning whether he should cut his losses, he still called her and kept her in the loop whenever anything was going on. She reciprocated by always keeping things from him, making decisions based solely on her own best interests and totally disregarding his needs/fears. It’s only when he’s convinced (by her own actions and words) that he’s never going to matter to her that he finally decides to look out for himself. Yes, he wants money, power, and control but he also needs to be loved.
I have heard people complain this season that there wasn’t enough character development, that they were just doing more of the same. Frankly, for me, that’s a feature not a bug. In this show, events are driven by character not plot. So we see get to know every nuance of these characters-faced with different scenarios yet acting true to who they are at their core. Tom’s decision is not a change-it’s in line with everything we have seen and know of him from that first episode. Given what we know of him, in retrospect, we can clearly see how this is the only choice left to him. It’s at once surprising and yet entirely natural. Now we can rewatch previous episodes and retrace his steps with a new appreciation for the writing. I’m simply blown away by the excellence of this show.
Very well said!
Oh they definitely know Logan thinks they are incompetent. The problem is that they think he loves the company more than them, so the only way to get the love and attention they need is to control the company. They were raised to fight over scraps of affection with each other, not be loyal, which stops them from achieving the potential they all have. Shit Roman and Connor were loyal their entire lives, up to a point, do you see Logan respecting them for it?
Tom is a pawn in the game, just as Shiv needed him for an insider in the company with business experience to advise her, he also needs her because he has no parachute once he stops being the golden boy. Tom is sadly one of the few I truly believe can't win.
> Tom has an accurate view on reality
He might even know how much does the gallon of milk cost...
It wasn't Tom.
Tom is by the far most capable person in the inner circle. They've hinted at it this season but it appears Tom turned ATN into a money machine again which makes sense since like Karl, Gerri, he got to the top by being shrewd and talented. There is no way Logan would have let Shiv marry him if he didn't see something in him. Tom is capable and cunning but next to the family he just doesnt seem that way and it kind of nudered in their presence. Tom actually had to work to get to his current level which is well beyond what anybody like him should be capable of. Tom has shown Logan he is loyal, can play the game, is shrewd, smart, and more than anything could bury Logan and anybody else in the family if he wanted.. I personally don't think Tom did it himself but fed the info to the right person (which might be the same thing).
Greg has Roy blood. Wait til he realizes he has more juice than Tom. He's starting to recognizing it by the end of Season 3.
I think that blood has nothing to do with it. In the end, it was Karl, Gerri and Frank who were with Logan at the negotiations table. Logan could invite Roman to stay from the start of the talks with Matsson, but didn't. He could bring Shiv aboard at any time but didn't. He could even tell Kendall his plans when he wanted Logan to buy him out, but didn't it. In the end, as much as Logan tries to make his kids see the ultimate goal, even he gets tired of their stupidity and surrounds himself with only the most loyal and competent, which happens not to be of his own blood.
Logan Roy loves the company more than the kids. Why let the entitled leeches have it, when he can go up against Odin himself, and Either let Madson deliver the death blows or beat someone worthy of the battle?
I get what you are saying. I do not completely agree though. Greg chooses immediate power and prestige over future wealth as an heir to his grandafther's WayStar stock holdings. He is the real gambler in this saga. So, having pushed his chips to the center of the table; having got a whiff of royal power by proximity while in Tuscany and already having sold his soul to the devil at Tom's invitation, Greg is the Joker on this game. But who has the better hand, Tom or Greg?
it's also funny how Kendall at one point narrated Tom's downfall by comparing him to Rasputin (who was killed by Romanov family cousins)
@@streetseenllc5303 agreed, I’m just hoping That since nero committed suicide, Tom doesn’t. Cause I do think Greg will win and betray him. But then again, Tom was the one to make the reference in the first place so I’d assume he knows how nero died.
Still give me shivers when she said "I don't love you"
rite that shit huuuurt lol mad uncomfortable to watchthat scene is why i was like Good for Tom when he made his move
I was so sad for Tom after he realized Shiv only sees him as a tool. Tom figured if he can’t have love he’ll take power.
That was the moment when any lingering doubts Tom had about screwing Shiv over when the opportunity best presented itself completely vanished.
Her true feelings were spelt out, right to his face. He knew deep down how she felt about the relationship & he couldn't delude himself any longer after that cruel statement of facts. She was smug with it as well. The resentment that would have caused would be like a nuclear bomb.
He was truly crushed at that moment. Brilliant acting as well.
@@c.w.1925 lmao lets not act like tom didnt want power from the beginning and he was rooting for shiv for higher position so he gets one as well.
@@hopeaway9485 Facts but he wanted her acceptance and one day love.
Tom knows the price of milk.
And how many people lives in Indonesia
Tom Wamsgans has to be one of the most complex and interesting characters in TV history. The way Matthew Mcfadyen plays him is Shakespearean and brilliant. There is so much boiling under the surface of his character. The fear, the resentment, the hunger. He’s a fuse, burning for three full seasons. I cannot wait for his arc in Season 4. One Tomlette, extra Greggs, please.
Tom's secret power is that he's just as ruthless and immoral as the Roy family but he's escaped by the ever-engulfing flames of greed and ambition. He understands that there is power in not being the most powerful. He and Gerri are very similar in that regard. They know that being on the top comes with risks that are pointless for them to take. They are the ones below the CEOs and Presidents- rich, powerful, and with many of the same benefits, but without the threats that come with being the leader. That's why they are the ones that stay; they are constant.
Well said and solid points! Thanks for sharing!
reminds me of the Game of Thrones council room scene where everyone is choosing their seats
It always makes sense to be the trusted advisor to the leader and Gerri and Tom looked around and realized the jockeying for the Successor was a dangerous place to be. Better to be the Consigliere in the background than the Leader in the front, who will always be vulnerable.
how come Tom always insinuate that he would like to he considered for the CEO position
@@jorgeskuf because he is him. 😭
This isn’t necessarily ab Tom, but I just realized that shiv had ALWAYS seen Tom as a tool, even before season 3. Before she actually became involved in the company, she and Tom low key agreed he would be climbing up the ladder and she would stay on the sidelines and do her political stuff. This is what I just realized: she was still manipulating Tom into moving higher so that she could still have some type of power in the business without being in business, and that the only reason she was even doing the political stuff was so that she could tell herself she was better and less corrupt than her family.
Tom and Shiv's conversations where Tom implies they had agreed he would take the top job in the company are insightful.
The show didn't start with Shiv going for the top job. She slowly gets seduced into going for it, at all costs. Once Shiv is in the running, she completely dismisses Tom's ambitions and their implied plans.
cus he's a dog
She never really cared in my opinion. She's always only been interested in advancing her own position.
@@motjon agreed. she and pretty much everybody at the start of the show in one scene or another show how they do not take Tom seriously, especially for the ceo spot.
I still believe that Tom, no matter what he has done, has his and Shiv's interests at heart. I think that Tom realized that Kendall, Roman and Conor were not going to let their sister run Waystar. I'm still not sure that Logan really wants a woman running the company, even if it is his daughter. // What to do? What to do? From the history of the show and characters, Tom did exactly what he needed to do and will deal with the fallout (Shiv) later. // Also still believe that there is some mysterious zen master in the wings, but who?
This explains the finale so much
I think people also forget the part where Tom was also looking for security within the Roy family. He married Shiv with a terrible prenup, however he didn't care about that because he loved her and was still "in". Later though, he becomes a sacrificial pawn and realizes he needs to look out for himself since Shiv barely has his interests in mind. At some point he starts trying to have kids with her (since that would keep him tied to her through child support) and doesn't succeed, only for Shiv to hit the final nail in essentially admitting she doesn't love him. Tom has no love and no security in his marriage, in hindisght it was only a matter of time before he switched to Team Logan.
Shiv's chances as the successor died when she blurted out at the dinner with the Pierce family that she was to be announced CEO, showing Logan that she is too brazen and puts her ambition above Logan's interests and the company.
tom has been my favorite character since season 1 and now i get why
Matthew was phenomenal this season. So glad he won an Emmy.
Never mistake politeness for weakness.
One instance everyone fails to point out about the dynamic between shiv and Tom which is quite telling as in how she sees the relationship is when she’s with Nate and tom calls and Nate enquires who was on the phone, she says it’s somebody who works for him. That was the crux of how she sees their relationship, tom was never an equal and he never could become one.
Tom is going to end as CEO
Tom won the CEO because unlike to Roy Siblings, Tom knew the price of a gallon of milk. 🥛
No you got that wrong, reason why Logan past up shiv is because she came out about going to be CEO at the Pierce dinner in front of everybody in season 2. It seemed almost as if she was bragging or gloating. Logan did not like that. Especially letting outsiders know about family business.
I agree. It really is that simple with Logan: as soon as he spies any kind of growing confidence in his children or, god forbid, thinks they're getting full of themselves, he pulls the rug out from under them so they have to start all over again to get back into his good graces.
Amazing analysis. This needs more credit
Much appreciated!
Excellent video! I totally agree w you, my favorite show of all time, I've watched it 5 times already and just can't get enough of it, there's nothing like it.
Great analysis! There was a scene at the start of the season where Tom is overhearing Karl and Frank talk about how Logan has survived every controversy / major fallout and has come out on top. Tom is just as power hungry and has been observing where to make his moves.
That scene slipped my memory, great call out! Thanks for watching!
Trio of siblings? Don’t forget that Connor IS the eldest son!!!!
Connor is delusional in a different way. He isn't as involved in the same drama as the three other Roy sibs. And couldn't he afford an engagement ring?
To make a Tomlette...you got to break a few Greggs
Very good insight about Tom being a killer.
Also I'd somewhat forgotten that Shiv pleaded with Logan to spare Tom. That's sad given that later she makes him feel that she doesn't care. Maybe Shiv has been sending mixed, back and forth messages about her concern for Tom, untimely leaving him feeling unloved and unvalued.
So he throws her over, attaches himself to self made Logan on the hopes of becoming an up from nowhere success himself.
Such a brilliant show.
And great video!
New to this channel and love your analysis. I agree that Greg will likey betray Tom, as he has already shown that his own self interests trump all else. He is a climber (ridiculed as a pauper), who holds power by the secrets he keeps and his potential to use them, the way he uses his rising social status to assure his place at the table. Greg's betrayal is also foreshadowed in how his charatcer mirrors Tom's in that "bitterness" you reference as a motivator and a reason for why he would--just the way Tom did Shiv. As Tom does for Shiv, Greg does indeed have feelings for Tom and vice versa, but they do not superceded their own self-interests. Tom throws Greg a bone as the two outsiders seek to overthrow the incompetenece and hubris of their entitled rivals, aligning themselves with generational wealth. Lastly, this series reveals how deeply entrenched the transcational nature of every relationship is for the Roys, as the overriding interpersonal constructs of their damaged souls. They know no other way to interact with others beyond the alterior motives that inform them.
This is very well put! Welcome to the channel! I’m looking forward to hearing more of your takes in the future!
It depends on how much power Greg actually wants. I could see him betraying Tom if he wants to be more than the "bottom of the top" but not if he's fine with a little bit of status and clout.
@@faithfm1 yeah, also Tom doesn’t treat Greg as badly as Shiv treats Tom.
In Roman history, Sporus gifted Nero a ring depicting the rape of Proserpina, which is said to be one of the many bad omens of Nero's downfall.
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Best video about the best show on tv. Amazing work
Greg could betray Tom at one point if it actually serves him, but to parallel Tom-Greg to Shiv-Tom does not work fully, simply because Tom, despite what role he wants Greg to play for him, actually still cares for Greg and acts in his favor, in contrast to Shiv having Tom only as afterthought at best.
Great commentary. Well done.
Very intelligent and well written commentary. Impressive
Thx for the good work
Great stuff!
Excellent analysis
Very good analysis.
Holy smokes! Great video!
Thank you!
Great video man
"I don't love you but I love you"... Deep
One thing ppl overlook in their assessments of how Shiv had all this coming is the scene in the boat where Logan and her are alone and she pleads with him for it NOT to be Tom who is thrown under the bus and Logan agrees, that's why it was Kendall who Logan decided on. Tom offers himself in season 3 but Shiv RESCUED him at the end of season 2.
Tom doesn't know she did that, right?
@@sarahlang2119 Hmm, good question, I"m not sure but if she didn't tell him, why would she not? Seems like a good way to get some hubby brownie points and engender loyalty no? Doesn't make sense to do that and not tell him no?
@@corgeousgeorge I think she did out of guilty not for for love. She has made crystal clear during the whole show that she doesn't love him. Shiv is probably the most self centered Roy sibbling
@@corgeousgeorge Because she doesn't CARE about points, because she sees him as so incredibly far beneath her (dogs-kicking etc.)
Let's be real, she doesn't really try, she only talks to Logan after Tom asks her to do it basically a million times through the whole show, she doesn't care about Tom's well being, it's only after he says that "I wonder if the sad I be with you is less than the sad i'd be without you" line that she goes to Logan, and I don't think that's love/care, it's just her losing power, because, let's be honest, when it comes to loyalty, Shiv only has Tom, and she fucked their relationship by not showing one single care for his concerns, so that's what she gets by not caring about him.
SUPER insightful video essay. Subscribing!
Welcome to the channel! Thrilled to have you!
Holy, opened my eyes to a whole different view !
Awesome! I’m glad I could do that for you!
tom is a closet homosexual and in love w/greg. He will ultimately out himself by sacrificing everything for Greg in a future narrative tbc
I could see that.
Nah at best Tom is Bi
iirc, Matthew says in an interview that he does think Tom is a little bit in love with Greg, and that it's best to "keep it a mystery"
i think tom and greg could go either way post s3. personally, i think if tom gets away from his toxic, borderline abusive relationship with shiv he may begin to change his behavior towards greg. once that power balance shifts and tom feels less put down by someone important to him, he’ll stop needing to put down greg in response. greg could still betray him but i feel they might realize the two of them are much stronger together- tom knows business and he can kill but he doesn’t have a familial connection to the roys besides shiv and that’s probably gone now. while greg may not have much business experience just yet he does have roy blood and is easy to underestimate which ultimately makes him quite dangerous. if greg was smart, he wouldn’t betray tom because if he does then who will he have? i think toms line in the season 3 finale to greg “who has ever looked out for you in this fucking family?” will likely stick with greg and influence some of his decisions going forward.
You’ve confirmed my love for WamsGams! Please do more Succession content! 🙏
I think Tom would have to be the least convincing human being ever for people to see him as possibly NOT being SO IN LOVE with SHIV, as he is with her MONEY. Not all Shiv's issues are about Daddu. She's definitely had a LOT of men try to marry into her money before Tom. And she LET Tom do it.
Great video! My bet is that Greg will be top dog by the series finale
It was always going to be Tom ,because if you research Tom& Logan scenes Tom always speaks to Logan in a calm measured respectful way no vitriol or backstabbing dialogue.All the other characters especially his children are full of tense over the top behavior.Tom only in front of Logan stays steady.
There is a definite power in being underestimated and Tom clearly figured that out early on in that family. Unpopular opinion but I think he and Shiv are actually perfect for each other. If they could actually get on the same page in terms of love, sex, children, loyalty, goals etc, they would be a total power couple.
If my grandma had wheels she would be a bicycle.
Yeah, same way that I basically aced my exams if only I hadn't missed 40% of the questions.
Lmao such a ridiculous comment.
The acid tongue is just so precise.
Why is Succession not nominated for more awards is, beyond me.
Greg is biding his time; like a snake who’s been closely watching his prey, Greg strikes and the rest of the family is gaping in shock.
Tom will be shocked; he thinks he’s controlling Greg.
Amazing video title!
Loved this analysis. Now I’m going to be tinge succession equivalent to a Trekkie and tell you that at 5:40 you mention a your Logan said and it was actually in the austerlitz episode and not her wedding.
You’re absolutely right. Thank you for the correction!
I think a key difference in the Shiv/Tom and Tom/Greg dynamic is that Greg to me is someone who likes manipulating from the shadows. If he can get whatever he wants by using Tom without putting himself at risk, he will just keep doing that.
Tom displays the classic ego defense
mechanism of reaction formation.
Tom was right
subbed, great video!
Awesome! Welcome to the channel, very glad to have you!
I was shocked by the ending because I didn't notice all of Tom's machinations behind, but i rewarchwd the last two ep os season 3 and I was like "how didn't i see it coming?"
Matthew Macfadyen is just a great actor!
I knew Tom was in for the ride when Shiv told him about their "marital arrangement" and he was o.k. with it.
You guys seem to forget that Greg does not have the experience or the intellect to get far away. Tom will be the succession…..he has it all, smarts, experience and it is part of the family. Shiv becoming an outcast might even make her accept to get pregnant.
Tom did the right thing
better call saul and succession are two best shows on tv right now
exactly!!!
This
Piano in the background makes the video want you to sleep
Pretty much
You can't make a T'omlette without breaking a few Greggs...
Tom's an idiot. The horse to back would have been his own if he had anything worth backing. Tom is not a killer. He's a groveler. There is no such thing as earning Logan's respect. He doesn't respect people he uses them and discards them. He did it to his kids he will do it to Tom. The season finale showed the last of the sibs learning that the pat on the back doesn't mean shit. Only for Tom to show up minutes later to receive it after convincing himself that it meant everything. Finally the gift to Logan that he had been agonizing over since the very fist episode when he got him a watch that he basically threw in the trash: his kids' heads on platters, his legacy secured. And that's it for Tom.
Tom and Gregg both know that Gregg met with the writer. They both ate shit in a sense to keep that secret from Logan. So there's that bit if mutually assured destruction. But I think Tom is going to have to be more afraid of what Gregg will do. He's betrayed everyone who he once sided with as soon as he saw their ship sinking. In ways more craven than Tom. He has already betrayed Tom 5 times. Tom wants love and has again partnered with someone who has proved not to love him.
"vampiric elite" good one!!!
I feel like I’m in the minority here because after watching a lot of analysis videos about this, most RUclipsrs say they think Greg is going to betray Tom. I don’t think it’s going to happen. Throughout the show Tom and Greg’s relationship changes drastically from the beginning of the show to the season three finale. Yes he still bullies Greg but it’s clear that he sees him more as an equal by the end of it. I think Greg sees that difference in Tom as well and even if he planned on betraying him, I think their talk would have changed that. Also maybe it’s because season four is confirmed to be the last season and we probably won’t have time for a conclusion to a betrayal storyline. Or that in interviews the actors say that Tom and Greg get closer the more they go through together and how they always say how much the two characters love each other. Tom doesn’t just see Greg as the naive little cousin from season one, he trusts him and he confides in him and although others (mostly Kendall) have had glimpses of what Greg will do to rise to the top, Tom has seen that side more than anyone. In fact, rather than a betrayal, I’m convinced there will be a confession of love between the two (romance or bromance idc which way you see them but they have the strongest relationship in the show and I think it’s only going to get stronger)
Next is the Coup de Greg.
wow
FLY YOUR FUCKING WHIRLY BIRD
It would be quite funny if the Greg and Tom relationship switchs from Nero and Sporos to Julius Cesar and Mark Anthony and they become a power duo who take over the whole thing. xD
I think Tom and Matsson are working together to take over Logans company, Tom made the Power move in the last episode not to help Logan save the Company, but to sell the company. Tom also acted like he's not worried about reprecussions, from Shiv.
was there any evidence that greg was essential to tom's execution of the betrayal? I think, if not, the fact that he asked if he wanted to come with him is evidence that tom truly wants the best for greg and doesn't just want a lackey. Or at the every least he felt a duty to repay greg for all the risks he took for tom.
Also, did the kids really lose their stake at the company with the renegotiated divorce agreement? I think they still have it, just not the veto power over the sale?
Only show that has comparably excellent insults would be VEEP
Greg could have won by doing nothing. He stood to inherit 250 million dollars by not working for the Roys. He was disowned because he worked for Tom and Royco. Connor seemed delusional, but he was a lot less delusional than the other siblings. Connor knew he was going to lose the competition to succeed Logan as CEO, so he didn't play that game. His run for US president was a good analogy for the other siblings thinking they were going to be CEO.
Shiv really thought Tom was going to forget about all her slights and openly disrespecting him insisting on a open marriage and cheating throughout their marriage, backhanded compliments of " I love you but I don't love you ". She made the classic mistake of not fully knowing who she was dealing with...to not offend the wrong person. She really had no right to feel betrayed. She had it coming.
what an amazing actor. so funny that he and shiv are not american in real life
Literally gonna file a class action against this show for making me feel bad for rich white men this season. Roman kneeling at jerrie had my heart on the FLOOR.
Music credits? :)
In the description
First song is Bach, French Suite no 2 in C minor
Tom is the revenge of a simp
Pretty sure Logan is the good guy with how absolutely rancid his children are.
Offering to take the fall is directly opposed to being a killer.
Indeed. But not if you know that the fall guy is willing to also be a puppet in place and will allow you to pull his strings. Tom is a perfect straw man for Logan and may likley ascened to a position of pseudo power in Season 4. But the real powerbroker will continue to be Logan.
That's what I thought too. I thought that Tom would actually fall in Logan's esteem by offering himself
Killers no how to pick their battles.
I think Greg will be on top at the end
Game theory
What about a Logan prequel could be dynamic
Tom can be very abusive towards Greg, corporate hierarchy, and hierarchy in general encourages this kind of behavior, but Tom the country mouse does have some sweet moments with Greg, not telling about his “pre-meeting” with the Logan biographer, accepting Greg’s request to hang a crime ornament on one of his branches, they can commiserate to a degree over jail, Boar on the Floor, sharing the secret of cruises and the shredding, being black sheepish…
It is annoying to see Tom put down Greg, the brutalizing, hazing behavior is obnoxious and demeaning, but there is a kind of bond, Greg might be less enthusiastic and sentimental about it than Tom though, so its a coin flip imo.
I think Tom and Greg’s relationship is better than Tom and Shiv’s tho, even tho Shiv shows degrees of remorse and guilt at times, she has for the most part treated him very poorly. Meanwhile Tom, while verbally and physically berating Greg a number of times, does not seem to act out of guilt but out of love for Greg when he’s at his most virtuous. Shiv offers up Tom for the blood sacrifice but Tom doesn’t offer up Greg, maybe because he fears retaliation from Greg, “But you told me to shred the papers, i’ll rat on you, etc.” Then again Greg is offered up as a sprinkles with Tom, so maybe it wouldn’t make sense for Tom to say “No, only offer up Greg”-idk there’s a lot of politics and game theory. Greg has also acted behind Tom’s back in the past, in S1 he helps Gerri over Tom, leading to Tom thinking that either Greg or Shiv squealed, I forget over exactly what. Greg also took some of the papers him and Tom were burning without Tom knowing. Will Greg betray Tom just as Shiv did? Tom emotionally invested in Shiv and Greg, and Shiv wronged him again and again despite him giving her the benefit of the doubt over and over, and while Tom holds a position more like Shiv’s in his relationship with Greg, Tom is still the more emotionally invested side, it is just expressed differently due to the power discrepancy, so Tom might end up being similarly betrayed emotionally, and politically in the way in which he betrayed Shiv.
But it wasn't a coup though? The power was with Logan, he backed Logan against an attempted coup.
I meant Coup in the sense of Tom building up his stock from almost going to prison to securing his spot by helping Logan and betraying Shiv.
Exactly! 😎
Season 1 episode 1 baseball game, Roman wrote the check but it was Tom who tagged the kid out at third base…ouch.
I think Greg will betray Tom by the end
Like Littlefinger in GOT. But more likable😂
Tom's motivation is actually sad, he is not really doing this for power, it's not like he wants to be CEO, he just wants someone that takes care of him, that has his interests in mind, someone that he can be loyal to and the person would be loyal to him right back, and he sees that in Greg and now he's trying to build that with Logan, because Shiv only puts Tom at risk, she uses him as her bulletproof vest while she also let others use him as well, and the worst is that he does that, wholeheartedly, but nothing good comes out of it to him, because she just takes and takes and takes, and gives nothing to him in return.
Imagine almost going to jail to help someone and what you gain in return is the person saying they don't really love you lol
Spoilers S4 after E3
Wow so Roman won Logan’s prize for succession by firing Geri because of them hooking up. Then Roman left voicemail saying he regretted doing it same time his father died after the plane.
In reality no one won Logan’s game but Logan probably died thinking Roman was going to be his successor. Probably helped him die a bit in peace or he heard the voicemail and was the final trigger lmao
The only child you didn't cover is Shiv. Why no?
Great voice. Great commentary. Annoying music.
Thank you for the honest feedback, Maureen!
I would just like to see a little more dialect, the season got very old struggling to put two words together and then repeating those same two words, everyone but the father seemingly. If that was supposed to be the way eccentric people behave very poor job this season.
It's Not over, one of the most popular shows on TV.
@Preston Lambert - That was one of the beautiful things about this season. Very little fan service. They let the actors behave within their character arcs and left some critical dialogue to be inferred rather than stated. As it is in real life...But to your point, I was shocked that zero lines were committed to Tom's betrayal. I was also blown away at how brave and effective that decision was by the showrunner.
Uh huh
@@streetseenllc5303 it just became a little monotonous for me.
Believe me I'm waiting for the next season.
you're not use to those creative insults because you dont watch british tv
Your analysis of why Logan passed on Shiv is not because she defended Tom on the boat, he passes on her far earlier in the season around the time Rhea enters the picture. Not because Shiv wasn't making the company a priority, but because she was overconfident in her abilities to run the business without any real experience. While Shiv is a whiz at PR strategy she sucks in business dealings and has poor people skills.
You feel kind of bad for Kendall but Shiv and Roman 1000% get what they deserve
team shiv
Now Tom will be free to date someone who's actually hot
Harsh.
What's harsh is expecting the viewer to buy into Shiv being "OMG so hawt" every episode. I've completely lost the ability to suspend disbelief because they burned out my suspension of disbelief muscle lol
@@JG-mt3rp Shiv (Sarah Snook) IS hawt. It's not about suspension of disbelief.
@@Shah_creates It's not that she's an ugly person by any stretch. The issue is that the show sets her up to be some sort of model type but the reality is she's a normal middle aged lady with cankles and saggy armpits.
@@JG-mt3rp Don't project your issues on to the rest of us
The title spoiled this moment 3 episodes before I saw it🥲
Oh no! That sucks, it was such a great moment. Whenever I want to look up YT videos for a series I don't want spoiled, I watch in incognito mode so no spoilers pop up on my recommended.