Vintage vs Reissue: Strat Shootout
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That 50’s just has an insane bright and delightful tone. I mean. Its just impressive. Clarity. Omg. It is what every strat should sound like
Those vintage guitars, sound unbelievable. I come from a background of listening to metal most of my life but these guitars....are just...perfect. Those tones are nuts and makes many guitars today sound so plain and pedestrian.
They are. Also, the Jim Root fenders with EMG are Heavy-metal monsters! Fenders can do it all. And won’t break in half if you accidentally drop it.
I’ve watched this videos three times. I’m sure I’ll watch it again. Wonderful video! One of the standouts of this video was that Matchless Lightning. Beautiful tones with those Strats!
You basically can think of reissue as the same kind of guitar minus the age. For the reissues they use the same technology, same process, some materials, and even the same tools and machines. So in theory the original should sound exactly the same back in the 60s. I def dig vintage gear, but not ready to pay $$. I'd pick a reissue for a fraction of the price any day
you hit the nail on the head and judging by your username i am not surprised.
Used to love Neville's blues column in Guitarist mag, spent many hours jamming along back in the day
The original off white Strat bouquets beautifully. Your team does the best presentations and is informative as well.
I love that banana white ‘62 Strat with the mint/gray guard. Beautiful.
Great great video, love those vintage vs new comparisons
When I saw George wearing the PRS cap I thought he was going to throw in Silver Sky to see if he could fool them. Really enjoyed this comparison approach. Please do more.
Great show guys - love the 59 and the 62’s - beautiful sounding.
In my opinion the best and most accurate vintage reissues Fender has done was the revamped American Vintage series 2012-2017. They went back to orange tint on the necks and thicker lacquer for the current American Vintage ii series.
but 9.5 radius?
@@thewatersbrothersthat was the American original in 2018-21. The AV I and II series now have the correct 7.5 inch radius
What a lineup of dudes! You got Robert De Niro hammering away at the various Strat models while Jerry Garcia and Michael Stipe just talk shop... lol
Loved this. Thanks for doing it.
Nice to hear clean tones and no distortion 🎸♩♩♩
to be fair, you should play them on the same amp... guitars sound really different depending on the amp and speakers.
100%
honestly the biggest differences are from greatest, to smallest:
1. Amp and Speakers
2. Pickup type (single coil/humbucker)
3. Pickup circuit components (potemtiometer values, capacators, and how it's wired)
4. Pickup strength
Thank you for the video and the love of guitars. Some people just don’t realize there is a difference between vintage and new, once they get their hands on a vintage guitar and hear it, then the revelation will be revealed to them.
This is great. Long time questions answered. Thank you.
Nice comparison. There’s definitely a difference. The vintage and blue reissue are my favorites!
Nice video. However, I’m not drooling over the “vintage” guitar. I’ll go with a good reissue any day. I’ve had the opportunity to buy guitars back when they weren’t considered “vintage”. They didn’t cost that much back then. Also, remember. A guitar is only really worth what someone will actually pay you for it. No matter what someone says it’s worth. Prices go up and down. This is a relatively young market. 1971 was the first time I went to Nashville and saw a Vintage Guitar ship. Strat’s were priced very affordably then. Again, this is a relativity young market. Just my opinion. Thanks
Agreed. Some vintage guitars aged badly. Some reissues are made super well. All depends on luck of the years passing honestly.
A well made vintage guitar from way back might have been stored poorly or used too forcefully and the wood warped or got damaged some how and a repair was done but repairs on damaged wood never fully fix what went wrong... Maybe the pick ups suffered a corrosion and now they make a sort of farty/buzzy noise from time to time.
A reissue or custom shop or even a warmoth made guitar or american standard can often top the feel and sound of a vintage instrument.
At the end of the day... Some old ass guitars rock... Some new ass guitars rock. Just depends on your luck lol.
It's all about investment. Imagine buying a bunch of vintage guitars back in 80s, storing them and now selling them on. Retirement secured.
That Placid Blue is the most beautiful Strat I've ever seen.
No
What a great video! You two made them sound really nice. I would take any of those guitars and be happy
Awesome. Loved this
Great video! Vintage generally have a "deeper" and a more rounded, pleasing tone. Not "in your face", metallic sound like the new ones. But next time - please compare one pickup-position side by side, and then go to the next one. Then the differences would be even more audible.
Great work - wonder if the originals will continue to age or if they reach an optimum ? May be worth comparing originals with modern equivalents with roasted woods ? Really enjoyed this - thanks....
I’m so glad you guys talked about that back of the headstock issue
Back in the day Tadeo Gómez is the one who would take his time to smooth that out.
I wish fender would really take the time to get that right even on reissues
I’ve notice they have been doing it on a few lately but that should be a standard on all guitar necks.
My 1989 MIJ strat has the Most smoothest tapered headstock! Almost exactly as they did it on 54 strats.
It’s just a small detail that would make a huge difference in feel.
The issue is that the sort of TG transition is just too much work for a modern Fender. These days they want to do as little sanding as possible once the neck comes off a CNC machine.
I also have an early 90s Japanese squier. An amazing guitar with exactly that sort soft taper. Much better than my first run Mexican Tele with a big chunky headstock.
Vintage strats have those too btw. my 64' L series does. just different builders did it a certain way
Trevor S well yeah that’s what I was referring too
Vintage strats and some of the 80s MIJ stuff has it.
This would be a great video series original gear compared to the reissues - guitars/amps/and pedals would be great. I could watch videos like this all day. Fantastic guitars and some very tasty playing.
Neville has a great touch brilliant sound lovely tone
I agree Neville has a stronger touch and a more robust sound .Very interesting.
Both sound great. Guitars are beautiful.
I've had a few. The two that stayed around, a Journeyman NOS and a Don Grosh Retro Classic. The Grosh gets that classic Strat sound I love. I think they're his Fat 60's pickups.
Great video. Since 1983 I've owned a Squier JV 62 series Strat the three tone sunburst one. One of the first attempts at recreating the classic era guitars. I've nodded it with American Standard electrics and locking tuners it's a players guitar after all. Funny now it is "vintage" itself and older now than the model it was based on! It has the 7.25" radius etc. I love and never plan to sell it
Really changes perception on “vintage” haha
@@jazzblasterrr so in 83 I was buying a 62 replica so arguably that was already vintage. Let's say 25 years, so something made in 93 is now vintage? Well the 80s would probably qualify like my JV which are quiet sought after with mint condition ones attracting up to £1000
Best Strat video ever!
The tone from my 1999 vintage 62 model was verry close to my (then) 1960 pre-cbs strat. They were in the same neighbour hood, för sure.
But some years later, i swaped the 57/62 pickups for a set of Texas specials, and never looked back! Kinda.
Never considered myself to be too much of a corksniffer when it comes to vintage tone or my perception of it, though I do own own a CS '60 relic, but wow those original strats sound so much better/sweeter to me in this comparison test. Really interesting watch, having already read the mag article!! Be interested to hear Dan and Mick's comments.
Do it blind and all sweetness and mojo will evaporate. Too many people listen to vintage gear with their eyes.
The cs reissues have much more bass...I have one and its a bit bassy
Great video really enjoyed it more please
I've got a '62 Vintage Reissue Stratocaster sunburst built in 1982 (first year Fender did Reissues) and it is one of the best playing and sounding Strats I've ever come across. Of course it's actually a vintage guitar in it's own right now being 37 years old.
Patrick Foster Mine's a '57 in black from 1983. Those scant first three years of the reissue line made in the Fullerton factory have, indeed, become vintage and collectible in their own right. I'm sure yours, like mine, has the deep, soft body contours that clearly seem to have had a lot of handwork involved. Very cool. I have come to dislike a bit the smallish neck, which seems to be the main knock against the earliest reissues, but oh well....it's all I had access to back then!
@@anthonyc1883 Yeah, that series was built in their first custom shop before it was called the "Custom Shop" and they are some truly great axes.
@@patrickfoster4586 I definitely regret selling my '52 Tele reissue (officially known as "Vintage Telecaster" back then) from early-early 1982...but I still have the Strat from '83 and a 1957 P-Bass reissue from 12/82.
@@anthonyc1883 Yeah I remember those '52 Teles, very nice. Sounds like you've done well making up for that loss though!
Patrick Foster I have an 88 bought new in 89. It came straight from the factory since I requested a different color and rosewood fretboard. The store didn’t have it. The poly coating looks brand new. And it’s considered vintage i think? (at this point). It’s an American standard yet I don’t think I’d get much for it yet. I no longer use it. I don’t like to keep things I don’t use but I’m not giving it away for cheap either. It absolutely mint.fyi bought it at the same store Seymour Duncan got his start when he was a young guy. He would practice winding pick ups on an old record player. Read it in Guitar Player Magazine. Hoping that may make it more valuable 😉. Had no idea he came from the area I grew up in.
Whichever guitar these guys play, it sounds great.
The 1959 Strat has that disarming tone that just makes you want to listen and keep listening. Obviously the playing styles differ and this affects one's "take" on each guitar. The fact that they are using not exactly the same amp is important but since they swap the guitars and cover essentially the same musical ground it's a pretty fair comparison in my view.
Intelligent , interesting and very watchable !
give me Neville's old blue Strat...wow... awesome guitar...
The tones you lads are getting are nothing shy of DELICIOUS!
...and all these Strats are really total pin ups. I almost expect to see a
spot near the middle where the staple left it's two holes...
Thanx and cheers from L.A. California
Wow, that original 50s is just glorious.
The CS is sharp sounding compared to the original.
It's amazing a 60 year old instrument still captivates in the modern day. Considering this was the Beaver Cleaver era of America, the design and excitement they have was truly groundbreaking. The shape, the sound, I can see why,Knopfler, Gilmour, and the gang went nuts for them.
I don’t see how anyone could not find those vintage digs have a more full sound.
It’s called pickups and wood... relived guitars are for losers who don’t play... you should see my real worn guitars...that’s real relic, it’s just fender cashing in to people who don’t play
Great video, thank you for this! In my experience, as mentioned in the video there is definitely a very slight extra bulkiness in all Custom Shop Strats in comparison with the best vintage Strats. I find this really annoying and do not understand why the Custom Shop cannot fix this. I have a first run Road Worn Strat that is actually much closer in terms of slightly thinner headstock and overall less bulky feel.
Sort it out Fender!!!!
I was lucky to compare my American Vintage '62 Reissue (from 1999, all stock) with a well worn 1963 all original Strat through the same rig. I definitely thought the Original was slightly better with more directness and center to the notes. However, for the price difference it was not that much better and if I got boutique pickups who knows?
Lol! The power of suggestion is a real thing! You have a great guitar,, c'mon bruv! Cheers!!! My 1994 57' RI sounds just as good or better. I'd say better bc it has age on it now. You can't pay for age unless you have 15k to spend on a Git... not worth it bruv. You gotta great piece,, don't let this discourage you!! Have fun!
Professor Xavier can sure play some tasty lines
Loved this video, best Guitarist video that you've posted IMHO. The original white 62 sounded fantastic, but then they all sounded fantastic really. My only gripe was in the blind testing. You can obviously hear if the Strat has a 5 or 3 way switch. Don't even deny it! ;-)
Do one on Telecasters please!
Magnets weaken with age. Impossible to compare a new guitar with a sixty year old guitar and have any idea what the vintage guitar might have originally sounded like. Same for amplifiers. Another thing, I like relic'd guitars as much as I was a fan of people who used to buy cans of "Spray on Mud" to apply to their high-end SUV's to make it appear they'd been out "mudding".
It's not hard to imagine that unscrupulous people will try to pass off relic'd guitars as original to inexperienced buyers in the future.
Still, nice to watch the video, you guys play so well.
Rick McCargar the difference is barely measurable on any instruments. But they are different because the were made differently and the compunds were not as refined as they are now.
@@cawfeedawg
"AlNiCo magnets can be easily degaussed, and the way many pickup designs are made allows the AlNiCo to degauss from 20 to 30%. "
"P-90’s had a coil former (bobbin) made of a plastic material that can degrade over time. In these cases the bobbin will eventually disintegrate, leaving less substantial material to support the coil. This allows the coil to shift or slump, which affects the sound quality. Gibson also made pickups out of a tortoiseshell plastic. This material can also degrade and fall apart.
Fender pickups that were not wax potted can eventually come apart. In fact, many vintage pickups were not potted with wax or shellac.
This guitar pickup coil was not protected with wax or shellac. This exposed the coil to damage if bumped or dropped.
If a pickup is not potted with wax or protected with shellac, the pickup coil is more vulnerable to damage or movement of the thin copper coil wire. If the pickup gets bumped or dropped, the coil can shift and collapse making it much looser and more microphonic. This is very common and is one of the reasons why we pot just about everything we make, even if it’s only for 10 seconds."
www.lollarguitars.com/blog/2010/03/guitar-pickup-lifespan/
There are many articles by pickup pros discussing the many ways in which pickups can degrade with time.
I pointed out magnets as one reason they degrade with the assumption it would trigger in everyone's mind the fact that old pickups cannot be presumed to sound like they once did, for obvious reasons.
Not sure but I do not believe in de-gaussed pickups ( nor in overwinding). Probably, vintage tone secrets are strongly related to: magnets specs, magnet raw materials, charge of magnets.
Not true: I become more of a fanny-magnet as I get older.
@@intanto1 you don't believe in "de-gaussed pickups"? What does that mean? You don't believe in physics? Degaussing is the process of decreasing or eliminating a remnant magnetic field. It's something that happens to a degree every time you lean your guitar up against a speaker cabinet. If you lean it sufficiently close, it can be up to 30%.
Can't afford any of them, but thanks for the demo!
I have the FSR Avri ‘62 (tropical turqoise) with 57/62 pups that sounds really impressive! To me, it seems the same as a Custom Shop. I really would love to have a vintage ‘62, but not for the price they get today. My FSR is juuust perfect!
The 60's re-issue with the ugly green pick guard sounded glorious to me - very Knopfler-esque in the bridge/middle position. I'd buy that one!
I have Fender CS Post modern (2016 model) in daphne blue with rosewood compound radius fretboard and Ancho Poblano PUs. I did change the saddles to Highwoods for even greater playability. The whole guitar went through CRYO tuning and results are phenomenal sound&feel wise. Maybe in the future will change the frets to bigger&harder EVO or SS Jescar 57110 (stock are Sanko 6105). I think Fender CS nowadays makes the best quality guitars since pre-CBS era.
Guitarist thanks for great episode!
Cheers from Slovenia.
Question: How much time did you guys spend matching the setups of these guitars? Things like pickup height, action, neck straightness and the tension on the tremolo springs (just to name a few) are all going to have a noticeable effect on the overall tone of a guitar. Could it be that many of the differences we are hearing are simply stemming from differences in these adjustments? I know the purpose of this video is probably not to do a scientific comparison, but to those picking favorites just remember it can be misleading to compare guitars unless the setup is mimicked as closely as possible.
metart93 they were all set up to the personal preference of the guy who owns them. He has a few nice vintage Strats and is a tech himself, so they were all set up pretty consistently to his personal benchmarks give or take a little for the quirks of individual guitars. He also set up the CS stuff similarly. Not scientific exactly but not all over the place either.
I suspect the vintage Strat's rosewood neck is darker from over 50 years of oiling it with linseed oil. The vintage guitar definitely sounds much better.
not just that, but tannins in the rosewood also have a much longer time to oxidize and create a darker surface too.
Got a bit nervous when the '59 Stratocaster cord was tangled around his stool. As for Custom Shop vs Vintage, the CS Strats are remarkable instruments, yet those lucky enough to own the real deal own part of Fender musical history. A lot of value is simply attributable to the success of Leo Fenders inventions.
I gave a thumbs up just for the opening jam.
Hi Neville you bought my 2002 Strat sunburst 60 nos from Rolly how you finding it mate.
The first Strat Jamie is playing - is that dear old Jeff Pumfrett's original '59? If so, I've played it too and its magical. Jeff ordered a few replicas from the CS he referred to as 'Jeff-o-Casters' - they were great too.
It is indeed - a lovely guitar it is too
Thanks for the reply! I have a fond memory about that - I took my teenage son to WG, was chatting with Jeff who broke off quickly to answer his phone and I pointed to this locked display cabinet and said ‘look, there’s Jeff’s ‘59. ‘ Without any hesitation, Jeff returned to our chat, but reached into his pocket and promptly unlocked the cabinet and handed the guitar to my lad, who could scarcely believe what he now held in his hands, uttering ‘I promise not to scratch it’ at which point Jeff ‘oi, young fella, you make sure you do scratch it....’ Jeff plugged him into a Hand-Wired Marshall with the instruction to play as long as he liked. He did and of course didn’t scratch it, kit gloves, more like. A small act of kindness by such a kind man who added further fuel to a young guitarists love of our instrument. That teenager is now 23, a final year student at LIPA, where he should pick up a BA in music later this year. His playing, good then, has progressed to scary, now, but we still have the video I made on the day and watch it often. He’ll never forget Jeff - any more than I will.
monstermax22 that’s a great story, really nice to a hear and a fitting testimony to Jeff’s generous spirit. Thanks for sharing.
Lovely story of a lovely man.
Jeff got me into playing and I became a regular back in the MH Hitchin days .... I now 28 years later find this Video where Jeffs influencing me again, lovely 59 !!
I went to world guitars looking for a guitar I saw online and nearly fell over when I was greeted by him lol spent the whole day there ... prob my best experience buying a guitar ever ...
Anyway now to shop for an original 63/4. Cheers Jeff
@@jwiseman8334 Yep, not many like Jeff around, God Bless him.
Was this filmed at World Guitars in Stonehouse Gloucestershire?
THATS WHAT THE MAN SAID
Got a 62 strat reissue mij for $450 and the headstock blends with the neck just like the vintage strat.
Not often one finds two guitarists who know their gear, but more importantly, closely compare their guitars with similar amps. Intelligence as well as visceral understanding=feel.
I'm sure the differences in fret size have a lot to do with the sound, I find the smaller frets tend to sound sweeter because there's less metal coloring the note.
Interesting observation
@kevin paul halliday literally everything makes a difference, whether you choose to obsess over the minutiae is up to you. Paul Reed Smith has made a career on doing just that.
I have a feeling this is must be correct.
Better intonation across the neck with smaller frets.
No, it‘s actually the hand lotion the factory workers would use that seeped into the wood they were working on. That and if course the screws holding down the pick guard.
That 63' lake placid is perfect.
The woodiness of that 62 is in part due to the .1 uf tone cap rolling off some of the top end
That transition was called the Thadio Taper on the headstock
I'd take the '59 and the white Custom shop home.
When did the wine industry infiltrate the guitar one? Soon enough they'll be talking about the neck guck tasting of earth tones like the original.
Yeah hahaha. I do love them old guitars. It`s all very interesting to watch. But I f*ck*ng hate how it`s all become a thing for cork sniffers now. Like the video from some rich guy who collects vintage guitars that said something like, my journey to owning an original burst, or something. It`s so pretentious I had to swallow my own puke to not mess up the carpet.
I have a 2003 CS 56....so is it approaching vintage status being 16 years old?
I think I actually prefer the tone of the reissues :x
It actually sounds better for recording in my opinion...
People always say the vintage ones sound better even when they don’t. Not saying that the vintage guitars aren’t better on average, but they’re not always better. Reissues are killer guitars.
@@lllULTIMATEMASTERlll agreed, for me the vintage tone just doesn't seem like it will sit in "correctly" in the mix of contemporary recording. But um judging with trial..
Reissue sounds more like a Tele, I love Tele's but not when im playing a strat
Yes!!! All you people commenting here know “what time it is”. Speaking of the truth about vintage versus reissue. I’ve had Strat’s from the 50’s and 60’s. They weren’t that costly when I bought mine. Now, I buy reissues. I’ve found that the reissues made in Japan are the best. Just my opinion. However, I’ve had quite a lot of vintage guitars. Back when guitars weren’t considered “vintage”. Guitar players could afford a good, original guitar. Those days are gone. Now, you have to be a trust fund kid, or a huge star to buy one. I find this sad. But, it’s a reality. I don’t really care about how old a guitar is. All that’s important is the playability. I’d never pay the price they want for these guitars today. Let them be museum pieces. That’s kinda sad but that’s how I feel.
Why is the rounding of the fingerboard edges always called "rolling"? Is that not just done with a file?
I liked the video, but the amps were far two different for a useful comparison. Two guitars, one all next time. The hairy guy's amp was nice and full. That influenced the tone of the originals (and flipped the tone impression on the last set).
19:10
Watch how they swap. There is no cable unplug.
Should have gotten a teambuilt 59 to compare on the first one, it would have been exactly right with the right pickups, comparing these 2 isn't really a fair test. You should also be comparing 7 1/4 vs 7 1/4 etc. Don't get me wrong I liked the video, but these aren't proper comparisons.
my JHS "Vintage V6 Icon" is remarkably accurate in it`s mint gaurd & faux wear, sounds bloody great to me, & didn`t cost a fraction of these!
It is a bit hard to recognize which is vintage. When both of you played, the position of pickup was different. But all are great.
I just picked up a Mexican 60 Strat and I notice it looks like the inlays are just painted on. Also looks that way in most videos I have watched. Is that the case with the original 60 Strats ... are they just painted on?
I just don't get why older wood, older electronics and older pickups are supposed to sound better... Let's say you use a Kemper, Axe FX or BiasFx... Would the tone difference be at least slightly noticeable?
Wow, had me fooled with the intro, that neck pickup sure sounded like an old one to me!
Fender CS does great but my one beef is that they don't do the neck checking right or at all sometimes I had a late 50's maple neck strat and the checking was just all over that neck My 4K CS has not one wit of crazing on that neck
Not even the same galaxy...and they both know it.
Agreed. The 59 is light years better!
LIGHT YEARS !!
hind side ,, I've owned 3 pre CBS strats , two were stamped Oct 62 one was Sept 62 , not one of them felt or sounded the same they were actually miles apart in every way including body shape , more hands on approach in the shop of that period ,, you got to figure every guitar was a custom guitar during those early years all hand built ,, that being said you probably have a way better chance today to get two guitars that play and sound the same compared to a real vintage instrument , listening to this i hear a big difference in tone between all the guitars ,, all equally good in there own right but a difference for sure ,, if you grabbed any of them alone and just played you'd be stoked ,, what i do no for sure is my early vintage guitars resonate way more then my newer high end guitars unplugged but all that can be rectified with the newer and better electronics / Pups / amps ,, i guess were back to that Tone wood theory again LOL ,, some lovely guitars for sure i enjoyed hearing them ,,
glad to hear someone complain about the neck with the ridge on the back of headstock...bothers me too...i fix squires and take care of that
I was hoping the custom shop would be close in sound and clarity. Unfortunately it’s not even close. The 59 sounds amazing. The custom shop sounds like any old American Strat you can pick up off the rack. Again, was really hoping - but it’s not even close.
Edit: The original 62 is also incredible.
the interesting thing about this video is the difference between the necks. Fender offered 4 neck options in the 60's ( A B C D stamped on the neck heel ) in increasing sizes. B being the standard. I have tried a 61 Jazzmaster with an A neck ( really nice) My L serie early 65 Jazzmaster has the more usual B neck. One of my friend has a Jaguar with a D neck which must be pretty rare.
I don't really understand why Fender is offering a 9.5 radius as standard on these custom shop guitars. I think it should be an option. The feel of a 7.25 radius is quintessential fender.... Ah yes and the frets... similarly it should be vintage frets as standard.
Teles and les Paul’s next :)
One Dude plays with a pick the other his fingers...What ever...plank of wood that has Fender on it...I appreciate seeing a few comparisons but no idea what they sound like in comparison until you both go pick or fingers..better yet each pick up position compared one at a time. Do the tighten up.
Excellent playing & very informative review. Cheers
That guy playing at the blindfold test was a dead ringer for Robert DeNiro.
NOT EVEN CLOSE
"...oxygen getting inside the pickups..." that's a new one.
As a guy who plays just to backup my singing .. I am learning about the Strat ... this is fun but I do hear the sweetness of the $40K guitar ... but in my hands it would not matter to my sound ... not Joe Bonnamassa ,,,,
Sweet
what amps are they using an settings etc..........
Jerry Garcia sounds especially good here on his strat.
Fender,take note.To get the vintage colour especially in white to the vintage cream. Wash guitar in cigarette smoke for at least 6 months=vintage cream. Re licking done.
There's a difference, and the difference is constant throughout every comparison. My non-technical take: the vintage fills more space with an airier, woodier, and balanced sound while the reissue punches stronger with crisper high ends and attacks. The former can be held in higher regard in terms of standalone play, but when in a band (the majority of cases for most), the airiness gets covered up by other instruments anyway. This is where I believe reissues have the edge. The real question is, do reissues become closer to vintage over time, or are the differences due to construction alone.
Very Nic
Problem or difference is, Fender doesn't put vintage spec pickups in the reissues. They stick "CS Fat..." pickups in the Custom Shop stuff and generic plastic bobbined crap in the cheaper ones.
They sound good, but not the same. Truth is, if they made them sound like they used to, people would say they sound crap, because like Gibsons, most people expect them to sound like what they were making in the 80s.
just a guess but our Nev don't like the big old lump on the back of the neck :)
Yeah I picked up on that too...keep your hair on, Nev!
I liked the white one, too ...
The real winner here is that amp,