The Western (Part 4): Modernity

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  • Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024

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  • @TheTennessyean
    @TheTennessyean 3 года назад +13

    The only thing I disagree with, is how many views this series has. A masterpiece in and of itself. Fantastic work.

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  3 года назад +3

      Thanks so much! I'm glad you enjoyed my little passion project!

  • @cheytheratking266
    @cheytheratking266 Месяц назад

    I'm not a huge Western genre fan, but this was a series I was asked to watch for my film class, and I thoroughly enjoyed it! Amazing work!

  • @dolphinpower1107
    @dolphinpower1107 3 года назад +5

    These were really helpful I've been experimenting with a Western story, I found your videos I didn't expect thus many views because of how great the quality was.

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  3 года назад

      Thanks so much! I'm glad they were helpful!

  • @SKaR64
    @SKaR64 3 года назад +5

    This is an interesting analysis, but it does get sidetracked for a few minutes by the 911 tragedy. I would fast forward 4:45 when it starts. It also omits several classic westerns of the 1980s like Lonesome Dove, Silverado, Pale Rider, Young Guns, The Gray Fox, The Long Riders that western fans still cherish 30 + years later.

    • @stephenkeen5737
      @stephenkeen5737 2 года назад +3

      I agree with the overlong bit of 911, could have been done in 20-30sec. I'm not really sure any of those 80s ones really standout as doing something different. I might as well list a bunch of good ones from the 50s. You'll see that his video has focused on films that have done something different and stand out and reinterpreted the Genre.

  • @denmarkball7728
    @denmarkball7728 6 месяцев назад +2

    The amount of projection is insane

  • @garynuman88
    @garynuman88 3 года назад +4

    Astounding, I was always a fan of the genre and you‘ve really put it together for me. Almost like the analysis of the western is the story itself, like all hours of movies I’ve watched fused into into one big one.
    Put together brilliantly too. Thanks. Keep it up!

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  3 года назад +1

      Thanks for your positive comments! This was a passion project of mine, and I'm glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Victor-Vargas
    @Victor-Vargas 3 года назад +2

    The funny part is you do a better analysis of the film's you mention than most of the other ones on RUclips

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  3 года назад +3

      Thanks so much! I think that with this video more than any other one in the series, I noticed a complete lack of discussion or analysis of these films on youtube other than "these are so great! Coen brothers are great directors! I drink your milkshake!" That's one of the many reasons I thought this one was so important, and I'm really glad you noticed!

  • @stephenkeen5737
    @stephenkeen5737 2 года назад +1

    Fantastic series examining the Westerns. Thanks so much

  • @ziracornelius83
    @ziracornelius83 3 года назад +7

    Kinda bummed Tombstone wasn't mentioned.

  • @robinapplegate8138
    @robinapplegate8138 4 года назад +7

    Thank you for this series, it's really well-made and informative! I'm watching it as research for a wild west DnD campaign I'm about to run. :)

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  4 года назад +1

      I'm glad you liked it! This was a bit of a passion project of mine, and I'm so glad that it's helping other people connect to the genre!

  • @bluestripetiger
    @bluestripetiger 2 года назад +2

    I would add 2015's The Revenant as a significant movie in this section. What makes The Western unique is that it is a society's attempt to understand itself. It is America's own version of mythmaking and telling stories about itself around the campfire. The genre keeps changing because our own understanding of who we are keeps changing. I would love to see a modern day remake of cult western Navajo Joe.

  • @mkshffr4936
    @mkshffr4936 Год назад +1

    It is truly sad what they have done to our westerns.

  • @SirBlackReeds
    @SirBlackReeds 3 года назад +4

    Actually, United Artists did survive Heaven's Gate. Currently, they're a digital production company. I'm surprised the Stallone and Schwarzenegger vehicles weren't mentioned. Those two, among others, dominated the '80s. Initially, we did support the war altogether, but soon we grew weary and protested harder than Vietnam. If Wikipedia's anything to go by, the neo-Western has its roots in the '50s. Chirgurh also looks like he came from the '70s with that haircut. Lewellyn is a decoy; the real hero is Sheriff Bell.
    I'm surprised the '90s were glossed over. There were a number of Westerns in that decade, especially Weird Westerns. In fact, Wild Wild West should have been mentioned. Maybe no one's crediting it with tanking the genre, but it definitely did damage, especially to Steampunk.
    It's a shame that even to this day, many think that the Western is dead. While it's far from its heyday, it's far from dead. Still, there were a number of factors that lead to the Western falling out of favor. Personally, I believe that the most important two are: a lack of directors and actors specializing in the genre, and a lack of experimentation. The truth is that the Western is a very malleable genre and even other countries have managed to make their distinctive mark: Charro Westerns (Mexico), Euro-Western, Ramen Western (Southeast Asia), fasolada Western (Greece), Meat Pie Western (Australia), and more.
    Come to think of it, these days it seems the only genre that has directors that specialize in it is comedy.

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  3 года назад +2

      I wanted to respond to a few things in your comment, because you made some interesting points.
      Firstly, while United Artists did survive as a company after 1980, it was mostly through name alone. Heavens Gate lost United Artists millions of dollars, causing their head to resign and their parent company at the time, Transamerica, to pull out of film production and sell the company. This moment is largely regarded by film historians as the death of United Artists as it was originally seen, a film production company run by and for filmmakers.
      Second, I think I mentioned my choice to leave out the 90's in another comment. Ultimately, I felt that it would have lengthened the series by another episode, which was something I didn't feel right doing seeing as many of the westerns in the 90's didn't push boundaries that hadn't already been pushed. Sure, there's movies like Wild Wild West, but blockbuster flops had already been a major aspect of the western's history. Additionally, there's stranger indie films like Dead Man, which I could have covered in a broader context, but felt that it wouldn't add too much to the story I wanted to tell in this series.
      Finally, I think your point about specialized directors is an interesting one. It does seem like many of the great westerns were made by people who solely made western films, from John Ford to Sergio Leone. And it's true, we don't really have directors that specialize in genre that much anymore outside of horror and comedy. However, the greatest westerns of the past 20 years were made entirely by filmmakers who are not known for westerns, but have love of the genre as a whole. I think this might be the reason we aren't seeing too many westerns anymore: there aren't enough people who love them for Hollywood to justify the large expense and financial risk in producing one. Directors aren't passionate enough to make them, audiences never turn out to see them, and critics don't have enough interesting things to say about them. True, foreign filmmakers have adopted many aspects of the genre and brought it new life in interesting ways, but we haven't seen a truly great American western in quite a few years.
      Who knows, it seems like Covid-19 has once again forced America to re-evaluate itself, and in times like these it seems like westerns get revitalized. Maybe, when all of the dust settles, we will see a few more westerns coming out...

    • @adventureswitheileen
      @adventureswitheileen 2 года назад

      Any recommendations for weird westerns from the 90s? I'm trying to learn more about the genre!

  • @lleon965
    @lleon965 Месяц назад

    Wow Patrick… that was beautiful

  • @akhilthomas7020
    @akhilthomas7020 Год назад

    Fantastic series, any good suggestions to get an understanding of the body horror genre and its cultural implications.

  • @micahestlin1524
    @micahestlin1524 4 года назад +6

    Well done series of videos man! Really informative and will help me dive into the western genre now that I have more context on the films themselves. If someone were to want to watch say 10-15 westerns that go from classical to modern, which ones would you suggest?

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  4 года назад +5

      Start with classics like Stagecoach, The Searchers, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, High Noon, or even Johnny Guitar. Then move on to The Wild Bunch, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, For a Few Dollars More, McCabe and Mrs. Miller, or Blazing Saddles. For something more modern, try Unforgiven, Bone Tomahawk, No Country for Old Men, or There Will Be Blood.
      Hope that helped and thanks for the support!

    • @stephenkeen5737
      @stephenkeen5737 2 года назад

      @@TheCUCineFile yep that's a good list. I've watched about 50 westerns in the part year including those. They are definitely the ones that stand out.

  • @hollingsworth_hound
    @hollingsworth_hound 4 месяца назад +1

    Tthere were several very commercially and critically successful westerns in the 80s: The Long Riders (critical hit, box-office meh), Pale Rider (a critical and commercial mega-hit), The Three Amigos (ditto), and Young Guns (ditto).

    • @TOFKAS01
      @TOFKAS01 Месяц назад +1

      Yes, but it was just a little leftover, compared to the decades before.

  • @kinjapan1801
    @kinjapan1801 2 года назад +2

    Love this series you've put together! I kind of wish you had done this last one a little later so that you could have included The Harder They Fall and The Power of the Dog. Having something about The Lone Ranger vs his reported inspiration Bass Greeves finally getting his due as the genre becomes more inclusive.

  • @maisam50
    @maisam50 2 года назад

    good series of videos ,thanks

  • @berfinr.9468
    @berfinr.9468 2 года назад +1

    I enjoyed every second of your series, very well done! But why wasn't there any mention of Bonanza? 🥺😩 totally missed it

  • @sirjacobthe8
    @sirjacobthe8 10 месяцев назад +1

    I think overlooking "Lonesome Dove" is a mistake here. Yes, it was a miniseries but from everything I have heard of, it helped revive the Western.

    • @TOFKAS01
      @TOFKAS01 Месяц назад

      And its still a goldstandard when it comes to modern western-series. Even if it was a little brutal and nihilistic for the standards of the time.

  • @joeciardiello6400
    @joeciardiello6400 11 месяцев назад +1

    Excellent series

  • @meenalinna
    @meenalinna 3 года назад +1

    Firstly I want to thank you for this wonderful series. I did not grow up watching or ever having much of an interest in the Western genre, but my love for and fascination of the American desert has led me to take up an interest. Your series was a perfect introduction for someone like me who, out of all the films you referenced, had only see "The Great Train Robbery" and "
    There Will Be Blood".
    I was curious if you had any thoughts on Tarantino's most recent film "Once Upon a Time in Hollywood" as being significant to the Western genre in any way. Aside from the obvious play on Leone's title, Leonardo's character is a washed up old Western actor. I only saw the movie once, and admittedly didn't think much of it, but now I'm interested in giving it another watch now knowing more about the western genre.

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  3 года назад

      Firstly, I'm very glad to have shared my passion for the western with you! That was the ultimate goal of the series, and I'm glad that it has achieved that. In terms of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, I think it is impossible to ignore the bravado, "cool" Italian filmmaking that Leone popularized in the states and Tarantino has always emulated. It certainly shows itself in that film, especially in the gunfight scenes. However, I think Tarantino is more focused on referencing the b-movies of the American 1970s, like "Lawman" or "Valdez is Coming". Unfortunately, there isn't too much talk about b-movies on RUclips yet (aside from "so-bad-its-good" cult films), so I don't have a channel to refer you to to learn more. Perhaps that could be a future project.....

  • @hildavillafranca7805
    @hildavillafranca7805 2 года назад

    Thank you for this series. I learned a lot and now I can see the influence of western in other generes and series.

  • @adventurersitem-shop3050
    @adventurersitem-shop3050 2 года назад +2

    Liked the series as a whole but I do highly disagree with your take on both versions of True Grit.
    I found that Matty showed great strength in the original with her never backing down in either Arguments or obstacles like how she crossed the lake by horse and never complained. Sure she was frightened by the Outlaws but that is just natural and despite that fear and her age she pushes pass that and continues anyway.
    In the Remake while I do agree that Lebeaf is more creepy and can be incompetent, it was clear that late in the film he was an upstanding guy and Matty even admits she misjudged him.
    And with seeing him at his worst earlier in the film to see him come back to help Matty after hearing that they were in danger and coming through at the end makes him more heroic.
    That’s just my opinion though, Just wanted to share my thoughts.

  • @alexcheng1560
    @alexcheng1560 3 года назад +1

    Thanks for making this overview of the Western. Recently found it hard to reconcile the more modern entries w/ the rest of the Genre. I'm interested in your take on Hell or High Water

  • @aye_jonesfkamarvel_jones519
    @aye_jonesfkamarvel_jones519 Год назад

    I wish Gunsmoke was touched on in this series. One of the longest running TV series that so happened to be a Western. Nonetheless I enjoyed this series and wish there were 100 more parts 🤠

  • @painitful
    @painitful 3 года назад +1

    Amazing work

  • @owie4070
    @owie4070 9 месяцев назад

    Well done!

  • @TOFKAS01
    @TOFKAS01 Месяц назад

    15:47 That detail is close to the book. At the end of the original book, the horse dies and she loses her arm. Something that you could not show during the time of the first movie.

  • @junosugi7466
    @junosugi7466 Год назад

    I felt that the film Extreme Prejudice (1987) with Nick Nolte was like a modern western. The end seemed similar to the the Wild Bunch.

  • @guyallgood6203
    @guyallgood6203 2 года назад +1

    And Now you have Daily Wire and Terror on the Prairie to look at in part 5. Curiously enough, I'd have to draw your attention to another space western which came out in a TV series which had a movie, and got completely missed, Firefly and Serenity, though a good case could well be made for Mandelorian, Star Trek, Star Wars, and many more. Also, and you nearly touched on it, how most of these westerns focused on the south west, what of the gold rush in CA? What of the northern plains where Terror on the Prairie will take you into Montana...what of Alaska? Canadian westerns? Texan Mexico westerns? The genre has many significant variants, and more points of view than the dichotomic choice of American expansionism. Your focus is just too narrow.

  • @ramonalejandrosuare
    @ramonalejandrosuare 4 года назад +2

    You could argue a film like the Proposition anticipated NCFOM by two years.

  • @Flowerz__
    @Flowerz__ 3 года назад +1

    Okay what’s better, tombstone or unforgiven?

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  3 года назад +1

      That's a tricky question to answer! On the one hand, you have Tombstone which is a well made homage to the classic western, and on the other you have the dark and deeply critical Unforgiven. My personal preference is Unforgiven, partly because I enjoy the revisionism of the film, but also just because I have a soft spot for Clint Eastwood westerns. What you prefer is up to you, they're both good movies!

  • @mropinionated2849
    @mropinionated2849 3 года назад +1

    Good series

  • @michaeldujardin9077
    @michaeldujardin9077 3 года назад

    I watched the first 3 parts of the series and liked them a lot. The age restriction fo the last part makes it however impossible for me to watch the 4th part.
    Using my professional teacher account, as I am preparing a lesson, I have no Credit Card linked to the account and the upload of an ID doesn't work as well. So I am a bit stuck.
    Is there a reason for the age restriction?

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  3 года назад +3

      The age restriction is something that I tried to fight for quite a while, but unfortunately youtube seems unwilling to budge on it. The video was absolutely fine for about a week, but someone felt that my use of 9/11 footage (as I was discussing the deep impact of 9/11 on America and its vision of itself in media) needed to be reported as a violation of youtube's policy against promoting violence. People have made very critical comments about the "political" nature of this series, which I am guessing is why someone felt the need to report my video for content violations while all of the footage I used is uploaded on youtube without restriction by the news networks it is from. I fought this policy violation with youtube, but unfortunately they placed an age restriction on the video. This has made it more difficult to see the culmination of my work with this series, which is devastating because I spent more time on the finale than on any other video. Sadly, there isn't anything I can do about it other than suggesting you try setting a birth date on your google account. I'm sorry for the trouble, and I regret that my attempts to share my love for the genre were met with vitriol from some people who don't want to think critically about the things they enjoy.

    • @michaeldujardin9077
      @michaeldujardin9077 3 года назад +1

      @@TheCUCineFile Thank you so much for taking the time to respond to my question. I think you're doing a great job with those videos and am looking forward to your next releases. Best regards from Belgium!

    • @stephenkeen5737
      @stephenkeen5737 2 года назад +1

      @@TheCUCineFile that's a pity, when 911 info could have been cut in size. We all know it changed America no need to reshow it and get that restricted rating

    • @MrWKurtzD13
      @MrWKurtzD13 Год назад

      @@TheCUCineFile That's crazy; I am sorry that you took all of this time to create this thoughtful series and are running into this kind of nonsense. I appreciate the effort. I am teaching Westerns in a high school class right now and am planning to show the 'No Country for Old Men' part to my students after we watch the film.

  • @yrojafire8011
    @yrojafire8011 2 года назад

    how does this level of quality has oonly 3000 views?

  • @samfrankenstein
    @samfrankenstein Год назад

    What is next

  • @st_orlie
    @st_orlie 3 года назад +1

    Instead of True Grit I would have done a Tarantino flick and Meeks Cutoff.

  • @marc.j.fares.56
    @marc.j.fares.56 4 года назад +2

    👑👑👑👑

  • @KrazyKobold
    @KrazyKobold 4 года назад +4

    A solid conclusion to your series. Three critiques are you didn't even include Deadwood and other 'television shows' (Westworld?) that feed in to your argument well (but you do focus on 'film' so that makes sense), you jump from 1993 or so to 2001 really abruptly... Did nothing else come out? Worthy of even a montage or review of movie posters like Wyatt Earp starring Kevin Costner and Tombstone etc.? And then finally your use of news footage of 9/11 stuff was insufferably long... Like I got your point in 30 seconds or less but it was minutes before your title and then minutes after it seemed -- I ultimatly skipped ahead there to when you started to narrate again.

    • @TheCUCineFile
      @TheCUCineFile  4 года назад +4

      Thanks for watching and giving me input. I really appreciate this kind of stuff, because it means my videos can improve and I can talk about my process with people. I thought about including television, but ultimately this series is focused on the history of the Western in cinema. I know that it spread out into other media, even during the early days of television and serialization, but to cover it all would be enough for a whole other series. In regards to the quick time skip, I wanted to cover the most important changes in the genre, and this meant that I had to cut out movies that addressed the conventions in similar ways. In these cases, and in every video in the series, I tried to stick to the first or most important example of each specific innovation. The news footage of 9/11 was deliberately long. Firstly, every title sequence has been an homage to those of the movies I'm discussing, and the films of the 2000's had very long, dramatic, and drawn out intros. But also, I wanted to emphasize the significance of this event for American cultural output. All American media changed drastically in the years after 9/11 as America reinterpreted itself. I wanted to make that importance clear as well as make a stylistic homage to the films discussed. Again, thanks for watching these videos. It really means a lot to me!

    • @vakvanya1
      @vakvanya1 4 года назад +3

      @@TheCUCineFile I feel like the montage at the beginning was the most important part of the video tbh. There is a narrative point being made in the video, and the montage at the beginning increases the impact thousandfold. I really loved this video exactly because it didn't just deliver plain facts, but because it got the point across in an artistic way, like a sort of movie in itself. Thanks for the great videos

    • @Johnnysmithy24
      @Johnnysmithy24 3 года назад +3

      I agree with you, and also would’ve liked a mention of the movie “The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford”, and the Red Dead Redemption videogames, which I think are up there with the best western films ever made.

    • @TheEddieJ1984
      @TheEddieJ1984 2 года назад +1

      @@Johnnysmithy24 I am getting into western movies again because I just started playing Red Dead 2 myself (I did get it years ago but couldn't get into it, now I am loving it as much as the 1st one)

    • @Johnnysmithy24
      @Johnnysmithy24 2 года назад

      @@TheEddieJ1984 Great!

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    @disciple5685 Год назад

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