I live in northern norway, zone 2-3 maby, we live beyond the arctic circle, and we have long hard winters, and the sea buckhorn grows here. I planted mine indoor in november, stratificated them in the fridge-room we have for 8 weeks, first soaked them in water for a couple of day's, and then had them soaked in wet vermiculite for another 8 weeks. My first seedlings apeard now, got like 15 seedlings under light in the basement plantingroom, really looking forward to testing them! I also want to use the permacultur ideas, the ones I can up here, to plant my garden. I wanted seabuckhorn to be a wind barrier and nitrogen fixer. Another plant I have ordered, bare roots, will come in spring, is in the same family, the Elaeagnus umbellata, also hardy here (but I don't know anyone who has it yet) get's red sour-sweet fuits, get's 4 meters high and wide, also a nitrogen fixer. :) btw, I Love your video :) *sorry for my bad english spelling, second language*
Your English is very good. I'm glad to here you are giving it a go growing food so far north. I know sea buckthorn is supposed to be very hardy. I think I might try direct seeding it next season because the seedlings seemed to suffer in pots. I didn't end up with any survivors after planting the seedlings out in the garden. My goji got a good start and grew pretty big but then rabbits got in my garden and apparently they really like goji because they ate every plant down to the ground. That's why I like to eat rabbits. We have Elaeagnus umbellata or autumn olive everywhere here growing wild. I will be doing a video about taking root cuttings to propagate it. From seed you get a lot of variation in the fruit. It's very invasive where I live and will take over every inch of land if not controlled. Good luck!
I'm sorry to hear about your seabuckhorn and goji berry.. :/ I also love eating rabbits, we have arctic hare, but luckely they stay out of the gardens, but the moose don't! It ate up my entre apple tree seeding, newly planted tree last year.. yeah it has some challenges here, but I will try different plants and see what goes and don't :) I read that autumn olive is not easy to make thrive up north, so luckely the invasive part is never a problem here, haha! :) I would love to see more videos from you in the future!
Sounds like you don't have an invasive autumn olive problem, but a moose shortage! :) While not exactly 'invasive' here, they do volunteer into depleted and compacted soils of abused pastures, worn-out crop fields, and road edges. They provide forage and fruit for wildlife, plus shelter, and we find the fruit delicious, especially once fully ripe. Of course there is some variation from one plant to another, and some seem to take longer to fully ripen, depending on genetic variation probably, but also sun exposure. We can eat as many autumn olive berries as we can pick... so it is hard for us to resent the abundance of free food - with something like 17 times the lycopene as tomatoes, along with other beneficial nutrients.
Honeyberries are a lot like blueberries but I think blueberries have more flavor. Did they tell you you need two different types of honeyberries to get a harvest? I don’t know where you are but have you heard of the moringa tree? It has been said that it is a vitamin and mineral pill concentrate and that it would wipe out starvation worldwide. You can eat the leaves,young fruit and make oil from the seeds. I’m in Alaska and they have apple orchards, cherries, and even peaches that grow outside. Thanks for sharing. Definitely interesting!
I did read that you need more than one variety of honeyberry to get a harvest. Unfortunately, a lot of the plants I got from the company I ordered from were DOA, so I don't have enough to pollinate, and all they would give was credit to order again--but I'd have to pay for shipping. Not ordering from them again. I do know moringa, but it is a tropical/subtropical tree and won't grow where I live. I do spend winters in Florida where moringa grows prolifically. If I ever have land to plant here I'm sure I'll grow it. Thanks for the comment!
@@HardcoreSustainable Honeyberry? Where did that name come from and how does it relate to taste? I live in British Columbia, around the 55th parallel, I know how you feel. Anyway, my berries are called Haskap, it is the Japanese name. They are bred at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, the quality of the fruit is good enough for the Japanese and they will buy all the juice the country can provide, they are not getting mine, making wine out of them and jam and ice cream and juice and cake and you name it, I will have about 600 plants in the ground by spring. Started with Borealis and Aurora, last year I added happy Giant and Blizzard and this spring Beauty and the Beast. They are named so that we can easily tell which go together. Good by blueberries. Just racked my 1st batch of Haskap wine, 32 liters or 8 US gallons. Much tastier than blueberries. I planted a few honeyberries at the beginning as a trial, no compare and will not eat them again. Flowers can handle minus 7 Celsius, never any frost damage, we had killing frost in middle of June last year, Haskap were starting to turn blue.
It is pretty easy to find dried wolfberries, sold under the Chinese name of goji berries, at health food or natural food stores - if anyone wants to try them before planting. The dried fruit is sweeter than the same fruit eaten fresh.
@@nicholasemery3912 Hear here! Too bad we don't yet have an equal category for Regenerative, cuz it's steps up from mere organic, which I think standards have been eroded, sadly & doubtlessly sickeningly too, eh?
I'm keen to see how these unusual fruits progress! Have bought some seaberry seeds, but here in cold temperate Tasmania, even if I set them in my home-made egg incubator on low, the seedlings would still struggle with low light hours until spring comes in a few months. Have you never made blackcurrant jam? Thick and luscious, it is superb on toast for breakfast. Blackcurrant syrup can be poured over ice cream or mixed in cold or hot water or milk for a high-nutrient drink. My new fave way to eat lots of blackcurrants, is to stew them a little with some sugar, then use your preferred lemon meringue pie recipe, and substitute the mushed berries for the lemon juice. Carry on as directed. SUPERB! Also wonderful with redcurrants, which have a milder flavour for people who don't just love the distinctive blackcurrant tang. Gooseberry pie! This is what gooseberries were made for! Fill a pie dish with fruit, add sugar or honey to taste depending on whether they are ripe or green, cover with a thick layer of puff pastry, and bake till golden. Serve with cream, custard or ice cream.
I haven't made jam with black currants, but i do make juice. The only problem with jam is that I tend to accumulate it because I don't use it as fast as I make it. I'm not a big toast eater. I like the pie idea, but I'm not a big pie eater either, unfortunately. The gojis have done really well since I transplanted them, but the seaberries struggled in the larger soil blocks and many of them died. I'll have to try again. I tried direct seeding them in the garden and none came up, whereas indoors I got almost full germination. They seemed to grow so slowly.
Oh dear, more things for me to worry about! I only have 10 seaberry seeds, so I am hoping for good germination. My favourite way to use blackcurrant jam, is to stir a dollop into my homemade greek yoghurt. An instant home-grown meal any time of the day!
More jam than you can eat... sounds like a cottage food marketing opportunity! If not for you, then for someone else. Or a barter arrangement. If nothing else, the birds enjoy them. And if the economy collapses, they will be enjoyed... Many people we know enjoy currents and gooseberries out of hand. They are usually not as sweet as the super-sweet fruits most Americans are accustomed to, and black currents especially have a stronger taste relished in Europe, but not so appreciated in the USA. Interestingly, when we weaned ourselves from the SAD (Standard American Diet), we began to appreciate a wider range of flavors... but it sounds like you don't eat like most Americans do.
@@rubygray7749 I have tried to germinate Sea buckthorn from seed which I acquired through mail order as a dried berry for tea, from China, 100% success, only as a trial to see if they were sun dried. I grow over a dozen named varieties which I purchased as plants, separate male and females. Growing these plants from seed is a waste of time, no true variety, isn't that why we plant new crops? The plants from seed are given away to people who are interested in new plants, but don't want o bother with the cost or do a little research. They are the most incredible vitamin and antioxidant rich plant, 2nd to none, grow in the harshest climate and the worst soil. Need lots of sun and good drainage, sand.
@@dieterditrich7520 Thanks for the detailed info! Unfortunately, the seaberry is not available in Tasmania, and if I tried to import some material for China, Customs w9ould probably put me in gaol. I'll just have to eat more blackcurrants I guess!
Honey berry just tastes like a sour blueberry to me. Not bad but not mindblowing. I’m sure it would make a great jam or pie but I’ve never gotten enough for that.
Yes, the problem with honeyberry is they aren't very productive. I have a few bushes now and it's a lot of work for not much payoff. I'm sure if they were as productive as blueberries, they could make a really good snack. They're also pretty good dehydrated so the flavor is concentrated. They need more intentional breeding for productivity.
Hi. Thank you for your informative video. Can you please advise who you would suggest getting unusual fruit seeds like the Goji and Sea Buckthorn from? Thank you.
Thanks for sharing! I had never seen a germination box like that, but I have the materials and I think I'll build one. Subscribed with notifications on. Good luck with your efforts in 2018!
How do you grow Sea Buckthorn? I have tried following all of the instructions on seed packet. It just seems like they sprout then disappear and die off. What am I doing wrong?
Did you plant them indoors or out? Mine sprouted fine indoors but they seemed susceptible to damping off fungus. I would recommend planting outside if you are having trouble inside. The ones I had that survived got eaten by rabbits.
Damping off probably wouldn't affect them outside. Could be another kind of fungus. You could try a bit of wood ash on the surface of the soil. And make sure they don't get too much water and the soil isn't too wet.
You are doing everything wrong. 1, never start sea buckthorn from seed, you never get a named variety, they have separate male and female plants, wind pollinated, you need only one male for every 10 females, they will easily sucker if they survive and then propagate that way. 2, they need a harsh climate, at least 1,200 hours at minus temperature. 3, absolutely no shade, only pure sun. 4, Poor soil, sand is the best with very little humus, they grow wild on the North Atlantic coast in sand dunes, also salt and heavy metal tolerant. Water them, but not overly, until established. Baby them and they will die. So much bad info on the internet, do some research, healthiest plant on earth.
@@dieterditrich7520 Thanks for the abrasive comments. Still some helpful info in there. I did in fact attempt to grow both named varieties bought as bareroot cuttings and seeds as I demonstrated in this video. I had very little success with the bareroot plants because most of them arrived dead from the nursery. I still have one left and maybe it is struggling because we have heavy soil. It's three years old at least and still struggling to get established. It didn't help that I scythed it last year. I also learned a lot from my attempts at starting them from seed and would not do things the same way as I state in many of my comments in this comment section. If you could learn to present your wisdom in a more pleasant way (less like "you are doing everything wrong"), I think people would see you as a wise person instead of a know-it-all. Part of being a teacher is having the ability to explain things to people who don't know as much as you without acting like they are idiots. Just a suggestion. Not everyone knows everything the first time they try something and I never professed to be an expert, but an experimenter like others interested in this video.
People should be aware that sea buckthorn fruit, while nutritious, needs loads of sugar or other sweetener to make it palatable, even for those not on the standard high-sugar, high-starch diet (the same thing, almost, as starch is made of sugar molecules linked together which quickly come apart when eaten). Sae buckthorn berries can also taste oily, even with sugar balancing the acidity and/or bitterness. Not sure why Americans have recently renamed several 'rare and unusual' fruits, calling sea buckthorn 'seaberry', and haskap 'honeyberry', to name a couple. Not to mention that these fruits were (or are) neither rare nor unusual before the industrialization of agriculture...
Awful way to grow Sea buckthorn, needs to be propagated from mother plant to get proper variety and sex, yes you need one male for every 10 females. People selling seeds are just assholes trying to make a dollar. Lots of bad info on youtube. Do a little research and see if you have a harsh enough climate, with poor soil and lots of sun, no shade.
It could be you aren't giving them enough light and they are just getting lanky, but at a half inch tall, it sounds like damping off--caused by it being too wet on the soil surface and too cold. Damping off shows as a rotten area on the base of the stem. That part gets soft and the plant falls over, but the top part of the plant still looks healthy. It can still get nutrients from the seed leaves but eventually will starve and die. It needs bottom watering such that the soil surface doesn't get wet, and it needs warmer temps. I'm learning that with the seaberry it's better to direct seed them outside instead of starting them indoors. Damping off is an indoor disease that I've never seen affect plants exposed to natural light outside.
Has this happened to your seedlings when you used a commercial pasteurized or sterilized soil mix sold for starting seeds? Also, doesn't peat in the mix help prevent this 'damping off'?
Jefferdaughter Yes I used sterile soil mix. I did not at Pest moss tho. Maybe I just water too much. Someone suggested I water from bottom up but not sure how to do that.
I don't use commercial soil mix. I use my compost mixed with cocoa coir and a bit of lime and sand (see my seed starting video). The cocoa coir is more sustainable as it is a waste product and not mined from bogs. Organic commercial mix isn't available in my area and all commercial mixes have chemical fertilizer in them, so I don't use them.
you water from the bottom by having a tray dedicated to holding water into which you drop your flats. The water can then soak in from below and the surface doesn't even have to get wet if you don't put too much water in the watering tray.
My goji were doing fine in my garden nursery bed until rabbits got in in the middle of winter and ate them down to the ground. They never recovered unfortunately.
You don't buy seeds that are cold stratified. You place them in a paper towel, lightly moistened in a plastic bag and keep them in the fridge for a 2 months. Don't bother starting Sea bukthdorn from seed, people who put this info out should be jailed.
What variety did they send you? I’ve have been trying to propagate them and so far I have a second of ‘blue velvet’ variety and want to see if air graphing will work this year for the other. Later, I will send you my email address if you don’t have the one whose leaves feel like velvet and mine fared well through the winter, I may try to send you the one I rooted - barefoot. I’m in Alaska so it will be a while😊
Goji berries and bushes are allowed in Europe, as they were imported before 1998; that is the law. However, they contain a substance that hardens the heartmucle; can cause cardiac arrest. Bit strange, that they are sold in health shops......
The goji did well for a while, but then got eaten down to the ground by rabbits that got in my garden. The sea buckthorn did fine and got a foot or so high, but I think they struggled in our heavy clay soil. I think maybe they need sandier soil
Where are you located? I wouldn't recommend the place I got them from, though I did mention that nursery in the video. I think their seeds were good but their plants were not. They were expensive, shipping was expensive, many of them were DOA, and they wouldn't replace them, only give me credit for future orders. I think nurseries should have an incentive to provide healthy live plants if they are charging $20 or more each.
Richters, Ontario, Whiffeltree, Ontario, some in Quebec and in the states I don't know. I got some also at local nursery in Prince George, BC and also in Edmonton, Alberta. If you don't have a harsh climate, poor soil and sunny location, it is not a good choice. Sea buckthorn is an extreme nitrogen fixer and will provide neighboring plants with nitrogen. Permaculture. Vitamis and antioxidants going through the roof.
They did turn out and I had them growing in my garden for a year or so, but then rabbits got in and ate them down the to ground. They didn't recover, unfortunately.
I hope you like the Goji, I hate mine they spread everywhere and they hardly have any berries. I paid around $15 for each plant, I got 4 of them. Out of the 4 plants I get about 5 berries a year or so NOT worth it at all! They are small to not like the store kind, so I thought I would get another kind, one that is suppose to have really big berries it cost $20 some dollars, so it produced right away and yes they are bigger, but they taste terrible, not good at all and not the same tasting as my other ones. So I give up on these plants. Maybe it is to hot where I live. A little advice plant them where you don't mind if they come up everywhere.
My goji were doing well until late in the season when I think rabbits found their way into my garden and ate them down to the ground. There are a few things I'll do differently if I grow them again. I think I'll direct seed the seaberries because they really struggled in the trays and then had trouble adjusting when transplanted.
Thank you for sharing your experience with growing goji plants. I wonder if you had the type that is selected for the edible leaves, instead of the fruit? Also, I have heard that pruning can stimulate the plants to produce more berries, but have not tried that myself. I also wonder if your growing conditions were not ideal for the plant. It tolerates drier and somewhat alkaline soil, so maybe your site was more moist and/or acidic that the plant prefers to thrive? (Moisture in soils and acidity usually go together.) Even though some goji plants, aka matrimony vine or wolfberry, are selected more for fruit production or for leaf production, if you have the 'problem' of free edible food coming up everywhere... why not look up uses for the leaves in cooking? It is said that those who value the leaves as food will cut a branch, strip the leaves, and then plant that branch, so they will always have a source of more of the leaves. Sounds like a lot less work than the handful of plants we work so hard to grow in annual vegetable gardens - no annual tilling, or worry that the weeds will strangle it! Seems worth trying, maybe?
Appreciate you sharing your experience, but it looks like you are working way to hard at this. We used a sterile seed-starting mix in the bottom of a plastic (organic!) box salad greens were packed in, moistened it, sprinkled the goji seeds across the media, covered lightly with more of the seed-starting media, snapped the lid shut - creating a mini-terrarium - and put it behind the computer to keep it warmer than our very cold house in a very cold climate. The top of a refrigerator or other location would work for those who don't have a desktop. Nearly all the seeds germinated. Then we moved the box to a window, and the seedlings thrived, without us having to water, and worry about too much or not enough moisture. When they began to look weak and some toppled over, we added a thin layer of active, aerated compost... and let them grow until they filled the box. They are not to fruiting age yet, but this allowed the seedlings to grow and become stronger before being transplanted into separate pots, and then outdoors. We've never had much luck with those little seed blocks, except for annual seeds with lots of stored energy that helps them to get started... but we know a lot of people do. We just don't have the time to coddle plants...
Thanks for the comments. It's true that you can use simpler means. I guess whatever works for people. I don't have a warm top of a refrigerator to put flats on as I have a super efficient chest fridge. I like to have a more organized and consistent system because I start a lot of plants in the spring and I live in a house with wood stove heating. I need a controlled environment to start many different kinds of seeds and I've found that the system I have set up is most reliable for keeping disease from destroying all my seedlings. I have reasons for doing things the way I do them, since I live in an ecovillage without fossil fuel. I've seen people carelessly try to make do with setting plants in the windowsill or on top of a fridge and then having everything die of disease, which sterile soil medium doesn't guarantee will not happen, especially in reused containers. They also get lanky if just set in a windowsill and are weak when planted outdoors. In response to a comment, I informed people that I think the best way to start these plants is direct seeding outdoors. I will probably never try to start them indoors again because they seem to prefer direct seeding. That takes away the hassle of dealing with temperature control and disease. Maybe I'll do another video on that way of starting them this spring.
@@annesmith2757 People who sell Sea buckthorn seed should be jailed. You will not get the same variety, you get male and female plants which can't be told apart until 4 year old when the female start bearing fruit and you only need 1 male for every 10 females, they are wind pollinated. Extreme nitrogen fixers, fertilize them and they will die, sand and lots of sun in a harsh climate. Probably the most nutritious plant on earth.
Thumbs up but you need to change your videos! Sorry, but you are a super informative person with great knowledge to share with others, but you're doing yourself no favour. For example, the title of this video means you will talk about Goji and See Buckthorn. That's your first mistake. Make two separate videos. Secondly, you've offered so much more useful information ( such as your gemination box ). Do yourself a favour before posting another video. Choose one subject, keep it short and specific and follow a planned outline or sequential progression of what you will talk about. This likes and subscriptions. Overall, I really liked what you did and have also subscribed to your channel. Keep it simple, provide less information about everything and focus on one specific topic at a time. Otherwise, you doing great because your presentation skills are good and you're sincere. People like that.
Thanks for the constructive suggestions! This was one of my earlier videos, but I probably still do this from time to time. I hadn't thought of that idea of breaking things down and doing a separate video for each little thing I talk about, or at least I didn't think about that for this video. I am always looking for new ideas for videos and sometimes they do go on long. But currently if you can make longer videos, people will more likely watch longer, and watch time is the most important metric on RUclips these days. But you have to keep them tuned in, so it needs to be interesting. But I'll think about your idea. Maybe you could watch some of my more recent videos and tell me what you think.
Sourness comes from incredible amounts of Vitamin C, puts other plants to shame. You need to cut the berry laden branches and freeze them, then you can easily scrape off the berries, make a super nutritious juice, one ounce a day is all the body can use, fantastic jam and nice healing skin balm, even the leaves from the male plant make a nice antioxident rich tea. Do some research and you will be amazed.
Very good video,thank's very much
I live in northern norway, zone 2-3 maby, we live beyond the arctic circle, and we have long hard winters, and the sea buckhorn grows here. I planted mine indoor in november, stratificated them in the fridge-room we have for 8 weeks, first soaked them in water for a couple of day's, and then had them soaked in wet vermiculite for another 8 weeks. My first seedlings apeard now, got like 15 seedlings under light in the basement plantingroom, really looking forward to testing them! I also want to use the permacultur ideas, the ones I can up here, to plant my garden.
I wanted seabuckhorn to be a wind barrier and nitrogen fixer.
Another plant I have ordered, bare roots, will come in spring, is in the same family, the Elaeagnus umbellata, also hardy here (but I don't know anyone who has it yet) get's red sour-sweet fuits, get's 4 meters high and wide, also a nitrogen fixer. :)
btw, I Love your video :) *sorry for my bad english spelling, second language*
Your English is very good. I'm glad to here you are giving it a go growing food so far north. I know sea buckthorn is supposed to be very hardy. I think I might try direct seeding it next season because the seedlings seemed to suffer in pots. I didn't end up with any survivors after planting the seedlings out in the garden. My goji got a good start and grew pretty big but then rabbits got in my garden and apparently they really like goji because they ate every plant down to the ground. That's why I like to eat rabbits. We have Elaeagnus umbellata or autumn olive everywhere here growing wild. I will be doing a video about taking root cuttings to propagate it. From seed you get a lot of variation in the fruit. It's very invasive where I live and will take over every inch of land if not controlled. Good luck!
I'm sorry to hear about your seabuckhorn and goji berry.. :/ I also love eating rabbits, we have arctic hare, but luckely they stay out of the gardens, but the moose don't! It ate up my entre apple tree seeding, newly planted tree last year.. yeah it has some challenges here, but I will try different plants and see what goes and don't :)
I read that autumn olive is not easy to make thrive up north, so luckely the invasive part is never a problem here, haha! :)
I would love to see more videos from you in the future!
Sounds like you don't have an invasive autumn olive problem, but a moose shortage! :) While not exactly 'invasive' here, they do volunteer into depleted and compacted soils of abused pastures, worn-out crop fields, and road edges. They provide forage and fruit for wildlife, plus shelter, and we find the fruit delicious, especially once fully ripe. Of course there is some variation from one plant to another, and some seem to take longer to fully ripen, depending on genetic variation probably, but also sun exposure.
We can eat as many autumn olive berries as we can pick... so it is hard for us to resent the abundance of free food - with something like 17 times the lycopene as tomatoes, along with other beneficial nutrients.
Great information! Thank you.
Dude... you have buckets full of gardening stuff, seeds and dirt everywhere. :| i freakin love it.
Check out Peruvian ground cherries
It gets like that around seed starting time.
I'll look into the ground cherries. Thanks!
Love my honey Berry's! Great video, so happy I found you.
great video
I love goji berries! Eat them by handfulls! Gojis produce 2nd year.
Buy a pack of dried goji for thousands of seeds for $3. Rehydrate the berry over night.
Honeyberries are a lot like blueberries but I think blueberries have more flavor. Did they tell you you need two different types of honeyberries to get a harvest?
I don’t know where you are but have you heard of the moringa tree? It has been said that it is a vitamin and mineral pill concentrate and that it would wipe out starvation worldwide. You can eat the leaves,young fruit and make oil from the seeds. I’m in Alaska and they have apple orchards, cherries, and even peaches that grow outside. Thanks for sharing. Definitely interesting!
I did read that you need more than one variety of honeyberry to get a harvest. Unfortunately, a lot of the plants I got from the company I ordered from were DOA, so I don't have enough to pollinate, and all they would give was credit to order again--but I'd have to pay for shipping. Not ordering from them again.
I do know moringa, but it is a tropical/subtropical tree and won't grow where I live. I do spend winters in Florida where moringa grows prolifically. If I ever have land to plant here I'm sure I'll grow it.
Thanks for the comment!
@@HardcoreSustainable Honeyberry? Where did that name come from and how does it relate to taste? I live in British Columbia, around the 55th parallel, I know how you feel. Anyway, my berries are called Haskap, it is the Japanese name. They are bred at the University of Saskatchewan in Saskatoon, the quality of the fruit is good enough for the Japanese and they will buy all the juice the country can provide, they are not getting mine, making wine out of them and jam and ice cream and juice and cake and you name it, I will have about 600 plants in the ground by spring. Started with Borealis and Aurora, last year I added happy Giant and Blizzard and this spring Beauty and the Beast. They are named so that we can easily tell which go together. Good by blueberries. Just racked my 1st batch of Haskap wine, 32 liters or 8 US gallons. Much tastier than blueberries. I planted a few honeyberries at the beginning as a trial, no compare and will not eat them again. Flowers can handle minus 7 Celsius, never any frost damage, we had killing frost in middle of June last year, Haskap were starting to turn blue.
It is pretty easy to find dried wolfberries, sold under the Chinese name of goji berries, at health food or natural food stores - if anyone wants to try them before planting. The dried fruit is sweeter than the same fruit eaten fresh.
I've even planted seeds from the dried fruit and grew plants! Make sure to get Organic.
Goji berries can kill you.
@@nicholasemery3912 Hear here! Too bad we don't yet have an equal category for Regenerative, cuz it's steps up from mere organic, which I think standards have been eroded, sadly & doubtlessly sickeningly too, eh?
@@p.h.m.kletersteeg117 OMG! I've eaten a lot. Does it take long? Please cite sources.
@@peace-c2r Try google. If you want me to make a research: 45 euro per hour, with a minimum of 10 hrs, paid in advance.
I'm keen to see how these unusual fruits progress! Have bought some seaberry seeds, but here in cold temperate Tasmania, even if I set them in my home-made egg incubator on low, the seedlings would still struggle with low light hours until spring comes in a few months.
Have you never made blackcurrant jam? Thick and luscious, it is superb on toast for breakfast. Blackcurrant syrup can be poured over ice cream or mixed in cold or hot water or milk for a high-nutrient drink.
My new fave way to eat lots of blackcurrants, is to stew them a little with some sugar, then use your preferred lemon meringue pie recipe, and substitute the mushed berries for the lemon juice. Carry on as directed. SUPERB! Also wonderful with redcurrants, which have a milder flavour for people who don't just love the distinctive blackcurrant tang.
Gooseberry pie! This is what gooseberries were made for! Fill a pie dish with fruit, add sugar or honey to taste depending on whether they are ripe or green, cover with a thick layer of puff pastry, and bake till golden. Serve with cream, custard or ice cream.
I haven't made jam with black currants, but i do make juice. The only problem with jam is that I tend to accumulate it because I don't use it as fast as I make it. I'm not a big toast eater. I like the pie idea, but I'm not a big pie eater either, unfortunately. The gojis have done really well since I transplanted them, but the seaberries struggled in the larger soil blocks and many of them died. I'll have to try again. I tried direct seeding them in the garden and none came up, whereas indoors I got almost full germination. They seemed to grow so slowly.
Oh dear, more things for me to worry about! I only have 10 seaberry seeds, so I am hoping for good germination.
My favourite way to use blackcurrant jam, is to stir a dollop into my homemade greek yoghurt. An instant home-grown meal any time of the day!
More jam than you can eat... sounds like a cottage food marketing opportunity! If not for you, then for someone else. Or a barter arrangement. If nothing else, the birds enjoy them. And if the economy collapses, they will be enjoyed...
Many people we know enjoy currents and gooseberries out of hand. They are usually not as sweet as the super-sweet fruits most Americans are accustomed to, and black currents especially have a stronger taste relished in Europe, but not so appreciated in the USA. Interestingly, when we weaned ourselves from the SAD (Standard American Diet), we began to appreciate a wider range of flavors... but it sounds like you don't eat like most Americans do.
@@rubygray7749 I have tried to germinate Sea buckthorn from seed which I acquired through mail order as a dried berry for tea, from China, 100% success, only as a trial to see if they were sun dried. I grow over a dozen named varieties which I purchased as plants, separate male and females.
Growing these plants from seed is a waste of time, no true variety, isn't that why we plant new crops? The plants from seed are given away to people who are interested in new plants, but don't want o bother with the cost or do a little research. They are the most incredible vitamin and antioxidant rich plant, 2nd to none, grow in the harshest climate and the worst soil. Need lots of sun and good drainage, sand.
@@dieterditrich7520
Thanks for the detailed info!
Unfortunately, the seaberry is not available in Tasmania, and if I tried to import some material for China, Customs w9ould probably put me in gaol.
I'll just have to eat more blackcurrants I guess!
Cool
Honey berry is good. Close to blueberry flavor but not the same.
thanks for mentioning what time of year this is happening - hate when people leave you guessing :)
Honey berry just tastes like a sour blueberry to me. Not bad but not mindblowing. I’m sure it would make a great jam or pie but I’ve never gotten enough for that.
Yes, the problem with honeyberry is they aren't very productive. I have a few bushes now and it's a lot of work for not much payoff. I'm sure if they were as productive as blueberries, they could make a really good snack. They're also pretty good dehydrated so the flavor is concentrated. They need more intentional breeding for productivity.
Hi. Thank you for your informative video. Can you please advise who you would suggest getting unusual fruit seeds like the Goji and Sea Buckthorn from? Thank you.
I believe I mention in this video where I got the seeds from.
Hardcore Sustainable No help. Thanks.
@@bobc.1848 Really though? You didn't hear me telling you where I got the seeds in the video? you could also do a simple google search to find some.
Don't do them from seeds, please do some research, these plants are incredible, but not when started from seed. So much garbage on the internet.
Thanks for sharing! I had never seen a germination box like that, but I have the materials and I think I'll build one.
Subscribed with notifications on. Good luck with your efforts in 2018!
I will say, Honey berries are good, we grow them the flavor is a tangy blueberry.
How do you grow Sea Buckthorn? I have tried following all of the instructions on seed packet. It just seems like they sprout then disappear and die off. What am I doing wrong?
Did you plant them indoors or out? Mine sprouted fine indoors but they seemed susceptible to damping off fungus. I would recommend planting outside if you are having trouble inside. The ones I had that survived got eaten by rabbits.
I planted them outside. How do you get rid of the fungus?
Damping off probably wouldn't affect them outside. Could be another kind of fungus. You could try a bit of wood ash on the surface of the soil. And make sure they don't get too much water and the soil isn't too wet.
You are doing everything wrong. 1, never start sea buckthorn from seed, you never get a named variety, they have separate male and female plants, wind pollinated, you need only one male for every 10 females, they will easily sucker if they survive and then propagate that way. 2, they need a harsh climate, at least 1,200 hours at minus temperature. 3, absolutely no shade, only pure sun. 4, Poor soil, sand is the best with very little humus, they grow wild on the North Atlantic coast in sand dunes, also salt and heavy metal tolerant. Water them, but not overly, until established. Baby them and they will die. So much bad info on the internet, do some research, healthiest plant on earth.
@@dieterditrich7520 Thanks for the abrasive comments. Still some helpful info in there. I did in fact attempt to grow both named varieties bought as bareroot cuttings and seeds as I demonstrated in this video. I had very little success with the bareroot plants because most of them arrived dead from the nursery. I still have one left and maybe it is struggling because we have heavy soil. It's three years old at least and still struggling to get established. It didn't help that I scythed it last year. I also learned a lot from my attempts at starting them from seed and would not do things the same way as I state in many of my comments in this comment section.
If you could learn to present your wisdom in a more pleasant way (less like "you are doing everything wrong"), I think people would see you as a wise person instead of a know-it-all. Part of being a teacher is having the ability to explain things to people who don't know as much as you without acting like they are idiots. Just a suggestion. Not everyone knows everything the first time they try something and I never professed to be an expert, but an experimenter like others interested in this video.
People should be aware that sea buckthorn fruit, while nutritious, needs loads of sugar or other sweetener to make it palatable, even for those not on the standard high-sugar, high-starch diet (the same thing, almost, as starch is made of sugar molecules linked together which quickly come apart when eaten). Sae buckthorn berries can also taste oily, even with sugar balancing the acidity and/or bitterness.
Not sure why Americans have recently renamed several 'rare and unusual' fruits, calling sea buckthorn 'seaberry', and haskap 'honeyberry', to name a couple. Not to mention that these fruits were (or are) neither rare nor unusual before the industrialization of agriculture...
It's called marketing...LOL
I also think since people are trying desperately to create a hybrid without horns these are renamed something similar.
@@sud6646 They are also called seaberry.
What type of soil and climate is required for Sea Buckthorn?
Thank you! Did you stratify the seaberries?
That's a good question. I believe I did and they do need stratification. I just don't remember if the seeds were prestratified when I got them.
I will probably use stones and sand to improve drainage to improve growth of the sea buckthorn.
Sea buckthorn need poor sandy soil with little humus, lots of sun and a harsh climate. Baby them and they will die.
Awesome channel, thanks for sharing. Where did you get the seeds from?
I think I mentioned it in the video or the description.
The name is sea buckthorn berries, and they are said to be rich in vitamin C and have all the best known omega fatty acids: 3,6,7 and 9.
Isn't Omega 6 supposed to be smaller, ratio-wise, for a good EFA profile?
how much time does sea buckthorn berry need for fruiting, if it is grown from seed?
I think it can fruit within 3-4 years if started by seed.
Awful way to grow Sea buckthorn, needs to be propagated from mother plant to get proper variety and sex, yes you need one male for every 10 females. People selling seeds are just assholes trying to make a dollar. Lots of bad info on youtube. Do a little research and see if you have a harsh enough climate, with poor soil and lots of sun, no shade.
Please tell me how to get this time controller, I already searched and can not find.
They should have them at most hardware stores. It plugs into the wall. It has a dial where you can set it to turn on and off multiple times a day.
Mine always fall over to the side after they are about half an inch tall
then die. Please advise what to do for this problem. Thanks.
It could be you aren't giving them enough light and they are just getting lanky, but at a half inch tall, it sounds like damping off--caused by it being too wet on the soil surface and too cold. Damping off shows as a rotten area on the base of the stem. That part gets soft and the plant falls over, but the top part of the plant still looks healthy. It can still get nutrients from the seed leaves but eventually will starve and die. It needs bottom watering such that the soil surface doesn't get wet, and it needs warmer temps. I'm learning that with the seaberry it's better to direct seed them outside instead of starting them indoors. Damping off is an indoor disease that I've never seen affect plants exposed to natural light outside.
Has this happened to your seedlings when you used a commercial pasteurized or sterilized soil mix sold for starting seeds? Also, doesn't peat in the mix help prevent this 'damping off'?
Jefferdaughter Yes I used sterile soil mix. I did not at Pest moss tho. Maybe I just water too much. Someone suggested I water from bottom up but not sure how to do that.
I don't use commercial soil mix. I use my compost mixed with cocoa coir and a bit of lime and sand (see my seed starting video). The cocoa coir is more sustainable as it is a waste product and not mined from bogs. Organic commercial mix isn't available in my area and all commercial mixes have chemical fertilizer in them, so I don't use them.
you water from the bottom by having a tray dedicated to holding water into which you drop your flats. The water can then soak in from below and the surface doesn't even have to get wet if you don't put too much water in the watering tray.
how is the goji berry doing so far? no video update?
My goji were doing fine in my garden nursery bed until rabbits got in in the middle of winter and ate them down to the ground. They never recovered unfortunately.
Where did you get the seeds that were cold stratified?
I got the seeds at Foxgreen Farm. I say this at about 1:42 in the video.
You don't buy seeds that are cold stratified. You place them in a paper towel, lightly moistened in a plastic bag and keep them in the fridge for a 2 months.
Don't bother starting Sea bukthdorn from seed, people who put this info out should be jailed.
What variety did they send you? I’ve have been trying to propagate them and so far I have a second of ‘blue velvet’ variety and want to see if air graphing will work this year for the other. Later, I will send you my email address if you don’t have the one whose leaves feel like velvet and mine fared well through the winter, I may try to send you the one I rooted - barefoot. I’m in Alaska so it will be a while😊
Thanks for the offer. I'd have to look it up to see what varieties I ordered and which one survived.
Goji berries and bushes are allowed in Europe, as they were imported before 1998; that is the law.
However, they contain a substance that hardens the heartmucle; can cause cardiac arrest.
Bit strange, that they are sold in health shops......
How did these turn out?
The goji did well for a while, but then got eaten down to the ground by rabbits that got in my garden. The sea buckthorn did fine and got a foot or so high, but I think they struggled in our heavy clay soil. I think maybe they need sandier soil
Are you Romanian? Im just curious. I am too and I live in Canada!
No I'm not. Why do you ask?
OK😊
Where can you buy these plants?
Where are you located? I wouldn't recommend the place I got them from, though I did mention that nursery in the video. I think their seeds were good but their plants were not. They were expensive, shipping was expensive, many of them were DOA, and they wouldn't replace them, only give me credit for future orders. I think nurseries should have an incentive to provide healthy live plants if they are charging $20 or more each.
Richters, Ontario, Whiffeltree, Ontario, some in Quebec and in the states I don't know. I got some also at local nursery in Prince George, BC and also in Edmonton, Alberta. If you don't have a harsh climate, poor soil and sunny location, it is not a good choice. Sea buckthorn is an extreme nitrogen fixer and will provide neighboring plants with nitrogen. Permaculture. Vitamis and antioxidants going through the roof.
Did any of these turn out?
They did turn out and I had them growing in my garden for a year or so, but then rabbits got in and ate them down the to ground. They didn't recover, unfortunately.
The good news and bad news!
I hope you like the Goji, I hate mine they spread everywhere and they hardly have any berries. I paid around $15 for each plant, I got 4 of them. Out of the 4 plants I get about 5 berries a year or so NOT worth it at all! They are small to not like the store kind, so I thought I would get another kind, one that is suppose to have really big berries it cost $20 some dollars, so it produced right away and yes they are bigger, but they taste terrible, not good at all and not the same tasting as my other ones. So I give up on these plants. Maybe it is to hot where I live. A little advice plant them where you don't mind if they come up everywhere.
My goji were doing well until late in the season when I think rabbits found their way into my garden and ate them down to the ground. There are a few things I'll do differently if I grow them again. I think I'll direct seed the seaberries because they really struggled in the trays and then had trouble adjusting when transplanted.
Thank you for sharing your experience with growing goji plants. I wonder if you had the type that is selected for the edible leaves, instead of the fruit? Also, I have heard that pruning can stimulate the plants to produce more berries, but have not tried that myself. I also wonder if your growing conditions were not ideal for the plant. It tolerates drier and somewhat alkaline soil, so maybe your site was more moist and/or acidic that the plant prefers to thrive? (Moisture in soils and acidity usually go together.)
Even though some goji plants, aka matrimony vine or wolfberry, are selected more for fruit production or for leaf production, if you have the 'problem' of free edible food coming up everywhere... why not look up uses for the leaves in cooking? It is said that those who value the leaves as food will cut a branch, strip the leaves, and then plant that branch, so they will always have a source of more of the leaves. Sounds like a lot less work than the handful of plants we work so hard to grow in annual vegetable gardens - no annual tilling, or worry that the weeds will strangle it! Seems worth trying, maybe?
Appreciate you sharing your experience, but it looks like you are working way to hard at this. We used a sterile seed-starting mix in the bottom of a plastic (organic!) box salad greens were packed in, moistened it, sprinkled the goji seeds across the media, covered lightly with more of the seed-starting media, snapped the lid shut - creating a mini-terrarium - and put it behind the computer to keep it warmer than our very cold house in a very cold climate. The top of a refrigerator or other location would work for those who don't have a desktop. Nearly all the seeds germinated.
Then we moved the box to a window, and the seedlings thrived, without us having to water, and worry about too much or not enough moisture. When they began to look weak and some toppled over, we added a thin layer of active, aerated compost... and let them grow until they filled the box. They are not to fruiting age yet, but this allowed the seedlings to grow and become stronger before being transplanted into separate pots, and then outdoors.
We've never had much luck with those little seed blocks, except for annual seeds with lots of stored energy that helps them to get started... but we know a lot of people do. We just don't have the time to coddle plants...
Thanks for the comments. It's true that you can use simpler means. I guess whatever works for people. I don't have a warm top of a refrigerator to put flats on as I have a super efficient chest fridge. I like to have a more organized and consistent system because I start a lot of plants in the spring and I live in a house with wood stove heating. I need a controlled environment to start many different kinds of seeds and I've found that the system I have set up is most reliable for keeping disease from destroying all my seedlings. I have reasons for doing things the way I do them, since I live in an ecovillage without fossil fuel. I've seen people carelessly try to make do with setting plants in the windowsill or on top of a fridge and then having everything die of disease, which sterile soil medium doesn't guarantee will not happen, especially in reused containers. They also get lanky if just set in a windowsill and are weak when planted outdoors. In response to a comment, I informed people that I think the best way to start these plants is direct seeding outdoors. I will probably never try to start them indoors again because they seem to prefer direct seeding. That takes away the hassle of dealing with temperature control and disease. Maybe I'll do another video on that way of starting them this spring.
Jefferdaughter where can we buy sea buck seeds.
@@annesmith2757 People who sell Sea buckthorn seed should be jailed. You will not get the same variety, you get male and female plants which can't be told apart until 4 year old when the female start bearing fruit and you only need 1 male for every 10 females, they are wind pollinated. Extreme nitrogen fixers, fertilize them and they will die, sand and lots of sun in a harsh climate. Probably the most nutritious plant on earth.
Cuttings??
Please send 10 seeds of sea buckthorn
Thumbs up but you need to change your videos! Sorry, but you are a super informative person with great knowledge to share with others, but you're doing yourself no favour. For example, the title of this video means you will talk about Goji and See Buckthorn. That's your first mistake. Make two separate videos. Secondly, you've offered so much more useful information ( such as your gemination box ). Do yourself a favour before posting another video. Choose one subject, keep it short and specific and follow a planned outline or sequential progression of what you will talk about. This likes and subscriptions. Overall, I really liked what you did and have also subscribed to your channel. Keep it simple, provide less information about everything and focus on one specific topic at a time. Otherwise, you doing great because your presentation skills are good and you're sincere. People like that.
Thanks for the constructive suggestions! This was one of my earlier videos, but I probably still do this from time to time. I hadn't thought of that idea of breaking things down and doing a separate video for each little thing I talk about, or at least I didn't think about that for this video. I am always looking for new ideas for videos and sometimes they do go on long. But currently if you can make longer videos, people will more likely watch longer, and watch time is the most important metric on RUclips these days. But you have to keep them tuned in, so it needs to be interesting. But I'll think about your idea. Maybe you could watch some of my more recent videos and tell me what you think.
They just taste really sour. Like lemon.
Sourness comes from incredible amounts of Vitamin C, puts other plants to shame. You need to cut the berry laden branches and freeze them, then you can easily scrape off the berries, make a super nutritious juice, one ounce a day is all the body can use, fantastic jam and nice healing skin balm, even the leaves from the male plant make a nice antioxident rich tea. Do some research and you will be amazed.