As an American I was unfamiliar with this series so I am happy to watch old episodes..I find it fascinating and have learned much about art, the art world and the artists themselves many of whom were known to me and many who were not. It has been quite an education! Thank you, Fiona and Philip!
I understand the need for arbiters to exist to control the attribution of works by particular artists. What I can’t understand is why the art world so often entrusts that authority in just one person who can dismiss a work on a whim. In order for that Nicholson to *not* be by him requires a fantastical - absurd, even - number of coincidences. It is absolutely preposterous that it was rejected.
I absolutely agree!!! I am so angry and believe that the so-called expert’s ego has been the hook in her nose. It happens often enough to be a crime worse than a forgers. Surely there is more recourse to be had?!
This is preposterous! How can the art world allow one person to hold ALL authority on an artist?! I absolutely believe this work belongs to WN and I am so angry and believe wholeheartedly that the so-called expert’s ego has been the hook in her nose. It happens often enough … to be a crime worse than a forgery ! Surely there is more recourse to be had?! Isn’t there?
She rejected it because it would admit that she was wrong as an expert on Nicholson. Probably she makes money from authenticating his work and she spent years building that catalog. And the next time sombody would ask for an expertize it would be like " you know she got one wrong i have seen it on tv" That or maybe vanity in admiting the mistake
In all the episodes I've seen so far, if a painting's authenticity will overturn or contradict an 'expert's' previous opinion, it will always be deemed a fake. These folks never admit to being wrong.
Again - a mad woman given authority over a painting. The Nicholson is obviously authentic down to the damn thumb print under the N. I hope that woman sues
What interest would there be in Nicholson signing the back of another artist’s painting??? It appears to me that the woman who had originally refused to add it to her catalogue is desperately trying to save face for her gross error, in spite of the overwhelming evidence presented by several renowned experts in their fields. Ego trumps reality.
There is absolutely no way that Nicholson painting isn’t authentic. I can’t believe the way the art world works-to give one woman that much power…it’s bound to go to her head. Her pride and ego won’t allow her to admit she was wrong, and everybody just stands by and watches this happen and does nothing. How on Earth Fiona and Philip can co-sign this bullshit is beyond me. Hope this way of doing things changes at some point, because it’s completely subjective instead of being based on facts-the facts in this case being that the proof that “Glass Jug” is authentic is beyond sufficient.
This WN debacle is an ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE. The piece is clearly his work. This is a travesty of justice. We all know this painting is unequivocally authentic. judgement is worthless and the perpetrator will get theirs in time for this behaviour..
with all the evidence regarding Nicholson, that women Reid, she just will not accept she is truly wrong, even if DNA was done she is gonna deny it as well.
she prob also doesnt like the fact she is being questioned by a former expert's family member. Its almost as of she's trying to stick it to the woman's aunt. Like "ha Im number now. what you said doesnt mean shit."
A glass of good wine, some fresh cut fruit, a bit of cheeses, some nice chocolates, a warm fire, a nice bit of music, and a piece of art one admires. That is my joy, happiness, how i like to spend time in reflection of life.
"...a bit of cheeses..."? Oh, my you're comfy while the nation of Great Britain is governed by toffs who scoff at those who'd plead for just a bit of bread & cheese.
@@raycochrane3971 do you really think that's limited to Great Britain? It is in the USA as well. There is many places where people go hungry, there is also dramatically different definitions of hunger as well. Btw I have personally never scoffed at someone who was hungry. I have had two missions in life besides my Life Partner and Sons. There is expansion of Gemology and Lapidary Arts and Sciences into different areas and by different individuals. The other is feeding people, I spent over twenty years doing this work hands on not just in boardrooms or fundraisers, but scrubbing and mopping floors, sorting rotten vegetables out for pig feed. Whatever needed to be done at an average of sixty hours a week. I put not just my pocketbook but the majority of my time. I am privileged without question in ways you may, or may not know. I am definitely Ego & ID. I'm also the Prince of imperfections and the King of mistakes. I know I'm far from perfection, but close enough to not want to change. Lol I think you misread my pride in the things I was able to see or do in my life with looking down at others, that is far from it. I don't look down at people, excluding many politicians. Actually that may be more of a disgusted nature than viewing politicians as inferior.
I just LOVE what Mould says about getting the experts to reverse their decision on Toulouse-Lautrec: "It ain't going to be easy!" Never thought I'd hear a posh Brit say 'ain't'.
I'm surprised that the owners of the works turned down by the "experts" don't sue in the courts. Do the experts have legal standing? I can't imagine so. Yet they often make decisions that deprive the owners of a great deal of money.
Sadly, there is no legal recourses. The thing is these leading experts that write these reference books of a total of the known artists works once turn down a piece for listing, they become like a rock because without something that isn't possible for them to argue they will not change their opinion. It is their right to leave out any piece for any reasons, however when they leave one out it leaves the question of if it is real...the fact in the one case that the science experts that examined said not only was it same paint but done in exact same way the signature even paints from a year later would be different and a handwriting expert said the writing was his. With all evidence the art expert created that catalog of works said it was done on his board by possibly a student that was next to him with his writing paints. In all reality it is most likely ego that she doesn't want to change her opinion. There has been great fights just with ego over pieces that have astounding provenance, scientific evidence, yet they are simply not going to change their minds so the object is left in a form of purgatory until there is a new top expert panel that releases a catalog that is considered the most completed and authentic.
@@davidariamirroarkyoung You watch a few of these and you begin to assume much of what you just said. I still don't understand why you can't take them to court.
To be honest Patricia Reed should be sued just like art forgers. She’s claiming to have authority over something she clearly does not know a bit about. Justice for Lyn’s painting 😡😡
Student or not, I just don’t see a student feeling right ethically or monetarily enough to paint over a complete known work of a important artist. I know I wouldn’t. I feel it takes the confidence of the original artist to feel comfortable painting over one of their own completed works. I didn’t see any examples of this occurring before her “theory” was put out
Hope the careers & reputations of the obviously non-authoratative "authorities" are ruined by these intelligent investigations. A huge aspect of "Art"'s meaning has been to "see" through the hype & hypocrisy ~ hope Art sees thru.
EEven though I confes to a few butterflies re the dramatic "reveal" at the program's end, I was not shocked. Fake or Fortune has taught me that arrogance and unrelenting pride are the rule rather than the exception among so-called "experts." No wonder that it is listed as one of the Seven Deadly Sins. Sad.
I had the honor of visiting a high end facility that pours limited edition bronze sculptures by high end artists. They keep the molds in a vault once the run is complete the artist oftentimes is the individual that smashes the mold at the bronze factory and burn it at a temperature over the casting to turn the mold to ashes. I was a odd child most ten year olds save money to purchase a bicycle. I saved to purchase a drawing. The first major loan i took i was 20 years old it was for a antique pecialized form of player baby grand piano with two violins attached, a double Vitorio, it was called and i still have it , using it daily.
"... high end facility that pours limited edition bronze sculptures by high end artists..." Can''t have low end can we? Odd child? Possible. Odd turn of phrase while self congratulating? Certainly.
@@raycochrane3971 Yes, I am definitely ego and ID. That's what my therapist says at least. I have an extremely high sense of myself, without question. If it's validly earned, or not. I let others decide, but don't care what they think. Lol thank you for the entertainment. Honestly 🙏
@@raycochrane3971 I should say it was actually pride. Great amount of pride. My Life partner was having some replicas made of their works, I'm extremely proud. Thank you, you give me a laugh. I am pure Ego and ID without question, definitely. I ask you to forgive my spelling and grammar. I had a stroke that affected my writing amongst other things. English is not my first language either, but the mix has been harder to express.
What was the rush to get the Lautrec material to the committee BEFORE they had all their evidence ? Why couldn't they wait the few extra months until the committee returned and submit their evidence then ? I thought it was simply ridiculous to submit anything if you don't have all your evidence ❗
I think that the comparison between the amount of evidence with the Nicholson and Gainsborough vs. the Henry Moore case, compared to the result of the jury is just so annoying. The Henry Moore had way less compelling evidence yet was accepted with such delight. Nicholson and Gainsborough had substantial evidence yet was denied.
I love the though that the artists probably painted rubbish just to see how far these pundits went to verify or justify a crappy looking painting bringing it to the fore front of what the customer expected then the revealing of fools believing anything giving the artist more impetus to produce less and receive more.
I admire art forgers. They create valor out of thin air, as if they were wizards. They exploit the gullibility of the rich people who usually got rich by exploiting the gullibility of the poor people. Counterfeiters deceive arrogant experts and secure profits for self-described ethical art dealers. They usually have deep knowledge of the materials they use and are sophisticated psychologists, always attentive to the secret desires that art historians express between the lines of their works. Anyone can be an artist, but it takes a really brave artist to be a great art forger.
Best thing about this series -Its not often you get to see rich people so disappointed! Sorry you'll be financially devastated now and have to sell off all your expensive houses and live in a cheap apartment, OH NOOOOO a fate worse than death! haha! the few regular people involved arent nearly as destroyed because theyre used to being screwed by the system!
Its not that... This case is complicated by the fact that the sculpture in question may have undergone repairs that suggest a substantial portion of the restoration was not executed by the original artist’s hand. This nuance renders it impossible to approve without reservation. That said, the fact that the committee has refrained from making a hasty decision is, in itself, a remarkable display of openness to whatever new evidence may surface. It reflects an entirely an ethos that demonstrates a commitment to thoroughness and due diligence. In my view, their current verdict is entirely sound. At the same time, I hold out hope - albeit faint - that some small detail will emerge which could confirm that the work was either completed by the artist himself or under his direct supervision. If that were to happen, this would transform the piece from being a work by the artist with questionable repairs, into a true work by him, albeit one that has undergone restoration.
Twist the idea that Gurlet was selling for desperate Jews but because of the flow of legal and illegal funds the Jews could possibly escape. He may have been sim pathetic, who really knows.
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As an American I was unfamiliar with this series so I am happy to watch old episodes..I find it fascinating and have learned much about art, the art world and the artists themselves many of whom were known to me and many who were not. It has been quite an education! Thank you, Fiona and Philip!
55:44 I think they are too gutless to admit she's wrong. The case is a slam dunk.
I understand the need for arbiters to exist to control the attribution of works by particular artists. What I can’t understand is why the art world so often entrusts that authority in just one person who can dismiss a work on a whim.
In order for that Nicholson to *not* be by him requires a fantastical - absurd, even - number of coincidences. It is absolutely preposterous that it was rejected.
I absolutely agree!!! I am so angry and believe that the so-called expert’s ego has been the hook in her nose. It happens often enough to be a crime worse than a forgers. Surely there is more recourse to be had?!
This is preposterous! How can the art world allow one person to hold ALL authority on an artist?!
I absolutely believe this work belongs to WN and I am so angry and believe wholeheartedly that the so-called expert’s ego has been the hook in her nose. It happens often enough … to be a crime worse than a forgery !
Surely there is more recourse to be had?! Isn’t there?
What more evidence could she possibly need? Would he need to rise from the dead and verify it himself?
She rejected it because it would admit that she was wrong as an expert on Nicholson. Probably she makes money from authenticating his work and she spent years building that catalog. And the next time sombody would ask for an expertize it would be like " you know she got one wrong i have seen it on tv" That or maybe vanity in admiting the mistake
Frustrating, isn't it. Sometimes ones ego can get in the way, despite the evidence.
Why would anyone paint over a Nicholson painting to “fake” a Nicholson painting 😂 that’s a little ridiculous
I swear I love these quality shows from across the pond.
Greetings from sunny central california.
In all the episodes I've seen so far, if a painting's authenticity will overturn or contradict an 'expert's' previous opinion, it will always be deemed a fake.
These folks never admit to being wrong.
Absolutely. It's like any situation where someone has been deemed an expert. The ego will always win.
Again - a mad woman given authority over a painting. The Nicholson is obviously authentic down to the damn thumb print under the N. I hope that woman sues
I just discovered this show and absolutely love it.
Regarding the Nicholson painting … I thing the so-called fake is better than the attributed one. Just sayin’.
Indeed. The Ottawa one is probably by Churchill. 🤣
Patricia Reed has a bit of a reputation for being a clueless mole
Absolutely the Ottawa one is the understudy!! I love and hate this show lol
What interest would there be in Nicholson signing the back of another artist’s painting??? It appears to me that the woman who had originally refused to add it to her catalogue is desperately trying to save face for her gross error, in spite of the overwhelming evidence presented by several renowned experts in their fields. Ego trumps reality.
Absolut arrogance, nothing else.
There is absolutely no way that Nicholson painting isn’t authentic. I can’t believe the way the art world works-to give one woman that much power…it’s bound to go to her head. Her pride and ego won’t allow her to admit she was wrong, and everybody just stands by and watches this happen and does nothing. How on Earth Fiona and Philip can co-sign this bullshit is beyond me. Hope this way of doing things changes at some point, because it’s completely subjective instead of being based on facts-the facts in this case being that the proof that “Glass Jug” is authentic is beyond sufficient.
This WN debacle is an ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE.
The piece is clearly his work. This is a travesty of justice.
We all know this painting is unequivocally authentic.
judgement is worthless and the perpetrator will get theirs in time for this behaviour..
with all the evidence regarding Nicholson, that women Reid, she just will not accept she is truly wrong, even if DNA was done she is gonna deny it as well.
Patricia Reed sounds like someone who has something to prove - perhaps her being credited with an expertise she doesn't possess.
she prob also doesnt like the fact she is being questioned by a former expert's family member. Its almost as of she's trying to stick it to the woman's aunt. Like "ha Im number now. what you said doesnt mean shit."
Addicted to these amazing episodes. Love the investigators! Thanks. Keep ‘em coming!
A glass of good wine, some fresh cut fruit, a bit of cheeses, some nice chocolates, a warm fire, a nice bit of music, and a piece of art one admires. That is my joy, happiness, how i like to spend time in reflection of life.
Great story, Dave....
"...a bit of cheeses..."? Oh, my you're comfy while the nation of Great Britain is governed by toffs who scoff at those who'd plead for just a bit of bread & cheese.
@@raycochrane3971 Yes, a bit of cheeses. Like a plowman's plate.
@@raycochrane3971 Oh absolutely extremely comfortable. Thank you
@@raycochrane3971 do you really think that's limited to Great Britain? It is in the USA as well. There is many places where people go hungry, there is also dramatically different definitions of hunger as well. Btw I have personally never scoffed at someone who was hungry. I have had two missions in life besides my Life Partner and Sons. There is expansion of Gemology and Lapidary Arts and Sciences into different areas and by different individuals. The other is feeding people, I spent over twenty years doing this work hands on not just in boardrooms or fundraisers, but scrubbing and mopping floors, sorting rotten vegetables out for pig feed. Whatever needed to be done at an average of sixty hours a week. I put not just my pocketbook but the majority of my time. I am privileged without question in ways you may, or may not know. I am definitely Ego & ID. I'm also the Prince of imperfections and the King of mistakes. I know I'm far from perfection, but close enough to not want to change. Lol I think you misread my pride in the things I was able to see or do in my life with looking down at others, that is far from it. I don't look down at people, excluding many politicians. Actually that may be more of a disgusted nature than viewing politicians as inferior.
I just LOVE what Mould says about getting the experts to reverse their decision on Toulouse-Lautrec: "It ain't going to be easy!"
Never thought I'd hear a posh Brit say 'ain't'.
Thanks for putting these on youtube !!
Thanks for uploading!!
The scraped off flowers would make for a very elaborate fake.
Just a question, how would they know it would be found?
Please date the original posting of videos in the promo header, It helps those of us who follow regularly.
I'm surprised that the owners of the works turned down by the "experts" don't sue in the courts. Do the experts have legal standing? I can't imagine so. Yet they often make decisions that deprive the owners of a great deal of money.
Sadly, there is no legal recourses. The thing is these leading experts that write these reference books of a total of the known artists works once turn down a piece for listing, they become like a rock because without something that isn't possible for them to argue they will not change their opinion. It is their right to leave out any piece for any reasons, however when they leave one out it leaves the question of if it is real...the fact in the one case that the science experts that examined said not only was it same paint but done in exact same way the signature even paints from a year later would be different and a handwriting expert said the writing was his. With all evidence the art expert created that catalog of works said it was done on his board by possibly a student that was next to him with his writing paints. In all reality it is most likely ego that she doesn't want to change her opinion. There has been great fights just with ego over pieces that have astounding provenance, scientific evidence, yet they are simply not going to change their minds so the object is left in a form of purgatory until there is a new top expert panel that releases a catalog that is considered the most completed and authentic.
@@davidariamirroarkyoung You watch a few of these and you begin to assume much of what you just said. I still don't understand why you can't take them to court.
To be honest Patricia Reed should be sued just like art forgers. She’s claiming to have authority over something she clearly does not know a bit about.
Justice for Lyn’s painting 😡😡
Don't try to convince me with overwhelming evidence. I'm an expert and will draw my own conclusion. Pathetic isn't it!
Student or not, I just don’t see a student feeling right ethically or monetarily enough to paint over a complete known work of a important artist. I know I wouldn’t. I feel it takes the confidence of the original artist to feel comfortable painting over one of their own completed works. I didn’t see any examples of this occurring before her “theory” was put out
I don’t think it’s fake. I think someone is holding a grudge. First painting.
Hope the careers & reputations of the obviously non-authoratative "authorities" are ruined by these intelligent investigations. A huge aspect of "Art"'s meaning has been to "see" through the hype & hypocrisy ~ hope Art sees thru.
Looks like one more downloader ring on the success of this indeed very good Series.
Reid verdict - she was hardly going to admit she was wrong in the first place was she?
EEven though I confes to a few butterflies re the dramatic "reveal" at the program's end, I was not shocked. Fake or Fortune has taught me that arrogance and unrelenting pride are the rule rather than the exception among so-called "experts." No wonder that it is listed as one of the Seven Deadly Sins. Sad.
I had the honor of visiting a high end facility that pours limited edition bronze sculptures by high end artists. They keep the molds in a vault once the run is complete the artist oftentimes is the individual that smashes the mold at the bronze factory and burn it at a temperature over the casting to turn the mold to ashes. I was a odd child most ten year olds save money to purchase a bicycle. I saved to purchase a drawing. The first major loan i took i was 20 years old it was for a antique pecialized form of player baby grand piano with two violins attached, a double Vitorio, it was called and i still have it , using it daily.
odd child = reincarnated or “old soul” 🤩
"... high end facility that pours limited edition bronze sculptures by high end artists..." Can''t have low end can we? Odd child? Possible. Odd turn of phrase while self congratulating? Certainly.
@@raycochrane3971 LoL Ray your on my radar, I'm enjoying it.
@@raycochrane3971 Yes, I am definitely ego and ID. That's what my therapist says at least. I have an extremely high sense of myself, without question. If it's validly earned, or not. I let others decide, but don't care what they think. Lol thank you for the entertainment. Honestly 🙏
@@raycochrane3971 I should say it was actually pride. Great amount of pride. My Life partner was having some replicas made of their works, I'm extremely proud. Thank you, you give me a laugh. I am pure Ego and ID without question, definitely. I ask you to forgive my spelling and grammar. I had a stroke that affected my writing amongst other things. English is not my first language either, but the mix has been harder to express.
What was the rush to get the Lautrec material to the committee BEFORE they had all their evidence ? Why couldn't they wait the few extra months until the committee returned and submit their evidence then ? I thought it was simply ridiculous to submit anything if you don't have all your evidence ❗
I think that the comparison between the amount of evidence with the Nicholson and Gainsborough vs. the Henry Moore case, compared to the result of the jury is just so annoying.
The Henry Moore had way less compelling evidence yet was accepted with such delight. Nicholson and Gainsborough had substantial evidence yet was denied.
2:58:18 the Get out vibes....
I love the though that the artists probably painted rubbish just to see how far these pundits went to verify or justify a crappy looking painting bringing it to the fore front of what the customer expected then the revealing of fools believing anything giving the artist more impetus to produce less and receive more.
That's an old episode. Why upload it now? ....I was so hoping for a new episode ...
I admire art forgers. They create valor out of thin air, as if they were wizards. They exploit the gullibility of the rich people who usually got rich by exploiting the gullibility of the poor people. Counterfeiters deceive arrogant experts and secure profits for self-described ethical art dealers. They usually have deep knowledge of the materials they use and are sophisticated psychologists, always attentive to the secret desires that art historians express between the lines of their works. Anyone can be an artist, but it takes a really brave artist to be a great art forger.
No, it's deceitful and immoral. Stop trying to justify it. Also sounds like you have a political opinion wrapped up in your "justifications."
@@joshandkorinna Go bullshit another guy.
JoshandKorinna grow up!
I dunno. If you're that freaking unbelievably talented then make your own art.
@@jmoera No, you grow and stop supporting immoral practices.
What was the final outcome?
Best thing about this series -Its not often you get to see rich people so disappointed! Sorry you'll be financially devastated now and have to sell off all your expensive houses and live in a cheap apartment, OH NOOOOO a fate worse than death! haha! the few regular people involved arent nearly as destroyed because theyre used to being screwed by the system!
Art should be valued based on its value as an independent object not on the perceived investment value.
Well… N°1 may not worth 165.000 £ but is a painting with history for sure ! Nº2 is a “Maybe”, nº3 is said geniun
Could the sculpture be restored by a professional?
Its not that...
This case is complicated by the fact that the sculpture in question may have undergone repairs that suggest a substantial portion of the restoration was not executed by the original artist’s hand. This nuance renders it impossible to approve without reservation.
That said, the fact that the committee has refrained from making a hasty decision is, in itself, a remarkable display of openness to whatever new evidence may surface. It reflects an entirely an ethos that demonstrates a commitment to thoroughness and due diligence.
In my view, their current verdict is entirely sound. At the same time, I hold out hope - albeit faint - that some small detail will emerge which could confirm that the work was either completed by the artist himself or under his direct supervision. If that were to happen, this would transform the piece from being a work by the artist with questionable repairs, into a true work by him, albeit one that has undergone restoration.
Shame on Patricia!!
Twist the idea that Gurlet was selling for desperate Jews but because of the flow of legal and illegal funds the Jews could possibly escape. He may have been sim pathetic, who really knows.
Dust it for fingerprints
I enjoyed many of these episodes on TV and, then again, on this UTUB channel WHY do you persist in crumbly repackaging these old episodes?
Was Patricia's big ego....
Why do art experts talk like that?
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Lol, modern art is a joke.