So when Jimmie "jumps" its illegal, but when Denny easily jumps its all fine and dandy? BTW, the reason HMS was caught cheating so often is because they were always winning. You think they're gonna tell the last place team they're getting DQ'd? Hell nah. Everyone cheats in NASCAR, and youre delusional if you think otherwise. Jimmie, Jeff, and HMS just did it better than everyone else.
On side note there isn't anything too bad about it. I liked jimmy. No one is legal. He just did it a lot. Had probably the best crew cheif ever. Good ideas of innovation.
When Chad was telling Jimmie to back the car into the wall, i would bet that there was something else on the car and there was nothing wrong with the back if the car. Looked like Chad even looked at the on board camera. Chad ain't stupid.
I remember Ricky Stenthouse Jr blew an engine coming to the checker flag in 2011. And teammate Carl Edwards ran into the back of his car. No one accused them of cheating. DW talk about the 85' All Star incident in his autobiography and while he confessed to doing some things in his NASCAR career that weren't by the rule book, but he didn't name this among them. "An autobiography. That's a book about cars, right?" - Darrell Waltrip in "DW: A Lifetime of Going in Circles."
0:48 spinning people is illegal for everyone but Kyle bush, he non stop spins people and ever get plenty for it , 2:37, he forgot Dale Earnhardt existed,
Smokey Yunick, responsible for about 95% of the rulebook. It was a cat and mouse game between he and the rule makers at the time, some of the things he did were absolutely amazing. I hold him in the same regard as Zakspeed's shenanigans with the Viper and the Nurburgring 24H in the 2000s, same as Penske's cheating (I mean when the late great Mark Donhue's book is literally called Unfair Advantage), and so forth. At one point in the 80s or 90s it is said that a good chunk of the field were rolling off with cars that were legal in pre race inspection but were illegal by, oh I don't know, the time they got onto the track before the green flag even dropped. From DW's ballast tricks to trick shocks that crumbled and lowered the car, to laying the spoiler flat, those are the ones that spring to mind. EDIT: Oh and Bumpergate too at the Daytona 500. Not only did Bobby get a caution, he also ran much better without the bumper on his car in 82 as well
Ol' Smokey was only responsible for about 60% of the rulebook. The rest was Junior Johnson, Chad Knaus, Richard Petty, Penske, etc. Give some credit/blame to those responsible - don't just credit/blame the one guy.
Fitst off.. big Earnhardt fan. But he never cheated?.... there is a picture of him standing next to his car in inspection, slyly lifting it with his foot so it isn't too low!😄
I don't understand how people get mad when a team like Hendrick or Gibbs get caught. Why do you think teams like that have so many wins? If you ran a car 100 percent by the rule book, you would be near the back of the field. Even with the Next Gen car and "spec" parts. Teams like Hendrick, Gibbs, and Stewart-Haas more than once have tried to get away with making little tweaks just to get that slight edge. Getting a slight edge with how close together the field spread is with the Next Gen car is everything. NASCAR has always been about working in the grey areas of the rule book, and I love that.
Heres an idea, NASCAR announces any team caught breaking rules or acting inside of a gray area will be sitting on the sidelines for the rest of season. Want it to stop? That will do it. Of course, NASCAR would have to back it up if someone was stupid enough to try it.
Every team has a "innovative car guy" who knows mecahnical engineering, welding, fabrication ect. It was up to each team back then to find a way to out innovate their rival innovators. With big money on the line these owners have to have known and cosigned knowing what the deal was and the kinds of risks their crew chiefs were taking just to stay competively cheating. After "the car of tommorow" and all the new templates some just retired and said "naaaah im good".
Why was Gordon's winning car deemed illegal the next day? If it followed the rulebook and passed inspections, isn't that just a mark of a well crafted car that they should be praised for?
i think this whole video could be the 48....you left out like 60% of their cheats...and if you get caught cheating that much that often...you cant be mentioned in the greatest of all time talks.
You’re not a true nascar fan if you don’t understand the phrase “if you aren’t cheating you aren’t winning” All the stars have bent the rules, it’s literally ingrained in nascar history. You think Richard petty lapped the field 5 times without cheating? That was before high tech devices to check everything. Don’t be an idiot.
@@jaredchampagne2752cheating is frown upon across many motersports, it illegitimatimize drivers and the the sport. If your gonna cheat better hope u never get fined.
@@MotorSport33-f5uevery former star driver has come out and told stories of “cheating”. Every championship driver has bent the rules or cheated to win. This has been a staple in nascar since the beginning, the sport started because of people illegally smuggling drugs and alcohol. Open a book.
Jimmy’s 5 consecutive championships were mainly done by cheating. They were doing stuff to the intake of the engine for a few of those years and never got caught. Messing with the pillars front and rear. I don’t see how they can sleep at night and feel like they actually won that many. If it wasn’t for the cheating they realistically would have only 2 or 3 legit championships
And your point is??? In NASCAR, if you aren't cheating, you aren't going to win. Hell, half the time, if you aren't cheating, you aren't qualifying for the race...
Wasn’t cheating, they did things that weren’t addressed in the rule book and made nascar make a decision on it. Just like when they were loading the rear sway bars up to trick the car into thinking it had a stiffer RR spring, when they made truck arm bushings out of weak material to make the LR roll forward, and when they put a massive track bar split to skew the rear end over. Now there’s rules against that.
The last 2 weren't "cheating". The Gordon car was deemed "illegal" because they had legally whipped those Ford teams so bad they cried to Bill France JR. and JPM didn't know how to restart the race.
That was a big time Jeff Gordon fan my whole family was I was always disappointed that Jeff Gordon basically gave up he's one of the greatest I always knew that Jimmy was a cheater well I never really cared enough to look into it cuz I'd give it up on NASCAR
So when Jimmie "jumps" its illegal, but when Denny easily jumps its all fine and dandy?
BTW, the reason HMS was caught cheating so often is because they were always winning. You think they're gonna tell the last place team they're getting DQ'd? Hell nah. Everyone cheats in NASCAR, and youre delusional if you think otherwise. Jimmie, Jeff, and HMS just did it better than everyone else.
What do you mean "were always winning" are u part of the team? Johnsons team probably has the record for cheating in more races.
On side note there isn't anything too bad about it. I liked jimmy. No one is legal. He just did it a lot. Had probably the best crew cheif ever. Good ideas of innovation.
When Chad was telling Jimmie to back the car into the wall, i would bet that there was something else on the car and there was nothing wrong with the back if the car. Looked like Chad even looked at the on board camera. Chad ain't stupid.
I remember Ricky Stenthouse Jr blew an engine coming to the checker flag in 2011. And teammate Carl Edwards ran into the back of his car. No one accused them of cheating. DW talk about the 85' All Star incident in his autobiography and while he confessed to doing some things in his NASCAR career that weren't by the rule book, but he didn't name this among them.
"An autobiography. That's a book about cars, right?" - Darrell Waltrip in "DW: A Lifetime of Going in Circles."
0:48 spinning people is illegal for everyone but Kyle bush, he non stop spins people and ever get plenty for it , 2:37, he forgot Dale Earnhardt existed,
Smokey Yunick, responsible for about 95% of the rulebook. It was a cat and mouse game between he and the rule makers at the time, some of the things he did were absolutely amazing. I hold him in the same regard as Zakspeed's shenanigans with the Viper and the Nurburgring 24H in the 2000s, same as Penske's cheating (I mean when the late great Mark Donhue's book is literally called Unfair Advantage), and so forth. At one point in the 80s or 90s it is said that a good chunk of the field were rolling off with cars that were legal in pre race inspection but were illegal by, oh I don't know, the time they got onto the track before the green flag even dropped. From DW's ballast tricks to trick shocks that crumbled and lowered the car, to laying the spoiler flat, those are the ones that spring to mind.
EDIT: Oh and Bumpergate too at the Daytona 500. Not only did Bobby get a caution, he also ran much better without the bumper on his car in 82 as well
Good old days
Ol' Smokey was only responsible for about 60% of the rulebook. The rest was Junior Johnson, Chad Knaus, Richard Petty, Penske, etc. Give some credit/blame to those responsible - don't just credit/blame the one guy.
Fitst off.. big Earnhardt fan. But he never cheated?.... there is a picture of him standing next to his car in inspection, slyly lifting it with his foot so it isn't too low!😄
He used nitrous to qualify also in the 70s
He also cut a corner at Riverside in 87
I don't understand how people get mad when a team like Hendrick or Gibbs get caught. Why do you think teams like that have so many wins? If you ran a car 100 percent by the rule book, you would be near the back of the field. Even with the Next Gen car and "spec" parts. Teams like Hendrick, Gibbs, and Stewart-Haas more than once have tried to get away with making little tweaks just to get that slight edge. Getting a slight edge with how close together the field spread is with the Next Gen car is everything. NASCAR has always been about working in the grey areas of the rule book, and I love that.
T-rex was not an illigal race car
"It's not going to be tomorrow"
It was more like a “don’t come back with that car next week”
Heres an idea, NASCAR announces any team caught breaking rules or acting inside of a gray area will be sitting on the sidelines for the rest of season. Want it to stop? That will do it. Of course, NASCAR would have to back it up if someone was stupid enough to try it.
Most cheating team in NASCAR? Look no further than HMS.
Cry and seeth
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Every team has a "innovative car guy" who knows mecahnical engineering, welding, fabrication ect. It was up to each team back then to find a way to out innovate their rival innovators. With big money on the line these owners have to have known and cosigned knowing what the deal was and the kinds of risks their crew chiefs were taking just to stay competively cheating. After "the car of tommorow" and all the new templates some just retired and said "naaaah im good".
Why was Gordon's winning car deemed illegal the next day? If it followed the rulebook and passed inspections, isn't that just a mark of a well crafted car that they should be praised for?
i remember one race were the 48 pit crew Intentionality put there knee into the car to bend it and they had to come back in and push it back out
I thought this was going to be a biography of Cheatin Chad.
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i think this whole video could be the 48....you left out like 60% of their cheats...and if you get caught cheating that much that often...you cant be mentioned in the greatest of all time talks.
Jimmie Johnsons team did alot of cheating thats part of why hes not even close to the best in Nascar history thats dale Earnhardt and always will be
You’re not a true nascar fan if you don’t understand the phrase “if you aren’t cheating you aren’t winning”
All the stars have bent the rules, it’s literally ingrained in nascar history. You think Richard petty lapped the field 5 times without cheating? That was before high tech devices to check everything. Don’t be an idiot.
Sure Dale just “moved” other racers out of the way. Because wrecking your opponent isn’t cheating right. Don’t be an idiot sheep.
@@jaredchampagne2752cheating is frown upon across many motersports, it illegitimatimize drivers and the the sport. If your gonna cheat better hope u never get fined.
At cheating?
@@MotorSport33-f5uevery former star driver has come out and told stories of “cheating”. Every championship driver has bent the rules or cheated to win. This has been a staple in nascar since the beginning, the sport started because of people illegally smuggling drugs and alcohol. Open a book.
Chad Knaus Planning Jimmie To Win This Race 3:05
Jimmy’s 5 consecutive championships were mainly done by cheating. They were doing stuff to the intake of the engine for a few of those years and never got caught. Messing with the pillars front and rear. I don’t see how they can sleep at night and feel like they actually won that many. If it wasn’t for the cheating they realistically would have only 2 or 3 legit championships
And your point is??? In NASCAR, if you aren't cheating, you aren't going to win. Hell, half the time, if you aren't cheating, you aren't qualifying for the race...
Wasn’t cheating, they did things that weren’t addressed in the rule book and made nascar make a decision on it. Just like when they were loading the rear sway bars up to trick the car into thinking it had a stiffer RR spring, when they made truck arm bushings out of weak material to make the LR roll forward, and when they put a massive track bar split to skew the rear end over. Now there’s rules against that.
The last 2 weren't "cheating". The Gordon car was deemed "illegal" because they had legally whipped those Ford teams so bad they cried to Bill France JR. and JPM didn't know how to restart the race.
@@BuccaneerBruce Wasn’t Brian France running NASCAR when TRex was outlawed, at the time it was Bill France Jr…
@@firewalkerp You're correct. I'm not sure why I thought Brian France.
That was a big time Jeff Gordon fan my whole family was I was always disappointed that Jeff Gordon basically gave up he's one of the greatest I always knew that Jimmy was a cheater well I never really cared enough to look into it cuz I'd give it up on NASCAR
Bob Pockrass 0:11
Johnson is no where near the greatest driver
If your not cheating your not winning bending the rules is apart of the game all of the greats have done it
Jimmy Johnson was never the best/greatest driver in NASCAR history. That crown belongs to Dale Earnhardt Sr, period.
I’d say David Pearson
@@1888Wyatt David Pearson was only a part-time driver his entire NASCAR career.
I agree... David Pearson. GOAT
@@maxsdad538 FALSE. Dale Sr earned that crown. Go ask Mike Helton, the NASCAR executive official.
Earnhardt had to wreck to win half his career
Why did bro put Jimmie on the video
Everyone loves to point out the greats. Every elite dominating force in sports history is called out for cheating. Jealousy.
@@jaredchampagne2752lol they cheated more than any modern team in history, he’s not a great. Did you see him embarrass himself in an indycar?
Why is the earth round?