As a former Deputy Sheriff, having trained in different styles of Aikido I can testify that in most real world situations, Aikido is very effective. Against a highly trained MMA fighter, maybe not so much. Also how you train is a big factor. Being an Aikidoka a is a personal journey. If you want practical real world self defense, you need to seek out a dojo that trains that way. There is something for everyone in Aikido.
Murray Barker "Against a highly trained MMA fighter" - the paradigm for Aikido isn't a ring fight... in a ring fight or competition you have a lot of "game", and Aikido is designed for when your opponent is trying to break you in half, not looking for an oppening, like most street confrontations are... Cheers for making a point on the Aikido Paradigm Vs. Fighting competitions. FYI, I practice Takemusu Aikido.
The good thing about Aikido is no one can really hit you or grab you and have the advantage, if i cough up money/wallet and they still want to strike, I can break this bone or that bone as long as they don't have a gun. If they have a gun the defense must be a little more deceptive and strategic but still effective. I would advise you sign up for a class. It helps enormously with inner calm. Aikido helped me become a business coach earning $250/hr at the age of 24. There are many benefits.
Excellent demonstration. I love the move where he simply ducks down and the attacker flies over him! So simple and effective and quite unexpected to the attacker. I need to start taking ninja classes.
i try to use aikido when i spar. i mostly have sucess when my sparring partners are the aggressor. aikido is a beautiful art and truly a self defence art. if anyone had the knoledge of the science behind the physicics, leverage, timing and the human anotomy knowledge they would know that it's not fake and they will appriciate the beauty of the aikido. CSW student for 5 years now. billy robinson the master of catch wrestling is the one who opened my mind to a new level.
@ennot: Yes, what your mind believes it can achieve. At the highest level, the practitioner should use energy instead of mechanical techniques and the attacker should not get hurt. I just learned Aikido for almost 3 months now (I go every Sunday) and I now know how to use energy and it is effortless. The senseis in my club teach both hard and soft styles, but I prefer the soft style. I also noticed that some may know how to use ki but don't know how to teach the students.
Well, to put it simple, there's a lot a purposes behind those. This is a Demonstration, they wanna see how we block an extended hand (knives thrust). If you're looking for a more realistic fight with Aikido in it, you can find some videos called Jiyu Waza or somethin (where the attackers are free to do anything like Kick, Punch, Elbow Strikes, Grab, and etc). In fact, Aikido is one of the most effective to prevent injuries for both Attackers and Technique Users.
Beautiful. Very nice, at 8:22 you see he ajusts his throw to give the uke a chance to fall correctly. If he simply would have continued the throw it would have been a bad fall. True mastership, being in total control.
To all those who discredit Aikido... please, I urge you to at least try attending a full week worth of class at your local Yoshinkan dojo. I know sometime it can look fake when you watch it, but many masters of Aikido had thought the same when they first saw it themselves. Gozo Shioda was famous for this, as he challenged Ueshiba O-sensei during his first visit, and was promptly defeated. He signed up as a live-in pupil the next day (uchi-denshi). The training is fun, and you make many friends!
THE Hombu Dojo that's run by Moriteru Ueshiba, grandson of Morihei Ueshiba, is classified as Aikikai Aikido which is much softer. Yoshinkan was developed by Gozo Shioda, one of Ueshibas senior students and it is more like Aikijujitsu.
For everyone who feels that it's not real, and that what you are seeing here cannot possibly be used on the streets, you're right. This is a demonstration of the techniques we practice at Yoshinkan Aikido, and it's aimed at a very specific audience: the students of Aikido (or those who just enjoy watching it). You can't understand the technique if it's so fast that all the motions are blurs, so the master exaggerates them and makes it slower. In a real fight, everything would end much faster.
4:34 !! Owww. That could have caused some serious injury!! People are always questioning Aikido Falls.. that mere second of bad fall technique combined with some amazing Aikido, could have broken the Uke's arm. This video is impressive. Very strong technique! Truly Amazing!!
An aikidoka should learn to box and practice judo too. These two additional disciplines will considerably improve his aikido. In this way, the aikidoka won't be afraid to throw blows, which will perfect his atemis and the techniques that flow from them. Judo and its dynamics will give him confidence and stability in the event of muscular contact with a person in a hand-to-hand confrontation.
replace the open hand with a fist if you want. this is a demo which means they are showing their skills at tegatana or hand sword. it works well with punching as well :)
with the flow of energy that is created when being attacked it all comes down to the individual whether or not you want to do some serious damage to your attacker.
anyone is entitled to an opinion. im an aikido practitioner by myself, and I would say that the stuff works. i know what a hard throw feels like and it will leave the attacked disabled. on other hand i also do realise that these techniques arent easy to execute in real life with resistance, but not impossible, depends how you practice. having said that,the guy on the video knocks people out easily -)
i had exactly same questions as you. i would say this is one of the best practitioners currently alive, but then again, I judge from my own perception of what Aikido should be. Have a look at the other videos I shared, although they look all similar to people who don't practice :) some schools have introduced self defense as a part of grading by the way
yes that for example ;) mma is nice too, i believe everything has its purpose. nowadays im more into the reality based systems tho.. but i still respect and enjoy my "roots" sports and arts.. i will never deny aikido is esthetically a beautiful art.. thank you for allowing the discussion :)
In Aikido its simple, least energy used but you end up twisting your opponents arm. You don't attack really, you use his attack to take advantage of his balance and take him down with few moves. In boxing, you can't really take down anyone until you punch the person severely, which is very energy consuming and time taking.
Against mid and high kicks yes they have throws and submissions against those like ankle locks,reaps but i have not seen anything on low kicks in aikido.
90% техник показанных здесь, неприменимы в такой форме на хорошем мастере дзюдо, каратэ, айкидо. Хороший мастер никогда не бросается атаковать как эти укэ, бездумно, владывая всю силу, все движение в атаку. Это идеализированная модель.
Like hapkido witch is a korean style of karate and one of my favorite martial arts combines the moves of the different styles of karate with the moves of jujitsu and aikido and judo because judo was made from jujitsu and hapkido has over 2,000 moves and it was made from the korean martial art of hwa rang do witch has alot more weapons and over 4,000 moves you can watch all of these styles on youtube.
The Style that you will train does not really matter so much if you have no intent to go out kick somebody for your own satisfaction. But what will matter over time is the Teacher - If you do not come along well and respect your teacher you will not continue long time enough to get a solid foothold of any style. So look for something that is not to far away from where you live, this way you will train more often and look for a club and a trainer that motivates you.
I have been studying different martial arts for 7 years now including Karate, Bujikan Taijutsu and Aikido and I can tell you as a man who is 6 ft 4 and 270 ilbs Aikido is not only Vary effective but has more power in it just using technique then most other martial arts have while utilizing pure blunt force strength. not every martial art is for everyone and im by no means slamming jujitsu maby at the end of the day your just not built to learn and fully appreciate Aikido.
Many say that aikido isn't efective because it isn't used in mma fights. Aikido is against competition because it goes against its ideal of harmony(=aiki). Aikido is about timing and antecipation. And using the laws of physics. You don't block uke, you get away from puches/kicks and then you take him off balance and use a technique against him. Also many aikido things are just not allowed in mma fights, because they're dangerous to a non practitioner.
I will agree to that and even that I spent much longer time with Aikido. But I can also state that Aikido several times in my life saved my butt in the real world, where the aggressor would not have a clue what was happing even being much larger and stronger. This comes to the fact of fighting in a setup vs being attacked, it´s two very different things, If you yourself have no intention to fight. Any fight is not only about the style it is also very much about the person - I hope you agree.
That's kind of the thing. Once you start any form of forward momentum ideally it is to late. One of the philosophys of Aikido is to come and greet your attacker and basically be come part of a whole movement. So the surest way to beat Takeno would be not to attack him.
cool, I have been wanting to take up martial arts but dont know if which one would be best dont want to take up takewondo or karate, but something like wing chun, akido, maybe even krav maga...but would not how to guage the best one for me, and what I would prefer so I occasionally view them to see if one day I decide to I can know for sure that is the style I want to learn...but aikido looks very effective.
Aikido first appeared during the boxer uprising and is supposed to use an enemies strength against himself. Of course a mma fighter could knock out an aikidoka, but only if he gets to land a punch/kick. Aikido is all about getting out of the line of fire. You're supposed to calm yourself and your enemy down, so that he will stop attacking you by himself. It's not about hurting your enemy (in the original idea) and absolutely defensive.
I wouldn't say aikido has perfect knife defense in my opinion, noone will attack you like in the video by stretching the hand out and waiting (and this is clearly stated by some of the instructors when they teach), however, this is the way to practice, and when you practice long enough you start to understand how you can deal with attacks and enter and still execute the throw you want even though the person draws back, resists or whatever .
Yes its very true what you explain, never the less the opposite hand can be grabbed if the intention is to enter for a neck hold or in a any other attack where you would advance to to rear. Example could be a door man wanting to trow you out. But in general you are right. Actually some russian special forces use a very fast grab and hit to the solar plexus technique. But ì´ll agree it is overall rather rare. Grabbing for the Collar or shoulder is though not so rare in lead ups to fights.
a real master at aikido can do some real damage in MMA, because they will modify it to not violate the rules but enhance their other skills. Theres nothing wrong with learning aikido to increase your hand speed for punches and grappling and/or submission moves will be stronger. If you dont know what rules im talking about violating im referring to small joint manipulation which aikido is known for.
i also understand that this is a demonstration video, but again lets see Aikido in action against seasoned fighters trained in all types of fighting styles, wrestling, submission holds, boxing, muy thai etc..etc..and see how well these aikido techniques work....
And in jeet kune do and jeet kune do unlimted you can use any moves from any martial art be it boxing,aikido,wrestling,hapkido,thai boxing or what ever you use any move from any style you want to or that works for you jeet kune do was made by Bruce Lee and Jeet kune do unlimited was made by Burton Richardson you can watch both of them and all of these styles on youtube.
that rlly genuinly impressed me, u must be the first aikido practitioner to admit its part dancing. :) im not being sarcastic.. i totally agree on it being an art n as such its quite enjoyable. the other part as u know i dont agree so much. say it cud work against committed grabs but thats not what happens most in real self defense.. theres some techniques IMO that can be realistically applied, i estimate it adds up to abt 10% of techniques if applied with the right timing n balance disturbance
It depends on the practitioner. If you practiced for 13 years and could not use it to protect yourself, then my be there is something wrong with your techniques or the person who teaches you is not doing a good job correcting your techniques. In the West I noticed that there is quality issue at some schools/clubs. I just joined Aikido and I got the techniques down faster than most of the black belts in my class.
that is correct. aikido = cooperative training to learn the shape and the center line, and you cant have a cooperative competition right? :). some aikido schools have self defence on the grading syllabus and attakers are asked to hit/grab harder, so it really depends on the teacher. but you wouldnt usually see it in a demo, because aikido has a reputation of peace (and it is. in ancient japan one of the entepretations was that you achieve peace only when all your enemies are dead).
Yes i must correct my own answer to @crunckNATIon - I do not recall any explicit techniques against really low kicks in Aikido. Never the less one could take up a few classes from styles that do and implement them. Before i started Aikido i had been training Taekwondo and some Kung Fu, so I would use what I had learned from that against low kicks.
Right, but what motion is included in hand shaking? Moving into someone, hand extended. Scroll the page down so you can only see the hakama's feet. What does he do? Move off the line of the attack, make his own posture strong, and move the attacker away from himself. He could do the same thing against a straight jab punch, or a hook. I agree that most techniques are initiated in a friendly manner, but you have to look passed that at the forms. Plus, its not like the ukes are being gentle!
grabbing the left historically makes no sense. Aikido comes from Kito Ryu amongst others so there would be traditional weapon disarm moves like shiho nage and kote gaeshi, Morihei Ueshiba synthesized his art from Aikido that has its roots in Yagyu-Shinkage Ryu Kenjutsu (Swordsmanship), Kito-ryu jujutsu, Daito-ryu aikijutsu, and the art of sojutsu (Spearmanship). Most of these were Traditional weapon arts There is a lot of use in hand grabbing in these arts
A lot of what uke (the attacker) does is important training as well: in terms of tempering, break falls, flexibility, coordination, etc. And training is training, neither boxers nor MMA fighters train for a fight by actually fighting full out (how many people could you find to actually fight floyd or pacquiao, for example, to get them ready for a bout?)
@olid686 Once you're caught in the technique (Thus the word "demonstration") you do not want to take damage right ? So you follow the movements and ride his rhythm. Many people see Aikido as just throwing people, they don't see that it also teaches you to fall correctly without hurting yourself.
@riisimees I agree too. no matter how strong you are, once you get caught by an Aikidoist you only have a two chances and that is to tap or submit or do the worst part resist and insist (it only triggers the Aikidoist to have you broken, thinking you still want to fight)
Like i've said before, I have nothing against people liking aikido for the art of it, just don't make all these claims abt it being realistic. It's never been proven in any way despite countless tries of serious martial artists. It's a beautiful esthetic art, n that's all.
That Turkish wrestler video was a demonstration. There's an old video from the 1950's showing what happens when a serious wrestler decides to grapple with an aikido guy. Even when the Aikido guy decides to be the aggressor, the wrestler submits. I'm trying to link to the video, but I can't figure it out.
i kinda thought the same thing with the uncooperative rolling thing, but if you think about it, its aikido vs aikido, so they know to roll, and if the person was uncooperative, theyll probably just get their arm dislocated or broken, so in any kind of way, its pretty effective, but you said youve practiced aikido so i might be wrong :p (im just starting to look into this martial art)
This is most definitely just a demonstration, so if it is expected that they are operating at full prowess obviously they would be easily defeated...however the fact is this is supposed to be over-exaggerated as a show for people to enjoy. Great vid.
Many of the Aikido techniques are prohibited in the UFC, and that is why you don't see it there. However, if it was there, many fighters would be destroyed within seconds, and then it wouldn't be interesting to watch. They make money on people watching it, and it is much better for them to have a longer fight. IF AIKIDO was present in the UFC, one person could just make a wrist lock, and the fight would be over.
...plus i have a bit of street experience so i know the dynamics of a real fight as opposed to what a lot of people think are the dynamics. its not hollywood and its not the dojo. its not even the ring or the octagon, but at least there the opponents are very uncooperative which is realistic in itself.
Perfect Aikido is when your oponent is forced by u to rethink his attack/behavior and that is the main goal not the destruction of your oponent. You can do that in many different ways and sometimes u dont even have to touch a guy to do that. I know a master of Aikido that was chasing guy that insulted him but he didnt want to get him because he knowed that he is no match for him, so he was runing in the same speed... In the end "attacker" was on the ground almost unconscious from fatigue... ;)
3:13 and 3:23 says it all about Aikido. Deadly stuff. I did not know if someone comes running at you all you have to do is move out of the way like in 3:13 or duck like in 3:23 and they will fall over you. This is why its so deadly. You have to be careful with it.
its easier to pick up mma fighting for quicker self defence skills because its mostly about punching and people doing that are obviously getting quicker results while aikido is different and 90% of aikido is a dance anyway, but it doesnt bother me because i love aikido for the sake of art, and its still a "MARTIAL art", not a "martial ART" and there is no point of arguing how a competitive martial art will do in ring because there is no competition in the art. but oh boy techniques do work :)
Let's say I can handle myself by now ;) ill be glad btw to discuss details abt why I think aikido wudnt work against uncooperative opponents, but don't assume I don't know aikido or realistic fighting ..
your right attackers do not run with open arms, they ambush you with, whats the time mate, etc, or screem and shout at you to pump them selves up, then they lash out. Akido/judo/karate etc are useful in this context,
Which video do u mean? Btw I have practiced aikido for over 2 years, and i've been in several serious real life fights, fought in karate and judo competitions. Gud also been a bouncer for a while and a stuntman for 2 years. I do know a bit abt wat can work in real life and what isn't realistic or practical, becos i've tried it all.
as ive said everywhere before, its not about liking aikido. i think its esthetically nice. i just dont think it should be promoted as realistic. i understand everything abt the flips, n if you do too then u know they are just for show, n a misrepresentation of reality. if locks like this are done correctly n succesfully the opponent will go staright down n not flip. if they can can flip, roll or whatever, they can counter it or escape it. i think this discussion has been had before, many times.
If you resist the demonstrator during a demo, your demo will probably be cut very short. So for the sake of the audience they are going into the fall, but you have to in order to resist injury.
It actually wouldn't be much different than mano mano weapon disarming techniques. My Sensei's brother does Eskrima and we cross train with him from time to time. He always talks about the similarities between the arts.
I didn't say mma is perfect for real life fights. It gives de practitioner some basic skills and toughness. I just said aikido is not suitable for either. It's mainly an esthetic art. Like it for that. And by resisting opponents I mean people who are clever enough not to hand out their arms so unnaturally to be manipulated like that. Every half skilled attacker wouldn't. So no grip, no manipulation, and it still ends up in some sort of mma or brawl then, for which aikidoka's aren't trained.
i want to know what would happen in a real fight with an aikido guy because if i am punching and i see my opponent move i can retract my hand superfast and intercept his attack with another or something i mean i know i am superfast hand wise and reaction wise
@groundpounder35 The haters usually fail to realize uke has two options... serious injury, or falling. Guess which way you take if you want to keep practicing... =)
if its a good aikidoka he would look for an opening, enter and clear the boxer by taking/throwing him down, if he is not as good then he will try to catch a wrist and do a steven seagal Hollywood throw (and yes he will most likely catch the boxer's wrist in the face). There are answers to any attacks in Aikido, but then again you won't believe that would you?
@dascoffe That would be pretty easy actually, An Aikido practitioners are taught to take on groups of enemies at once, slinging them around like ragdolls with very little energy involved, Your 200lbs. MMA Cuddle Monster would have a tough time.
my only problem with this is what it somebody throw some kicks, it seem like it is only effective on punches, and high to mid range attack...though I know i would be helpless against this guy myself. But does aikido provide defense against kicks and low attacks is my question?
dude...it doesn't take one month to learn martial arts or fighting. this guy is lethal. it just doesn't show. get your cap on straight man...this isn't a joke. you probably don't believe in karma but it will nip your ass if you don't get a grip
knowing a bit about the real samurai mentality, i agree with that interpretation ;) still a video of such a randori would be very welcome, considering all the other disappointing stuff out there.. do you know of any (not choreographed pls) ?
As a former Deputy Sheriff, having trained in different styles of Aikido I can testify that in most real world situations, Aikido is very effective. Against a highly trained MMA fighter, maybe not so much. Also how you train is a big factor. Being an Aikidoka a is a personal journey. If you want practical real world self defense, you need to seek out a dojo that trains that way. There is something for everyone in Aikido.
Murray Barker "Against a highly trained MMA fighter" - the paradigm for Aikido isn't a ring fight... in a ring fight or competition you have a lot of "game", and Aikido is designed for when your opponent is trying to break you in half, not looking for an oppening, like most street confrontations are... Cheers for making a point on the Aikido Paradigm Vs. Fighting competitions. FYI, I practice Takemusu Aikido.
Rui Almeida Uke has to attack as if his life depends on it ... sincerity into attack is the key
Where do you think the holds you guys use originate?
aikido is effective on a drunk person
The first thing you learn in Aikido, Judo, Jujitsu, or Hapkido is how to fall correctly. The Ukes are doing a great job with their falling techniques.
yea because 2 years is enough to learn a martial art. glad you are still alive from your serious fights :)
The good thing about Aikido is no one can really hit you or grab you and have the advantage, if i cough up money/wallet and they still want to strike, I can break this bone or that bone as long as they don't have a gun. If they have a gun the defense must be a little more deceptive and strategic but still effective.
I would advise you sign up for a class. It helps enormously with inner calm. Aikido helped me become a business coach earning $250/hr at the age of 24. There are many benefits.
Excellent demonstration. I love the move where he simply ducks down and the attacker flies over him! So simple and effective and quite unexpected to the attacker. I need to start taking ninja classes.
look up info on the website and go to the dojo to see classes. if its bad then don't join as simple as that :)
excellent indeed. it's a shame there're only very few people of his caliber left in aikido nowadays..
i try to use aikido when i spar. i mostly have sucess when my sparring partners are the aggressor.
aikido is a beautiful art and truly a self defence art. if anyone had the knoledge of the science behind the physicics, leverage, timing and the human anotomy knowledge they would know that it's not fake and they will appriciate the beauty of the aikido.
CSW student for 5 years now.
billy robinson the master of catch wrestling is the one who opened my mind to a new level.
@ennot: Yes, what your mind believes it can achieve. At the highest level, the practitioner should use energy instead of mechanical techniques and the attacker should not get hurt. I just learned Aikido for almost 3 months now (I go every Sunday) and I now know how to use energy and it is effortless. The senseis in my club teach both hard and soft styles, but I prefer the soft style. I also noticed that some may know how to use ki but don't know how to teach the students.
the leverage, the physics, the flow, the ki/chi..
the science behind this art is beutiful and so presice.
i's hard to see it
I'm interested in making aikido or another martial art in the future; and this video reinforces my desire of learning.
Well, to put it simple, there's a lot a purposes behind those. This is a Demonstration, they wanna see how we block an extended hand (knives thrust). If you're looking for a more realistic fight with Aikido in it, you can find some videos called Jiyu Waza or somethin (where the attackers are free to do anything like Kick, Punch, Elbow Strikes, Grab, and etc). In fact, Aikido is one of the most effective to prevent injuries for both Attackers and Technique Users.
Beautiful. Very nice, at 8:22 you see he ajusts his throw to give the uke a chance to fall correctly. If he simply would have continued the throw it would have been a bad fall. True mastership, being in total control.
To all those who discredit Aikido... please, I urge you to at least try attending a full week worth of class at your local Yoshinkan dojo. I know sometime it can look fake when you watch it, but many masters of Aikido had thought the same when they first saw it themselves. Gozo Shioda was famous for this, as he challenged Ueshiba O-sensei during his first visit, and was promptly defeated. He signed up as a live-in pupil the next day (uchi-denshi). The training is fun, and you make many friends!
THE Hombu Dojo that's run by Moriteru Ueshiba, grandson of Morihei Ueshiba, is classified as Aikikai Aikido which is much softer. Yoshinkan was developed by Gozo Shioda, one of Ueshibas senior students and it is more like Aikijujitsu.
For everyone who feels that it's not real, and that what you are seeing here cannot possibly be used on the streets, you're right. This is a demonstration of the techniques we practice at Yoshinkan Aikido, and it's aimed at a very specific audience: the students of Aikido (or those who just enjoy watching it). You can't understand the technique if it's so fast that all the motions are blurs, so the master exaggerates them and makes it slower. In a real fight, everything would end much faster.
4:34 !! Owww. That could have caused some serious injury!!
People are always questioning Aikido Falls.. that mere second of bad fall technique combined with some amazing Aikido, could have broken the Uke's arm.
This video is impressive. Very strong technique! Truly Amazing!!
An aikidoka should learn to box and practice judo too. These two additional disciplines will considerably improve his aikido. In this way, the aikidoka won't be afraid to throw blows, which will perfect his atemis and the techniques that flow from them. Judo and its dynamics will give him confidence and stability in the event of muscular contact with a person in a hand-to-hand confrontation.
replace the open hand with a fist if you want. this is a demo which means they are showing their skills at tegatana or hand sword. it works well with punching as well :)
with the flow of energy that is created when being attacked it all comes down to the individual whether or not you want to do some serious damage to your attacker.
anyone is entitled to an opinion. im an aikido practitioner by myself, and I would say that the stuff works. i know what a hard throw feels like and it will leave the attacked disabled. on other hand i also do realise that these techniques arent easy to execute in real life with resistance, but not impossible, depends how you practice. having said that,the guy on the video knocks people out easily -)
aikido = a kata based martial art, and every teacher has to adapt it to the present day. but not everyone does because of their interest. a
i had exactly same questions as you. i would say this is one of the best practitioners currently alive, but then again, I judge from my own perception of what Aikido should be. Have a look at the other videos I shared, although they look all similar to people who don't practice :) some schools have introduced self defense as a part of grading by the way
yes that for example ;) mma is nice too, i believe everything has its purpose. nowadays im more into the reality based systems tho.. but i still respect and enjoy my "roots" sports and arts.. i will never deny aikido is esthetically a beautiful art.. thank you for allowing the discussion :)
In Aikido its simple,
least energy used but you end up twisting your opponents arm. You don't attack really, you use his attack to take advantage of his balance and take him down with few moves.
In boxing, you can't really take down anyone until you punch the person severely, which is very energy consuming and time taking.
Against mid and high kicks yes they have throws and submissions against those like ankle locks,reaps but i have not seen anything on low kicks in aikido.
90% техник показанных здесь, неприменимы в такой форме на хорошем мастере дзюдо, каратэ, айкидо. Хороший мастер никогда не бросается атаковать как эти укэ, бездумно, владывая всю силу, все движение в атаку. Это идеализированная модель.
Ahh... I miss Aikido so much.. used to train it for a few years but my knee got very bad...Can't wait for starting it again:)
Like hapkido witch is a korean style of karate and one of my favorite martial arts combines the moves of the different styles of karate with the moves of jujitsu and aikido and judo because judo was made from jujitsu and hapkido has over 2,000 moves and it was made from the korean martial art of hwa rang do witch has alot more weapons and over 4,000 moves you can watch all of these styles on youtube.
The Style that you will train does not really matter so much if you have no intent to go out kick somebody for your own satisfaction. But what will matter over time is the Teacher - If you do not come along well and respect your teacher you will not continue long time enough to get a solid foothold of any style. So look for something that is not to far away from where you live, this way you will train more often and look for a club and a trainer that motivates you.
I have been studying different martial arts for 7 years now including Karate, Bujikan Taijutsu and Aikido and I can tell you as a man who is 6 ft 4 and 270 ilbs Aikido is not only Vary effective but has more power in it just using technique then most other martial arts have while utilizing pure blunt force strength. not every martial art is for everyone and im by no means slamming jujitsu maby at the end of the day your just not built to learn and fully appreciate Aikido.
no way!!!! im into aikido for a short time, other school, not yosinkan, but i do have a huge respect for sensei takeno. Good for you
Best aikido I've ever seen
Many say that aikido isn't efective because it isn't used in mma fights. Aikido is against competition because it goes against its ideal of harmony(=aiki). Aikido is about timing and antecipation. And using the laws of physics. You don't block uke, you get away from puches/kicks and then you take him off balance and use a technique against him. Also many aikido things are just not allowed in mma fights, because they're dangerous to a non practitioner.
Thank you for posting a truly inspiring video!!
I will agree to that and even that I spent much longer time with Aikido. But I can also state that Aikido several times in my life saved my butt in the real world, where the aggressor would not have a clue what was happing even being much larger and stronger. This comes to the fact of fighting in a setup vs being attacked, it´s two very different things, If you yourself have no intention to fight.
Any fight is not only about the style it is also very much about the person - I hope you agree.
That's kind of the thing. Once you start any form of forward momentum ideally it is to late. One of the philosophys of Aikido is to come and greet your attacker and basically be come part of a whole movement. So the surest way to beat Takeno would be not to attack him.
cool, I have been wanting to take up martial arts but dont know if which one would be best dont want to take up takewondo or karate, but something like wing chun, akido, maybe even krav maga...but would not how to guage the best one for me, and what I would prefer so I occasionally view them to see if one day I decide to I can know for sure that is the style I want to learn...but aikido looks very effective.
Aikido first appeared during the boxer uprising and is supposed to use an enemies strength against himself. Of course a mma fighter could knock out an aikidoka, but only if he gets to land a punch/kick. Aikido is all about getting out of the line of fire. You're supposed to calm yourself and your enemy down, so that he will stop attacking you by himself. It's not about hurting your enemy (in the original idea) and absolutely defensive.
NEVER shake this man's hand!!!! u will regret it so much
I wouldn't say aikido has perfect knife defense in my opinion, noone will attack you like in the video by stretching the hand out and waiting (and this is clearly stated by some of the instructors when they teach), however, this is the way to practice, and when you practice long enough you start to understand how you can deal with attacks and enter and still execute the throw you want even though the person draws back, resists or whatever .
Only the one who never practiced aikido can tell that is bullshit
Yes its very true what you explain, never the less the opposite hand can be grabbed if the intention is to enter for a neck hold or in a any other attack where you would advance to to rear. Example could be a door man wanting to trow you out. But in general you are right. Actually some russian special forces use a very fast grab and hit to the solar plexus technique. But ì´ll agree it is overall rather rare. Grabbing for the Collar or shoulder is though not so rare in lead ups to fights.
a real master at aikido can do some real damage in MMA, because they will modify it to not violate the rules but enhance their other skills. Theres nothing wrong with learning aikido to increase your hand speed for punches and grappling and/or submission moves will be stronger. If you dont know what rules im talking about violating im referring to small joint manipulation which aikido is known for.
i also understand that this is a demonstration video, but again lets see Aikido in action against seasoned fighters trained in all types of fighting styles, wrestling, submission holds, boxing, muy thai etc..etc..and see how well these aikido techniques work....
i see the essence aikido as this... minimal effort, maximum damage... 100% effective!
And in jeet kune do and jeet kune do unlimted you can use any moves from any martial art be it boxing,aikido,wrestling,hapkido,thai boxing or what ever you use any move from any style you want to or that works for you jeet kune do was made by Bruce Lee and Jeet kune do unlimited was made by Burton Richardson you can watch both of them and all of these styles on youtube.
Deadly shit. Now I know what to do when someone grabs my wrist and waits for me to do something. Thank you
I'm a Mix Martial Artist and Aikido Artist.. Both are great forms once there mix. and I have a 21-3 Record!
that rlly genuinly impressed me, u must be the first aikido practitioner to admit its part dancing. :) im not being sarcastic.. i totally agree on it being an art n as such its quite enjoyable. the other part as u know i dont agree so much. say it cud work against committed grabs but thats not what happens most in real self defense.. theres some techniques IMO that can be realistically applied, i estimate it adds up to abt 10% of techniques if applied with the right timing n balance disturbance
It depends on the practitioner. If you practiced for 13 years and could not use it to protect yourself, then my be there is something wrong with your techniques or the person who teaches you is not doing a good job correcting your techniques. In the West I noticed that there is quality issue at some schools/clubs. I just joined Aikido and I got the techniques down faster than most of the black belts in my class.
that is correct. aikido = cooperative training to learn the shape and the center line, and you cant have a cooperative competition right? :). some aikido schools have self defence on the grading syllabus and attakers are asked to hit/grab harder, so it really depends on the teacher. but you wouldnt usually see it in a demo, because aikido has a reputation of peace (and it is. in ancient japan one of the entepretations was that you achieve peace only when all your enemies are dead).
Yes i must correct my own answer to @crunckNATIon - I do not recall any explicit techniques against really low kicks in Aikido. Never the less one could take up a few classes from styles that do and implement them. Before i started Aikido i had been training Taekwondo and some Kung Fu, so I would use what I had learned from that against low kicks.
Right, but what motion is included in hand shaking? Moving into someone, hand extended. Scroll the page down so you can only see the hakama's feet. What does he do? Move off the line of the attack, make his own posture strong, and move the attacker away from himself.
He could do the same thing against a straight jab punch, or a hook.
I agree that most techniques are initiated in a friendly manner, but you have to look passed that at the forms. Plus, its not like the ukes are being gentle!
Thank you for the reply, much appreciated....
So, who else feels bad for the guy being thrown all over the floor?
grabbing the left historically makes no sense.
Aikido comes from Kito Ryu amongst others so there would be traditional weapon disarm moves like shiho nage and kote gaeshi, Morihei Ueshiba synthesized his art from Aikido that has its roots in Yagyu-Shinkage Ryu Kenjutsu (Swordsmanship), Kito-ryu jujutsu, Daito-ryu aikijutsu, and the art of sojutsu (Spearmanship). Most of these were Traditional weapon arts
There is a lot of use in hand grabbing in these arts
A lot of what uke (the attacker) does is important training as well: in terms of tempering, break falls, flexibility, coordination, etc. And training is training, neither boxers nor MMA fighters train for a fight by actually fighting full out (how many people could you find to actually fight floyd or pacquiao, for example, to get them ready for a bout?)
@olid686 Once you're caught in the technique (Thus the word "demonstration") you do not want to take damage right ? So you follow the movements and ride his rhythm. Many people see Aikido as just throwing people, they don't see that it also teaches you to fall correctly without hurting yourself.
@riisimees I agree too. no matter how strong you are, once you get caught by an Aikidoist you only have a two chances and that is to tap or submit or do the worst part resist and insist (it only triggers the Aikidoist to have you broken, thinking you still want to fight)
Like i've said before, I have nothing against people liking aikido for the art of it, just don't make all these claims abt it being realistic. It's never been proven in any way despite countless tries of serious martial artists. It's a beautiful esthetic art, n that's all.
That Turkish wrestler video was a demonstration. There's an old video from the 1950's showing what happens when a serious wrestler decides to grapple with an aikido guy. Even when the Aikido guy decides to be the aggressor, the wrestler submits. I'm trying to link to the video, but I can't figure it out.
i kinda thought the same thing with the uncooperative rolling thing, but if you think about it, its aikido vs aikido, so they know to roll, and if the person was uncooperative, theyll probably just get their arm dislocated or broken, so in any kind of way, its pretty effective, but you said youve practiced aikido so i might be wrong :p (im just starting to look into this martial art)
This is most definitely just a demonstration, so if it is expected that they are operating at full prowess obviously they would be easily defeated...however the fact is this is supposed to be over-exaggerated as a show for people to enjoy. Great vid.
Many of the Aikido techniques are prohibited in the UFC, and that is why you don't see it there. However, if it was there, many fighters would be destroyed within seconds, and then it wouldn't be interesting to watch. They make money on people watching it, and it is much better for them to have a longer fight. IF AIKIDO was present in the UFC, one person could just make a wrist lock, and the fight would be over.
...plus i have a bit of street experience so i know the dynamics of a real fight as opposed to what a lot of people think are the dynamics. its not hollywood and its not the dojo. its not even the ring or the octagon, but at least there the opponents are very uncooperative which is realistic in itself.
The answer is yes, kicks and low attacks can be countered but unfortunately it is not trained nearly enough in many Dojo´s.
Perfect Aikido is when your oponent is forced by u to rethink his attack/behavior and that is the main goal not the destruction of your oponent. You can do that in many different ways and sometimes u dont even have to touch a guy to do that. I know a master of Aikido that was chasing guy that insulted him but he didnt want to get him because he knowed that he is no match for him, so he was runing in the same speed... In the end "attacker" was on the ground almost unconscious from fatigue... ;)
3:13 and 3:23 says it all about Aikido. Deadly stuff. I did not know if someone comes running at you all you have to do is move out of the way like in 3:13 or duck like in 3:23 and they will fall over you. This is why its so deadly. You have to be careful with it.
Uke makes half-hearted attack, then takes disproportionately dangerous ukemi.
its easier to pick up mma fighting for quicker self defence skills because its mostly about punching and people doing that are obviously getting quicker results while aikido is different and 90% of aikido is a dance anyway, but it doesnt bother me because i love aikido for the sake of art, and its still a "MARTIAL art", not a "martial ART" and there is no point of arguing how a competitive martial art will do in ring because there is no competition in the art. but oh boy techniques do work :)
Is Yoshinkan aikido similar to aikido practiced at the Hombu dojo? I dont think I have ever seen aikido techniques this rough before....very powerful
I would add Systema. Both work in most situations, but it is difficult to defeat a boxer with that since the punches are too fast to grab.
Ju no geiko in perfection !!! Impressive
Let's say I can handle myself by now ;) ill be glad btw to discuss details abt why I think aikido wudnt work against uncooperative opponents, but don't assume I don't know aikido or realistic fighting ..
your right attackers do not run with open arms, they ambush you with, whats the time mate, etc, or screem and shout at you to pump them selves up, then they lash out. Akido/judo/karate etc are useful in this context,
Akido looks like a martial arts where you train to beat the shit out of people trying to shake your hand...
Which video do u mean? Btw I have practiced aikido for over 2 years, and i've been in several serious real life fights, fought in karate and judo competitions. Gud also been a bouncer for a while and a stuntman for 2 years. I do know a bit abt wat can work in real life and what isn't realistic or practical, becos i've tried it all.
as ive said everywhere before, its not about liking aikido. i think its esthetically nice. i just dont think it should be promoted as realistic. i understand everything abt the flips, n if you do too then u know they are just for show, n a misrepresentation of reality. if locks like this are done correctly n succesfully the opponent will go staright down n not flip. if they can can flip, roll or whatever, they can counter it or escape it. i think this discussion has been had before, many times.
Does anyone know the name of the move he demonstrates @1:03 please? Thank you
If you resist the demonstrator during a demo, your demo will probably be cut very short. So for the sake of the audience they are going into the fall, but you have to in order to resist injury.
L'aikido n'est pas un art martial c'est surtout de la defence
J'adore !!!!
I wanna see this on youtube!
がんばってよ合気道か！
It actually wouldn't be much different than mano mano weapon disarming techniques. My Sensei's brother does Eskrima and we cross train with him from time to time. He always talks about the similarities between the arts.
awesome video!!!
cool just curious I am obviously no martial arts master but I like this style of martial art.
I didn't say mma is perfect for real life fights. It gives de practitioner some basic skills and toughness. I just said aikido is not suitable for either. It's mainly an esthetic art. Like it for that. And by resisting opponents I mean people who are clever enough not to hand out their arms so unnaturally to be manipulated like that. Every half skilled attacker wouldn't. So no grip, no manipulation, and it still ends up in some sort of mma or brawl then, for which aikidoka's aren't trained.
i want to know what would happen in a real fight with an aikido guy because if i am punching and i see my opponent move i can retract my hand superfast and intercept his attack with another or something i mean i know i am superfast hand wise and reaction wise
@groundpounder35 The haters usually fail to realize uke has two options... serious injury, or falling. Guess which way you take if you want to keep practicing... =)
if its a good aikidoka he would look for an opening, enter and clear the boxer by taking/throwing him down, if he is not as good then he will try to catch a wrist and do a steven seagal Hollywood throw (and yes he will most likely catch the boxer's wrist in the face). There are answers to any attacks in Aikido, but then again you won't believe that would you?
@dascoffe That would be pretty easy actually, An Aikido practitioners are taught to take on groups of enemies at once, slinging them around like ragdolls with very little energy involved, Your 200lbs. MMA Cuddle Monster would have a tough time.
my only problem with this is what it somebody throw some kicks, it seem like it is only effective on punches, and high to mid range attack...though I know i would be helpless against this guy myself. But does aikido provide defense against kicks and low attacks is my question?
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The cheap mall music is what really makes this clip a youtube hit!
You also cannot grab the gloves in an MMA fight, which is likely why it is not used.
Aikido is very effective, but only against your own students.
@Vantaso an attacker on the ground is an attacker there can not be attack
dude...it doesn't take one month to learn martial arts or fighting. this guy is lethal. it just doesn't show. get your cap on straight man...this isn't a joke. you probably don't believe in karma but it will nip your ass if you don't get a grip
knowing a bit about the real samurai mentality, i agree with that interpretation ;) still a video of such a randori would be very welcome, considering all the other disappointing stuff out there.. do you know of any (not choreographed pls) ?
Excellent Aikido demonstration.
Excellent porn (circa 1985) music too. -.-'