OMG, not only is Eclipse's design FANTASTIC, but those eyes are TERRIFYING! They arent like Earth's or Lunars. They have depth, they move without blinking, or the rest of the face moving. But this explains so much. Eclipse's first appearance and his monolague at the bunker felt forced, like he was reading off a script. Turns out he's just confused and going through the motions. Now I think Ruin is innocent, but maybe the previous Ruin made Eclipse
eclipse sounds so tired. remembering that his last words before his second death were "i've died once before. i think i'm tired". it makes so much sense if he was brought back by somebody the third time against his own will. i feel so bad for him ://
Honestly at the start I kinda felt bad for this "New" Eclipse , since the dude was just "Why i am alive ? What is my purpose?" , but Ruin accidently give him purpose and that was the biggest mistake 😂 Also Sun and Castor playing games because they are hard workers ? the best duo 👍
I had a feeling Ruin was innocent but seriously the poor man needs help because I can imagine this will only lead to him going absolutely insane by the whole process of this
Yeah also eclipse might get a redemption ark cus the sign in earth finds a purpose has eclipses redemption which make me think that eclipse is gonna get a redemption ark
*Seeing Ruin get kidnapped fills you with violence* *RUIN WANTING TO HELP ECLIPSE MENTAL HEALTH FILLS YOU WITH DETERMINATION!❤️* *seeing Eclipse denying and wanting to torture Ruin fills you with delusion.* 9:07 *DAMN- MY DIRTY MIND IS GOING TO SATURN AND BACK*
Things I've learned - Eclipse doesn't know jow he's alive - he sounds really dead inside although i guess thats what being dead for months does to you - I honestly think Ruin is innocent - Eclipse doesn't seem ok.. and I'm a little worried about him. He seems more cooperative and is willing to just talk to Ruin. And i can tell somethings wrong from the tone of his voice - Ruin wants to help Eclipse mentally, if you remember in a previous thumbnail it said something about Eclipse's redemption. I think Ruins the answer - Eclipse is gonna torture Ruin... ECLIPSE I SWEAR IF YOU HURT A SINGLE RAY ON RUINS HEAD YOU'LL BE WISHING YOU STAYED DEAD 🤬
Im just as confused as Eclipse right now. Poor guy. Ruin seems just as clueless. What the heck is going on. Why do I have a strange need to see Ruin actually bond and mentally heal Eclipse? As for Castor and Sun- WORK-AHOLICS FTW heck yeah I wanna see them play.
HE IS REAL!!!!! I CAN BE HAPPY NOW!!!! So Ruin might be innocent after all. But I am still on the fence. But we are finally getting more answers and clues ❤ Eclipse sounds so confused and lost. His memories are scattered. Does he remember his death because it was put into him? “I don’t need therapy.” Oh honey yes you do, I will drag you to Earth’s office myself if I have to ❤ Ayyy looks like we might get a Sun and Castor vibby game!!
But it does beg the question who brought him back. If it wasn’t ruined, then who was it the creator is a good gas and vanny is also a possibility, but I don’t think it’s her she doesn’t like eclipse
Eclipse has officially lost his damn mind! He's just seems so dazed it's honestly so weird, he seems so odd, and now he's just questioning his existence (Edit, how did my comment get so many likes???)
Before I watch, I will say I think Ruin is not evil, at least not fully. Sure the virus might be present, but I think it might take control only for certain periods of time. Ruin DID say previously that he did not like Eclipse either
I agree, though in a different theory. I think the virus never went away and he is just acting like it did. I think he has changed once he saw how the others can act if he was actually nice.
I actually have a different theory. I think emotionally, he got scars from the virus. i mean, think about a completely new place. He learned what he has done under, not to mention how much damage he was in. i wouldn't say he is bad but most likely very, very paranoid, possibly wondering if the the anti virus moon made worked at all or if it just put him back in control and now he just wondering if he'll just get locked up allover again
Agreed, Ruin is NOT evil, he’s really nice & trying to help Sun, Solar & Moon. :( :) He hasn’t done anything wrong❤❤. Sigh… Eclipse. Hopefully this made sense❤❤
Im sticking to my theory that ruins virus can switch in and out at times. Like when Eclipse said something like “I don’t think you know what your doing” and how he switched to being scared to slowly giving him a reason or motive
hearing eclipse so lost and dazed was a gut punch when i was so excited to see him again, and having Ruin be such a sweet and terrified lil captive just made it into a knife twist.
I’m very confused if R.E is evil or not. Hopefully this episode gives us answers 👍 BRO ECLIPSE IS SO MUCH CREEPIER ITS TERRIFYING 😭😭😭 8:02 *intense breath in* YES YOU DO
I actually started to get teary eyed from where it was so creepy, especially with his eyes moving, I thought when Bloodmoon could move his mouth was terrifying, this is so, so much worse
Is eclipse a ghost? He seems to behave like a confused and lost or vengeful spirit and the way he sorta just phases in and out like that is odd, plus he said he woke up in the hallway…a liminal space
Ruin has my respect. He wants to help Eclipse, even though Eclipse wants to hurt others still... but there is a slight change here.. I wonder if Eclipse.. will decide to be friends with at least, Ruin? 🤔 Eclipse's new design is just so fantastic!🎉
It would make sense if his mind still works the same. "Well he is right there and its not like the twins will know." Eclipse is always lonely so it makes sense.
Leave poor Ruin alone, _please don’t torture him!_ 😭😭😭 They need to save him, and possibly give him therapy. I _really_ want to see his reaction to the fact that Moon and Solar read his diary, and know how insecure he is about living with them 😭 At least he stayed calm in that situation, and I love that he tried to offer Eclipse therapy 😂 He’s so sweet! Eclipse seems messed up, he doesn’t know what’s going on. It’s pretty clear if it was the creator that he’s used Eclipse as a distraction for whatever he’s scheming. I find it interesting how Eclipse is doing things, like revealing himself, and then questioning _why_ afterwards. Sun struggling to explain the concept of a cowboy to Castor had me laughing so much 😂😂😂 I kinda want to see him and Pollux interact with the others more, and I’m glad Sun’s trying to help Castor to find a way to relax in a way he can enjoy, because while being dragged to different places is a nice, and thoughtful, gesture, I think travel is more of Pollux’s thing than his 😂
Ruin being afraid brings me genuine sadness. I just want to give this man a hug. I don’t care if he ends up being evil or if he’s actually good, he’s scared and I want to comfort him :3
Okay, I am happy Ruin isn't evil. I do have a theory, when Eclipse said that Ruin re built him, I was thinking. What if when Ruin had the virus, he built Eclipse. But didn't finish it? And now the creator continue rebuilding Eclipse. I kinda feel bad for Eclipse. He sounded sad and confused. But I am angry at him for wanting to turture Ruin. Let's hope Sun and Moon find Ruin before Eclispe does something to him!!
Man Eclipse sounds like he wish he was dead still, he sounds like… idk it worries me but at the same time makes me feel bad for him… like… yeah he is bad but he didn’t even wanted to be alive again, mixed emotions about this
Interesting that nit even Eclipse knows what is going on. But he does show how smart he is, that he can pick up on Ruin being the odd one out--whether or nor Ruin really was the one who remade him. ...still a bit disappointed there was no fistfight over Bloodmoon designs, though.
Eclipse needs a redemption arc so dang badly, i am not even joking here. Poor guy doesn't even know why or how he's back. Granted, he is going to try going after the creator, so i guess that puts them all at having a common enemy. It's a stepping stone, sorta. God, just please give the man a redemption. He isn't a lost cause yet, even if his motives are similar. He just wants answers. I won't defend what he did in the past, but please give this new Eclipse the redemption he needs. He remembers how he last died, which means he could likely still be close to how he was back then. To be frank, i would also be mad if i was brought back after being killed for trying to deliver a warning so i get it, but please help this Eclipse before he spirals again!
@@themoldygingerbreadman the backup at least tried to change, even if it was close to the end for him. This new one is showing some internal conflict. He is also Solar at his base since Solar's code was used to bring him back.
3:26 that’s terrifying. “w-why am I d-doing this….” why is he acting like this. He has no idea of what happened…. Ruin is going through to much rn, why him?
Welp there goes my theory- It's interesting and hilarious to see that even Eclipse is confused by his own existence. As much as I distrust Ruin still, I do hope he gets rescued soon. Also, Castor and/or Pollux *_better_* tell Lunar Eclipse is alive.
ahhhh I’m curious as to how this will go! 0:37 oh ok eclipses eyes 👀 2:39 heyyy eclipse is suspicious of ruin not surprising 3:05 omg I just love eclipses eyes, it’s new and kinda creepy 5:53 hmm I have ideas 8:01 yes you do need therapy eclipse 9:01 oh wow his eyes during that moment 😂 10:17 Alex right? 😂 sun lol 12:01 ah that 12:47 I started laughing immediately at that omg 😂😂😂 13:02 lol
Omg he actually got taken.. YOU TOOK RUIN CAUSE HE'S DEFENSELESS??? Oh my god. He is the one Sun and Moon killed and he doesn't even know how he's back. Even Eclipse suspects Ruin made him. What in the -- Eclipse was programmed with commands.. I feel even more strongly now that Rodrick is creating an army. Maybe he even overtook Ruin to make Eclipse at this point but I honestly don't want that. So Eclipse _was_ configured from Solar's _code_ Ruin wants to help Eclipse's mental state? Oh that's amazing in a way. Don't _torture_ him?! 🫥 [Insert multiple swear words] 🤨🤨🤨 SUN! ❤ It's been a while (in show) Get'em Castor!! You get'em! (Eclipse, not the others) Castor's pretty intimidating, not gonna lie. Sun asking when he ever relaxed 😂 Sun/Castor friendship is something I never considered and it's kinda glorious.
So so glad Ruin isnt evil (that or hes good at acting and sensed the camera lol but it looks like he wouldve done the exact opposite if that were the case) but i hope he survives 😭
Okay, so this proves that Ruin is on our side and didn't build Eclipse and that it was the creator who rebuilt him to distract sun and moon so he can complete his plan without being interrupted. Also, Eclipse is very confused about being alive after he was killed and wants to find answers of why he was rebuilt again and probably will make the creator PAY for bringing him back. I hope moon and Solar will find Ruin before he gets tortured by Eclipse...😰
ECLIPSE I SWEAR DO NOT TOUCH MY SILLY BRITISH BOY 2:30 so he doesn't know why or how he's back either, interesting 8:35 WHAT DID I JUST SAY Also Castors and Suns interactions was so funny and sweet :)
Anyone happy that The Sun and Moon Show posted another video? I am not gonna lie I'm happy 😇... (Ik they post everyday but I mean about VR videos 👁️👄👁️)
Okay, okay, i get it, Eclipse is the bad guy and stuff BUT CAN WE APPRECIATE THOES DESIGNS???? THEY'RE SO BEAUTIFUL (not only Eclipse's but Ruin's too, they look so good 😍❤️)
The Creator bringing back Eclipse makes more sense than Ruin rebuilding him. I still have high hopes that Ruin is innocent and that he'll get rescued from his predicament.
Eclipse stop being a pain and leave everyone alone challenge go! (mission impossible) Honestly hoping nothing bad happens to Ruin 8:02 Ruin is so real for saying Eclipse clearly needs therapy 😭 8:26 ECLIPSE,WHEN I CATCH YOU ECLIPSE 😠
@@GalaxyGaming334 maybe it's just a different animatronic but with the memories of eclipse like blood moon you know like how that's not the same blood moon but he has the same memory's
THE GODS HAVE POSTED I don’t trust Ruin but I actually feel bad for Ruin right now Eclipses eyes moving scares me 😂 Eclipse does need therapy… I bet Eclipse is going to get a redemption arc! I just know it! 8:31 never mind.. 8:47 Eclipse just scares me now.. the left part of his face scares me the most 😭 9:14 eclipses laugh… now I’m scared even more… poor Ruin.. I don’t trust him still but I feel bad for him 😭 IF ECLIPSE TRIES TO GO AFTER SUN IM GOING TO CRY Sun trying to explain what a cowboy is, is me trying to explain why BloodMoon is my favorite character and me trying to explain the whole lore of something to people
My word, poor Ruin, and with the drops thinking they're not trusting, are they even gonna believe they're actually kidnapped? (Commenting before watching the full video) Edit after watching; Okay wow, First of all, Sunny astral bonding with castor, love that. Second, uh oh, poor Ruin. Accidentally gave Eclipse an idea, we all know moon won't take that well when he finds them, if he is the one to find them, I can think of alot of angst for Ruin tbh- hope they doesn't actually break!
I'm in love with angst. I love seeing the characters cry bcs sun and moon show animatics will have their best work ever and it would be great to get to know their feelings and fears. But suddenly they hit you with a "meanwhile" of sun and moon being silly. THINGS STARTED TO GET JUICY WDYM 😭 Edit: They better make a vid of eclispe torturing ruin and sun and moon saving him
…..words cannot express how odd it is, seeing Eclipse so confused about his own existence and actually expressing it. I was so ready to pin the blame for his return on Ruin, since there was so much evidence and things stacked against him, but now, I’m questioning that. Also. Help. Castor enjoying work and seriousness. I can’t. That’s amazing, and it makes total sense.
Hope Ruin will be okay Edit: Well hopefully someone finds Ruin before Eclipse does what he is going to do to him also I think Caster was a bit late when Eclipse has star power
I don’t like castor he’s too smug at times I get it, they could’ve hurt lunar, but that was lunar choice. It was the only way they had to get rid of for Gore
I swear this new eclipse is just insane and I think he has amnesia at this point but I do feel bad for ruin. It’s nice seeing sun helping castor take a break and funny how he had to explain cowboys.
0:10 Clipsy! :D We finally get to see his model up close! 0:18 OH GOSH HIS EYES ARE GLOWING XD 1:37 XD THE WAY HE LOOKS AWAY WITH HIS EYES 4:04 That’s because your orange so it makes sense 7:40 Clipsy is right, no offense to Ruin Eclipse XD I mean Ruin Eclipse is the same person who threw tic tacs on the ground lmao 8:17 That little laugh! 😭 9:10 His little laugh! 😭 9:43 “Bruh” LMAO XD 10:17 Sunny could not tell the difference XD Are we going to get a gaming video with Sunny and Castor next? That’s going to be fun!
So far, things ain't goin' well for the possibility of an Eclipse redemption, with both Eclipse's actions towards Ruin being threatening, his clear plans to continue hurting people, and even the Astral Bodies' plans to take him prisoner- I do believe Castor said he was going to be "tried," as in trial in a court of law. Space law. The ending was pretty cute, I think it's endearing that Sun offered up a game for Castor to play. But also, when can we watch Sun himself play Red Dead? :0c /nf
I've had a theory about Ruin for a while now but this video made me think more so that it could be true: The theory is basically that the cure that Sun gave Ruin wasn't a perfect/total cure and caused normal Ruin and Virus Ruin to split, resulting in Virus Ruin becoming his own personality that normal Ruin is unaware of and Virus Ruin will occasionally take over, hence why Ruin will act so suspicious in some episodes and normal in others, whenever he acts suspicious it's the virus Ruin taking over. For any folks who want my theory to be explained in more detail, here: Basically, since when Moon tried to get rid of his Killcode the Killcode became sentient and its own person- It also spawned Eclipse- so who's to say that when Sun gave the cure to Ruin it wasn't a full cure so that either the virus would temporarily take back control of Ruin for periods of time which would explain why he sometimes acts suspicious in some episodes and normal in others. OR, the one that I believe more, is that the cure caused the virus and Ruin to separate and now the virus version of Ruin has more or less become sentient and its own person and has been taking control of Ruin's body sporadically, also explaining why Ruin acts so suspicious in some videos and normal in others. The virus version of Ruin was shown to be VERY tech savy since he made BloodMoon, so since we revived Bloodmoon I also believe he'd revive Eclipse. I'm kinda proud of my theory tbh and hope some of ya'll liked reading it👍 Edit: After reading more of the RUclips comments I see that I'm definitely not the first one to comment about this this, I think I may have just been the first to explain it in depth😅
I know this disproves my theory somewhat but I still believe Ruin was the reason. Sure, it could be the creator but I’m still unconvinced. Also, Ruin keeps saying “I barely know how to fix an arcade machine”, yet he used schematics to build his own body. Those parts could’ve been what was found in his area but also Eclipse uses the same required parts that Ruin does. I think this part might be more confusing than the FNAF timeline.
Eclipse seems confused..... the fact that he suspected that Ruin made him like moon tells me that somebody made it seem that way. Its possible that the virus clings onto ruins code slowly forming into a sun and moon situation or it could be phantom Freddy or Vannie.
Lot of people saying ruin gave eclipse a purpose here by accident but…if I recall virus infected ruin hated the creator as well. Something is definitely up with this version of eclipse, as he said he just announced himself, that isn’t like him doing that without a plan. I’m thinking he has some kind of subtle directive nudging his actions. In addition ruin offering to mentally fix eclipse seems innocent but I’m unsure. The moving eyes on the eclipse model is an excellent creepy addition that makes him feel more off too.
A lot of people are thinking Vanny it’s the one who brought him back, but I don’t think so, because she took over after solar was knocked out not before
Guys The "Sun will die" thing The "Im gonna slice you to ribbons" line The taking victims apart with intention to do it to Sun and Moon Its not looking good for Sun guys
Theory time people ✨ First can we talk about how Eclipse sounds like a dead ass robot like his voice just went 5 octaves lower then usual and he seemed very confused about what he was doing and how he was brought back. Also how he introduced himself to early and started getting stressed or something not knowing why he was brought back. I really thought it was Ruin who did it and brought him back after what Lord Eclipse said and just based on my own theories, but now I don’t know anymore. It could have been the creator..but why would he do it? I mean ruin did have a good point about the creator wanting to distract moon and sun from killing him though I think it was just him wanting to give them more problems because he could have easily taken care of them if they went after him. Honestly at this point we just have to wait for more lore to get a clear idea on why eclipse is acting like a robot and who brought him back and another question not regarding any of that. What will the stich- wraith and what’s going on with Bloodmoon? Like what will he do next wise…anyways just thought I would theorize a bit here after what we just watched and just about the other lore videos. This is a whole lot to take in though hehe anyways I hope everyone has a good day or night bye
Poor Ruin… I have a feeling he’s not evil, but that the virus does sort of still linger. And also, was wondering when castor was gonna show up about the thing solar made. And yay they’re going to try and take care of eclipse! But also can’t the astral bodies see everything? Wouldn’t they know where eclipse is? Anyway, lot to unpack here.
Ah Eclipse, you very much are in need of serious, intensive therapy. And he gets another chance at life and he is just as directionless as he has always been. I think he defaults to 'make Sun and Moon suffer' because he literally can't figure out what to do with himself otherwise. He is horrible but I do pity him. But I think there was a spark of wanting to change, before he died. I hope that has carried over to this new iteration of him. One thing about redemption arcs, is they are not really about if a character *deserves* them or not. They are about if a character is willing to make a *choice* to go down that road, and to keep going even when its hard, and to keep going even if the wronged party does not forgive them. I do hope he makes that choice, and makes some actual positive relationships... but Eclipse has always been a tragedy of his own making. And, thats not even considering if the Astral Bodies don't kill him first.
This episode is just. . . . . Amazing! I believe Eclipse is actually more evil than before. Like, in the past, he was just a thorn in the gang's side or just being bored and not doing much; now he is actually trying to make Sun, Moon, Solar and the others' lives a literal nightmare by kidnapping Ruin and trying to use Lunar, who is 1/2 star by the way! His design is actually nightmare fuel (I won't be sleeping tonight). HIM THREATENING RUIN, I SWEAR IF HE KILLS OUR BRITISH GOOFBALL I WILL-! My theory is that when he was questioning his existance, he was intending to make us - the fans - feel sorry for him, considering the fact that he said "I missed being like this", and he used to trick us by using Sun's voice. And also he should remember his manipulative ways in the past if he knows about his death; so, it makes sense for him to go back to his manipulative ways again, although he could also be doing the same thing when he asks Ruin who else could have brought him back. Before I forget, ECLIPSE NEEDS THERAPY!! Anyways, I think when Solar and Moon come to save Ruin, Eclipse will have some sort of trick up his sleeve like what he did back at Moon's bunker, and maybe trap them so he can get to Lunar. Keep up the great work and give some extra credit to the thumbnail artists Edit: Also Eclipse's maniacal laugh. . . . . Round of applause to Davis ❤
Does anyone notice that Eclipse seems more logical? More computer-like? Less emotional, yet more blaming then manipulative
i noticed when he spoke its apperant....
I noticed it to he seemed dead inside
Agree, it makes sense hes tired of existing. i mean he gave up and accepted his death when he got shot by the satellite
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@@gamingwithlisa not only that, but his memories may be a little mixed up because he doesn’t remember that
Sun: "Do you find something in your life enjoyable"
Caster: "Working"
Sun:"Eoh"
OMG, not only is Eclipse's design FANTASTIC, but those eyes are TERRIFYING! They arent like Earth's or Lunars. They have depth, they move without blinking, or the rest of the face moving.
But this explains so much. Eclipse's first appearance and his monolague at the bunker felt forced, like he was reading off a script. Turns out he's just confused and going through the motions.
Now I think Ruin is innocent, but maybe the previous Ruin made Eclipse
That's what I was thinking! Either the old ruin made eclipse and didn't quite finish him in time, or the Creator had a hand in it
I say both of you make sense combined
Ruin got fixed then the creator found the body of eclipse and then fixed him fully
eclipse sounds so tired. remembering that his last words before his second death were "i've died once before. i think i'm tired". it makes so much sense if he was brought back by somebody the third time against his own will. i feel so bad for him ://
BRO PULLED OUT THE WILLAM AFTON CARD
@@meh1637 Naw someone pulled out that card then slapped him in the face with it
*Eclipse questioning himself and everything fills you with confusion*
Like Eclipse, bro, STOP QUOTING THANOS -
@@StarLynxStudiosAHHAHAH 🤣🤣
Agreed😅
@@StarLynxStudiosI thought it was a same Undertale quote 😂
@@LUNARMUSHR00MS Eclipse gives that main evil psychopath villain vibe
Honestly at the start I kinda felt bad for this "New" Eclipse , since the dude was just "Why i am alive ? What is my purpose?" , but Ruin accidently give him purpose and that was the biggest mistake 😂
Also Sun and Castor playing games because they are hard workers ? the best duo 👍
For once i feel bad for him
I still hate him
Dang seeing how well drawn that thumbnail was and how terrified Ruin looked actually literally made my stomach feel sick-
Same here mate
Same!
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Poor ruin, first being blamed of being evil then being kidnapped 😂
I know
Ik he need a break
And if Solar and Moon don't find him in time then he'll get tortured too...I feel so bad for him ughh
I don't feel bad I don't trust him at all.
@@Solars.number1fanI know I love ruin
Seeing eclipse asking brain confusing questions fills you with brain rot
I’m quite concerned for Eclipse, and poor Ruin is just so confused
I had a feeling Ruin was innocent but seriously the poor man needs help because I can imagine this will only lead to him going absolutely insane by the whole process of this
I believed in him the whole time I still think he knows more than he's letting on tho
Probably but we'll have to see where it goes from here
Yeah also eclipse might get a redemption ark cus the sign in earth finds a purpose has eclipses redemption which make me think that eclipse is gonna get a redemption ark
@@addhandlehereta i feel like he knows things but isn't telling sun and moon to protect them, maybe things from his creator or his universe
*Seeing Ruin get kidnapped fills you with violence*
*RUIN WANTING TO HELP ECLIPSE MENTAL HEALTH FILLS YOU WITH DETERMINATION!❤️*
*seeing Eclipse denying and wanting to torture Ruin fills you with delusion.*
9:07 *DAMN- MY DIRTY MIND IS GOING TO SATURN AND BACK*
*Oh yes it does.*
I 100% agree with that statement
IT DOES THO FR
*laughs in married ruin*
Yup it does I just…… UGH LIKE WHY!? IDK WHAT TO SAY ABOUT IT JUST UGH!!???
Things I've learned
- Eclipse doesn't know jow he's alive
- he sounds really dead inside although i guess thats what being dead for months does to you
- I honestly think Ruin is innocent
- Eclipse doesn't seem ok.. and I'm a little worried about him. He seems more cooperative and is willing to just talk to Ruin. And i can tell somethings wrong from the tone of his voice
- Ruin wants to help Eclipse mentally, if you remember in a previous thumbnail it said something about Eclipse's redemption. I think Ruins the answer
- Eclipse is gonna torture Ruin...
ECLIPSE I SWEAR IF YOU HURT A SINGLE RAY ON RUINS HEAD YOU'LL BE WISHING YOU STAYED DEAD 🤬
I think he already wished he was still dead
YEESAAAAA
Eclipse might be my second fav character but if he lays one finger on Ruin then I'll throw hands🤺
Agree
The thing abt eclipses redemption in a thumbnail was in a lunar and earth show video near when they first started
1:19 - When the kidnapper forgets why he kidnapped the victim.
Also, even Eclipse doesn't know why or how he's alive. Strange.
Im just as confused as Eclipse right now. Poor guy.
Ruin seems just as clueless. What the heck is going on.
Why do I have a strange need to see Ruin actually bond and mentally heal Eclipse?
As for Castor and Sun- WORK-AHOLICS FTW heck yeah I wanna see them play.
oh boy existensial eclipse
"I dont need therapy." "..CleARly you do-" HAD ME WHEEZING- go off ruin honestly
*Best part about the episode😂*
HE IS REAL!!!!! I CAN BE HAPPY NOW!!!!
So Ruin might be innocent after all. But I am still on the fence. But we are finally getting more answers and clues ❤
Eclipse sounds so confused and lost. His memories are scattered. Does he remember his death because it was put into him? “I don’t need therapy.” Oh honey yes you do, I will drag you to Earth’s office myself if I have to ❤
Ayyy looks like we might get a Sun and Castor vibby game!!
But it does beg the question who brought him back. If it wasn’t ruined, then who was it the creator is a good gas and vanny is also a possibility, but I don’t think it’s her she doesn’t like eclipse
I don’t know if we’d get a video like that, personally, I always like sun and moon best
K who like evil eclipse?!
Eclipse has officially lost his damn mind! He's just seems so dazed it's honestly so weird, he seems so odd, and now he's just questioning his existence
(Edit, how did my comment get so many likes???)
He’s so insane that he doesn’t know WHY he KIDNAPPED SOMEONE!
@Stellar_Wing exactly, bro, eclipse needs therapy just like ruin said 💀
Also, what he said about waking up in the orange hallway near the theater and Sun and Moon's room. That's a weird place to wake up in.
@@lunasapphire912 I agree, I'm not even sure why he would wake up there of all places
The virus Ruin! The Virus Ruin Brought Eclipse back! But the question is why.
Before I watch, I will say I think Ruin is not evil, at least not fully.
Sure the virus might be present, but I think it might take control only for certain periods of time. Ruin DID say previously that he did not like Eclipse either
I agree, though in a different theory. I think the virus never went away and he is just acting like it did. I think he has changed once he saw how the others can act if he was actually nice.
I actually have a different theory. I think emotionally, he got scars from the virus. i mean, think about a completely new place. He learned what he has done under, not to mention how much damage he was in. i wouldn't say he is bad but most likely very, very paranoid, possibly wondering if the the anti virus moon made worked at all or if it just put him back in control and now he just wondering if he'll just get locked up allover again
Agreed, Ruin is NOT evil, he’s really nice & trying to help Sun, Solar & Moon. :( :) He hasn’t done anything wrong❤❤.
Sigh… Eclipse.
Hopefully this made sense❤❤
Im sticking to my theory that ruins virus can switch in and out at times. Like when Eclipse said something like “I don’t think you know what your doing” and how he switched to being scared to slowly giving him a reason or motive
hearing eclipse so lost and dazed was a gut punch when i was so excited to see him again, and having Ruin be such a sweet and terrified lil captive just made it into a knife twist.
I’m very confused if R.E is evil or not. Hopefully this episode gives us answers 👍
BRO ECLIPSE IS SO MUCH CREEPIER ITS TERRIFYING 😭😭😭
8:02 *intense breath in* YES YOU DO
Not too far in but I think luckily he's in the clear!
"I don't need therapy."
"CLEARLY you do--"
LMAO
3:06 Ok...Eclipse's glare/stare is just utterly terrifying
His eyes can move...0_0
@Bloodsunny-zt3xq I shall stare comrade
I actually started to get teary eyed from where it was so creepy, especially with his eyes moving, I thought when Bloodmoon could move his mouth was terrifying, this is so, so much worse
@@Maytrixwasheree Mhm
@Jester_Eclipse
I have gone insane... :)
Is eclipse a ghost? He seems to behave like a confused and lost or vengeful spirit and the way he sorta just phases in and out like that is odd, plus he said he woke up in the hallway…a liminal space
Eclipse:i dont need therapy 🙄
Ruin:ClEArlY YoU dO
Ruin has my respect.
He wants to help Eclipse, even though Eclipse wants to hurt others still... but there is a slight change here..
I wonder if Eclipse.. will decide to be friends with at least, Ruin? 🤔
Eclipse's new design is just so fantastic!🎉
It would make sense if his mind still works the same. "Well he is right there and its not like the twins will know." Eclipse is always lonely so it makes sense.
Ngl I never noticed he had a new design I'm still trying to see what is different 😭
@@purp.axolotl I dont thik the eyes could move originally and his colors look a little different. I think thats all?
Leave poor Ruin alone, _please don’t torture him!_ 😭😭😭 They need to save him, and possibly give him therapy.
I _really_ want to see his reaction to the fact that Moon and Solar read his diary, and know how insecure he is about living with them 😭
At least he stayed calm in that situation, and I love that he tried to offer Eclipse therapy 😂 He’s so sweet!
Eclipse seems messed up, he doesn’t know what’s going on. It’s pretty clear if it was the creator that he’s used Eclipse as a distraction for whatever he’s scheming. I find it interesting how Eclipse is doing things, like revealing himself, and then questioning _why_ afterwards.
Sun struggling to explain the concept of a cowboy to Castor had me laughing so much 😂😂😂 I kinda want to see him and Pollux interact with the others more, and I’m glad Sun’s trying to help Castor to find a way to relax in a way he can enjoy, because while being dragged to different places is a nice, and thoughtful, gesture, I think travel is more of Pollux’s thing than his 😂
If ruin gets tortured I'm going through the screen and at eclipse
How I thought that would've gone-
Eclipse: Why did I take you?
Ruin: That is what I literally just asked you-
NOW YOU START ASKING WHY YOU TOOK HIM, WHIP DE DO TO THAT
Nether of them are mentally stable.
Yes I love this comment
@@SkyByethedemonYea Ik right
Perhaps Ruin set this whole thing in motion when he was still possessed by the virus. He did say he had contingency plans back then.
Ruin being afraid brings me genuine sadness. I just want to give this man a hug. I don’t care if he ends up being evil or if he’s actually good, he’s scared and I want to comfort him :3
2:34 when eclipse says "why am I back" turning. It's so creepy how his eyes turn to look at ruin-
Agree
Man maybe Ruin isn't a villain. Also oh my gosh Eclipse might be able to have a redemption arc cause of how confused he is.
I had a dream about him getting redemption I would be so happy
YES FINALLY REDEMPTION ARC AAAA
Fr he should now
IKR, bro, Eclipse has been my fav villain since the start of the sun and moon show-
Okay, I am happy Ruin isn't evil. I do have a theory, when Eclipse said that Ruin re built him, I was thinking. What if when Ruin had the virus, he built Eclipse. But didn't finish it? And now the creator continue rebuilding Eclipse. I kinda feel bad for Eclipse. He sounded sad and confused. But I am angry at him for wanting to turture Ruin. Let's hope Sun and Moon find Ruin before Eclispe does something to him!!
@Bloodsunny-zt3xq oh, yea. I now remember. But he did want to mess with Sun and Moon, so maybe he did create Eclispe again?
Man Eclipse sounds like he wish he was dead still, he sounds like… idk it worries me but at the same time makes me feel bad for him… like… yeah he is bad but he didn’t even wanted to be alive again, mixed emotions about this
Interesting that nit even Eclipse knows what is going on. But he does show how smart he is, that he can pick up on Ruin being the odd one out--whether or nor Ruin really was the one who remade him.
...still a bit disappointed there was no fistfight over Bloodmoon designs, though.
Eclipse needs a redemption arc so dang badly, i am not even joking here. Poor guy doesn't even know why or how he's back. Granted, he is going to try going after the creator, so i guess that puts them all at having a common enemy. It's a stepping stone, sorta. God, just please give the man a redemption. He isn't a lost cause yet, even if his motives are similar. He just wants answers. I won't defend what he did in the past, but please give this new Eclipse the redemption he needs. He remembers how he last died, which means he could likely still be close to how he was back then. To be frank, i would also be mad if i was brought back after being killed for trying to deliver a warning so i get it, but please help this Eclipse before he spirals again!
Honestly i think he's to far gone to be redeemed -
@@thelocalfrog this one isn't yet. Notice how he was questioning himself. Neither past version of him did that.
He's been a lost cause since October 2022
I don't want him to have a start over he must stay evil
@@themoldygingerbreadman the backup at least tried to change, even if it was close to the end for him. This new one is showing some internal conflict. He is also Solar at his base since Solar's code was used to bring him back.
"How do I EXPLAIN a cowboy-"
HAD ME WHEEZING 😭😭
Also, can we just appreciate it’s nice to see sun again because we didn’t see him in the last 2VR episodes
3:26 that’s terrifying. “w-why am I d-doing this….” why is he acting like this. He has no idea of what happened…. Ruin is going through to much rn, why him?
Hearing eclipse talking make me wonder did old ruin/virus ruin make him?
Welp there goes my theory-
It's interesting and hilarious to see that even Eclipse is confused by his own existence. As much as I distrust Ruin still, I do hope he gets rescued soon.
Also, Castor and/or Pollux *_better_* tell Lunar Eclipse is alive.
ahhhh I’m curious as to how this will go! 0:37 oh ok eclipses eyes 👀 2:39 heyyy eclipse is suspicious of ruin not surprising 3:05 omg I just love eclipses eyes, it’s new and kinda creepy 5:53 hmm I have ideas 8:01 yes you do need therapy eclipse 9:01 oh wow his eyes during that moment 😂 10:17 Alex right? 😂 sun lol 12:01 ah that 12:47 I started laughing immediately at that omg 😂😂😂 13:02 lol
I'm LOVING Eclipse's new design. It's terrifying!
Omg he actually got taken..
YOU TOOK RUIN CAUSE HE'S DEFENSELESS???
Oh my god. He is the one Sun and Moon killed and he doesn't even know how he's back.
Even Eclipse suspects Ruin made him. What in the --
Eclipse was programmed with commands..
I feel even more strongly now that Rodrick is creating an army.
Maybe he even overtook Ruin to make Eclipse at this point but I honestly don't want that.
So Eclipse _was_ configured from Solar's _code_
Ruin wants to help Eclipse's mental state? Oh that's amazing in a way.
Don't _torture_ him?! 🫥
[Insert multiple swear words] 🤨🤨🤨
SUN! ❤ It's been a while (in show)
Get'em Castor!!
You get'em!
(Eclipse, not the others)
Castor's pretty intimidating, not gonna lie.
Sun asking when he ever relaxed 😂
Sun/Castor friendship is something I never considered and it's kinda glorious.
So so glad Ruin isnt evil (that or hes good at acting and sensed the camera lol but it looks like he wouldve done the exact opposite if that were the case) but i hope he survives 😭
I think Eclipse had come to terms accepting his death and he's pissed off that he's alive again. And wants to get even.
He's acting more like Solar Flare almost; Robotic that is- And his speaking/cadence is way different too; Like when the original Ruin made BloodMoon
Okay, so this proves that Ruin is on our side and didn't build Eclipse and that it was the creator who rebuilt him to distract sun and moon so he can complete his plan without being interrupted. Also, Eclipse is very confused about being alive after he was killed and wants to find answers of why he was rebuilt again and probably will make the creator PAY for bringing him back. I hope moon and Solar will find Ruin before he gets tortured by Eclipse...😰
ECLIPSE I SWEAR DO NOT TOUCH MY SILLY BRITISH BOY
2:30 so he doesn't know why or how he's back either, interesting
8:35 WHAT DID I JUST SAY
Also Castors and Suns interactions was so funny and sweet :)
Anyone happy that The Sun and Moon Show posted another video?
I am not gonna lie I'm happy 😇...
(Ik they post everyday but I mean about VR videos 👁️👄👁️)
They post a video every freaking day. There's always a new video to watch dude.
@@RealMrAlverio I know 😭
@LOGAN.AND.HAMILTON I know 😭😭😭
I mean about VR videos...
Eclipse is more like a villain that he was before! More menacing! I’m totally not sleeping tonight 😥
‘I don’t need therapy’, um…yes you do you angry Dorito
9:10 HIS LAUGH! IT’S HIS OG LAUGH FROM WHEN THE SAMS STARTED! OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD! THIS EPISODE MADE ME SO HAPPY!
Okay, okay, i get it, Eclipse is the bad guy and stuff
BUT CAN WE APPRECIATE THOES DESIGNS???? THEY'RE SO BEAUTIFUL (not only Eclipse's but Ruin's too, they look so good 😍❤️)
@Bloodsunny-zt3xq THE GREEN FACED ECLIPSE IS ACCURATE NOW
@Bloodsunny-zt3xq yes, green.
The Creator bringing back Eclipse makes more sense than Ruin rebuilding him. I still have high hopes that Ruin is innocent and that he'll get rescued from his predicament.
Eclipse stop being a pain and leave everyone alone challenge go! (mission impossible)
Honestly hoping nothing bad happens to Ruin
8:02 Ruin is so real for saying Eclipse clearly needs therapy 😭
8:26 ECLIPSE,WHEN I CATCH YOU ECLIPSE 😠
I agree 100% with this comment
How did I only just realise how different eclipse looks from solar(edit:how the hell does this have so many likes and no replies) 😭
I got a reply for you! Well anyways I don’t know if this IS eclipse? It’s feels more like a robot than an animatronic.. he is.. different!
Idk but the green faced eclipse in the old thumbnails has become reallll
@@Evelyn-kk3ds what are you talking about
@@GalaxyGaming334 maybe it's just a different animatronic but with the memories of eclipse like blood moon you know like how that's not the same blood moon but he has the same memory's
@@rosey5288 If you look at the old thumbnails with eclipse he has half a green face like he does now, idk why he did in the thumbnails but it happened
Eclipse sounds SO zesty
Oh my gosh he does-
OMG YES HE DOESSSSS ✨️💅✨️
FR THO-
Our zesty British boy 🥺
@@Nobody_Chan every character be a bit zesty 💅💅
God eclipses smile is so much more creepier than sun or moons 👁️👄👁️
It's literally the same
@@DepressedBarCatnot when it's psychopath smiling
This Eclipse is MUCH more terrifying in this episode than he ever was before, his pupils glowing in the dark were haunting.
THE GODS HAVE POSTED
I don’t trust Ruin but I actually feel bad for Ruin right now
Eclipses eyes moving scares me 😂
Eclipse does need therapy… I bet Eclipse is going to get a redemption arc! I just know it!
8:31 never mind..
8:47 Eclipse just scares me now.. the left part of his face scares me the most 😭
9:14 eclipses laugh… now I’m scared even more… poor Ruin.. I don’t trust him still but I feel bad for him 😭
IF ECLIPSE TRIES TO GO AFTER SUN IM GOING TO CRY
Sun trying to explain what a cowboy is, is me trying to explain why BloodMoon is my favorite character and me trying to explain the whole lore of something to people
SAME-
yes
💯
My word, poor Ruin, and with the drops thinking they're not trusting, are they even gonna believe they're actually kidnapped? (Commenting before watching the full video)
Edit after watching;
Okay wow, First of all, Sunny astral bonding with castor, love that.
Second, uh oh, poor Ruin. Accidentally gave Eclipse an idea, we all know moon won't take that well when he finds them, if he is the one to find them, I can think of alot of angst for Ruin tbh- hope they doesn't actually break!
I'm in love with angst. I love seeing the characters cry bcs sun and moon show animatics will have their best work ever and it would be great to get to know their feelings and fears. But suddenly they hit you with a "meanwhile" of sun and moon being silly. THINGS STARTED TO GET JUICY WDYM 😭
Edit: They better make a vid of eclispe torturing ruin and sun and moon saving him
This recolor is SERVING Eclipse! Looking great scary fella!
…..words cannot express how odd it is, seeing Eclipse so confused about his own existence and actually expressing it. I was so ready to pin the blame for his return on Ruin, since there was so much evidence and things stacked against him, but now, I’m questioning that.
Also. Help. Castor enjoying work and seriousness. I can’t. That’s amazing, and it makes total sense.
Hope Ruin will be okay
Edit: Well hopefully someone finds Ruin before Eclipse does what he is going to do to him also I think Caster was a bit late when Eclipse has star power
They gotta save the princess
Same
I don’t like castor he’s too smug at times I get it, they could’ve hurt lunar, but that was lunar choice. It was the only way they had to get rid of for Gore
Geez... Is Eclipse Ok? Normally I wouldn't care but he sound less... Evil... Normal? He sound really curious... Like if he was questioning existence
I love your profile ❤ and sun does need therapy
I swear this new eclipse is just insane and I think he has amnesia at this point but I do feel bad for ruin. It’s nice seeing sun helping castor take a break and funny how he had to explain cowboys.
0:10 Clipsy! :D We finally get to see his model up close!
0:18 OH GOSH HIS EYES ARE GLOWING XD
1:37 XD THE WAY HE LOOKS AWAY WITH HIS EYES
4:04 That’s because your orange so it makes sense
7:40 Clipsy is right, no offense to Ruin Eclipse XD I mean Ruin Eclipse is the same person who threw tic tacs on the ground lmao
8:17 That little laugh! 😭
9:10 His little laugh! 😭
9:43 “Bruh” LMAO XD
10:17 Sunny could not tell the difference XD
Are we going to get a gaming video with Sunny and Castor next? That’s going to be fun!
I don’t know, we might get a pre-record
I love the juicy lore of this show ❤
8:02 okay this part genuinely got me cackling 😭
So far, things ain't goin' well for the possibility of an Eclipse redemption, with both Eclipse's actions towards Ruin being threatening, his clear plans to continue hurting people, and even the Astral Bodies' plans to take him prisoner- I do believe Castor said he was going to be "tried," as in trial in a court of law. Space law.
The ending was pretty cute, I think it's endearing that Sun offered up a game for Castor to play. But also, when can we watch Sun himself play Red Dead? :0c /nf
@@Melantha13 Hopefully so.
I've had a theory about Ruin for a while now but this video made me think more so that it could be true: The theory is basically that the cure that Sun gave Ruin wasn't a perfect/total cure and caused normal Ruin and Virus Ruin to split, resulting in Virus Ruin becoming his own personality that normal Ruin is unaware of and Virus Ruin will occasionally take over, hence why Ruin will act so suspicious in some episodes and normal in others, whenever he acts suspicious it's the virus Ruin taking over.
For any folks who want my theory to be explained in more detail, here:
Basically, since when Moon tried to get rid of his Killcode the Killcode became sentient and its own person- It also spawned Eclipse- so who's to say that when Sun gave the cure to Ruin it wasn't a full cure so that either the virus would temporarily take back control of Ruin for periods of time which would explain why he sometimes acts suspicious in some episodes and normal in others. OR, the one that I believe more, is that the cure caused the virus and Ruin to separate and now the virus version of Ruin has more or less become sentient and its own person and has been taking control of Ruin's body sporadically, also explaining why Ruin acts so suspicious in some videos and normal in others. The virus version of Ruin was shown to be VERY tech savy since he made BloodMoon, so since we revived Bloodmoon I also believe he'd revive Eclipse.
I'm kinda proud of my theory tbh and hope some of ya'll liked reading it👍
Edit: After reading more of the RUclips comments I see that I'm definitely not the first one to comment about this this, I think I may have just been the first to explain it in depth😅
WHOEVER DOES THE THUMBNAILS NEEDS A RAISE!!! They are so good!!
I'm not gonna lie, Eclipse's new model makes him more creepy with those glowing eyes.
ECLIPSE LORE EPISODE???
WOOOOAH WE FINALLY GET TO FULLY SEE ECLIPSES NEW MODEL
I know this disproves my theory somewhat but I still believe Ruin was the reason. Sure, it could be the creator but I’m still unconvinced.
Also, Ruin keeps saying “I barely know how to fix an arcade machine”, yet he used schematics to build his own body. Those parts could’ve been what was found in his area but also Eclipse uses the same required parts that Ruin does.
I think this part might be more confusing than the FNAF timeline.
Eclipse seems confused..... the fact that he suspected that Ruin made him like moon tells me that somebody made it seem that way. Its possible that the virus clings onto ruins code slowly forming into a sun and moon situation or it could be phantom Freddy or Vannie.
8:02
"I don't need therapy."
"Clearly you do."
Ruin calling Eclipse out got a laugh out of me. Good job, Ruin.
Eclipse really said: new life new body 🙄💅✨
"and now I'm going to make it everyone else's problem 🙄💅✨"
Eclipse is just having a mental breakdown in front of ruin
INNIT
My theory on this :
Ruin did rebuilded Eclipse, but not to cause harm --> he wants to be the reason for Eclipse's redemption. To finaly feel usefull.
Omg !! I love this
BRO HOW DOSE THE THUMBNAIL DRAWER DRAW HANDS SO WELL???
Edit: also, it might be just me but he comes off as a bit nicer/ more tiered
My god he's depressed and having an existential crisis.
Welp, I'm scheduling a therapy session for Eclipse now...
Every time, Ruin relates to me by the second
Davis monologues continue 😂
Or Ruin could have remade Eclipse when he had the virus as a backup plan in case things went wrong with BloodMoon. Which they did.
Lot of people saying ruin gave eclipse a purpose here by accident but…if I recall virus infected ruin hated the creator as well. Something is definitely up with this version of eclipse, as he said he just announced himself, that isn’t like him doing that without a plan. I’m thinking he has some kind of subtle directive nudging his actions. In addition ruin offering to mentally fix eclipse seems innocent but I’m unsure. The moving eyes on the eclipse model is an excellent creepy addition that makes him feel more off too.
so uh... does this mean Ruin _didn't_ rebuild Eclipse?
A lot of people are thinking Vanny it’s the one who brought him back, but I don’t think so, because she took over after solar was knocked out not before
And why the heck does he look different?His eyes are creepy.
@@matainatafola560 well that’s obvious to distinguish between solar and him
Guys
The "Sun will die" thing
The "Im gonna slice you to ribbons" line
The taking victims apart with intention to do it to Sun and Moon
Its not looking good for Sun guys
Theory time people ✨
First can we talk about how Eclipse sounds like a dead ass robot like his voice just went 5 octaves lower then usual and he seemed very confused about what he was doing and how he was brought back. Also how he introduced himself to early and started getting stressed or something not knowing why he was brought back. I really thought it was Ruin who did it and brought him back after what Lord Eclipse said and just based on my own theories, but now I don’t know anymore. It could have been the creator..but why would he do it? I mean ruin did have a good point about the creator wanting to distract moon and sun from killing him though I think it was just him wanting to give them more problems because he could have easily taken care of them if they went after him. Honestly at this point we just have to wait for more lore to get a clear idea on why eclipse is acting like a robot and who brought him back and another question not regarding any of that. What will the stich- wraith and what’s going on with Bloodmoon? Like what will he do next wise…anyways just thought I would theorize a bit here after what we just watched and just about the other lore videos. This is a whole lot to take in though hehe anyways I hope everyone has a good day or night bye
I can totally imagine R.E giving eclipse therapy. 🤣
Of course Eclipse laughed maniacly while walking away from Ruin after telling him that he would be tortured, hope he is all right.
Poor Ruin…
I have a feeling he’s not evil, but that the virus does sort of still linger.
And also, was wondering when castor was gonna show up about the thing solar made. And yay they’re going to try and take care of eclipse! But also can’t the astral bodies see everything? Wouldn’t they know where eclipse is?
Anyway, lot to unpack here.
I cried when I saw this but Castor not knowing what a cowboy is- 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Eclipse sounds like he's going insane oh god- 😀
ALSO HOLY CRAP ECLIPSE'S NEW MODEL IS TALL AS HELL- AND OH GOD THE PUPILS- 😰😰
@Bloodsunny-zt3xq Yes and kind of hot
@Bloodsunny-zt3xq very👀
@@thelifestory1470 you're so real for this
I have a strong love-hate feelings for Eclipse at this point, I hate him but love him at the same time-
@Bloodsunny-zt3xq Actually extremely hot. But I am still a big Solar simp more than a Eclipse simp.
@@Solars.number1fan SAME. You understand me.
Ah Eclipse, you very much are in need of serious, intensive therapy. And he gets another chance at life and he is just as directionless as he has always been. I think he defaults to 'make Sun and Moon suffer' because he literally can't figure out what to do with himself otherwise. He is horrible but I do pity him. But I think there was a spark of wanting to change, before he died. I hope that has carried over to this new iteration of him.
One thing about redemption arcs, is they are not really about if a character *deserves* them or not. They are about if a character is willing to make a *choice* to go down that road, and to keep going even when its hard, and to keep going even if the wronged party does not forgive them. I do hope he makes that choice, and makes some actual positive relationships... but Eclipse has always been a tragedy of his own making.
And, thats not even considering if the Astral Bodies don't kill him first.
I like the fact that Castor just kinda... appeared. Just randomly.
This episode is just. . . . . Amazing!
I believe Eclipse is actually more evil than before. Like, in the past, he was just a thorn in the gang's side or just being bored and not doing much; now he is actually trying to make Sun, Moon, Solar and the others' lives a literal nightmare by kidnapping Ruin and trying to use Lunar, who is 1/2 star by the way! His design is actually nightmare fuel (I won't be sleeping tonight). HIM THREATENING RUIN, I SWEAR IF HE KILLS OUR BRITISH GOOFBALL I WILL-! My theory is that when he was questioning his existance, he was intending to make us - the fans - feel sorry for him, considering the fact that he said "I missed being like this", and he used to trick us by using Sun's voice. And also he should remember his manipulative ways in the past if he knows about his death; so, it makes sense for him to go back to his manipulative ways again, although he could also be doing the same thing when he asks Ruin who else could have brought him back. Before I forget, ECLIPSE NEEDS THERAPY!!
Anyways, I think when Solar and Moon come to save Ruin, Eclipse will have some sort of trick up his sleeve like what he did back at Moon's bunker, and maybe trap them so he can get to Lunar. Keep up the great work and give some extra credit to the thumbnail artists
Edit: Also Eclipse's maniacal laugh. . . . . Round of applause to Davis ❤
Does anyone remember that one thumbnail with the sign showing "Eclipse's redemption arc"? What if....