@nobodynothing282 I think it's more apt to say that *Ao* is evil. Kelemvor tried to change things and was basically bludgeoned into obedience by him and the other gods. Jergal also predates the Wall. After a bleak existence with the promise of a bleaker eternity, he broke up his portfolio and gave it to the Dead Three; Myrkul just made the Wall after he became god of the dead. In a way, you could lay blame for the Wall's continued existence on *every* god, even the good-aligned ones like Tyr and Lathander. The Wall seems to be a 'necessary evil' by their standards. Myrkul made it, but the other Powers seem to be fine with it existing. The only one I think could be argued to be truly good in this situation is Ilmater. Kelemvor 'severed' Kaelyn because of her zealous desire to bring down the wall, but Ilmater seemed to welcome her despite her goal. I think he wants the Wall gone but can't act against it himself, so he grants his strength to Kaelyn in his stead.
@nobodynothing282 You can't destroy the wall in game, at most you can reclaim own soul from it. Even if you end up with master the curse ending (which pretty much requires you to kick few puppies to get that ending) you don't bring down the wall as Kelemvor kicks you out. Then you essentially travel through faerun consuming souls left and right, ending making sure you essentially became power hungry and vengeful (even if you still maintained good alignment). You do in fact eventually end up fighting gods in epilogue as gods even team up against you. You do menage kill/consume some gods but eventually was pushed back by gods and ended up retreating with your further fate left uknown.
The writing here is so good, the only thing I would compare it to is the conversation between Alyosha and Father Zosima in The Brothers Karamazov. I once heard Planescape Torment referred to as "interactive literature", and that's exactly right for this game as well. Absolute masterpiece, a work of art. Also: don't underestimate what the soundtrack is doing here. It's almost as good as the writing.
Pity you didn't have higher wisdom/intelligence, you get the dialogue where you reveal that the creation of the spirit-eater, was not just for Myrkul's vengeance and sick amusement, but a means by which he could maintain a tenuous grip on existance for a possible return to life/divinity. He even praises you for figuring it out. Which makes eating his smug god ass, all that much more fun!
im playing it again now, but havent gone through in years. charisma might yield some interesting results as well. my build (what i am going towards) will be a 10 sorcerer/10 eldrich knight/10 dragon disciple, i vaguely remember when i played that build before and it was pretty broken. charisma is a really good stat in 3.5, whereas in 2nd ed. it was pretty much junk (on pc games). dual-wielding two-handed weapons was pretty fun, as i recall i made a really good scythe (x4 crit is the highest possible in the rule set, make it 'keen' and take the feat that changes crit level and it is a 17-20 crit, i.e. 20%) and used some good two-handed sword; when you have that many buffs between all the casters, monkey-grip/two-weapon style work well together. i like rouge/fighter builds too, use magic device is an awesome skill, and sneak attack is really good, especially coupled with warrior BAB and hitpoints, and the extra feats dont hurt.
One of the best written pieces of dialogue in all videogames, I'd say. And the execution is awesome. Because of course the defeated God of Death and Decay would be a colossal rotting skeleton floating in lsd mist and musing about JUSTICE, FATE and IRONY. 15/10
Eh, I couldn't hate Myrkul. He reminded me too much of Terry Pratchet's Grim-Reaper (Especially his sarcasm and wit). Like if you walked in on him at his office and he had little patience (less than he does already) for personal grievances and philosophy set against the laws that govern reality as you know it.
You sorta have it right but a few things which I think make this even cooler. Myrkul is actually a god that is no longer worshipped and thus has died - in DnD gods die if they have no worshippers. Which is why you're standing on his actual corpse as it floats through the astral plane which is basically where gods go to die. He is just so old that his religion and worship had faded away into obscurity he didn't go out withg a bang but a whimper - left to drift forever in the astra until he himself has dissolved into nothing just like those in the wall
One of the best parts of the game, to me. The concept of that place is so cool- walking on the bones of a near-dead god. The soundtrack is so eerie too- thanks for uploading it!
Time is an ally, not an enemy. Patience can sharpen even the smallest of efforts into a weapon that can strike the heart of an empire. - Unbroken Circle of Zerthimon
Mateusz Malinowski Aside from the pile of bugs and the fact that if you are not a spellcaster, you are near-useless in MotB :) I really like the game too, but I felt useless with my Weapon Master, so I had to reroll as a Sorcerer.
Never really played anything that doesnt have some sort of magic, I mostly play as a druid or a cleric, as both can be effective fighters but also have some good spells as back up. Bugs wise though I would say that Storm of Zehir takes the crown there, especially with the random one that I always seem to get "uh oh all your gear has vanished again!" ..
I played this game as an evil character and it was still an powerful experience. Murkyl is so smug when you threaten to devour him. I had One of Many with me and was surprised for that small dialogue. :: Dark One, you must allow me to devour the broken god! It would make the Many supremely powerful! :: "Ah.. I thought I recalled the scent of judgments passed. Does this creature think that it can finally achieve revenge by supping on my spirit? Devour my spirit and my consciousness will only fade for a time. This creatures very existence glorifies my name... by every action, you will both grant me life anew." "Myrkul is mine to devour. Not yours, One of Many." :: I have allowed you too much freedom to rule me, and you now take the Many for granted. You will regret your decision :: "Enjoy your feast, then... and enjoy the hatred of your pet as well. You've deprived your monster of the thing it wanted the most, and it will not forget." And devouring Murkyl or not leads to so many scenarios. With Murkyl soul, what you can do to Founder is so messed up. It is amazing.
@@ScaryCareBear If you let One of Many devour Myrkul, Myrkul takes over and it is the hardest boss fight in the game (you need to fight him alone). There is a lot of cool stuff which you might not notice. When playing as evil, you can use bluff/lie to gain influence with Kaelyn. Also if you have One of Many in your party, it laughs at the dove from the shadows. You can ask Kaelyn your "animal nickname", OoM says: "speak the name of the scavenger - a vulture or jackal, anything that gains strength from feeding on the dead... it is a compliment I give you, for in scraping the ashes of the dead, you granted us life" Best one is when you get Kaelyn devoted, and you lie about being honored by her devotion. OoM says: the songbird is blind. it senses the lie, but blinds itself to it out of devotion. You have it, completely, utterly, a weapon to use and discard. It is just so amazing how much detail this game has. Sadly we will never see anything like this ever again.
The most interesting villain ever. Even the most honorable gods can only begrudgingly respect his devious plan to stay alive. This is how you keep yourself alive, Bhaal.
To be fair, Bhaal's plan didn't risk unleashing a wild, genocidal, god-devouring, soul-eating monster that haunts the planes until it is forced out of Abeir-Toril (but not destroyed) entirely.
SteelCrash I know, it would be so nice if we did :( I was so disapointed when they went the mmo route instead *sigh* don't get me wrong, I do play and enjoy mmos, but I kinda refuse to touch the Neverwinter mmo :/
SteelCrash Same here ^^ I keep trying to get my fiance to play it as well and he always comes across game breaking bugs that I have never even seen/heard of and can never find anything about them online.. so he's taking it as a sign that he's not meant to play it *sigh*.
I like MOTB. It has a best story for RPG game. So many layers so many thing to uncover. This is why Iike Obsidian more than bioware. No simple go and kill bag guys.
I adore MOTB, to be honest, I think I liked it a little more than the main campaign, don't get me wrong, I love the main campaign, but MOTB just drew me in even more. I'm currently playing through NWN and then I will import my character from that into NWN2 and play all through it again (I get the urge to play NWN2 at least once a year lol!)
+ScaryCareBear Then I believe that you really should have a look to Planescape: Torment if you haven't already, and if you can stand the 1999 graphics. Its story, dialogues, characters and outlandish setting is second to none, even though MOTB comes pretty close.
Sure :) I'd advise to follow this guide for high-definition support and better UI, if you ever play it: www.gog.com/news/mod_spotlight_planescape_torment_mods_guide
Really disappointed the sequence of the true purpose of the Curse wasn't included here. One of my favorite moments. Really solidifies that the KC is different from any other that either suffered the Curse, or held the Blade.
I finished this game today and it was one of the best gaming experiences eva! I got to this part last night thinking "ok, I go through portal, check new area and continue tomorrow" What you know, with this and Founder I quickly spend couple hours or so. Truly amazing. Thankfully I have save files for every important convo, so I can quickly reload earlier save and enjoy these moments.
Heh, its easier to pick, which are not. This part, Founder, mask fragment dreams, Okku spirit army battle, everything related to companions, first two Araman encounters and climax ofc. Need to play this as evil to truly appreciate all these choices this game gives.
The machinations of Myrkul in NWN 2: MotB paid fruit, as now Myrkul is reborn as a greater deity in 5 edition of Forgotten Realms! Same thing happened to Bhaal! He is also reborn in 5e due to his Bhaalspawn schemes.
My first playthrough of Baldur's Gate 3 was in co-op. The first time our characters had that dream, I immediately said, "I've been here before. This is the astral plane, and that's a dead god." The similarities between this plane's depiction in these two games can't be a coincidence. EDIT: Also, later: "Oh, hey, it's Myrkul! Did I ever tell you about that time I ate him? Slurped him right up like a piece of spaghetti? Guess that wasn't canon!"
It's not a coincidance inteed, since the game developpers of these two games simply followed the description of the Astral Plane within the official books, there literally are pictures of it in DnD books after all. Depictions of the exact same thing based on the exact same descriptions and pictures will always have similarities.
Best in this story - opportinity end of suffer of akachi by consuming him and became anti-god, a living hunger of wall, a walking crime of gods. Living rebbelion to "law" of universe, what can destroy setted rule between gods and mans. Sadly but game think what it is evil choise.
7:55 Ha, that is the ONLY thing the universe bends to - or more specifically will. If a "whim" is backed up by enough will then there is nothing in all the planes that can stop it. Anyone who doesnt believe it should go and play Planescape: Torment.
Myrkul is a chilling villain, amazingly voiced. But he should be more cavalier about being put to rest. As we learned from his return to divinity, in 5th Edition, can death itself ever truly die?
@@paulpoumet773 The faith generated by people's fear of the spirit eater curse is what is sustaining him; if you have a high enough Wisdom check he will tell you this himself instead of what he says here 12:33
The wall of the faithless was why I always sided with Ember in Pathfinder WotR. Sure, different properties, different rules. But very similar, selfish, and downright hypocritical characterizations of Gods. Only Kelemvor seemed to try and create a solution for the countless dead baby or fetus souls on that wall who could not possibly comprehend faith in the way we would. And Ao and the others of the so-called good-aligned Gods wouldn't have him tear it down or redirect faithless souls to his plain because it would be interfering with another God's work. Namely, Myrkul's. At least Withers (Jergal) seems to take a liking to Kelemvor's approach, what with taking care of Arabella after her parents die and her powers awaken. I wonder what Ketheric would say to Akachi if they ever met depending on how WotC canonize the Neverwinter stuff.
This casts a heavy shadow on BG3's showing of Gods, especially the dead three. Larian should have just stuck with Bane, called the game "Larian's DND game!" and went with it. Then there wouldn't be games from ~20 years a go that deliver similar but much better in this regard.
@@KevinM491lolwut, a 20 minute philosophical conversation about godhood, death and destiny with a god vs two lines, 'I will destroy you', and a boss encounter?
@@budakbaongsiah don't need to canon, just need this kind of voice acting, and a deviles line, back in the novels he was the mastermind behind the hole story.
The OC is excellent! The problem is I don't have much time to play games anymore. I also have bitter memories about some repetitive-filler quests, such as the Watch/Thieves questline. MoTB never felt like it had any fillers in it, and the interesting story continued progressing.
@@ScaryCareBear The problem I had with the OC is it can drag in some parts and I tend to stop playing. its been so long since I went through both OC and MotB.
*Shit starts happening in Faerun. Myrkul: Definitely not me. Everyone else is at fault here. I grew to like him and his troll ways. Even in BG3 he was the most sensible of the dead 3 and actually helped his chosen in ways that no other did. Spoiler* He rid of cancerous Shar from Ketheric's life and gave him his daughter back even though he knew she would throw a wrench in his plans. Because he knew Ketheric loved her more than any power he might possess but alas, he chose Ketheric anyway. Sure Ketheric's cult became as cancerous as any other while ruining his own life and everyone else's but you can see there is some sympathy in Myrkul that none of the other 2 possess.
I never got this far, my pc broke down before I could get to this point, and then when I got it running again I had lost my original cd's.. I live in SEA I had to buy nwn2 in London coz they don't sell nwn2 here in that point in time. I got my hands on a fake copy but that was limited to the Inn downtown. F U A K M E R I G H T.
Ah man that sucks! I know it's nice to own the hard copy, I originally had the hardcopy, but sadly the disc got damaged during my 200 mile move, so I ended up buying a digital copy on gog.com, I would defo recommend getting a digital copy, no chance of getting a fake then or damaged discs etc. If you go to gog.com and type in neverwinter nights 2, they sell the complete edition for £15.39 this version includes all 3 of the expansions :)
I hate to say it, but I had to use a cheat! I love having them all with me and I feel that 4 is a pretty nice number for a party size if I'm honest! Open up the command console by typing ' and then type DebugMode 1 hit enter, type in rs ga_party_limit([number]) to set the party limit and then follow it up with this one to add whom your extra party member! rs ga_roster_party_add(name)
Wow, is this actually confirmed or a fan theory? It would explain why he sought out Ravel for immorality and why the "Good" incarnation was so coy about why he became immortal in the first place.
Am using a code that enable you to travel with as many companions as you wish. Would you like the code for it? It's the only "cheat" code I used in the game, I simply like having them all by my side. In the core game though having all your companions with you is far too over powered lol, so would not advise that!
@@Talthain Right? I keep on seeing lately people either saying Witcher is better or vice versa and imo, you just cannot compare them to one another. They are both fantasy rpgs granted, but so completely and utterly different from one another and amazing in their own rights, I love them both so much
@@Talthain NO , MASK OF THE BETRAYER IS INTELIGENT SO MUCH AND PHILOSPHY SO MUCH AND WRITER THIS GAME IS CHRIS AVELONE AND JOSH SAWYER , WITCHER 3 MAIN SCENARIO IS BORING SHIT FOR IDIOT , SORRY BUT IT IS TRUE.
@@ScaryCareBear NO , MASK OF THE BETRAYER IS INTELIGENT SO MUCH AND PHILOSPHY SO MUCH AND WRITER THIS GAME IS CHRIS AVELONE AND JOSH SAWYER , WITCHER 3 MAIN SCENARIO IS BORING SHIT FOR IDIOT , SORRY BUT IT IS TRUE.
Actually my characters wisdom is near to 20 in this ^^; I have played a few times since though and revealed his plans many times fully just not recorded as only wanted to record that one time ^^ Also the outcome of this play through was still very good :) That and this playthrough was almost exactly 3 years ago xD played at least 5 times since then, yes I'm a NWN addict lol!
***** Every time I played DND games , i use the modifier to adjust my character's intelligence, wisdom and charisma, Warrior class only~ feel no shame , because I just don't want my characters to be a mindlessness guy~ so ~well~I did't know the demand for wisdom point of this scene are that high , (sorry for my poor English···
***** Considering that you loved MOB that much , may i ask you a question ,did you know "The Prophet" series ? it's a MOD from the NWN 1 ,A brain scientist modified it's story and the way of playing , did you know it ?
I hope people don’t forget that this is the first time we actually ever seen Myrkul in any DND video game.
until now!
@nobodynothing282 I think it's more apt to say that *Ao* is evil. Kelemvor tried to change things and was basically bludgeoned into obedience by him and the other gods. Jergal also predates the Wall. After a bleak existence with the promise of a bleaker eternity, he broke up his portfolio and gave it to the Dead Three; Myrkul just made the Wall after he became god of the dead.
In a way, you could lay blame for the Wall's continued existence on *every* god, even the good-aligned ones like Tyr and Lathander. The Wall seems to be a 'necessary evil' by their standards. Myrkul made it, but the other Powers seem to be fine with it existing. The only one I think could be argued to be truly good in this situation is Ilmater. Kelemvor 'severed' Kaelyn because of her zealous desire to bring down the wall, but Ilmater seemed to welcome her despite her goal. I think he wants the Wall gone but can't act against it himself, so he grants his strength to Kaelyn in his stead.
In bg3 is too.
@nobodynothing282 Kelemvor is lawful neutral so...
@nobodynothing282 You can't destroy the wall in game, at most you can reclaim own soul from it. Even if you end up with master the curse ending (which pretty much requires you to kick few puppies to get that ending) you don't bring down the wall as Kelemvor kicks you out.
Then you essentially travel through faerun consuming souls left and right, ending making sure you essentially became power hungry and vengeful (even if you still maintained good alignment). You do in fact eventually end up fighting gods in epilogue as gods even team up against you. You do menage kill/consume some gods but eventually was pushed back by gods and ended up retreating with your further fate left uknown.
The writing here is so good, the only thing I would compare it to is the conversation between Alyosha and Father Zosima in The Brothers Karamazov. I once heard Planescape Torment referred to as "interactive literature", and that's exactly right for this game as well. Absolute masterpiece, a work of art.
Also: don't underestimate what the soundtrack is doing here. It's almost as good as the writing.
Pity you didn't have higher wisdom/intelligence, you get the dialogue where you reveal that the creation of the spirit-eater, was not just for Myrkul's vengeance and sick amusement, but a means by which he could maintain a tenuous grip on existance for a possible return to life/divinity. He even praises you for figuring it out.
Which makes eating his smug god ass, all that much more fun!
Toffee Crisp yeah have seen that part of the dialogue before, it's pretty cool really :-D
im playing it again now, but havent gone through in years. charisma might yield some interesting results as well. my build (what i am going towards) will be a 10 sorcerer/10 eldrich knight/10 dragon disciple, i vaguely remember when i played that build before and it was pretty broken. charisma is a really good stat in 3.5, whereas in 2nd ed. it was pretty much junk (on pc games). dual-wielding two-handed weapons was pretty fun, as i recall i made a really good scythe (x4 crit is the highest possible in the rule set, make it 'keen' and take the feat that changes crit level and it is a 17-20 crit, i.e. 20%) and used some good two-handed sword; when you have that many buffs between all the casters, monkey-grip/two-weapon style work well together. i like rouge/fighter builds too, use magic device is an awesome skill, and sneak attack is really good, especially coupled with warrior BAB and hitpoints, and the extra feats dont hurt.
One of the best written pieces of dialogue in all videogames, I'd say. And the execution is awesome. Because of course the defeated God of Death and Decay would be a colossal rotting skeleton floating in lsd mist and musing about JUSTICE, FATE and IRONY. 15/10
Eh, I couldn't hate Myrkul.
He reminded me too much of Terry Pratchet's Grim-Reaper (Especially his sarcasm and wit). Like if you walked in on him at his office and he had little patience (less than he does already) for personal grievances and philosophy set against the laws that govern reality as you know it.
You sorta have it right but a few things which I think make this even cooler.
Myrkul is actually a god that is no longer worshipped and thus has died - in DnD gods die if they have no worshippers. Which is why you're standing on his actual corpse as it floats through the astral plane which is basically where gods go to die. He is just so old that his religion and worship had faded away into obscurity he didn't go out withg a bang but a whimper - left to drift forever in the astra until he himself has dissolved into nothing just like those in the wall
One of the best parts of the game, to me. The concept of that place is so cool- walking on the bones of a near-dead god. The soundtrack is so eerie too- thanks for uploading it!
Thanks for watching and commenting! :D I absolutely love this part, I never ever skip through it
Time is an ally, not an enemy. Patience can sharpen even the smallest of efforts into a weapon that can strike the heart of an empire.
- Unbroken Circle of Zerthimon
Time is not your enemy. Forever is.
Fall-from-Grace
His voice still gives me goosebumps, even after all those years.
This game is a pure masterpiece
Same here :D spot on voice acting and awesome game
True. This game is perfect.
Mateusz Malinowski
Aside from the pile of bugs and the fact that if you are not a spellcaster, you are near-useless in MotB :)
I really like the game too, but I felt useless with my Weapon Master, so I had to reroll as a Sorcerer.
Never really played anything that doesnt have some sort of magic, I mostly play as a druid or a cleric, as both can be effective fighters but also have some good spells as back up. Bugs wise though I would say that Storm of Zehir takes the crown there, especially with the random one that I always seem to get "uh oh all your gear has vanished again!" ..
He sounds kinda like Blix from the movie Legend...
I played this game as an evil character and it was still an powerful experience. Murkyl is so smug when you threaten to devour him. I had One of Many with me and was surprised for that small dialogue.
:: Dark One, you must allow me to devour the broken god! It would make the Many supremely powerful! ::
"Ah.. I thought I recalled the scent of judgments passed. Does this creature think that it can finally achieve revenge by supping on my spirit? Devour my spirit and my consciousness will only fade for a time. This creatures very existence glorifies my name... by every action, you will both grant me life anew."
"Myrkul is mine to devour. Not yours, One of Many."
:: I have allowed you too much freedom to rule me, and you now take the Many for granted. You will regret your decision ::
"Enjoy your feast, then... and enjoy the hatred of your pet as well. You've deprived your monster of the thing it wanted the most, and it will not forget."
And devouring Murkyl or not leads to so many scenarios. With Murkyl soul, what you can do to Founder is so messed up. It is amazing.
Ok that's pretty freaking cool.
@@ScaryCareBear If you let One of Many devour Myrkul, Myrkul takes over and it is the hardest boss fight in the game (you need to fight him alone).
There is a lot of cool stuff which you might not notice. When playing as evil, you can use bluff/lie to gain influence with Kaelyn. Also if you have One of Many in your party, it laughs at the dove from the shadows.
You can ask Kaelyn your "animal nickname", OoM says: "speak the name of the scavenger - a vulture or jackal, anything that gains strength from feeding on the dead... it is a compliment I give you, for in scraping the ashes of the dead, you granted us life"
Best one is when you get Kaelyn devoted, and you lie about being honored by her devotion. OoM says:
the songbird is blind. it senses the lie, but blinds itself to it out of devotion. You have it, completely, utterly, a weapon to use and discard.
It is just so amazing how much detail this game has. Sadly we will never see anything like this ever again.
god the interaction is legendary, i think the closest thing i felt something like this is form kings quest 6 thanks for sharing.
You are most welcome!
I just finished MotB today for the first time. Came here to RELISH Myrkul's sick burns.
Holy hell the channel owner is still active! Thank you!
The most interesting villain ever. Even the most honorable gods can only begrudgingly respect his devious plan to stay alive.
This is how you keep yourself alive, Bhaal.
To be fair, Bhaal's plan didn't risk unleashing a wild, genocidal, god-devouring, soul-eating monster that haunts the planes until it is forced out of Abeir-Toril (but not destroyed) entirely.
I forgot how great this game was. I also forgot how great Myrkul was at roasting everybody. Thanks to you I downloaded it to play again last night.
No one roasts better than Myrkul :D and yay!! Good!! :D
This is one of the best encounters, with so many different paths to take. These games is and art form in itself. Hope they will remake them again.
I would really love it if they did a remaster of this game, that would just be awesome
"Only love could be so cruel"
+Disease Yup! Ugh.. getting urges to play this again! I shall have to satisfy my urges soon.
One of the best games and my fav... A shame not many people played it.
+SteelCrash Agreed, so many people I come across who have not even heard of it.. I have taken it upon myself to educate them all!
+ScaryCareBear You should do that. sadly we will never get a next one.
SteelCrash
I know, it would be so nice if we did :( I was so disapointed when they went the mmo route instead *sigh* don't get me wrong, I do play and enjoy mmos, but I kinda refuse to touch the Neverwinter mmo :/
+ScaryCareBear Even though i don't play mmo's at all i understand what you mean. I have to settle with playing nwn annually (which isn't bad at all).
SteelCrash
Same here ^^ I keep trying to get my fiance to play it as well and he always comes across game breaking bugs that I have never even seen/heard of and can never find anything about them online.. so he's taking it as a sign that he's not meant to play it *sigh*.
I like MOTB. It has a best story for RPG game. So many layers so many thing to uncover. This is why Iike Obsidian more than bioware. No simple go and kill bag guys.
I adore MOTB, to be honest, I think I liked it a little more than the main campaign, don't get me wrong, I love the main campaign, but MOTB just drew me in even more. I'm currently playing through NWN and then I will import my character from that into NWN2 and play all through it again (I get the urge to play NWN2 at least once a year lol!)
***** I agree. Motb have better story than main game.
+ScaryCareBear Then I believe that you really should have a look to Planescape: Torment if you haven't already, and if you can stand the 1999 graphics. Its story, dialogues, characters and outlandish setting is second to none, even though MOTB comes pretty close.
It's something that I have always intended to play to be honest but I have never gotten around to it, thank you for reminding me of it!
Sure :) I'd advise to follow this guide for high-definition support and better UI, if you ever play it: www.gog.com/news/mod_spotlight_planescape_torment_mods_guide
They just don't have writing and dialogue as good as this anymore.
Really disappointed the sequence of the true purpose of the Curse wasn't included here. One of my favorite moments. Really solidifies that the KC is different from any other that either suffered the Curse, or held the Blade.
SAME, came here to rewatch this moment specifically, yet it's not here :(
@@raivin7172 Guess we should record our own gameplay to rewatch specific moments whenever we like.
I finished this game today and it was one of the best gaming experiences eva! I got to this part last night thinking "ok, I go through portal, check new area and continue tomorrow" What you know, with this and Founder I quickly spend couple hours or so. Truly amazing. Thankfully I have save files for every important convo, so I can quickly reload earlier save and enjoy these moments.
gronndar do you have any fave parts? :D
Heh, its easier to pick, which are not. This part, Founder, mask fragment dreams, Okku spirit army battle, everything related to companions, first two Araman encounters and climax ofc. Need to play this as evil to truly appreciate all these choices this game gives.
I tried to play evil but I apparently suck at being evil in this game T.T so good luck xD
The machinations of Myrkul in NWN 2: MotB paid fruit, as now Myrkul is reborn as a greater deity in 5 edition of Forgotten Realms!
Same thing happened to Bhaal! He is also reborn in 5e due to his Bhaalspawn schemes.
Hm, how does that work with the ToB ending with your character ascending?
Good question!
nwn is not considered cannon i believe.
They made the retched book series cannon....
@@onceuponthecross1
Video games are considered canon unless they contradict content in some other Forgotten Realms publication
My first playthrough of Baldur's Gate 3 was in co-op. The first time our characters had that dream, I immediately said, "I've been here before. This is the astral plane, and that's a dead god."
The similarities between this plane's depiction in these two games can't be a coincidence.
EDIT: Also, later: "Oh, hey, it's Myrkul! Did I ever tell you about that time I ate him? Slurped him right up like a piece of spaghetti? Guess that wasn't canon!"
It's not a coincidance inteed, since the game developpers of these two games simply followed the description of the Astral Plane within the official books, there literally are pictures of it in DnD books after all.
Depictions of the exact same thing based on the exact same descriptions and pictures will always have similarities.
Best in this story - opportinity end of suffer of akachi by consuming him and became anti-god, a living hunger of wall, a walking crime of gods. Living rebbelion to "law" of universe, what can destroy setted rule between gods and mans.
Sadly but game think what it is evil choise.
Damn, now I wish I had let Myrkul go off on Kaelyn, that's fantastic dialogue I missed out on.
Bro I was just plunging into the lore of DND and found a reference to this game. Thanks for making the gameplay
You're welcome! If you haven't played this you should defo give it a go!
Never played this game but I might now lmao Myrkul's one of the best villains in the Realms
You should defo give it a go! It's a fantastic game :-D
One of the most imposing villains in video games.. And Myrkul had a such small part in this game..
I wonder if its skull is the one the Emperor resides in in Baldur’s Gate 3…
It is! :D
Myrkul has some good words.
7:55 Ha, that is the ONLY thing the universe bends to - or more specifically will. If a "whim" is backed up by enough will then there is nothing in all the planes that can stop it. Anyone who doesnt believe it should go and play Planescape: Torment.
His voice is charming... Looks like I need to build a temple for the Lord of Bones...
TOP STORY GAMES EVER MADE
Sound track sounds like sone deep cuts Pink Floyd, or Deep Purple.
Lol! Now that you say it..
Myrkul is a chilling villain, amazingly voiced. But he should be more cavalier about being put to rest.
As we learned from his return to divinity, in 5th Edition, can death itself ever truly die?
What if the resurrected Myrkul is none other than the Kalacha, who chose to devour Myrkul soul, absorbing his essence and his will.
@@arx3516 one can live in hope.
@@arx3516 we can but hope.
I don;t know 5th edition lore I am still on 3.5 edition. Myrkul is back?
@@demonofelru3214 All three of the Dead Three got resurrected, Myrkul, Bhaal and Bane.
And this is, ladies and gentlemen, the best dialogue in the gaming industry.
he just wont't die won't he
What is already dead may never die after all.
@@paulpoumet773 The faith generated by people's fear of the spirit eater curse is what is sustaining him; if you have a high enough Wisdom check he will tell you this himself instead of what he says here 12:33
Myrkul's voice sounds shockingly similar to a certain Transformer.
Myrkul did not roast Okku the Bear
Probably knew that Okku wouldn't give a shit xD
The wall of the faithless was why I always sided with Ember in Pathfinder WotR. Sure, different properties, different rules. But very similar, selfish, and downright hypocritical characterizations of Gods. Only Kelemvor seemed to try and create a solution for the countless dead baby or fetus souls on that wall who could not possibly comprehend faith in the way we would. And Ao and the others of the so-called good-aligned Gods wouldn't have him tear it down or redirect faithless souls to his plain because it would be interfering with another God's work. Namely, Myrkul's. At least Withers (Jergal) seems to take a liking to Kelemvor's approach, what with taking care of Arabella after her parents die and her powers awaken.
I wonder what Ketheric would say to Akachi if they ever met depending on how WotC canonize the Neverwinter stuff.
I thought babies went to the topmost layer of the Seven Heavens.
This casts a heavy shadow on BG3's showing of Gods, especially the dead three.
Larian should have just stuck with Bane, called the game "Larian's DND game!" and went with it. Then there wouldn't be games from ~20 years a go that deliver similar but much better in this regard.
Well, boss from act 2 is good. Voice acting on same level as nwn.
@@VITAS874 Writing on the same level as Reddit posts, though. "Oh dear"
lmao cope. this is inferior in every way to the BG3 appearance.
@@KevinM491lolwut, a 20 minute philosophical conversation about godhood, death and destiny with a god vs two lines, 'I will destroy you', and a boss encounter?
@@KevinM491 literal room temperature IQ take 💀
I wander if we will get to see him in baldur gate 3, LS did say that the main plot will involve the dead 3
I really hope so!
Not sure if he'll be as devious as this, though. This game is non-canon on the Forgotten Realms lore, right?
@@budakbaongsiah don't need to canon, just need this kind of voice acting, and a deviles line, back in the novels he was the mastermind behind the hole story.
Well... wonder no more
I really wanna do MOTB again, but I feel like I'll have to do the OC again before starting it. :(
+Yoad Michael You should anyways :D The OC in my opinion is good too ^^
The OC is excellent! The problem is I don't have much time to play games anymore. I also have bitter memories about some repetitive-filler quests, such as the Watch/Thieves questline. MoTB never felt like it had any fillers in it, and the interesting story continued progressing.
@@ScaryCareBear The problem I had with the OC is it can drag in some parts and I tend to stop playing. its been so long since I went through both OC and MotB.
@@Darkwizzrobe yeah it can a bit in parts. I feel like the original Neverwinter nights also suffers from that half way through the game.
*Shit starts happening in Faerun.
Myrkul: Definitely not me. Everyone else is at fault here.
I grew to like him and his troll ways. Even in BG3 he was the most sensible of the dead 3 and actually helped his chosen in ways that no other did. Spoiler* He rid of cancerous Shar from Ketheric's life and gave him his daughter back even though he knew she would throw a wrench in his plans. Because he knew Ketheric loved her more than any power he might possess but alas, he chose Ketheric anyway. Sure Ketheric's cult became as cancerous as any other while ruining his own life and everyone else's but you can see there is some sympathy in Myrkul that none of the other 2 possess.
I never got this far, my pc broke down before I could get to this point, and then when I got it running again I had lost my original cd's.. I live in SEA I had to buy nwn2 in London coz they don't sell nwn2 here in that point in time. I got my hands on a fake copy but that was limited to the Inn downtown. F U A K M E R I G H T.
Ah man that sucks! I know it's nice to own the hard copy, I originally had the hardcopy, but sadly the disc got damaged during my 200 mile move, so I ended up buying a digital copy on gog.com, I would defo recommend getting a digital copy, no chance of getting a fake then or damaged discs etc. If you go to gog.com and type in neverwinter nights 2, they sell the complete edition for £15.39 this version includes all 3 of the expansions :)
How were you able to keep 4 members in your party? I thought you could only take three. Please share your secrets!
I hate to say it, but I had to use a cheat! I love having them all with me and I feel that 4 is a pretty nice number for a party size if I'm honest! Open up the command console by typing ' and then type DebugMode 1 hit enter, type in
rs ga_party_limit([number]) to set the party limit
and then follow it up with this one to add whom your extra party member!
rs ga_roster_party_add(name)
aakachi = nameless one?
Yup!
Wow, is this actually confirmed or a fan theory? It would explain why he sought out Ravel for immorality and why the "Good" incarnation was so coy about why he became immortal in the first place.
How are you traveling with all four of the MOTB companions?
Am using a code that enable you to travel with as many companions as you wish. Would you like the code for it? It's the only "cheat" code I used in the game, I simply like having them all by my side. In the core game though having all your companions with you is far too over powered lol, so would not advise that!
he is kinda degrade a little after his soul was consumed when you see his avatar in bg3
he says as much when you talk to him. As long as he has believers he will persevere.
Witcher 3 < THIS game
I love both
@@ScaryCareBear This is also how I feel. Both are a superb games. : -)
@@Talthain Right? I keep on seeing lately people either saying Witcher is better or vice versa and imo, you just cannot compare them to one another. They are both fantasy rpgs granted, but so completely and utterly different from one another and amazing in their own rights, I love them both so much
@@Talthain NO , MASK OF THE BETRAYER IS INTELIGENT SO MUCH AND PHILOSPHY SO MUCH AND WRITER THIS GAME IS CHRIS AVELONE AND JOSH SAWYER , WITCHER 3 MAIN SCENARIO IS BORING SHIT FOR IDIOT , SORRY BUT IT IS TRUE.
@@ScaryCareBear NO , MASK OF THE BETRAYER IS INTELIGENT SO MUCH AND PHILOSPHY SO MUCH AND WRITER THIS GAME IS CHRIS AVELONE AND JOSH SAWYER , WITCHER 3 MAIN SCENARIO IS BORING SHIT FOR IDIOT , SORRY BUT IT IS TRUE.
Your character’s wisdom is so low ··· You didn't reveal his plans ，that is not good ~
Actually my characters wisdom is near to 20 in this ^^; I have played a few times since though and revealed his plans many times fully just not recorded as only wanted to record that one time ^^
Also the outcome of this play through was still very good :) That and this playthrough was almost exactly 3 years ago xD played at least 5 times since then, yes I'm a NWN addict lol!
***** Every time I played DND games , i use the modifier to adjust my character's intelligence, wisdom and charisma, Warrior class only~ feel no shame , because I just don't want my characters to be a mindlessness guy~ so ~well~I did't know the demand for wisdom point of this scene are that high , (sorry for my poor English···
***** Considering that you loved MOB that much , may i ask you a question ,did you know "The Prophet" series ? it's a MOD from the NWN 1 ,A brain scientist modified it's story and the way of playing , did you know it ?
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No. I have not played the first NWN game in some time to be fair and I rarely ever modded it, mostly played vanilla.
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And no worries, your English is just fine :)
WITCHER 3 boring story of nothing for kids disney < Motb STORY IS PERFECT like Planescape and NIER Gestalt
Aww I love Witcher 3 and Motb though xD
Witcher 3 is shit Planescape and Motb best storyline in the millenium
best voice of millenium rpg witcher 3 is shit
Aww but I love both this and the witcher xD
One of the most addicting games ever, masterpiece