SLEEPER SIMULANT vs ORYX
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Just wanted to point out how cool it looked when he channeled the last blight and you just see the 1 blue lazer constantly firing off while surrounded by an army of red lazers, lol.
Was thinking the same thing
I certainly appreciate the effort, but all the 12 bomb videos are pretty pointless tbh. I'd much rather have 4-bomb weapon comparisons, where if/when the wipe occurs we can see damage numbers.
Same
Agreed. I appreciate the time put in, no nobody is doing 12 bombs
I was actually just thinking about it and wanted to comment on that but you were faster I guess.
For overall damage comparison it makes sense but for like 'realistic' damage comparision its useless
Actually it's 13.
@@greasyasitgets7023 what y not I literally do it 12 bombs every time
Wow the weapon 4 phases oryx, never would have guessed..
I like it better when you do it in a normal length damage window then wipe so we can see numbers
This goes for all content creators. Stop doing 13 bombs, it’s pointless and not a “realistic” test for said weapons. Lfgs have enough on their plate with 4 bombs so hardly anyone will be doing 13.
Literally every single time I’ve done it (4 times) all different groups all lfg everyone did it with 13 bombs lol get gud
@@nashbutler I can do either or. I’m speaking on behalf of the lfg community good sir
@@nashbutler doing 13 bombs isn’t getting good😂 if you really need all them bombs to kill him get better weapons skrubs and stop wasting your time
@@nashbutler thats a huge waste of time
@@nashbutler if you need 13 bomb to kill oryx, you suck ass. YOU'RE the one that needs to git gud in that situation. We didn't even need all 13 for the static triumph, 13 is completely overkill
I think you can probably get any weapon to work 12-bomb lmao, but man compared to a Firing Line Stormchaser or Taipan, Sleeper seems kinda...mid, I guess. Sad.
I really hope bungie sees things like this and tries to change meta by nerfing legendary linears and maybe buffing exotic ones
@@Drenosir or just buff the exotic LFR crit multiplier but decrease body damage to compensate. They don't need to bring legendary LFRs down to make exotics shine. Just make the legendary ones more about ease of use and the exotic ones more about raw damage.
@@GryphinHusky yeah i mostly agree but the thing is that with div linear fusions are the best no matter what and it makes other heavys like rockets worse since they have really low ammo capacity
Plus with any of the legendary linears you can also use arbalest or izanagis in case you run out of ammo.
@@Drenosir i heavily disagree . Exotic class weapons and armor should never be just "better" . Thats not what exotics are about. They sre about being different and having a unique functionality. Sleeper identity in d1 was based solely on it being the only linear . So now that's been taken away they should really give it's other unique identity ,The ricochet rounds some love. Not make it "better" by just increasing it's raw damage.
Poor sleeper. I remember when it used to keep up with Reed's because if you missed a shot with Reed's it was super punishing because of Triple tap and it does considerably less damage to the body for times where you didn't use Reed's.
there was never a point where sleeper kept up with reeds in total dmg
@@douglaswalker7707 there 100% was. Sleeper kept up with reeds before origin traits. Viest Stinger is what made Reeds so good. Gotta remember, Reeds' numbers were artificially inflated during its first season because of the artifact mod causing stasis to do increased damage.
@@Takintomori no, maybe in dps, but in total dmg even before origin traits there was zero reason to take sleeper if you had a good roll on reeds because its total dmg even without thhe origin trait just made it much better than sleeper, the origin trait only increased its dps, but its total dmg output has always been far above what sleeper could do, and yes i remember the mod you take away that and the origin trait its still wasnt close, in there base form, reeds does at least 600 k more total dmg than sleeper so maybe its just me but i dont remember when sleeper became meta or viable after the buffs
@@douglaswalker7707 keep in mind that not everyone could get reeds due to it being locked behind the sweatiest of sweaty pvp mode.
Has anyone tried shooting inside of oryx's chest to see if it's still a sphere like in d1? If it is you could probably hit him a lot more than once just by being close
they nerfed the ricochet damage a ton a long time ago
@@josesarmiento7462 Yes but you can still gain more total damage by doing funny geometry stuff
I haven't tested myself but if it do work, I'll be doing that for the rest of forever
@@josesarmiento7462 would be nice to know either way :)
@@josesarmiento7462 I will forever be curious if they nerfed it so hard because of Gahlran's helmet in Crown of Sorrow.
its a nice concept but any linear can 1 phase with 12 bombs id love to see what does most in a 4 bomb rotation
I love sleeper slap-ulalant, never ceases to amaze me
Would a bunch of cloud strikes be any good? 🤔
Honestly not bad, people give Sleeper a hard time for not being the highest damage but for me it's strength is in being a no frills DPS stick with no RNG involved in getting it, it's something I can point more casual players to and say "Do you have Sleeper? Ok then you're doing fine." and still get a consistent 2-phase on most bosses. (Though I will say Taipan being easy to access makes it somewhat obsolete now, but it's still kind of buried away in menus that can make it easy for new and returning players to miss.)
It's not the best but it's not the worst either, it's a good starting baseline and then you work your way up from there, Legendary Linears are only better if you already have the Godroll in the first place.
Dude. This was essentially a 4 phase. Sleeper I TERRIBLE. This was a horrible performance.
@@FlashesSoccer011 it’s not that bad stop whining
@@FlashesSoccer011 You’re insufferable
I kinda feel like exotic heavys in general are kinda meh for dps rn kinda wish they would rework sleeper into a dealing like 2.5x Damage per shot but take like 3 times as long to charge just like make it an actual spartan lazer but bouncy
I agree, similar but not the same with whisper of the worm. I wish heavy exotics were ya know, exotic
One phases raid boss and deals 160k per shot, but releothunder isn’t pleased
@@jaked4398 that is because of all of the mod stacking. Id definitely like to see exotics being exotic. Its still really viable nevertheless
@@jaked4398 its a 12 bomb dps phase, most weapons can one phase with that
@@jaked4398 I mean, to be fair they did do 13 bomb, so even any legendary linear would "1 phase" at that point
5 sleepers and 1 Div should be the title of this vid
I hoped it would at least do 200k per shot
it is said amongst Guardians that you should NEVER cross the beams
Do the ricochet version does that still do more damage since it shots like 3 or 4 shots in one
They do significantly less damage now. That's been nerfed for ages.
it’s sad, it hits roughly about the same as cataclysmic with bait and switch, with lumina + font + debuff, I hit roughly 149k per crit while looks like sleeper does 161k per crit in the vid. (im 1595 rn, with a 1580 cata so that’s why I get those numbers, I’d assume sleepe would prob do like 170k at 1580).
cata has more ammo + better total damage. it’s kind of sad how even after all the buffs, sleeper got power crept lmao.
what makes sleeper unique is that it hits for a lot on body shot unlike other linear.
@@h13n12 that’s true, it’s the most forgiving linear. that’s what makes it good on bosses that are annoying to hit or, move around a lot like rhulk or sanctified mind. but for raw damage, it’s just not how it was in season of the lost.
@@h13n12 unique doesn't mean useful though, you want it to hit harder on headshots not body
@@filipgora9969 it is useful. it still has very high damage but is a lot more forgiving than normal linear, it's total damage is the thing that's holding it back but you can't win them all.
@@filipgora9969 that’s what exotics are meant to be though. unique, not meta defining
bro why do yall insist on doing the 14 bomb bs, that's not realistic damage... most ppl wanna see damage numbers aswell
How do u make heavy boxes right there??!!!
How do you have all that heavy
Yesterday i try but only 60k of damage withe radiance e arrow of hunter..why? Need some mod?
I don't think there's any good reason why sleeper and Whisper shouldn't be the best heavy DPS weapons. Seeing as they're exotics and the effort it takes to use them in most activities just isn't rewarding enough to take the exotic slot. Makes me wish bungie would buff those 2 weapons especially with either more damage, or maybe up the fire rates. If not buffing those 2 directly.... maybe give legendary linear fusions a tiny little nerf to make them barely worse than sleeper and whisper??? I mean they'd still be amazing to use but I just miss having a reason to use those exotics more than anything else. Whisper logically should be the highest dps weapon in the game with the consistency youd need to use it well.
Sleeper is in a decent position, the problem is one of its perks is literally completely useless (the richochet rounds) for raid boss damage, though its decent for killing something like an ogre if you can be bothered to shoot the crit. Its other perks is alos completely useless, because its just moving target. And the first part of the reflection perk just makes it penetrate targets, which all linears do anywas so thats also useless. If it got its perks changed to be more active then it would be way better.
As for whisper, it needs some sort of rebalance update to fix its economy and damage. Right now it does decent dps, but it runs out of ammo pretty quickly. I personally think they should up the crit multiplier more to bring it in line with most linears and they should bring back the original perk that spawns ammo from thin air, with the balance that whisper can only hold 6 in reserve, 9 with reserve mods. That way you potentially have infinite ammo as long as you dont miss a shot, but if you do miss a few times, you will run out of ammo quickly.
@@snottytoe6957 you literally just skipped over the one reason whisper can't be buffed, div makes crits too reliable, and because that's meta, buffing whisper would make that the only thing being used for boss dps
Sniper PvE Flinch in every capacity needs to be removed, can aim properly if your cursor jumps to the right every time you get breathed on.
@@Laeshen Well there are plenty of things they could do to div as a rebalance. They could redo the crit multiplier system so that div gives lower crit damage at the tradeoff of more consistent DPS. They could make div overide crit multipliers, since whisper has a higher than base crit, it would suffer a pretty large damage penalty from a div bubble. They could redo div to have it wither just debuff a target, or just do the bubble for easy crit, either or. They could use the people that they hired to come up with a rebalance like they are hopefully doing right now, or they could do the most likely thing, which is to ignore div, and ignore old exotics that nobody cares about.
They shouldn't be the best because the best option shouldnt be bought from a kiosk in the tower. right now the good linears come from grinding trials, dungeons and raids. they are guns that make people want to regularly do endgame content. if you already have the best, why would you farm these things? It's just bad game design. exotics should only ever be above average not the best.
I wanna see Quicksilver vs Oryx
5 1k voices vs oryx
So just to be clear how is the dps phase lasting so long?
Sleeper is nice but the amount of ammo you get with triple tap and a legendary linear is too good unfortunately.
You should do 4 phases so you don’t waste any DPS time looking for ammo
But you see that require editing and we cant have that now can we
@@btr1011 I mean I guess if you don’t really care about making content that much
Exotic linear’s really need to just be buffed for what they do a little bit above the legendary’s because what’s the point of making it exotic?
it wont happen. bungie has spent years trying to convince people that the heavy slot isnt the designated exotic slot, look at all the back to back to back primary exotic buffs we've had. bungie seems to want exotics to be strong options but not the absolute peak. which makes sense, your dps loadout shouldn't be 90% finished when you buy an exotic from the kiosk. it's better for the game if they come from trials/raids/dungeons like the linears do now.
@@pandacraftyThat aged poorly
Bungie, do what you did with exotic primaries and give all exotic heavies a 35-50% damage buff against majors and bosses.
So what's the conclusion?
Divi works?
13 bomb damage tests are so useless. You can one phase him with 6 rat king’s in 13 bombs. No one on LFG does this strat because it takes less time to do 8 bombs and you nearly one phase him anyway if no one is throwing on purpose.
Imagine having to LFG every time you raid
5 sleeper + 1 divinity
That was my wish! Thank you Ninjy! Sleeper still great and usable!
It's not tho
@@danielnelson2659 It's kinda unchanged and it always was one of the highest damaging guns in the game. I consider this one as good as Taipan 4FR, or Reed's Regret, and it's kinda better cause body shots have decent damage lol 🤣🤣
@@TITANa.k.a.RADIATION173 cataclysmic and tiapan are 100% better plus who is hitting body shots on dps
@@danielnelson2659 Yes, that guns are better, but it don't make Sleeper a weak gun. Several guns are behind Sleeper. And about the crit shots, i can say we have a chance of fail them (It's not that easy to keep crit shots). So we can experience some "damage lag"
Lol, not sure how you can say it’s “not usable” @Daniel Nelson
How do you guys generate so much heavy? Heavy finisher is gone🤦🏿
Emote name plss
How do y’all get so much heavy ammo?
Aeon Gauntlets
Give sleeper 4th Times the Charm with its catalyst, you cowards!
Should sunbracers vs oryx. Would be interesting to see.
I feel as though all exotic weapons should be really good in their respective classes as you can only use one exotic, but multiple legendarys.
Take DARCI for example this heavy ammo sniper is useless in every situation and absolute garbage for damage while special ammo weapons can beat it which should not be the case, any weapon that consumes heavy ammo should by default do more damage than any other weapons that do not consume heavy ammo.
wait how do you get the red boss bar?
Colourblind settings
Casual player here what is a 12 bomb I keep seeing people mention that
Hawkmoon Vs Oryx?
Gjallarhorn or ager's specter vs oryx
Oryx could not hold the sleep
Damn its damage output is similar to cataclysmic! Its so weak for its charge time and reserve
Would love to see 5 Coldhearts!!
Read the top comment that's telling you it's troll to keep doing it this way because no one actually damages this way...it's a waste. Most people 2 phase which is only 8 bombs lol
would like to see dmg windows on just 4 bombs xD
I'm not sure how the div is helpful here since oryx have a gigantic Crit hitbox... However since i see a lot of people using it, could someone please explain to me why is it necessary ? I usually do this boss with a 5 man squad and we don't even need it to 2 round easily
Div just let's people shoot a huge crit sphere for more damage than if you wouldn't use div, basically easier to damage the boss and more damage dished out to the boss
@@theicedgamer706 no. The only reason people use it on oryx is because it's a free 30% debuff with 100% uptime
@@FlashesSoccer011 yes, using div let's people crit hit easier and do more damage
@@theicedgamer706 it doesn't even make the crit spot bigger on oryx. It's ony used for debuffs
That’s not bad damage but legendary linears are soo much better, I think it needs a small damage buff imo
Damage actually not too bad
Sad video 😅, fell from greatness to dust
what about parasite
Idea: Legend of acrius (new catalyst) vs raid bosses.
Anything is gonna do a good damage with that long of a phase, smh
13 bomb strat is fantastic for teaching no raiders how to initiate damage consistently, and also allows for a long ass period of time for DPS. I definitely think a spliced version with 1 or 2 phases would make the most sense for comparisons sake tho
(resident)sleeper
1 div 5 sleeper.
common
Request for Leviathan's Breath
13 bombs really isn’t good testing, you can’t kill him with a wave grenade launcher in a 13 bomb.
WHERE ARE THE NUMBERS? 😢
Tag me when you go back in doing 4 bomb only , 13 bomb is hella boring
This gun has a terrible ammo reserve problem.
Telesto the Besto?
No wonder sleepers good
Normal dps strat pls
Can you do tests with no div? I’m just curious on the damage without it.
Bro, I do the same dmg with each shot of my catacmismic, but sleeper shoots slower, has less ami and don't have 4th time the charm... Sleeper is clearly under
be like that when you give cataclysmic a 35% dmg boost and the ability to only use up half the ammo, with 3/4 the charge time and not even half the reloads.
Day 2 of saying whisper needs a buff
Please just do a normal damage phase these are not very helpful or interesting as you don't see the proper performance of the weapon when it has a 2hour damage phase
4 bomb scenarios please
Pog
Do 1k but 4 bomb.
Yeah do regular damage phases. Doing stack bomb strat for dps is false advertising
honestly its chunking
13 bombs are useless
All these videos are so pointless when you do 12 bombs lmao 💀
I did this with bubble and well and rocked a 980,000 damage hit.
Unrealistic dps