Great visualization. Here are some thoughts as requested. EVA Deck - Lunar dust was a huge problem on Apollo. It adhered to everything, was very difficult to brush off and the particles and smell over a long period induced coughing and nausea. Need a suit cleaner or a suit lock to keep the dust out of the airlock. The advantage of Starship is potential big bulky payloads. Think that Lunar Starship would have a way to get bulky items into the airlock beyond the personal accommodation door or a separate cargo lock.
Looks great! Looking forward to your next videos. My 2 cents: - No Stairs. A ladder is fine. - Redundant airlocks - Medbay next to airlock - Spacesuit-airlocks - Modular storage/instruments everywhere
*Did I forget to say how amazing this looks! Great job!* Gives me chills to imagine walking/floating through a real, all new & shiny Starship like this on the way to the Moon! #goelon #gonick
so why are the suits stored in vacuum? how would you get to them? unless the access deck (which, I'm salivating at the prospect of actually having decks in a spacecraft) can be pressurized.
Amazing. Now build the common room with the giant windows and special 0g seats and theater. And shouldn't the lift down to the surface be connected to the outside of the ship with rails?
You'll have to revisit your design. SpaceX as part of their bid and as part of NASA's own findings, noted that the HLS Starship had dual redundant airlocks--which they noted was a major benefit to NASA's mission profiles and safety considerations.
Could all the spacesuits be in the open part of the bay that will be exposed to the lunar surface, with the rear (climb in and out from the back) on the other side of the bulkhead, in the non exposed side. There could be a pressure hatch or cover that comes down to over the rear of the suit entry to seal off that part once the suit disconnects from the access/storage frame. Scrubbers and cleaners built into the Suit 'Locker" to keep contaminants out of the habitable area? Electrostatic cleaning? Cheers?
Hi Nick, another great video. A few thoughts. There's going to be issues with dust as shown in the design. I know how Apollo did it but the dust is going to be everywhere. Its statically charged so it spreads like crazy and its really bad for the lungs. I'm not sure if thats just quite the design I would go for in terms of practicality. A smaller decompressable space might be better. Definitely with those walk in space suits if they can do it (was that part of your design? it wasn't clear.). Also, there has to be a backup entry system in case the lift breaks. Literally, there has to be a ladder or something in case the lift breaks.
don't know about stairs for the interior - uses up too much room a ladder would make better sense, especially when dealing with zero G environments. the area would need to be big enough to fit a moon buggy
My notes, in order as things appear: - The outside lacks the raised “spine” and rail which the elevator uses. You could also look at MADV for this sort of system at different angles. This part is minor to me however. - Why in your overall “skeletal” diagram are there decks below the EVA deck and the ring of engines? It seems to me clear that this space is for tanks, which I think one can derive from the idea that those engines need piping to get their propellant. - Why are there not two air locks, as described by NASA? And why are the suits on the other side of the airlock? From your door design I think you made the assumption that this whole area is pressurized but to repressurize it every EVA would be incredibly wasteful. Far more likely, the suits are behind the airlock. This way the door can be simpler and with some judicious rearranging you can get more floor space. I do hope to see your future videos. I’ve seen many tackling this and no one ever seems to cover all the known facts at the very least. Perhaps you will be the one.
I would keep the wall/air-lock at the bottom of the steps, but he's right, your final air-lock chamber needs to be much smaller. I would build a wall around the elevator cage, maybe with a nice big door to get big stuff in & out. This final air-lock would include an air-blast Dust Mitigation Apparatus. BUT... where will we store & repair the Cybertruck? Maybe move this "Human air-lock" deck up one level, and leave this bigger level below wide open & set up with Cybertruck & all the tools & gear needed to build & repair stuff, like a tender/toy garage on a super-yacht. #goelon
And this is not how you go through airlocks. Both doors are closed to start. You open first door and walk through. You close door (both doors closed). Air goes away in airlock. You open the second door and exit.
Great points! The raised spine in the offical renders, if I'm not mistaken, is the raceway for flight systems not part of the lift. But ill look into that. For the lower decks when I compared the sizes of starship sn15 and this one there is plenty of room for extra storage under the hatch and landing thrusters, if that's what they are, so I put storage there on top of the methane tank. For the second air lock I will be in the nose intended for 0g and docking but that could be completely wrong? Also the wasted air on this size of an air lock is a problem as others have stated. I'll look into that. Lots of room could be saved docking the suits to a pressurized area. Thanks for the great ideas and points! Hope to see some changes in the next episode!
@@NickHenning3D On the models, the raised bit has a line through the middle, exactly like the MADV lift. Perhaps an assumption but its suspiciously similar and really, it would be helpful not to rely soley on the wires, not even elevators on Earth do that. On the extra space others have suggested that the tanks are extended to provide more capability. Now my initial assumption would be that those decks would be pressurized, but if they were extra unpressurized cargo space, I could definitely see it. As for the air lock, source selection calls it "two airlocks providing redundant ingress/egress capability, each with independent environmental control and life support capabilities that can provide a safe haven for crew." All that points to me to two air locks by which crew can leave and enter from the lunar surface.
4 legs not enough! Lose/break 1 of 4, you die. Lose/break 1 of 6, you fix or replace it, then go home. Starship needs #Springblade landing legs! #goelon
@@joacogonzalez1430 Apollo LM also wasn't 50m tall & 1500 tons, and wasn't planning on offloading 100 tons of gear! SN15 & all SN that flew have 6 legs. Look at structure of Skirt & hexagonal bottom Skirt ring, 100% designed for 6 legs. Sometimes their animated images are legacy. SpaceX website currently showcases Booster with 6 fin-legs. Legacy.
Great visualization. Here are some thoughts as requested.
EVA Deck - Lunar dust was a huge problem on Apollo. It adhered to everything, was very difficult to brush off and the particles and smell over a long period induced coughing and nausea. Need a suit cleaner or a suit lock to keep the dust out of the airlock.
The advantage of Starship is potential big bulky payloads. Think that Lunar Starship would have a way to get bulky items into the airlock beyond the personal accommodation door or a separate cargo lock.
I can't wait for more!
Please give us more!
Thanks for your amazing work!
It's truly inspiring.
Will do! Thanks.
Smallstars video was more of a history of airlocks this is a actual realistic concept. Amazing work.
Thanks! Much more to come.
This is so beautiful, I can't wait to see what the real design looks like
Thanks you, have a ways to go!
It will definitely need loos. They seem to be missed a lot in sci-fi. That and a good storage cupboard.
Got to have your storage!
Awesome! Can't wait for the rest! 👍
Nice 👍 looking forward to the other sections.
Thanks! Can't wait to make them.
Looks great! Looking forward to your next videos.
My 2 cents:
- No Stairs. A ladder is fine.
- Redundant airlocks
- Medbay next to airlock
- Spacesuit-airlocks
- Modular storage/instruments everywhere
Thanks and good ideas. I'll see what I can get in for the next episode.
Spacesuit backs into ingress/egress ports on pressurized bulkhead.
@@imconsequetau5275 HLS won't be using suitports
@@imconsequetau5275 The axiom suits don't use suitports.
Love it! Don't forget the sonic showers
Of course 😎
I'm lovin 'it ♥️
very very nice.....
Thanks!
That's so cool, man.
*Did I forget to say how amazing this looks! Great job!* Gives me chills to imagine walking/floating through a real, all new & shiny Starship like this on the way to the Moon! #goelon #gonick
great job
Thanks.
it's amazing, thanks a lot!
Very well done! Exciting! #goelon
Thanks!
New episode please love it
good work
Thanks!
Dust Mitigation Apparatus will be crucial to keep dust outside.
I have an idea for air jets along the path of the lift to blow dust back to the surface as they return up?
@@NickHenning3D I like it! #gonick
U rock!
so why are the suits stored in vacuum? how would you get to them? unless the access deck (which, I'm salivating at the prospect of actually having decks in a spacecraft) can be pressurized.
That's was my thinking. The whole area can be pressurized when not open.
Amazing. Now build the common room with the giant windows and special 0g seats and theater. And shouldn't the lift down to the surface be connected to the outside of the ship with rails?
That would be so cool! Not sure on the lift. I'll look into that.
Soft rollers should be sufficient. There is no wind load.
@@rwilson1125 For braking mechanism for redundancy.
There are 2 airlocks on the design
You'll have to revisit your design. SpaceX as part of their bid and as part of NASA's own findings, noted that the HLS Starship had dual redundant airlocks--which they noted was a major benefit to NASA's mission profiles and safety considerations.
The second airlock might be in the nose to accommodate a capsule connection. (No need for header tanks in the nose.)
Perhaps some section for getting rid of that awfully abrasive lunar dust could be unless eva suit storage would take care of that?
Could all the spacesuits be in the open part of the bay that will be exposed to the lunar surface, with the rear (climb in and out from the back) on the other side of the bulkhead, in the non exposed side. There could be a pressure hatch or cover that comes down to over the rear of the suit entry to seal off that part once the suit disconnects from the access/storage frame. Scrubbers and cleaners built into the Suit 'Locker" to keep contaminants out of the habitable area? Electrostatic cleaning? Cheers?
Hi Nick, another great video. A few thoughts. There's going to be issues with dust as shown in the design. I know how Apollo did it but the dust is going to be everywhere. Its statically charged so it spreads like crazy and its really bad for the lungs. I'm not sure if thats just quite the design I would go for in terms of practicality. A smaller decompressable space might be better. Definitely with those walk in space suits if they can do it (was that part of your design? it wasn't clear.). Also, there has to be a backup entry system in case the lift breaks. Literally, there has to be a ladder or something in case the lift breaks.
Just needs a modest hoist crane and/or leg powered ratchet track that bypasses the main tracks and cage. No need for ladder rungs.
Elon needs to hire you!
don't know about stairs for the interior - uses up too much room a ladder would make better sense, especially when dealing with zero G environments. the area would need to be big enough to fit a moon buggy
My notes, in order as things appear:
- The outside lacks the raised “spine” and rail which the elevator uses. You could also look at MADV for this sort of system at different angles. This part is minor to me however.
- Why in your overall “skeletal” diagram are there decks below the EVA deck and the ring of engines? It seems to me clear that this space is for tanks, which I think one can derive from the idea that those engines need piping to get their propellant.
- Why are there not two air locks, as described by NASA? And why are the suits on the other side of the airlock? From your door design I think you made the assumption that this whole area is pressurized but to repressurize it every EVA would be incredibly wasteful. Far more likely, the suits are behind the airlock. This way the door can be simpler and with some judicious rearranging you can get more floor space.
I do hope to see your future videos. I’ve seen many tackling this and no one ever seems to cover all the known facts at the very least. Perhaps you will be the one.
I would keep the wall/air-lock at the bottom of the steps, but he's right, your final air-lock chamber needs to be much smaller. I would build a wall around the elevator cage, maybe with a nice big door to get big stuff in & out. This final air-lock would include an air-blast Dust Mitigation Apparatus. BUT... where will we store & repair the Cybertruck? Maybe move this "Human air-lock" deck up one level, and leave this bigger level below wide open & set up with Cybertruck & all the tools & gear needed to build & repair stuff, like a tender/toy garage on a super-yacht. #goelon
And this is not how you go through airlocks. Both doors are closed to start. You open first door and walk through. You close door (both doors closed). Air goes away in airlock. You open the second door and exit.
Great points! The raised spine in the offical renders, if I'm not mistaken, is the raceway for flight systems not part of the lift. But ill look into that.
For the lower decks when I compared the sizes of starship sn15 and this one there is plenty of room for extra storage under the hatch and landing thrusters, if that's what they are, so I put storage there on top of the methane tank.
For the second air lock I will be in the nose intended for 0g and docking but that could be completely wrong?
Also the wasted air on this size of an air lock is a problem as others have stated. I'll look into that. Lots of room could be saved docking the suits to a pressurized area.
Thanks for the great ideas and points! Hope to see some changes in the next episode!
@@clarkkent7973 this was intended for the whole area to be functional in a vacuum but it may be to big of an area. Thanks!
@@NickHenning3D
On the models, the raised bit has a line through the middle, exactly like the MADV lift. Perhaps an assumption but its suspiciously similar and really, it would be helpful not to rely soley on the wires, not even elevators on Earth do that.
On the extra space others have suggested that the tanks are extended to provide more capability. Now my initial assumption would be that those decks would be pressurized, but if they were extra unpressurized cargo space, I could definitely see it.
As for the air lock, source selection calls it "two airlocks providing redundant
ingress/egress capability, each with independent environmental control and life support capabilities that can provide a safe haven for crew." All that points to me to two air locks by which crew can leave and enter from the lunar surface.
Show Heavy being caught by its 2 holding balls. And then show Starship also being caught by 2 retractable holding balls just under the front flaps.
Video?
4 legs not enough! Lose/break 1 of 4, you die. Lose/break 1 of 6, you fix or replace it, then go home. Starship needs #Springblade landing legs! #goelon
I agree but the offical renders have 4 legs. Must be very confident in thier design!
@@NickHenning3D also, the Apollo lunar module had 4 legs and it was ok
@@joacogonzalez1430 Apollo LM also wasn't 50m tall & 1500 tons, and wasn't planning on offloading 100 tons of gear! SN15 & all SN that flew have 6 legs. Look at structure of Skirt & hexagonal bottom Skirt ring, 100% designed for 6 legs. Sometimes their animated images are legacy. SpaceX website currently showcases Booster with 6 fin-legs. Legacy.
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