@@jackwhitetron Don't worry. Xmen has started picking up in numbers so the incels who bought the awful comics are no longer required. They are getting mainstream back
Apocalypse God is feeling hurt and now he is lashing out. All of the emotional maturity he had has just gone down the toilet. I was looking forward to seeing him grow!
When fans say that the x men are going back to the mansion, most of us didn't mean it literally. It means that the x men and their ancillary characters, villains and such, are going back to being just superheroes. During the Krakoan era, both heroes and villains became heads of state, leaders of a nation, and got to show dimensions and facets never before seen. Xavier, Magneto, Storm, even Apocalypse became three dimensional characters, mixtures of good and evil. The end of Krakoa signifies that the x men will be losing that depth, going back to mostly the one dimension--that of superheroes. To me, that's a loss and something to mourn. I'll probably follow the from the ashes stuff at least to some degree, but I fear it won't be as compelling as the Krakoan era.
I’m just happy there *WILL BE* exceptions to this, at least for a little bit, like og Aussie Pyro being on X-Factor, which is an added bonus justifying my pre-ordering it (main reason I’m buying is because Mark Russel has always been a great writer on both DC and Marvel, with a keen eye for satire).
I have no beef with Charles Xavier. All leaders have their flaws. There are times where you’re going to have to do the wrong things for the right reasons.He’s kind of like a true father. The things he (a father) will do and say will not be popular, not so fun and may even seem unkind, will all make sense in the future and you will come to appreciate him more. That’s how I see Xavier.
I think the point moving forward is that no one person(mutant) or small collective should be in charge and make majority of the decisions undemocratically. People have flaws therefore leaders will always have flaws however we are stronger and wiser when we work together so it’s better to have a rotating collection of leadership that’s elected by as much of the mutants as possible.
Krakoa would be dead without Apocalypse. He literally saved it through the crucible with Wrongslide. That was just a few weeks ago lol. He saved Storm, Sunfire and the rest of Arakko in Al Ewing's Genesis war. He did that by avoiding violence and embracing mutant magic. That was just a few months ago. Then he clearly stated his dream is not for mutants to simply "survive" through war/violence, but to "thrive." Again that was just a few months ago. And lets not even get into X of Swords, where he repeatedly showed its not about him. Seems like the writers REALLY wanted an outdated version of Apocalypse to return. And the way Exodus somehow ended up being one of the good guys here is hilarious. Terrible writing.
As an Apocalypse stan I find his misuse in most of HOX/POX frustrating. He had his history and supporting characters expanded in a very impactful way, but he himself spent most of his time in a supporting role off panel and that last fight sequence pretty much made it even more apparent that they just didn't know what to do with him. It's just an excuse to set up a replacement for Apocalypse rather than writing Apocalypse himself well. Disappointing.
I actually liked this run. Messy ending but I enjoyed a chunk of it. I actually had stopped reading X-men for sometime after the X-men vs Inhumans event. The 2010s overall was such a mess I stepped away for a bit, but Karkoa brought me back and I'll stick around to see how the next X-men arcs are to see if I stick around to that end.
It was the most bizarre sequence of events. Didnt help that the illustrations changed too. Made it feel like a mashup of different storese. Exodus lashes out at Kafka for no reason. Apocalypse shows up to save Kafka and seemingly kills Exodus? Then Apocalypse lashes out for no reason and tries to kill Kafka? Then everybody gets PTSD from the pre-Krakoan era and tries to jump Apocalypse?? Somehow in the end, Exodus is alive and is treated like one of the good guys, and Apocalypse is now a villain again? This issue was so trash
UNCANNY X-MEN #35 could be a Marvel milestone because its apparent meta-commentary addresses the genre's reluctance to evolve instead of Marvel's usual 'do not acknowledge - move on to the next thing' farewell. It critiques Krakoa's failure to revolutionize comic storytelling because people are not ready for change. The 'stupid' Apocolypse fight that comes out of nowhere, turning Xavier's school into a prison, the reversing dichotomy of Xavier and Magneto, the 'parents' being judged despite best intentions, and the X-Men being denied the 'Promised Land' like Moses are passive-aggressive commentaries akin to Millar's 'Fuck You!' moment in 2005's WANTED. Yet, Millar's climax was revolutionary for its time. And while reading Uncanny X-Men #35 evoked similar feelings, WANTED was a declaration of change, while X-Men's felt like aggressive progressive finger-pointing: 'We can't have this because the world sucks.'
I was with you until you brought up Wanted, that felt more like a fuck you to me, than to the industry itself. Maybe if Millar was a smarter less “dudebro” kind of writer the intent of the meta commentary would have been more apparent to me, who didn’t know that was supposed to be its hidden message the first time I read it. Instead it felt like he was just mocking superhero comics fans like me, who ever dreamed of reading lasting character growth. And to his assertion that mainstream superhero comics are a waste of time, I just have this to say: if Screaming Mimi and all the other Thunderbolts can become more more well rounded characters with the only one falling victim to the dreaded status quo was Baron Zemo once Busiek and Nicieza were done with them, well then I say any D-lister has the potential to become a great character, and not just villains, look what Ryan North was able to do to Squirrel Girl and Brain Drain in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl!
Honestly overall I feel Apocalypse part was funny and could understand his thoughts. I was scared at first they were gonna regress him to the villain apocalypse. I do feel from his PoV his work done for Arrako & Krakoa is definitely not appreciated enough. In the new Krakoa seemingly we know almost all combative mutants left , so I doubt any person who knew Apocalypse was left there to even tell his truth. So I definitely can feel what Apocalypse was preaching.. Glad he went back to Arrako. Honestly my thoughts for him in this run was that he should've been treated as a Godfather figure. Both feared & respected. Hopefully they don't regress him in Heir of Apocalypse
I just knew Apocalypse would backslide and whoop ASS.Genesis ain't want no punk, she said I know you love you some Storm ,but if you don't go down there and stomp a hole in there -A-.😂😂😂
Loved that Apocalypse was that psychopathic friend you forgot was a psychopath until he tried to kill all the people you brought back when he realized no one was into fighting anymore. I feel like they pleased everyone here and so- no one is really pleased but at the same time we can't complain. This new podcast girl villain, Dr. Ellis- I was so disturbed by the 3/4 face panel you showed- her eyes must be really close together for this angle to be possible. Kinda silly buut more than anything this era gave mutants a solid win- no one can eradicate mutants anymore- it's impossible. It will be interesting to see how Jean and the WHR will develop as stories move on.
Good video!👍🏿 The House of X/Krakoa era is definitely an intriguing X-Men story arc which I'm a bit sad that it's finally over. To me, the epilogue was okay. I think I prefer the final battle with the X-Men vs. Apocalypse over the Phoenix vs Enigma/Cosmic Mr. Sinister battle since the Phoenix has been overused during the past several years. The Nightcrawler and Mystique part seems nice, Xavier and Magneto conversation about the future was fine and Xavier's mind prison loophole seems cool. I wasn't really feeling the whole X-Mansion being turned into a prison idea, but let's wait and see how that turns out.
Cable said there would be a second krakoan age. Also i hope "evan" came back and becomes the heir , he deserved better than what age of xman did to him
I'm extremely disappointed with how they ended the Krakoan age. It started out so ridiculously well, and now, seemingly due to the MCU's influence, Marvel rushed to bring it to a close and very much screwed the pooch, so to speak. It's pretty sad, but I'm still really grateful for the initial Hickman Krakoan run, given that it was easily one of the best X-Men arcs ever written. That being the case, though, some part of me wonders if the end of this saga was always doomed to fail. Even if Hickman had stayed on for the full ride, I think the latter part of this age would probably pale in comparison, even if it was significantly better than what we got here. Is what it is, I guess. I suppose I'm fortunate for simply being alive in a time wherein I can complain about I wish my favorite comics were better. 🤷🏼♂️
Another explanation might be The Scarlet Witch tried to resurrect those 16.5 million too and when she did they began coming back as Zombies (Empyre tie-in) in what had to be the FUNNIEST F'ING part of the whole event because these Zombies happened to be Vegetarians, the invaders were made of PLANT MATTER 🤣, and the fight was over before even a single shot was fired. So those 1.5 million dead mutants might be the zombies created by The Scarlet Witch and in order to bring them back The Scarlet Witch would have to end the spell that resurrected them which she might not have the power to do because to even cast that spell Wanda needed a lot of forbidden dark magic.
The whole resurrection thing, maybe mutants can still be resurrected, maybe by other powerful mutants, but I think that maybe, just maybe, they could have resurrection in the form of technology or other things like from Mr. Sinister, or even Beast, because Beast was able to resurrect himself without The Five or anything else. Maybe they can work with that. Tell me what you all think.
Chuck is an a-hole... but he wasnt wrong in buying time or needing to make hard calls Hate the return of old apocalypse... definitely lazy premise ... love the growth/path of krakoa Kaint wait for the Shiar contingent to pop back up
I don't think old apocalypse is back. He saw reason at the end of this issue. Also, in the beginning of heir of apocalypse, it seems like he's still on talking terms with the mutants and trying to help them
If they make Apocalypse and Magneto evil again…. Xavier allowing himself to become a prisoner makes no sense. And how come none of the X-Men have ownership over the mansion?
31:34 That was my take away from the situation. The guy's been talking about being "done", "my time is over", "no more" for a while now, and he's antagonising everyone in a very calculated way. It comes off as very self-destructive if not suicidal.
The mighty retcon button for big ‘PAC. And the X-Men will be overstuffed with events that turn even the best ideas into diluted mush by summer 2025. Paint it how you want: this era had far too many books being shipped out.
I do like the Claremont bit in there. Whilst Kurt being their kid wasn’t his first idea, it’s the one where Nightcrawler isn’t genuine demon spawn so I’m good. As for the titles I’m looking forward to, Simone’s uncanny, the Kitty and Emma Book, Storm, NYX, X factor and Dazzler.
Oh sure. You are happy that Kurt a heretic is no longer the son of a mutant that was closer to his creator's wishes than this will ever be. But what about Rogue Destiny and Mystique and what this has done to those characters? The tunnel vision keeps people dense.
@ blerd, you be biting my steez, sometimes, it's okay though. Permission granted b. Peep game: I feel like the battle was intentional. Remember in the Rise of Krakoa, during the beginning of Hickman's run, when they dedicated an entire issue to Crucible to show how Apocalypse is, and Nightcrawler couldn't stomach it? Then Apocalypse disappeared, Fall of X happened, he came back, was STILL the same, but Nightcrawler wasn't. NOW, after fake murdering folks, after pretend Spider-maning, after dying and rebirthing 100+ times fighting that Celestial, Nightcrawler the muhf-- who will take yo eyes out, Omega, God level, S-tier, etc. Whatever. Even Wolverine was like, you got some cojones (balls), bro. Kitty was there for a min., but she quit. My only point was, Nightcrawler seemed to have an overarching storyline that was planned. We'll see where it goes.
I think Charles overextended himself talking to Jean like that. Perhaps purposefully? It caused a stroke and he died for a second and wakes up paralyzed?
Azazel is still kinda Kurt's father. Raven literary changes her biological structure to (at least the people she sleeps with) and she used Azazel's dna to impregnate Destiny
I HATED how Apocalypse and Exodus so easily fell back to villainy!!!! This great big reset is not feeling good to me. At least Arrako is still a part of 616
Mystique & Destiny are both terrible people, they're evil villains &don't deserve a happy ending. But they were the ones that are somehow the focus of pride-month? Very questionable in my opinion but lets just forget that Destiny sold out the planet to keep Mystique alive or the thousands of people Mystique has killed, hell her enemies are getting them wedding gifts &they're getting married at Avengers-Mansion??? (I kno it's not their headquarters but it's still mad weird) This is superhero comics &that's the problem all these writers want to be writing something else. And even after all this BS Destiny &Mystique still abandoned their children while they sleep. There are heroes and villains &it's shit like this that ruins comics today
It wouldve been better if all mutants would’ve went to mars a they use the gates as rescue points for other mutants…they could’ve had x-men international going across the world an x-men interstellar going across the galaxy building a empire an taking claim to the area of space when the kree an skrolls share
Okay or maybe Noob Saibot it will be someone like Triborg, and be a amalgam of 2 dead Lin Kuei ninjas and the Enenra and if you read the story About them they are slain warriors and made it smoke and vapor,.... What if these souls were in the Nether realm and merged into Noob Saibot
I think its kinda weird that Jean doesn't forgive Charles. He actively helped Jean try to reignite the Phoenix. Not a huuge complaint but i like the idea that she "gets" him. Just a lil more evidence that these two do hetter when used sparingly and apart from the team.
I didn't take it as her not forgiving him, but rather her saying it's not her place or role to forgive him. Which yeah, she doesn't really have any beef with him and she can't really speak for others. Same with the idea that Magneto was telling Xavier off in their conversation, where honestly they just seemed to be going "welp, this wasn't the outcome we hoped for huh". Even Charles being petty has him immediately acknowledge that he is being petty and he just doesn't have a lot else left, and Magneto seems to get that.
@@deadpool-s3s X-Men 97 was great. If you looked closely, some parts of the way they portrayed genosha was inspired by krakoa. The comics and the series are sperate universes and they're both great.
@@deadpool-s3s the council in genosha resembles the quiet council including some of the members. The parallels are obvious. It's been stated that it's a nod to krakoa. With regards to "saving" X-Men, the krakoa comics consistently sold well. I'm not sure of the comic sales of the new stuff since it just came out. What makes you think X-Men needed saving?
@@erikayers5643 It's misogynistic bullcrap that insulted three female characters to boost a man. It insulted Rogue the adopted kid, erased a lesbian rep couple and it tried to boost a man who didnt deserve to get boosted. Worst retcon ever
Yea…now back to status quo of mutants fighting mutants, while being hate upon by humanity. Dance monkey dance mentality Marvel has when dealing with mutants.
he and Dr stasis tried to capture mother righteous and she used a "thank you" from dr stasis to take control of him and have him turn his weapon on stellaris and kill him
@@LohengrinX14Not going to lie, that is a cool magic of her’s. Although, the funniest moment was when Selene trolled her going “yeah, I used to do that but then I saw the loopholes. Tough break.”
@LohengrinX14 You see the spell wearing off and Stasis and Orbis both fine as they catch up with Selene a few pages later. And that's the last time we see Orbis. Guy just decided to cut his losses and go home I guess.
@@gota7738 I mean, the guy has intergalactic strings he could pull so I wouldn’t be mad if the most underdeveloped of the Sinister 4 lived to die another day.
@@christopherbennett5858Same! I heard there was more planned with him but when they cut the issue order his role got axed. I'm happy if they keep him around to do more, and give him the time to make proper use of him. Especially since the Phoenix series seems to be a Cosmic based one.
I’ll be honest I never liked the krokoa era. It felt too much like it was pro segregation. Mutants can only thrive with no humans. That’s a dark depressing anti diversity message. Plus mutant only nations always, ALWAYS end in tragedy. I’m not gonna miss krokoa.
It was a good read, and I really liked that Apocalypse revealing his true intent and went off. It wasn't that Apocalypse saw a mirror and didn't like it, this is Apocalypse here and he doesn't sweet that type of stuff. He was pissed off cause they not only no longer needed him, but this new Krakoa was stepped away from his hard lessons. They not only reject his radical ideas, but they reject him and he wasn't having that. Sorry Ernie, but what we saw with Apocalypse during Okkara's peace time was him impressing that. But that' not who he was when he first went there or before it, even Genesis was like what the hell dud and was happy when war broke out on Okkara cause he returned to that. This is who Apocalypse is, and he always putts himself as head above all else. And you left out the part where yes Jean and Emma showed and said they are everything he wanted. But he ended by saying that his magic has brought us to this moment, but that it holds no sway, over this undiscovered country. Either way, I said from the jump he was playing the same game he did when he first appeared, just this time he did it through magic and even throw in a few new twists. But when he learned that they rejected is lessons, and way of doing things, worst of all that he was nothing more then a footnote. Oh boy did he go off. But 1 of the things I found off was he left and said he'll find a new heir to continue for the future. That it slipped through his fingers? One that doesn't sound like him, and two those in the White Hot Room have nothing to do with now or the future of Earth or Arakko. He still has those on Arakko that warship him and his ways, and he still has Earth's mutants do shape. So why bother finding an heir? 2 Krakoa and resurrection is suppose to be done, but their still doing it in WHR, say for resurrection which the guy said is done. It's just that it's suppose to be done, and it seems like they can go there whenever. So keeping this isn't really moving on from the Krakoa era. 3 they said they brought back all those dead from Genosha? Didn't they use all those dead to bring life to the past in Threshold. I mean Kitty played a big real in sending them back in time, even her father was one of those dead spirits that was used to form Threshold. So I'm confused by this part. 4 I wasn't a fan of them using different artist for like every couple of pages. The art was good, I'm just not a fan of doing that. Also; Azazel is Nightcrawlers father, Mystique used his genetic material and Baron Wagner. It's kind of a headache, but tactically all three are his father.
This is the worst idea imo. It makes 0 sense and destroys/complicats the mutant population imo. On Mars/Arrako would have been so much cooler than the White Hot Room imo.. They destroyed both the Phoenix Force and the mutant population with this one. I stopped reading it
This ending flopped. The only good thing was Apokolypse becoming his old villainous self. I would have preferred that Charles Xavier had killed Moira and they all end up back at the X-Mansion and Mr. Sinister and Charles Xavier are the only ones who know about that time.
@@deadpool-s3s we're all entitled to our opinions. No need to be name call. We're all fans of X-Men here. I wish you well and I hope for more great X-Men content
@@deadpool-s3s I'm also glad rogue is getting the spotlight. She's a great character. In the comics right now Storm is on top. We all love that these ladies are getting what they deserve.
@@jackwhitetron Rogue never got nearly as much respect as Jean and Storm that's the problem. She is always the objectfied play thing of writers and if not then she was shelved. Even her origins got retconned and butchered to service Nightcrawler. And Mystique is getting a solo before Rogue. Not fair at all.
Sorry but except for the artwork which I enjoyed Uncanny 700 (legacy numbering) was BASURA....,👎🏾😡👎🏾 The only thing that had that dope, CLASSIC X-Men feel was when old school, survival of the fittest En Sabah Nur was going ham on EVERYONE. And I have to add that the SECOND Nightcrawler origin retcon is just as horrible as the infamous and reviled "Draco" retcon....😡 I liked it WAAAY better when his Dad was a German count that Raven had settled down with....hinting that Kurt came from German NOBILITY. They could've explored that aspect of his family tree and gone in an infinitely more interesting directions. Instead we get more agenda-driven nonsense....👎🏾
After from the ashes the x men will be back to where they were in the late 1970's. The school will be back, professor x will be back and we'll have good mutants vs bad mutants. Thanks to Disney and the mcu
It's a bittersweet ending. I really enjoyed this era of x-men
Me2. Started buying comics again because of krakoa. Not sure I'll continue after this
@@jackwhitetron Don't worry. Xmen has started picking up in numbers so the incels who bought the awful comics are no longer required. They are getting mainstream back
Apocalypse God is feeling hurt and now he is lashing out. All of the emotional maturity he had has just gone down the toilet. I was looking forward to seeing him grow!
All that time he spent with his wife and children probably destroyed that Apocalypse
@@jeremiahmorris1852Yeah. He was not putting them on his Christmas card list anytime soon after Xmen Red.
@@jeremiahmorris1852 "WITHOUT"
@@darthonyx2382 after X of Swords he spent time with them
Even if Hickman had stayed on, this was always how it was going to end with Apocalypse.
Heck Hickman himself teased it early on.
This hurt my f**king heart. Krakoa is the Hattori Hanzo sword of X-Men stories.
Agreed. Son sad
At least Marvel safely stored Krakoa in it's closet, rather than out right trash it; like DC did to New Krypton.
Right! I was waiting for Marvel to wipe Krakoa out of existence. Especially when the plot started getting crazy.
So, basically, the issue was: Alright, wrap it up! Fuck it! Get out!
"You don't have to go home, but ya can't stay here!"
When fans say that the x men are going back to the mansion, most of us didn't mean it literally. It means that the x men and their ancillary characters, villains and such, are going back to being just superheroes. During the Krakoan era, both heroes and villains became heads of state, leaders of a nation, and got to show dimensions and facets never before seen. Xavier, Magneto, Storm, even Apocalypse became three dimensional characters, mixtures of good and evil. The end of Krakoa signifies that the x men will be losing that depth, going back to mostly the one dimension--that of superheroes. To me, that's a loss and something to mourn. I'll probably follow the from the ashes stuff at least to some degree, but I fear it won't be as compelling as the Krakoan era.
I agree, well said.
I’m just happy there *WILL BE* exceptions to this, at least for a little bit, like og Aussie Pyro being on X-Factor, which is an added bonus justifying my pre-ordering it (main reason I’m buying is because Mark Russel has always been a great writer on both DC and Marvel, with a keen eye for satire).
not all x-men got new facets, like vulcan reverted further than war of king, king breaker chracterization.
@@pif375 Smart writers will make Empath even worse, since he had a chance at happiness through new friends and completely blew it in Hellions.
@@pif375 fair enough.
I have no beef with Charles Xavier. All leaders have their flaws. There are times where you’re going to have to do the wrong things for the right reasons.He’s kind of like a true father. The things he (a father) will do and say will not be popular, not so fun and may even seem unkind, will all make sense in the future and you will come to appreciate him more. That’s how I see Xavier.
I think the point moving forward is that no one person(mutant) or small collective should be in charge and make majority of the decisions undemocratically. People have flaws therefore leaders will always have flaws however we are stronger and wiser when we work together so it’s better to have a rotating collection of leadership that’s elected by as much of the mutants as possible.
Deadly Genesis kind of ruined his image and made him very flaw.
Krakoa would be dead without Apocalypse. He literally saved it through the crucible with Wrongslide. That was just a few weeks ago lol. He saved Storm, Sunfire and the rest of Arakko in Al Ewing's Genesis war. He did that by avoiding violence and embracing mutant magic. That was just a few months ago. Then he clearly stated his dream is not for mutants to simply "survive" through war/violence, but to "thrive." Again that was just a few months ago. And lets not even get into X of Swords, where he repeatedly showed its not about him. Seems like the writers REALLY wanted an outdated version of Apocalypse to return. And the way Exodus somehow ended up being one of the good guys here is hilarious. Terrible writing.
I don't think apocalypse went full villain. He got some sense knocked back into him by jean. Hopefully all his growth isn't just thrown away.
As an Apocalypse stan I find his misuse in most of HOX/POX frustrating. He had his history and supporting characters expanded in a very impactful way, but he himself spent most of his time in a supporting role off panel and that last fight sequence pretty much made it even more apparent that they just didn't know what to do with him. It's just an excuse to set up a replacement for Apocalypse rather than writing Apocalypse himself well. Disappointing.
I actually liked this run. Messy ending but I enjoyed a chunk of it. I actually had stopped reading X-men for sometime after the X-men vs Inhumans event. The 2010s overall was such a mess I stepped away for a bit, but Karkoa brought me back and I'll stick around to see how the next X-men arcs are to see if I stick around to that end.
It is Hilarious to think that Apoc came and Stopped a fight only to turn around mins later and start one 😂
"Yall thought yall were going somewhere huh?"
It was the most bizarre sequence of events. Didnt help that the illustrations changed too. Made it feel like a mashup of different storese. Exodus lashes out at Kafka for no reason. Apocalypse shows up to save Kafka and seemingly kills Exodus? Then Apocalypse lashes out for no reason and tries to kill Kafka? Then everybody gets PTSD from the pre-Krakoan era and tries to jump Apocalypse?? Somehow in the end, Exodus is alive and is treated like one of the good guys, and Apocalypse is now a villain again? This issue was so trash
Wolverine looking through that hole gave off Jack Torrance vibes. lol
UNCANNY X-MEN #35 could be a Marvel milestone because its apparent meta-commentary addresses the genre's reluctance to evolve instead of Marvel's usual 'do not acknowledge - move on to the next thing' farewell. It critiques Krakoa's failure to revolutionize comic storytelling because people are not ready for change. The 'stupid' Apocolypse fight that comes out of nowhere, turning Xavier's school into a prison, the reversing dichotomy of Xavier and Magneto, the 'parents' being judged despite best intentions, and the X-Men being denied the 'Promised Land' like Moses are passive-aggressive commentaries akin to Millar's 'Fuck You!' moment in 2005's WANTED. Yet, Millar's climax was revolutionary for its time. And while reading Uncanny X-Men #35 evoked similar feelings, WANTED was a declaration of change, while X-Men's felt like aggressive progressive finger-pointing: 'We can't have this because the world sucks.'
I was with you until you brought up Wanted, that felt more like a fuck you to me, than to the industry itself. Maybe if Millar was a smarter less “dudebro” kind of writer the intent of the meta commentary would have been more apparent to me, who didn’t know that was supposed to be its hidden message the first time I read it. Instead it felt like he was just mocking superhero comics fans like me, who ever dreamed of reading lasting character growth.
And to his assertion that mainstream superhero comics are a waste of time, I just have this to say: if Screaming Mimi and all the other Thunderbolts can become more more well rounded characters with the only one falling victim to the dreaded status quo was Baron Zemo once Busiek and Nicieza were done with them, well then I say any D-lister has the potential to become a great character, and not just villains, look what Ryan North was able to do to Squirrel Girl and Brain Drain in Unbeatable Squirrel Girl!
Kafka Looks like Jay-Z
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Love these longer vids Blerd. Really awesome for road trips or working in the yard!
Amen!!
Honestly overall I feel Apocalypse part was funny and could understand his thoughts. I was scared at first they were gonna regress him to the villain apocalypse. I do feel from his PoV his work done for Arrako & Krakoa is definitely not appreciated enough. In the new Krakoa seemingly we know almost all combative mutants left , so I doubt any person who knew Apocalypse was left there to even tell his truth. So I definitely can feel what Apocalypse was preaching.. Glad he went back to Arrako. Honestly my thoughts for him in this run was that he should've been treated as a Godfather figure. Both feared & respected. Hopefully they don't regress him in Heir of Apocalypse
So the children of the White Hot Room now not the Children of the Vault. I see what they did there.
I just knew Apocalypse would backslide and whoop ASS.Genesis ain't want no punk, she said I know you love you some Storm ,but if you don't go down there and stomp a hole in there -A-.😂😂😂
*shrugs* ...at least it didn't end in genocide?
Yes it was rushed but definitely had some beautiful parts. Tthe genosha mutants coming back + Xavier was right definitely were my favorites
Loved that Apocalypse was that psychopathic friend you forgot was a psychopath until he tried to kill all the people you brought back when he realized no one was into fighting anymore. I feel like they pleased everyone here and so- no one is really pleased but at the same time we can't complain. This new podcast girl villain, Dr. Ellis- I was so disturbed by the 3/4 face panel you showed- her eyes must be really close together for this angle to be possible. Kinda silly buut more than anything this era gave mutants a solid win- no one can eradicate mutants anymore- it's impossible. It will be interesting to see how Jean and the WHR will develop as stories move on.
i'll *never* read another x-men comic again.
Good video!👍🏿 The House of X/Krakoa era is definitely an intriguing X-Men story arc which I'm a bit sad that it's finally over. To me, the epilogue was okay. I think I prefer the final battle with the X-Men vs. Apocalypse over the Phoenix vs Enigma/Cosmic Mr. Sinister battle since the Phoenix has been overused during the past several years. The Nightcrawler and Mystique part seems nice, Xavier and Magneto conversation about the future was fine and Xavier's mind prison loophole seems cool. I wasn't really feeling the whole X-Mansion being turned into a prison idea, but let's wait and see how that turns out.
Cable said there would be a second krakoan age. Also i hope "evan" came back and becomes the heir , he deserved better than what age of xman did to him
I'm extremely disappointed with how they ended the Krakoan age. It started out so ridiculously well, and now, seemingly due to the MCU's influence, Marvel rushed to bring it to a close and very much screwed the pooch, so to speak. It's pretty sad, but I'm still really grateful for the initial Hickman Krakoan run, given that it was easily one of the best X-Men arcs ever written. That being the case, though, some part of me wonders if the end of this saga was always doomed to fail. Even if Hickman had stayed on for the full ride, I think the latter part of this age would probably pale in comparison, even if it was significantly better than what we got here. Is what it is, I guess. I suppose I'm fortunate for simply being alive in a time wherein I can complain about I wish my favorite comics were better. 🤷🏼♂️
Krakoa always sucked
Another explanation might be The Scarlet Witch tried to resurrect those 16.5 million too and when she did they began coming back as Zombies (Empyre tie-in) in what had to be the FUNNIEST F'ING part of the whole event because these Zombies happened to be Vegetarians, the invaders were made of PLANT MATTER 🤣, and the fight was over before even a single shot was fired. So those 1.5 million dead mutants might be the zombies created by The Scarlet Witch and in order to bring them back The Scarlet Witch would have to end the spell that resurrected them which she might not have the power to do because to even cast that spell Wanda needed a lot of forbidden dark magic.
Cassandra is back. That's what I think the ending means (the thing at the end with Xavier I mean).
I thought they left Cassandra in the past (which was a TERRIBLE idea)
really surprised jean didn't whoop apoc's ass. also surprised apoc decided to lash out in front of her, knowing full well he would be humbled.
Why is magneto in a floating chair in the new covers if he is now younger?
I'm wondering the same thing as I thought they were resurrected in their physical prime, which I thought was about 25
The whole resurrection thing, maybe mutants can still be resurrected, maybe by other powerful mutants, but I think that maybe, just maybe, they could have resurrection in the form of technology or other things like from Mr. Sinister, or even Beast, because Beast was able to resurrect himself without The Five or anything else. Maybe they can work with that.
Tell me what you all think.
Nah what you said makes sense or maybe synch could take hopes place
Chuck is an a-hole... but he wasnt wrong in buying time or needing to make hard calls
Hate the return of old apocalypse... definitely lazy premise ... love the growth/path of krakoa
Kaint wait for the Shiar contingent to pop back up
I don't think old apocalypse is back. He saw reason at the end of this issue. Also, in the beginning of heir of apocalypse, it seems like he's still on talking terms with the mutants and trying to help them
If they make Apocalypse and Magneto evil again….
Xavier allowing himself to become a prisoner makes no sense.
And how come none of the X-Men have ownership over the mansion?
31:34 That was my take away from the situation. The guy's been talking about being "done", "my time is over", "no more" for a while now, and he's antagonising everyone in a very calculated way. It comes off as very self-destructive if not suicidal.
Hope + Legion + Phoenix = what universe??!?!
Great video. Not all coverage on this issue has been equal (good). Thanks for the quality vid
I am surprised you didn't catch the "Nightcrawler" reference from the House of X first book when Nightcrawler and Kafka said goodbye to each other.
Omg bro that thumbnail tho!🤣🤣🔥
The mighty retcon button for big ‘PAC. And the X-Men will be overstuffed with events that turn even the best ideas into diluted mush by summer 2025.
Paint it how you want: this era had far too many books being shipped out.
How many times does Marvel think they can sell, ‘You know, as a person, Xavier kind of sucks actually.’
The krakoa arc was amazing
Not
@@deadpool-s3s it was
@@CoryAkabueze It was full of mischaracterizations and neglected big players like Rogue
The only thing I didn’t see that I wanted to see was more of doom and Genesis playing the part against Nimrod
I do like the Claremont bit in there. Whilst Kurt being their kid wasn’t his first idea, it’s the one where Nightcrawler isn’t genuine demon spawn so I’m good.
As for the titles I’m looking forward to, Simone’s uncanny, the Kitty and Emma Book, Storm, NYX, X factor and Dazzler.
Oh sure. You are happy that Kurt a heretic is no longer the son of a mutant that was closer to his creator's wishes than this will ever be. But what about Rogue Destiny and Mystique and what this has done to those characters? The tunnel vision keeps people dense.
WTF🤬 Happened To ARAKKO?
They fucked it all up😅
Apocalypse is going back to rule it.
What do you mean? It's still there
@@jackwhitetron 🤣 yeah you late, I know now, but STiLL, they could have kept ❌-Men RED going.😐
Don't know how I missed that legacy issue.
@ blerd, you be biting my steez, sometimes, it's okay though. Permission granted b. Peep game:
I feel like the battle was intentional. Remember in the Rise of Krakoa, during the beginning of Hickman's run, when they dedicated an entire issue to Crucible to show how Apocalypse is, and Nightcrawler couldn't stomach it? Then Apocalypse disappeared, Fall of X happened, he came back, was STILL the same, but Nightcrawler wasn't. NOW, after fake murdering folks, after pretend Spider-maning, after dying and rebirthing 100+ times fighting that Celestial, Nightcrawler the muhf-- who will take yo eyes out, Omega, God level, S-tier, etc. Whatever. Even Wolverine was like, you got some cojones (balls), bro. Kitty was there for a min., but she quit. My only point was, Nightcrawler seemed to have an overarching storyline that was planned. We'll see where it goes.
One issue ago, Jean was an allegory for God but she watched as Apocalypse beat down Exodus and people she's known for decades. Hmmmm.
Nah the current mutants could never. They had what Kafka and his Krakoa didnt. Enemies. Current mutants had active enemies.
Yeah… when you exist outside of spacetime, you’re not going to have many visitors.
😂 @ Relegated to sitting down somewhere 🫵🏽👉🏽🦼
Next time I need to tell someone to stay out of my business, that's what I'm going to tell them. "You've been relegated to go sit down somewhere" 😂
I think Charles overextended himself talking to Jean like that. Perhaps purposefully? It caused a stroke and he died for a second and wakes up paralyzed?
My impression was that he was trying to end himself
Wolverine gets nerfed in every comic except “Wolverine.”
You ever think he's just buffed in wolverine ???? Maybe that's it
I don't think he was nerfed here. He went up against magneto and apocalypse who he has no hope in winning against.
Azazel is still kinda Kurt's father. Raven literary changes her biological structure to (at least the people she sleeps with) and she used Azazel's dna to impregnate Destiny
Horrible retcon
@@deadpool-s3s I know it sucks
Did I miss the wrap up for Araakko?? Did the writers forget they have an entire planet???
Arako is still there. Apocalypse is one of it's leaders
@jackwhitetron yea I saw that last week, which makes how things went with Krakoa and how things are going forward even dumber
I HATED how Apocalypse and Exodus so easily fell back to villainy!!!! This great big reset is not feeling good to me. At least Arrako is still a part of 616
If this was the way Apocalypse was intended to go... this needed to be done over the course of a mini series set on Arrako. Just so rushed!
So does this mean my favorite Marauders are all back?
Mystique & Destiny are both terrible people, they're evil villains &don't deserve a happy ending. But they were the ones that are somehow the focus of pride-month? Very questionable in my opinion but lets just forget that Destiny sold out the planet to keep Mystique alive or the thousands of people Mystique has killed, hell her enemies are getting them wedding gifts &they're getting married at Avengers-Mansion??? (I kno it's not their headquarters but it's still mad weird) This is superhero comics &that's the problem all these writers want to be writing something else. And even after all this BS Destiny &Mystique still abandoned their children while they sleep. There are heroes and villains &it's shit like this that ruins comics today
Did I miss what happened on Arrako?? Last I seen Storm and genesis were in a war
I think Hope Summers and Exodus should be a couple.
It wouldve been better if all mutants would’ve went to mars a they use the gates as rescue points for other mutants…they could’ve had x-men international going across the world an x-men interstellar going across the galaxy building a empire an taking claim to the area of space when the kree an skrolls share
Nightcrawler would be more like his AoA counterpart more like azazel
Rasputin IV is on a milk carton Now I see smh but this the book I need I got my closure hopefully Hickman can. Do krokoa 2 down the line
That Apocalypses tantrum was so out of character to me. Him getting angry I believe but him getting that emotional confused me
Peep the run time!
My hope is they brought back talon for my guy sync
8:10 lol game of thrones
So is Orbis Stellaris dead because I don't remember him doing anything after trying to capture Mother Righteous
It sucks bc the weiter cluld have made mini issue's about life on krokoa or a nini issue about the 5
Who else wants to see Storm vs Volta?
Okay or maybe Noob Saibot it will be someone like Triborg, and be a amalgam of 2 dead Lin Kuei ninjas and the Enenra and if you read the story About them they are slain warriors and made it smoke and vapor,.... What if these souls were in the Nether realm and merged into Noob Saibot
I think its kinda weird that Jean doesn't forgive Charles. He actively helped Jean try to reignite the Phoenix. Not a huuge complaint but i like the idea that she "gets" him. Just a lil more evidence that these two do hetter when used sparingly and apart from the team.
I didn't take it as her not forgiving him, but rather her saying it's not her place or role to forgive him. Which yeah, she doesn't really have any beef with him and she can't really speak for others.
Same with the idea that Magneto was telling Xavier off in their conversation, where honestly they just seemed to be going "welp, this wasn't the outcome we hoped for huh". Even Charles being petty has him immediately acknowledge that he is being petty and he just doesn't have a lot else left, and Magneto seems to get that.
Could Sync replace hope in the 5 circuit?
He has in the past
......onslaught
I gonna miss Krakoa age!!!
This new era already looks bad!!!
Mutants are back to their back bencher second rate status where marvel likes to keep them.
It's great and Rogue is finally getting time to shine. Xmen 97 audience are the target since you guys didnt save Xmen
@@deadpool-s3s X-Men 97 was great. If you looked closely, some parts of the way they portrayed genosha was inspired by krakoa. The comics and the series are sperate universes and they're both great.
@@jackwhitetron Not at all. Xmen 97 was inspired by Xmen 97 and Age of Apocalypse. If it was like Krakoa Rogue wouldnt even be in it barely
@@deadpool-s3s the council in genosha resembles the quiet council including some of the members. The parallels are obvious. It's been stated that it's a nod to krakoa.
With regards to "saving" X-Men, the krakoa comics consistently sold well. I'm not sure of the comic sales of the new stuff since it just came out.
What makes you think X-Men needed saving?
Apocalypse still hasn t lost his touch
He seems stronger than ever
Dude soloed everybody and didn't give af
Is archangel not alive? I thought they resurrected everyone?
We here for it Bro 💯
So what happened to the Arrakki mutants?
Storm won civil war. Some of those who lost get in line, others were exiled.
Who
We definitely need that what if? Mystique had raised nightcrawler now.
No thanks. We need that whole retcon undone.
@@deadpool-s3s y
@@erikayers5643 It's misogynistic bullcrap that insulted three female characters to boost a man. It insulted Rogue the adopted kid, erased a lesbian rep couple and it tried to boost a man who didnt deserve to get boosted. Worst retcon ever
@deadpool-s3s tell me how u really feel sheesh. I wasn't even trying to dig that deep with it. Just thought it would a interesting story
@@erikayers5643 No thanks. Women, lesbians and pro adoption folks are really really mad at it
That thumbnail is hilarious. This issue was meh. I'm frustrated, unhappy and just disappointed.
How would A stand a chance against Jean Grey?
He wouldn't, that's why he told her that he was wondering how she would enter the fight.
Yea…now back to status quo of mutants fighting mutants, while being hate upon by humanity. Dance monkey dance mentality Marvel has when dealing with mutants.
Why is Beast trusted and free after what he pulled?
That's the old (good) beast
um... Avengers BC Phoenix, Thor's midwife, anyone?
Hope you're having a good day
What happened to Orbis Stellaris
he and Dr stasis tried to capture mother righteous and she used a "thank you" from dr stasis to take control of him and have him turn his weapon on stellaris and kill him
@@LohengrinX14Not going to lie, that is a cool magic of her’s.
Although, the funniest moment was when Selene trolled her going “yeah, I used to do that but then I saw the loopholes. Tough break.”
@LohengrinX14 You see the spell wearing off and Stasis and Orbis both fine as they catch up with Selene a few pages later.
And that's the last time we see Orbis. Guy just decided to cut his losses and go home I guess.
@@gota7738 I mean, the guy has intergalactic strings he could pull so I wouldn’t be mad if the most underdeveloped of the Sinister 4 lived to die another day.
@@christopherbennett5858Same! I heard there was more planned with him but when they cut the issue order his role got axed.
I'm happy if they keep him around to do more, and give him the time to make proper use of him. Especially since the Phoenix series seems to be a Cosmic based one.
I’ll be honest I never liked the krokoa era. It felt too much like it was pro segregation. Mutants can only thrive with no humans. That’s a dark depressing anti diversity message. Plus mutant only nations always, ALWAYS end in tragedy. I’m not gonna miss krokoa.
Same
Thank God this is over.
Can Cyclops cry?
Looks like Clairemont's writing is still kind of stilted. Still, he's responsible for so much classic storytelling that could be built on for decades.
He destroyed his own legacy
It was a good read, and I really liked that Apocalypse revealing his true intent and went off. It wasn't that Apocalypse saw a mirror and didn't like it, this is Apocalypse here and he doesn't sweet that type of stuff. He was pissed off cause they not only no longer needed him, but this new Krakoa was stepped away from his hard lessons. They not only reject his radical ideas, but they reject him and he wasn't having that. Sorry Ernie, but what we saw with Apocalypse during Okkara's peace time was him impressing that. But that' not who he was when he first went there or before it, even Genesis was like what the hell dud and was happy when war broke out on Okkara cause he returned to that. This is who Apocalypse is, and he always putts himself as head above all else. And you left out the part where yes Jean and Emma showed and said they are everything he wanted. But he ended by saying that his magic has brought us to this moment, but that it holds no sway, over this undiscovered country. Either way, I said from the jump he was playing the same game he did when he first appeared, just this time he did it through magic and even throw in a few new twists. But when he learned that they rejected is lessons, and way of doing things, worst of all that he was nothing more then a footnote. Oh boy did he go off. But 1 of the things I found off was he left and said he'll find a new heir to continue for the future. That it slipped through his fingers? One that doesn't sound like him, and two those in the White Hot Room have nothing to do with now or the future of Earth or Arakko. He still has those on Arakko that warship him and his ways, and he still has Earth's mutants do shape. So why bother finding an heir? 2 Krakoa and resurrection is suppose to be done, but their still doing it in WHR, say for resurrection which the guy said is done. It's just that it's suppose to be done, and it seems like they can go there whenever. So keeping this isn't really moving on from the Krakoa era. 3 they said they brought back all those dead from Genosha? Didn't they use all those dead to bring life to the past in Threshold. I mean Kitty played a big real in sending them back in time, even her father was one of those dead spirits that was used to form Threshold. So I'm confused by this part. 4 I wasn't a fan of them using different artist for like every couple of pages. The art was good, I'm just not a fan of doing that. Also; Azazel is Nightcrawlers father, Mystique used his genetic material and Baron Wagner. It's kind of a headache, but tactically all three are his father.
This is the worst idea imo. It makes 0 sense and destroys/complicats the mutant population imo. On Mars/Arrako would have been so much cooler than the White Hot Room imo..
They destroyed both the Phoenix Force and the mutant population with this one. I stopped reading it
They are their own worst enemy
@@draggoon9121 the mutants or Arrako?
@@afro_princess1671Maybe they mean Marvel
Where is cable???????????
Trying to be an heir of apocalypse
This ending flopped. The only good thing was Apokolypse becoming his old villainous self. I would have preferred that Charles Xavier had killed Moira and they all end up back at the X-Mansion and Mr. Sinister and Charles Xavier are the only ones who know about that time.
I miss krakoa. From the ashes isn't doing it for me so far
Krakoa sucked. Incels who liked Krakoa better can get rekt
@@deadpool-s3s we're all entitled to our opinions. No need to be name call. We're all fans of X-Men here. I wish you well and I hope for more great X-Men content
@@jackwhitetron Nice to see Rogue finally get attention after YEARS of misogynist writers. So get used to it
@@deadpool-s3s I'm also glad rogue is getting the spotlight. She's a great character. In the comics right now Storm is on top. We all love that these ladies are getting what they deserve.
@@jackwhitetron Rogue never got nearly as much respect as Jean and Storm that's the problem. She is always the objectfied play thing of writers and if not then she was shelved. Even her origins got retconned and butchered to service Nightcrawler. And Mystique is getting a solo before Rogue. Not fair at all.
So far ending Krakoa seems to have been a really bad idea that’s full of bad writing.
All of it
This was rushed
Yes
Sorry but except for the artwork which I enjoyed Uncanny 700 (legacy numbering) was BASURA....,👎🏾😡👎🏾
The only thing that had that dope, CLASSIC X-Men feel was when old school, survival of the fittest En Sabah Nur was going ham on EVERYONE.
And I have to add that the SECOND Nightcrawler origin retcon is just as horrible as the infamous and reviled "Draco" retcon....😡 I liked it WAAAY better when his Dad was a German count that Raven had settled down with....hinting that Kurt came from German NOBILITY. They could've explored that aspect of his family tree and gone in an infinitely more interesting directions. Instead we get more agenda-driven nonsense....👎🏾
The different artists messed this comic up
I'm not a fan of this artist. The body design of the characters is horrible.
Bletd is way too wordy. This video could have shorter if he would not use so much filler words.
After from the ashes the x men will be back to where they were in the late 1970's. The school will be back, professor x will be back and we'll have good mutants vs bad mutants. Thanks to Disney and the mcu
Thank you late stage capitalism ❤ maybe that series will be generated by AI authors 😂
Good. So no more ridiculous mischaracterizations