Check out the Store: www.longshotstore.com/ Join the Discord channel: discord.gg/drNE6bT Hey guys. In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the F14 Tomcat fighting 2 MiG31 Foxhounds. And I finally figured out how to defeat the R37 missile. Hope you guys enjoy!
Hahaha that is called a low yo-yo. 14.42 to beat r37 .you can do that also gaining altitude and it's called high yo-yo. try this with the Phoenix missile. don't slave the missile. fire Dum then turn on missile in-flight. it's part of tws radar the secondary scan. the missile will fly with a flat trajectory. another maneuver. s turning .sounds exactly what it is doing an s towards your opponent you could even make it a barrel roll. A little more difficult dodging then the high or low yo-yo what can combine both
I think, he watches the Tac view because longshot is still maneuvering infront of the pearly gates. Peter needs to know WHEN EXACTLY he has to open the gates.
Love this video, would have loved to see one more attempt with the data you collected from the last fight. Hour long video would be awesome. One of the best videos from you I have seen. Thank You!
That's a cool way to use the very high speed of the R-37 against it. It makes sense though. Being very fast generally means having a huge turn circle. It doesn't matter how much energy the missile has if it can't turn tight enough to make the intercept.
That's actually a known weakness of the Phoenix as well: at extended range, it can't turn hard enough to chase fighters all that well because it is also hypersonic for a good part of its flight profile (the AIM-54C hits Mach 5 while the A and B variants hit about 4.6). Missiles like that are meant to hit slow-movers like bombers, AWACS, tankers, etc and not fighters. What Longshot is doing here is not unlike how Jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson, and Joe Frazier would get inside the reach of their opponents: highly evasive and erratic movement to make the other guy miss.
Very interesting process - thanks. What eventually worked for you is the same maneuver that was adopted by Israeli pilots for missile evasion in Yom Kippur war - a barrel roll. This was used by the pilots after consultation with mathematicians and aerospace engineers to create the biggest challenge to the leading algorithms of these missiles and it reduced the loss ratio from the beginning of the war towards the end.
I am reminded that the tactic that you used resembled the corkscrew manoeuver used by RAF Bomber Command pilots in WW2 when a Luftwaffe night fighter was detected.
nope the plane was built to be a +9 -5 G aircraft the 6.5 G limit you are siting is a soft limit imposed by the navy to stretch the air-frame hours as far into the future as they possibly could
@@silverphinex well, flight manual from 2001 says 6.5Gs, page 4-9. Doesn't say "exceed when necessary", though There's another manual, from september 1980 iirc. It says "current structual limit" And the highest number is 6G There's also a "projected structual limit" where the highest number is 7
@@ГеоргийМурзич yes and those manuals were made after they found out they were not getting new airframes and they had to make the ones they had last far longer than the Original contract Specified. The original Delivery Grumman certified to the navy +9 -5 G for the number of Flight hours that were specified in the contract
@@silverphinex which manual states those numbers? There's 1992 F-14D chart, stating 6.5G limit. There's 1988 one, stating the same (1 year before tomcat production was cancelled). But I'm yet to see any pilots manual saying that those restrictions are purely for extending tomcats live Anyway, if we believe for a moment that F-14 is capable of 9Gs and the restrictions are almost cosmetic... Do F-15s have the same 6.5G limit? Those are really old airfraimes nowadays. Same goes for F-16s
That was one of the most informative, and exciting videos I've seen. I especially appreciate the analysis. The F-110 powered F-14 was definitely the best pure naval fighter built. To defeat multiple R-37M shots is no small accomplishment Just imagine if there were 2 Tomcats! Spectacular fight. Keep 'em coming!
When you guys do these Tac Views, it really improves the usefulness of these videos. I realize that one goal is simply entertainment, but the goal of this video, is to illustrate improving your performance. I’d like to see more of this.
Yeah let's get back to using tact views a little more often like the old days when you were flying on GS channel! You learned quick and got a good sense of humor. Love your channel bro
It's funny, I was just thinking earlier today that it might be possible to dodge missiles differently if you could see them coming with something like the distributed aperture system and then you went and posted this. It looks like a good way to defend while higher or faster to recommit with more energy, awesome vid
I know that, in another comment on this vid, I teased you a bit about the use of TacView, but tbh I am VERY impressed with how effectively you made use of it to dramatically adjust and improve your tactics . I was leaning and cringing and ducking all the way - an incredible ride!!! Kudos, LS! 👋👋👋
Great job. I have been telling GS to do those kinds of missile defensive maneuvers in his videos. It's better than always diving away and trying to stay out of the MAR. You want to make the missiles pull lead and bleed their energy in more than one direction. And you maintain your altitude and ability to go back on offense quicker.
You had this! I really liked the long format with going back and forth to tacview and applying what you learned from it I would love another video where you get back in the tomcat and give it another go
Hey long shot, That's exactly what that maneuver is called is a corkscrew. If you notice, they are not like 9x thrust vector. The design of that missile is as such. When it gets with in certain parameters, the motor shuts down to slow it down so it can predict the interception. Similar to Phoenix but we shut ours down a little further out. Changing your AOA of your nose authority. That's what they're tracking and trying to predict. Where are you going to be? Even though they don't give the Phoenix the distance that it really has, at least they have given it. It's proper auto shutdown within parameters to continue to have a high probability of the intercept. The Russian missiles they bring it into so close by the time it shut down. Just a little nose authority just like you're doing. Says it all. Loved it brother!👊😎 AWESOME ! Keep them coming 🫠
Once ignited, solid propellant rocket motors can't be shut down and will keep burning (at rate determined by temperature/pressure) until there's no propellant left. Solid propellant is literally like big chunk of slowly burning explosive. You need liquid propellants, or hybrid motor (with usually oxidizer as liquid) to be able to shut down motor and either would be by itself significant extra complexity.
@@tuunaes I can't speak for Russia but the Phoenix missile is designed to get an altitude advance approximately 80k than it will shut off or run out either like you said fuel ie of any kind. Or proxy to the interception. Watching it in real life a couple times and watching it on DCS. The range seems to have little effect. The r27 from 20 mi closure or a 60 mi closure it shuts down late at almost impact so it does not have enough time to adjust for the maneuvers. As the Phoenix and what you say, may very well may be true and I will go along with that for the reasons of the climb and design of the Phoenix. So when it comes down even at terminal velocity, It has plenty of time for the intercept. All I did was describe what I seen between the 2 different types of long shots. BVRs. I thank you though very much. It does make sense but if that was the case the Russian rocket will still be burning at 20 mi and run out of fuel ie any kind. From a further shop. That's my point. Every time it gets to within a certain distance, it shuts down every time. This is where I came up with the theory of the Russian missile having a proxy fuse on it. It knows how close it is to the target. I really appreciate it. It does give me a little better aspect of Russian missiles. And it very well. May be the same for the Phoenix, but there's a reason why we want it to go high is so it has all the time in the world even at terminal velocity when they think that they have out maneuvered it even at 200 knots boom. 👊😎 Appreciate it 🕊️
Great analysis and development of a counter maneuver. I think it is customary to name an aerial maneuver after the person that developed it; shall we call it the "LongShot"? As an example: "That missle was heading straight for me, but I pulled a LongShot and defeated it."
Imagine an F-14F or F-14G ... something as new as the MIG-31. An AESA of some sort, and AMRAAM to replace Sparrows.... maybe some F119 or F135 engines ... Maybe some "AIM-54E"... just an AIM-54 but with the seekers from AIM-120 C7 or D1 I think an updated F-14 could readily win 1v2 against something like MIG-31. It won't happen now of course - but it was a huge mistake to retire the Tomcat when they did. Now ... I'm gonna go watch GS's new Fleet Defender video ...
They made the R-37 way too good in this game. It’s not a 300 mile, Mach 5 amraam. It’s meant to go after large, unmeneuverable aicraft. The motherland bias is really showing in this case.
Great video and Tacview analysis, LongShot! I've now seen GS use your newly developed tactic successfully as well. The synergy between you guys is priceless. Now I submit it's time. Time for... Two Morons vs. Two Foxhounds! C'mon! I want to hear you guys laughing as you splash those Cold War rocket-bricks! 😁
Hi GS, very informative video! The F-14 was originally rated at 7.5G but was reduced to 6.5g to extend the life of the planes. But since when do fighter pilots fly below the limits?
Ayo love the 3rd person and bandit camera/views Longshot. Really adds a lot to the video as you can see both your actions/reactions and the bandits movements.
You just shared how to defeat Russia's most advanced A2A missile on youtube- you may want to put out an "I'm not planning to commit suicide" statement, and avoid any high windows 😂. Joking, obviously- great video.
Great vid. Trying to maintain effective guidance for your own weapons while keeping your speed up and maneuvering inside the MAR to defeat incoming weapons; what a dance!
I love how you said “a few more times” in the beginning and you kept getting smoked lol. Way to keep at it, it was actually really entertaining and educational.
They were designed to climb fast shoot and then out run the missiles shot at them, Foxhounds also could act as a mini AWACs to guide the shorter ranged tactical fighters like MiG-29s and MiG-23s
The MIG-25 and MIG-31 were designed for the interceptor role, the last US plane to be purely designed for the interceptor role was the F-106. The US airforce has used F-4, F-15, F-16, F-22, and F-35 (I believe some interceptor squadrons are using F-35s) for the interceptor role since the F-106 left service. The MIG-25 was a rush job for high speed and high altitude interception of the XB-70 which ended up never going into service, the MIG-31 was a much improved plane.
The MiG 31 was an incredibly fast beast, with powerful engines and a powerful radar, it was used for intercepting strategic bombers as well as intercepting stratospheric ballistic missiles. With its speed, it is more than capable of chasing the SR-71 or B-2 Spirit.
On paper this is a good match up 2 high speed interceptors going heads up. The advantage for the f14 in closer combat can be negated by the longer range radar of the mig 31 and higher climb rate.
today modern combat is totally different, Russia already pulled off mig31 painting with radar and s300,s400 missiles attacking and destroying air targets, and even Awacs locking and s400 launching... its beyond what DCS can even imagine let alone simulate.
Hey Longshot! Great video. Check with GS about that lofting problem with the Phoenix. He was having the same problem and someone (a Tomcat pilot?) clued him into a setting for the missile that flattens its trajectory (lofting is the missile's default and has to be shut off). You might check the missile settings and be able to figure out which one it is that must be changed/disabled.
Very mindful of the '80's movie "Red Flag" where the protagonist spends a significant portion of the movie trying to break down and test a panicked defensive maneuver for the good of all airmen.
Longshot I have a theory. I think you are playing the f14 wrong here. Hear me out… :p . I think you should instead focus on having them waste their missiles and take advantage of the fact that they are programmed to shoot at and then come to you. . This means you can just find a good mountain range and chill there (while trying to preserve some speed ofc) . Once they get into a range where “look down shoot down” could be an issue for you, you THEN fire phoenixes at them. Not to kill them but to force them to drop altitude. That way you can make sure their follow up missile shots are wasted trying to kill you. Finally all you need to do is coast into dogfight range and scoop up two easy kills.
As to load limits: The a/c likely can take it (with damage sustained?), but I see little chance for the pilot to take in excess of 9 G. "Even" 9 G is too much for most pilots.
I remember Growling Sidewinder getting this match up and getting frustrated and quitting, lol. I'm glad to see you figured it out. I'm only 4 minutes in but I applaud the conviction already.
That was a display of uncanny analysis and problem solving. Well done. Isn’t that maneuver called a plain ol’ barrel roll? And must it be reversed to defeat missiles? What would happen if you just perform a continuous barrel roll at high speed?
Dumb question: how does one get Tacview to roll fwd/back so smoothly on the replay? I can only do so in much coarser increments. Is there a setting I’m missing somewhere or is this a premium feature?
Good job figuring out that move. It was interesting to watch. I'm glad you made it a long video. I noticed GS tried to dodge Mig- 31 hypersonics recently. He rolled the credits before defeating any of them. The cork screw you use is similar to the one GS used a long time ago when you were back seat with him in a Tomcat dodging Sam missiles in the GS short clip collection. You guys are hilarious! Thanks for the years of entertainment and education!
It looks like big high speed stepped corkscrews are enough to defeat their missles. But the closer you get the less you have a step (pause) in the corkscrew rotation because a pause equals a predictable flightpath. You want a predictable flightpath away from the enemy aircraft when at a distance but a non-predictable flightpath when close to their missiles.
Would be nice to see if you can attack with F16 bcause it seems like real wolrd scenario in a few months.Can you dodge those r37s until you get in range of aim12os.
It´s a really shame what they did with phoenix. Those missiles in real life are capable to reach speed up to mach 4.5 or so. You was flying fast enough and your launches never reach anything close of this .
Imagine how exhausted that F-14 pilot would be after pulling all those maneuvers, and how much water weight he lost from sweating bullets the whole time lol
After watching fox2 fights, there were many times that the bandit would change trajectory and the missile would miss and not make the turn with the bandit. You are on to something here but 2v1 odds are hard to beat especially being flanked. The down and up and turn maneuver will work with timing consistent maneuvers. Plus shooting and keeping a radar track on your own missiles is quite a feat. Pressing and not going cold... You did very well Especially against hypersonic missiles ! This won't be the last time we'll be seeing this... I hope. Its fun, LongShot...
you got slow again on that last missile. trick is to not recklessly bum rush them all the way to teh merge. launch, dodge, launch dodge, etc. drain them of missiles before closing the distance. awesome video though.
people have failed to realize for years that a very fast missile cannot turn aggressively. And that you Can outmaneuver such a missile if you're setup for it. You have to do it at the right time, and in relation to the missile. Too fast, you wont be able to turn enough either. Too slow and your relative position change wont be enough to matter.
After watching the last tacveiw I was ready to see another try at it. I kniw we didn't see all the fights but I bet 1 more try and you would've had it.
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Hey guys. In this DCS World Simulator video I'm in the F14 Tomcat fighting 2 MiG31 Foxhounds. And I finally figured out how to defeat the R37 missile. Hope you guys enjoy!
Hahaha that is called a low yo-yo. 14.42 to beat r37 .you can do that also gaining altitude and it's called high yo-yo. try this with the Phoenix missile. don't slave the missile. fire Dum then turn on missile in-flight. it's part of tws radar the secondary scan. the missile will fly with a flat trajectory. another maneuver. s turning .sounds exactly what it is doing an s towards your opponent you could even make it a barrel roll. A little more difficult dodging then the high or low yo-yo what can combine both
cool insight to the process Longshot. thx!😁
One of the best videos from either GS or you. I was wondering what geometry could defeat missiles. Corkscrew maneuver is brilliant
I can picture Longshot at the pearly gates and St Peter going through the Tacview as to why he is there 😂
LOL
🤣🤣🤣
@@jerryatrick6127 Nah man jester ejected long before that
" St Peter going through the Tacview"
What an idea for a YT channel !
I think, he watches the Tac view because longshot is still maneuvering infront of the pearly gates. Peter needs to know WHEN EXACTLY he has to open the gates.
Love this video, would have loved to see one more attempt with the data you collected from the last fight. Hour long video would be awesome. One of the best videos from you I have seen. Thank You!
Thank you. I'll use this tactic often now, that was a lot of flying that day... had to call it off at some point😁
Love the tac views
I would like to see a part 2 too!
This video is awesome, love it. The TacView helps a lot to understand and improve the next fights.
Thank you
That's a cool way to use the very high speed of the R-37 against it. It makes sense though. Being very fast generally means having a huge turn circle. It doesn't matter how much energy the missile has if it can't turn tight enough to make the intercept.
That's actually a known weakness of the Phoenix as well: at extended range, it can't turn hard enough to chase fighters all that well because it is also hypersonic for a good part of its flight profile (the AIM-54C hits Mach 5 while the A and B variants hit about 4.6). Missiles like that are meant to hit slow-movers like bombers, AWACS, tankers, etc and not fighters. What Longshot is doing here is not unlike how Jack Dempsey, Mike Tyson, and Joe Frazier would get inside the reach of their opponents: highly evasive and erratic movement to make the other guy miss.
Great video by you long shot and Iranian F14 in one dogfight take the 11.5 G but 18 point of aircraft was crack out but survived. Thanks again 😊
Future generations of pilots:"how do you outmanoeuvre an r37?"
The instructor:"you carrie out what we call a longshot corkscrew".
LMAO🤣 thats funny. Nice play on words
😀
TIL "Do a barrel roll!" actually works.
Very interesting process - thanks. What eventually worked for you is the same maneuver that was adopted by Israeli pilots for missile evasion in Yom Kippur war - a barrel roll. This was used by the pilots after consultation with mathematicians and aerospace engineers to create the biggest challenge to the leading algorithms of these missiles and it reduced the loss ratio from the beginning of the war towards the end.
Engineers: Fly toward the launching aircraft (and missile) in a corkscrew pattern pattern. Pilots: YGBSM 😂
Your loft shots are great but the second shots that are inside 20nm you need the have the ACM switch up/open to disable the loft logic on the Phoenix.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video and the Tacview. Thank you.
That was a good one. Love the tac view debrief. Keep it up sir!
I am reminded that the tactic that you used resembled the corkscrew manoeuver used by RAF Bomber Command pilots in WW2 when a Luftwaffe night fighter was detected.
Another great video!
I remember growling sidewinder having a hell of time with r37s and a f15c.
nice edit, really dragged me into the action
Thanks
caught myself yelling, pull up!, at the screen@@LongShotChannel
That video made me squeeze my water bottle so hard that it exploded.
I was asking GS to do a video like F-14 vs Mig-31 like R-37M vs Phoenix.
This was interesting and spicy. The gutsiest move i ever seen. Great
So isn’t this manoeuvre just a Barrel Roll??
29:01, tomcat pulls 14Gs... Now someone needs to tell me DCS isn't a game
Welp, F-14 is 6.5G aircraft, so... You would've broken it at 10Gs IRL, huh
nope the plane was built to be a +9 -5 G aircraft the 6.5 G limit you are siting is a soft limit imposed by the navy to stretch the air-frame hours as far into the future as they possibly could
@@silverphinex well, flight manual from 2001 says 6.5Gs, page 4-9. Doesn't say "exceed when necessary", though
There's another manual, from september 1980 iirc. It says "current structual limit" And the highest number is 6G
There's also a "projected structual limit" where the highest number is 7
@@ГеоргийМурзич yes and those manuals were made after they found out they were not getting new airframes and they had to make the ones they had last far longer than the Original contract Specified. The original Delivery Grumman certified to the navy +9 -5 G for the number of Flight hours that were specified in the contract
@@silverphinex which manual states those numbers? There's 1992 F-14D chart, stating 6.5G limit. There's 1988 one, stating the same (1 year before tomcat production was cancelled). But I'm yet to see any pilots manual saying that those restrictions are purely for extending tomcats live
Anyway, if we believe for a moment that F-14 is capable of 9Gs and the restrictions are almost cosmetic... Do F-15s have the same 6.5G limit? Those are really old airfraimes nowadays. Same goes for F-16s
Those R-37Ms are scary, the Ukrainian Airforce Fulcrums, Flankers and Fencers have learned the hard way.
That was one of the most informative, and exciting videos I've seen. I especially appreciate the analysis. The F-110 powered F-14 was definitely the best pure naval fighter built. To defeat multiple R-37M shots is no small accomplishment Just imagine if there were 2 Tomcats! Spectacular fight. Keep 'em coming!
Possibly the best dcs video I have ever seen! Thank you for taking us along through your thought process. AWESOME!
Thanks so much
Agree 👍
I second that agreement! :-)
When you guys do these Tac Views, it really improves the usefulness of these videos. I realize that one goal is simply entertainment, but the goal of this video, is to illustrate improving your performance. I’d like to see more of this.
Yeah let's get back to using tact views a little more often like the old days when you were flying on GS channel! You learned quick and got a good sense of humor. Love your channel bro
It's funny, I was just thinking earlier today that it might be possible to dodge missiles differently if you could see them coming with something like the distributed aperture system and then you went and posted this. It looks like a good way to defend while higher or faster to recommit with more energy, awesome vid
I know that, in another comment on this vid, I teased you a bit about the use of TacView, but tbh I am VERY impressed with how effectively you made use of it to dramatically adjust and improve your tactics .
I was leaning and cringing and ducking all the way - an incredible ride!!! Kudos, LS! 👋👋👋
Thanks
Great job. I have been telling GS to do those kinds of missile defensive maneuvers in his videos. It's better than always diving away and trying to stay out of the MAR. You want to make the missiles pull lead and bleed their energy in more than one direction. And you maintain your altitude and ability to go back on offense quicker.
Kudos for showing the failures and work you put into it! So much more respect than just showing the last engagement.
You had this! I really liked the long format with going back and forth to tacview and applying what you learned from it
I would love another video where you get back in the tomcat and give it another go
That was pure anxiety
LOL😂
Hey long shot, That's exactly what that maneuver is called is a corkscrew. If you notice, they are not like 9x thrust vector. The design of that missile is as such. When it gets with in certain parameters, the motor shuts down to slow it down so it can predict the interception. Similar to Phoenix but we shut ours down a little further out. Changing your AOA of your nose authority. That's what they're tracking and trying to predict. Where are you going to be? Even though they don't give the Phoenix the distance that it really has, at least they have given it. It's proper auto shutdown within parameters to continue to have a high probability of the intercept. The Russian missiles they bring it into so close by the time it shut down. Just a little nose authority just like you're doing. Says it all. Loved it brother!👊😎 AWESOME ! Keep them coming 🫠
Cool. Thank you
Once ignited, solid propellant rocket motors can't be shut down and will keep burning (at rate determined by temperature/pressure) until there's no propellant left.
Solid propellant is literally like big chunk of slowly burning explosive.
You need liquid propellants, or hybrid motor (with usually oxidizer as liquid) to be able to shut down motor and either would be by itself significant extra complexity.
@@tuunaes I can't speak for Russia but the Phoenix missile is designed to get an altitude advance approximately 80k than it will shut off or run out either like you said fuel ie of any kind. Or proxy to the interception. Watching it in real life a couple times and watching it on DCS. The range seems to have little effect. The r27 from 20 mi closure or a 60 mi closure it shuts down late at almost impact so it does not have enough time to adjust for the maneuvers. As the Phoenix and what you say, may very well may be true and I will go along with that for the reasons of the climb and design of the Phoenix. So when it comes down even at terminal velocity, It has plenty of time for the intercept. All I did was describe what I seen between the 2 different types of long shots. BVRs. I thank you though very much. It does make sense but if that was the case the Russian rocket will still be burning at 20 mi and run out of fuel ie any kind. From a further shop. That's my point. Every time it gets to within a certain distance, it shuts down every time. This is where I came up with the theory of the Russian missile having a proxy fuse on it. It knows how close it is to the target. I really appreciate it. It does give me a little better aspect of Russian missiles. And it very well. May be the same for the Phoenix, but there's a reason why we want it to go high is so it has all the time in the world even at terminal velocity when they think that they have out maneuvered it even at 200 knots boom. 👊😎 Appreciate it 🕊️
Love it! So cool to seeing missile dodging! Loved the tact view too!
Great analysis and development of a counter maneuver. I think it is customary to name an aerial maneuver after the person that developed it; shall we call it the "LongShot"? As an example: "That missle was heading straight for me, but I pulled a LongShot and defeated it."
Imagine an F-14F or F-14G ... something as new as the MIG-31. An AESA of some sort, and AMRAAM to replace Sparrows.... maybe some F119 or F135 engines ... Maybe some "AIM-54E"... just an AIM-54 but with the seekers from AIM-120 C7 or D1
I think an updated F-14 could readily win 1v2 against something like MIG-31.
It won't happen now of course - but it was a huge mistake to retire the Tomcat when they did.
Now ... I'm gonna go watch GS's new Fleet Defender video ...
They made the R-37 way too good in this game. It’s not a 300 mile, Mach 5 amraam. It’s meant to go after large, unmeneuverable aicraft. The motherland bias is really showing in this case.
One of LS's best videos. Seeing the discovery process and fine tuning a new tactic is exceptional content.
Great video and Tacview analysis, LongShot! I've now seen GS use your newly developed tactic successfully as well. The synergy between you guys is priceless. Now I submit it's time. Time for...
Two Morons vs. Two Foxhounds! C'mon! I want to hear you guys laughing as you splash those Cold War rocket-bricks! 😁
Great video Longshot!. It's great that you included Tacview.
Awaiting the next one on this journey.
Love that TacView breakdown! Great to watch!
Thanks!
Hi GS, very informative video! The F-14 was originally rated at 7.5G but was reduced to 6.5g to extend the life of the planes. But since when do fighter pilots fly below the limits?
Not GS
I am so sorry mate. I subscribe to both channels.
Wow. From 20:00 to 25:00 was easily the most exciting and nail biting DCS vids I've seen so far. Love the Vid. Keep up the good work.
Thank you
Very interesting to see what the missiles do, thank you very much!
Ayo love the 3rd person and bandit camera/views Longshot. Really adds a lot to the video as you can see both your actions/reactions and the bandits movements.
You just shared how to defeat Russia's most advanced A2A missile on youtube- you may want to put out an "I'm not planning to commit suicide" statement, and avoid any high windows 😂.
Joking, obviously- great video.
No tea, no windows and avoid dudes with umbrellas.
Great vid. Trying to maintain effective guidance for your own weapons while keeping your speed up and maneuvering inside the MAR to defeat incoming weapons; what a dance!
A rare example of a worthwhile video against AI. Well done.
I love how you said “a few more times” in the beginning and you kept getting smoked lol. Way to keep at it, it was actually really entertaining and educational.
That jet still can't turn. Foxhounds and Foxbats are straight line monsters, but are stainless steel bricks in the end.
Foxbat: I go fast.
Anything else?
Foxbat: I go really fast.
They were designed to climb fast shoot and then out run the missiles shot at them, Foxhounds also could act as a mini AWACs to guide the shorter ranged tactical fighters like MiG-29s and MiG-23s
Fox bats were famous for being designed as long range interceptors, and they had a famous rivalry with the Blackbird.
@@johnnyberman4768 if you consider being defeated every time a rivalry.
The MIG-25 and MIG-31 were designed for the interceptor role, the last US plane to be purely designed for the interceptor role was the F-106. The US airforce has used F-4, F-15, F-16, F-22, and F-35 (I believe some interceptor squadrons are using F-35s) for the interceptor role since the F-106 left service.
The MIG-25 was a rush job for high speed and high altitude interception of the XB-70 which ended up never going into service, the MIG-31 was a much improved plane.
The MiG 31 was an incredibly fast beast, with powerful engines and a powerful radar, it was used for intercepting strategic bombers as well as intercepting stratospheric ballistic missiles. With its speed, it is more than capable of chasing the SR-71 or B-2 Spirit.
Love the learning moments. Very good stuff to know!
VF-142 Ghostriders, first F-14 I ever saw was from 142. Great Tactics views, appreciate the tactics breakdown.......
On paper this is a good match up 2 high speed interceptors going heads up. The advantage for the f14 in closer combat can be negated by the longer range radar of the mig 31 and higher climb rate.
today modern combat is totally different, Russia already pulled off mig31 painting with radar and s300,s400 missiles attacking and destroying air targets, and even Awacs locking and s400 launching... its beyond what DCS can even imagine let alone simulate.
Hey Longshot! Great video.
Check with GS about that lofting problem with the Phoenix. He was having the same problem and someone (a Tomcat pilot?) clued him into a setting for the missile that flattens its trajectory (lofting is the missile's default and has to be shut off). You might check the missile settings and be able to figure out which one it is that must be changed/disabled.
You could have just said... "Hey guys guess what... This is the Matrix and we're about to dodge some bullets..." 😂😂😂
Very mindful of the '80's movie "Red Flag" where the protagonist spends a significant portion of the movie trying to break down and test a panicked defensive maneuver for the good of all airmen.
Longshot I have a theory. I think you are playing the f14 wrong here. Hear me out… :p
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I think you should instead focus on having them waste their missiles and take advantage of the fact that they are programmed to shoot at and then come to you.
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This means you can just find a good mountain range and chill there (while trying to preserve some speed ofc)
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Once they get into a range where “look down shoot down” could be an issue for you, you THEN fire phoenixes at them. Not to kill them but to force them to drop altitude. That way you can make sure their follow up missile shots are wasted trying to kill you. Finally all you need to do is coast into dogfight range and scoop up two easy kills.
Great video! I really enjoyed the problem solving process. We'll get those dam Migs eventually. 😂👍
Longshot, this was a really good video.
Taking this journey of analysis and discovery was fun. Hearing the excitement in your voice was a treat.
As to load limits: The a/c likely can take it (with damage sustained?), but I see little chance for the pilot to take in excess of 9 G. "Even" 9 G is too much for most pilots.
I remember Growling Sidewinder getting this match up and getting frustrated and quitting, lol. I'm glad to see you figured it out. I'm only 4 minutes in but I applaud the conviction already.
That was a display of uncanny analysis and problem solving. Well done. Isn’t that maneuver called a plain ol’ barrel roll? And must it be reversed to defeat missiles? What would happen if you just perform a continuous barrel roll at high speed?
Dumb question: how does one get Tacview to roll fwd/back so smoothly on the replay? I can only do so in much coarser increments. Is there a setting I’m missing somewhere or is this a premium feature?
Longshot, the Artful Dodger. Helluva an effort, man, and GREAT video!
Ngl, was laughing my head off during the "Getting Owned By R-37s" montage!😆😆😆
(But, well done figuring them out... eventually! 😉)
Awesome video. I can't wait for the next one where you defeat both MIG-31s and fly home unscathed in yoir F-14.
Good job figuring out that move. It was interesting to watch. I'm glad you made it a long video. I noticed GS tried to dodge Mig- 31 hypersonics recently. He rolled the credits before defeating any of them. The cork screw you use is similar to the one GS used a long time ago when you were back seat with him in a Tomcat dodging Sam missiles in the GS short clip collection. You guys are hilarious! Thanks for the years of entertainment and education!
It looks like big high speed stepped corkscrews are enough to defeat their missles. But the closer you get the less you have a step (pause) in the corkscrew rotation because a pause equals a predictable flightpath. You want a predictable flightpath away from the enemy aircraft when at a distance but a non-predictable flightpath when close to their missiles.
Would be nice to see if you can attack with F16 bcause it seems like real wolrd scenario in a few months.Can you dodge those r37s until you get in range of aim12os.
Curious as to why the R-37s aren’t lofting there. Iirc the mig-31 mod does have the 37M’s that loft
It´s a really shame what they did with phoenix. Those missiles in real life are capable to reach speed up to mach 4.5 or so. You was flying fast enough and your launches never reach anything close of this .
Happy Thanksgiving LS, thank you for the entertainment. Peace.😊
This is the FIRST Tac View that I have actually enjoyed watching.. on any channel. Great vid
Amazing video, I will have to try this myselfe! Thanks for sharing Longshot!
Imagine how exhausted that F-14 pilot would be after pulling all those maneuvers, and how much water weight he lost from sweating bullets the whole time lol
After watching fox2 fights, there were many times that the bandit would change trajectory and the missile would miss and not make the turn with the bandit. You are on to something here but 2v1 odds are hard to beat especially being flanked. The down and up and turn maneuver will work with timing consistent maneuvers. Plus shooting and keeping a radar track on your own missiles is quite a feat. Pressing and not going cold... You did very well Especially against hypersonic missiles ! This won't be the last time we'll be seeing this... I hope. Its fun, LongShot...
you got slow again on that last missile. trick is to not recklessly bum rush them all the way to teh merge. launch, dodge, launch dodge, etc. drain them of missiles before closing the distance.
awesome video though.
people have failed to realize for years that a very fast missile cannot turn aggressively. And that you Can outmaneuver such a missile if you're setup for it. You have to do it at the right time, and in relation to the missile. Too fast, you wont be able to turn enough either. Too slow and your relative position change wont be enough to matter.
mother grumman tells the f 14 it’s 13g plane. In aceval-aimval a tomcat pilot pulled 12g!
Good video. Try putting your wings in Bomb mode so you can maintain speed with the sweep back.
Thanks for putting all the hard work in on this one. That probably took a long time to put together and I learned a lot.
DCS makes Mig31s far more dangerous than they are IRL.
After watching the last tacveiw I was ready to see another try at it. I kniw we didn't see all the fights but I bet 1 more try and you would've had it.
If you manage to do that in an F-35, i'll fucking Sub. for real.
The few times you got hit you were basically off vector from their missile but mistakenly turned into it.
: "You must think in Russian."
most successful defenses I see are not heading into the missile shot but 90 degrees or within 45 degrees of it and usually away from it
While GS is like "once you're inside the MAR the only way to defeat the missile is to decoy it 🤓"
19:40 it didn't really help that you effectively turned directly into the oncoming missile.
Go mig-31❤
meanwhile in war thunder: every single one of your phoenixes goes dumb.
You should do a duel against GS. I'm excited to see the best F14 pilot
You need to be up high when you shoot the first two. Then get to the deck. They have a hard time locking you on the deck.
So, what i'm hearing is:
Do a (Mach 1) Barrel Roll!
The issue is that your taking on 2 of those big dogs maybe it would be easier against 1
Early early!!!!!
Can you try F-15 vs Mig-31s next please?
Longshot…. That was awesome analogy…. Thank you… 🙏🏽