Sounds cool, but a new V8 with more critical failure points does not inspire confidence with the sketchy record of reliability that Stellantis has developed.
Nothing that is forced inspires confidence, its part of the reason I hate EVs. As for reliability, the Chargers, Challengers, and Durangos aren't the ones pulling down the stats for Dodge. Its the Hornet, Caliber, Dart, and similar category ecoboxes.
What Dodge should have done is LEFT THE HEMI ALONE. They should have brought back the Neon, Omni, Lazer, Avenger even the Conquest. Make affordable reliable cars again.
Bro, you are 100% right. By having lower models, it would increase their mpg's overall the Dodge brand. You can have a Viper and all the other Hemi's cars if you have a good selection of AFFORDABLE CARS!!
Why would a company use old architecture that they have been using for nearly 15 years. Have you been inside of a car with a v8 that the architecture is new? If you have you wouldn’t be saying this. There is no way that dodge is going to keep a v8 without duel overhead cam and cam degree profiling. The 5.7 6.4 and 6.2 are dinosaurs when it comes to engineering.
If you understand the history of Chrysler, this is their pattern make muscle cars, get crushed by government regulations, make crap, and then make a comeback.
@@anthonyrowland9072gas mileage and the obsession with carbon. It's destroying all gas cars. Even toyota is struggling to make reliable cars that meet the standards. The diesel community is a good look into the future. The government destroyed that market in 2004. Diesel engines have never been the same and it's really hard to keep the trucks going.
Stellantis WIN... would be hiring Tim Kuniskis back first. Tim would know how to bring Dodge back because he knows what the American people want. It's simple.
392 Hemi. The most streetable Hot Rod engine ever produced. Real fast at high RPM and still all that fantastic torque down low. I never feel the need for a faster car. I’ve done that, big numbers way too fast to play with. Sometimes I don’t like change for a good reason. Like self check out.
MDS sucks and is a common failure for hemis of this era. So is the lifter design, hemi or not. Unacceptable. Keep it simple. The elephant paved the way. Get back to that.
@@davidshumate Well I’m on my third one so this is not a new issue for me. After tons of research and lots of opinions from various people I’ve concluded it’s not a mds problem. Not actually anyway. Manual cars can suffer from this same issue and do not have mds. It’s a lifter oiling problem that really shouldn’t come into play with proper maintenance and avoiding long idle times. This would explain why some engines fail and some don’t. The failure rate is not as high as people think.
@tomwinner5350 very likely, but I'm opposed to any mods like MDS that are not needed that can cause problems and possibly disguise other issues not unlike this. I think the low rpm oil issues is a problem, too, as you suggest. I'd rather have a 69 340 motor with fuel injection and some material upgrades, but other than that, straight up the same. We've had dozens of great motor designs for decades, and they just scrap them and roll the dice on something completely new. Makes me scratch my head.
The 5.7 HEMI is iconic, but I get it, gotta roll with the times. That said, any new Stellantis DOHC V8 in the first year of production, I'd avoid like the plague.
@@M305-e1g375hp, extremely reliable, easy to work on and easy to make power engine. An engine that was the corporate v8 put in every single model to make way for the scat packs and hellcats? Yea its pretty fucking iconic
@@M305-e1g My 2014 5 speed with a Intake, exhaust, 3.55 gears, runs 12.6 in the 1/4. Keeps up with coyotes and walks scats, so…. its a builders car, not a stock race car
@M305-e1g the 5.7s typically make 330-340 to the wheels. Idk i about losing to an ecoboost Mustang, I got my R/T to enjoy a nice spacious car with a V8.
By Ford keeping it simple with limited options pertaining to power plants it has kept the cost much lower than anyone else. I'm a retired UAW Chrysler employee 5th generation and even though I'll never switch and I'll never get rid of my SRT Challenger six speed 392 I applaud Ford for using common sense for the benefit not only for the company but for the customers.
Facts! Motards wouldn’t comprehend this they simply can’t understand they thought their Dodge brand is so cool spitting all the high powered V8 models without smaller or fuel efficient offering. That’s also happens to be the big problem of Dodge? Their consumers are ego maniacal and wants dodge to be this “ahh we dont care, in your face, “performance”” R/T, R/T BackPacks, SRT Hellfat, Hellfat blackeye, thirdeye, pinkeye, bullseye, BackPack fender extender, Hellfat fender extender, demon, superstop, swingerwingers, bakedown, blackhoax and lemon149
@@CJColvin he's probably referring to the for Modular engine platform. That basic engine platform has variants that go all the way back to 1990. Obviously, a proven engine family by now. Reliable, adaptable, capable.
I agree 100% percent. I bought my first Ram 2500 Diesel in 2001 and Ram 1500 hemi in 2003 all the way up to today. But watching the videos with the new trucks first time ever where I thought about buying something else besides a Ram truck.💯👍
Pushrod v8s are ancient tech. Lol. They are tried and true, but they put off TONS of emission. That’s why they are looking for something more efficient, to help with those credits. I think they just needed to buy some time to get more credits.
Change head performance . Lifters can a valve failure points . I have a 426 stroker from a 6.1 block . Went over all the failure points of the hemi and beefed everything up
I grew up on the Mopar or Nocar life. Owned 70,71, 73, 2010 Challengers. 5 Dodge trucks and have the first GenIII Hemi trans plant in a muscle car. A 1969 Barracuda done in July 2005. All that said I will not buy another new Mopar vehicle until things get fixed.
I would like to see a 318 V8 Wedge as that small V8 you mentioned. 318 is legend from the Ploy, LA and Magnum. For trucks a 440 V8. Also a 3.6 inline 4 cylinder half of the 440. Pontiac cut one bank off the 389 to make the 1962 Trophy 4 cylinder. Pontiac 301 V8 might also have been used for the Iron Duke. 301 and Iron Duke Hope the some of these names came back Duster, Fury, Polara, Savoy, Belvidere,, Charger 500.
Upgrading the Hemi would be the fastest and cheapest way to put them back in the showrooms while making them more fuel efficient and powerful, but even when upgraded, they would continue to be outgunned by the Hurricane (except the Hellcat).
I don't compare Naturally aspirated engines to turbo charged engines. Would you say somebody with nitrous racing someone without is "out gunning the other guys engine"? No you would not. Turbos, super chargers and nitrous are stimulants not brute power. The hurricane wouldn't be shit without that turbo, and lastly if you turbo a hemi you'd annihilate that hurricane...shit, nobody compares the hurricane to the Hellcat engines 😂
I don't think the average customer wants a high tech hard to work on engine that's gonna fail because twin turbos are high maintenance. And if they're integrated into the heads that sucks even more because doing a turbo job means a head job. Which probably means a whole engine knowing stellantis.
The whole problem is there’s nothing better than smashing the skinny pedal of your V8 and just letting your ears smile. Nothing sounds better than a V-8. I get it regulations and efficiency but goddamnit I’m a man I want that V8 America 💪🏼🇺🇸🛠️
It being supercharged or turbocharged makes no difference. They are both forced induction, and will both stress your engine. Both will blow your engine if the internals aren't up to spec.
Trees and all the other plants love carbon. Pretty much all life on this planet is carbon-based. The Chinese need to clean up their act, though. They put up huge led screens that show the people the sunrise and sunset. Idiots. The powers that be aren't going to be happy until we all live in mud huts using cow dung for cooking and heat. Then they will ban cows.
VW Group has a 4.0l TT V8, it can make an insane amount of power. On the low end it makes 414 bhp at 5,500 rpm; 406 lbf⋅ft from 1,400 rpm to 5,400 rpm and the higher end 771 bhp at 6,000 rpm; 738 lbf⋅ft. The various engines use different tech to make the power, but it would be doable for doing the same thing.
4.8 , they not will make a second type of conect rod more longer for less cylinder friction , all read is a cheap way of put a new V8 on market , the turbo probably is all read a problem , the biggest they have is for 1.5L each on the 3.0L twin turbo , the V8 is 0.9L more for each turbo to receive , they will over speed and strangle like in 5K rpm maybe less
😂😂 You and that plastic pentastar. It's a mass production rental car motor that has NO OVERHEAD. It's planned obsolescence at best. If Dodge was ever dumb enough to replace the hemi with a new V8, it won't be no weak pentastar. There's no point now with Trump rolling back EPA regulations the Hemi will return. Stellantis can't design a cereal box nevertheless R&D a replacement for a proven V8 that's been around since the 50s.
On paper the hurricane engine should’ve been great. But Leave it to Chrysler to f up a simple inline 6 design. Cast aluminum block, plastic parts, small displacement, and twin turbochargers is just a recipe for disaster. Imo CDJR would’ve been good with a 4.0 liter inline six with cast iron block and a single bigger turbo
The Duke says, keep it simple. Your not building race cars for the track that only lasts 15 minutes. It's not all about power. It's about durability, reliability, drivability, and cost. Personally I have a 7.3 Godzilla and love it. But I was also one of the first people to buy a Dodge Cummins back in 1990. That was an awesome truck. What did I teach you?
That blueprint is a very old model plan. Like two decades old. I have seen a similar version. In a slant six displacement accompanied with a properly sized turbocharger. So don't be surprised to see something such as that to soon arrive next year.
as long as they don’t make a base model v6 sxt charger to flood the streets, we shouldn’t count on any v8 to go into production, let alone to be affordable 😂
Bro all they need too do is take the same architect of the hemi and make it a full aluminum block/heads add direct injection and you’ve got a better version of the same thing they’ve already got and less likely to some crazy ass recalls with a brand new engine
The EV Daytona should of been a low volume option until they worked the bugs out, then in the meantime keep or update the 5.7 while they work on the new V8.
If the new engine, which the pic you showed hints at, is a double overhead cam with a pentroof or in other words a modified hemi combustion chamber, they could market it as a DOHC Hemi and regain some fan support. Maybe.
550 hp @ 6800 rpm ain't bad with about 10 inches boost is not bad we have ran the engine to 9000 rpm there is 2 hp rating for street engines. 480 hp for trucks regular gas, 550 for street performance prem fuel. Racing will not be disclosed except on set only.
Dodge just needs to make a V12 engine like the Aston Martin with a turbo engine 🚒🔥🔥 that's what customer wanna see 🙈 period 😔 Fi real 🦜🐦🕊️😁🪖🪖🛣️⭐✨ still new technology is a must for the upgrades great content brother 😁🪖🪖🛣️😀
You wish. Viper is dead. It's not coming back. The people have spoken with their wallets. That's why it's gone. The fact that they still sell a model or 2 now shows how little people wanted them. People would rather have a corvette, mustang, camaro, or something else. People don't want the viper. People love to love the viper, but they don't love buying it.
Let me just help everyone out here: 1. Any engineering that’s currently taking place isn’t being done by people who are intelligent or even have experience with the American market. And they would be finishing projects started by engineers that are no longer at the company. That’s a great recipe for disaster. 2. These are most likely going to be built in Mexico if they even see the light of day, of which there’s a real possibility that they don’t. I don’t think anything else needs to be said.
So long as this group of Europeans is manning this ship, it's a vote of no-confidence for me, Butter. I love this brand, too, but why should we feel any confidence buying anything these guys are pushing? They can go kick rocks.
Mercedes-Benz currently offers a 4.0 V8 with a hybrid system, 800+ horsepower, 1000+ ft lbs of torque, in the S63. 0 to 60 mph in the 3 second range, near 200 mph top speed, IN A 6000 POUND CAR!!
Hybrids are toast. If the connections for the electronics corroded, they will fail and very expensive to fix. Could result in your house burning down. Not acceptable. Keep it simple.
Sounds like it would be a good motor for lighter bodies but Ram 1500 needs displacement to perform like it should. You cant expect a smaller engine to outlast a bigger engine just by forced induction. It takes time for turbos to spool up. Especially in heavier load applications. Idk. Tbh i thought that all the 5.7 Rams should have had a 6.4 .
Are you telling me that the fortune im spending building an OHC twin turbo 1000hp Mopar V8 that I always said was a better way, and they are now doing it? I knew I was right about what they needed.
I work in powertrain, I agree with what TK is saying that the 5.7 will most likely be back because it’s a proven powertrain. With what they are going through with the inline 6 I don’t think it’s the right time to introduce another new engine. Maybe down the road. Plus the 5.7 can be in cars next year, a new engine with proper testing probably wouldn’t be ready for production until 2026 at the earliest.
I don't believe there is a new v8 coming. Stellantis big push is the hurricane, and I don't believe stellantis would have pushed the i6 or eliminated the v8 if a new v8 was in the pipeline.
Just a little "failed" past history. The 5 7l displacement was suppised to be only for the trucjs after the 1st gen abd the size for the cars; initally to debut in the first Challengers was supposed to be increased to 5.9l or 360 cubes. Now the 392 was always in the cards as the next displacement then the 426 as the largest. Here's the issue: that smaller Magnum was supposed to be a 318 or 5.2l. And anothe smaller V8 of 4.4l or 273 cu in. See where they were going but the merger killed the smaller V8 because it killed development of the mid engine coupes and midsized wagons. Also at the same time Cadillac was working on their own 4.4l DOHC V8; the Blackwing; so that would cause confusion. Now...the smaller V8 they probably kept working on in secret is the 5.2l. It's very easy to assume that it's going to gome in 2 or even 3 versions. I hate to admit it but a captive turbo head is now common practice; mainly to prevent aftermarket mods before the company can develop a full line first. A n/a 5.2 would be the base V8 for trucks but here's where I see the fun. If they continue with the hot V turbo; there could be a single twin scroll 5 2l and a twin turbo utilizing captive turbos built into the heads. There are benifits. The hot V design produces more power from smaller turbos because of less heat liss and how close the turbos are to the exhaust and intake ports. Heat is also easier to manage. It's an overall smaller package making more power. I'm sure it will all but replace the turbo six except in some offroad application's. Also the smaller 5 2l TT will get as good mpg as the I-6. If they were smart in the development of the 5.2 & 4.4 Magnums, they'd have used a nearly identicle 360 smallblock from the last pushrod era. That way they could flood the marjet with true Factory Direct Connection top end dohc Hemi heads in all 3 flavors from n/a to single twin scroll turbo to VG TT parts and beat the aftermarket to the punch. Not only that but imagine all the cars now being saved from the crusher because they can basically keep the original short block and jyst plunk on a bew upper half; with the normal mods we'd do anyway when upgrading. I really think the choke hold the LS motors have on the hot rod world would come to an end. Also, bye bye Bulletm
There are plenty of engines in their history to update they could use. That would save costs and breath new life into older swaps. Focus on weak points and build great long lasting engines. the 5.2 5.9 4.7 the 383 was a great engine.
Former Engine Engineer here: Twin turbo V8 engines are EXPENSIVE. And they don't package very well. And they are.... EXPENSIVE. And they require a small country's GDP to develop. I'd say its a long shot at this point. They would need significant volume to bring the costs down. That's how the HEMI became successful - lots of volume. The market is way too fragmented today. The gearhead market who would appreciate this solution is too small.
Ding ding we have a winner. All of these people posting crap about Dodge and any V8 at this point, it’s just wishful thinking. Nobody within the company with any sort of actual decision making ability is actually sold on a v8 of anything for the American brands. Nobody at the board level. Nobody at the executive level that has any sort of clout.
Hemi V8's haven't changed much since 2011...but The Coyote is on the 4th generation. Ford may have fewer engine options, but with so many revisions that's a lot of money spent on manufacturing logistics for all the changes.
The only problem with the Gen 4 Coyote (especially in the F150s) is the cylinder deactivation (which is why I bought the 2024 Nissan Titan with the 5.6L Endurance V8 in it with 400 HP and 413 Ibs of Torque over the 2024 Ford F150 with the 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 400 HP and 410 Ibs of Torque).
And yet they can still manage to keep their v8s unlike sellout/bailout brand like dodge. All the 5.0 stuff is interchangeable so they didn't reinvent the whole thing.
Good luck. After so many Dodge engineers lost their jobs last summer, i'm not getting my hopes up about an 'all new V8' unless its another hand-me down.
Long story short Chrysler coming is back you give a 2025 they will have that engine in a car and that's going to be in the Dodge I just don't want to be lonely with it so just take it how I'm saying it
@@CJColvin yeah but hopefully if it has at least 4.4in bore spacing it should be able to be bored sleeved to 4.125. Big bore with high flow heads that could hopefully rev to 8000-9000rpm with a proper bottom end would be an insane N/A platform and an even more insane boosted platform. Im excited as heck. I was looking into hammer head hemi LS's but the valvetrain geometry is bad
An engine is only as good as the car it’s put it. If quality is junk then everything else ends up being junk. That is the true reality behind all manufacturers.
Love to see all companies make a great V8 without that BS cylinder deactivation that hurts long term reliability. I had a 2013 Ram with the 5.7 Hemi and loved it, especially after muffler delete. Awesome truck.
I don't know. I think Dodge hung on to the old push-rod design for too long. To introduce a modern engine like the Ford Coyote is wishful thinking. There is one wild-card though. If Trump stops the EV push and loosens the fuel efficiency guidelines, then it might make sense for Dodge to release a modern V8. Let's wait and see.
This thing lowkey sounds like it will be a Frankenstein. Didn’t come with the V8 originally but now they have to slap it in there and make sure that all of the old prompts and functions that were set for an electric “engine”, work for a V8. Feels like this will be a nightmare of a rollout because there will be so many things to consider. Can the body of this new frame handle the V8, etc. If it’s right, I’m definitely considering the 4 door version but they have to figure out a way to keep the wing in the front though. Not just for the “electric” version. The eh couldn’t for the hurricane V6 because of the engine.
I have a question. Have you ever heard of the hellion twin turbo kit for the hellcats? Imagine this hurricane engine with stock twins can have a Whipple supercharger kit to fit in this engine. That would be interesting, wouldn't it?
@Joshcheyka I think you misunderstood me. I would rip the engine out of the crappy looking body, put it in something that looks better, put the supercharger on, and have BOTH the hemi and hurricane engine. I'm not saying get rid of the hemi, HEMI IS FOR LIFE.!!
The 5.7 hemi can go. They runined it after 2016 or so raising the cam up and not redesigning the splash lubrication and the cam would get no oil at idle.
they need update panels like they did when they made wide bodys then that car look good and hellcat engines or higher only and i buy 3 if they have 2 door / 4 door and 300 hellcat thats 300,000 some customer's would spend trilogy of hellcats
At this point I just don't know if Stellantis will get out there own way and realize that a "business/company" is in the business to make money and the best way to make money in the US marked is to listen to what the customers want. Since day one, the US consumers have not been 100% behind the EV way of things, please don't get me wrong Just like TK, I believe there is a marked for EV just the whole marked. I strongly believe the US marked wants V8 engines and potentially not just the US marked. Regarding the potential new V8 engine, to be honest I don't know how I feel about another V8 engine that isn't a Hemi. The HEMI is in my option what helped get the customers to buy a DODGE, JEEP, RAM and even CHRYSLER product. Now about the Hurricane, this may ruffle a few feather what I'm about to write. I personally was not a fan of the Hurricane BUT, given how expensive Gas prices are and the fact that for me an EV would be my first choice for a new vehicle. I was intrigued at first but seeing and hearing the issues the Hurricane engines continue to have, the power plan needs to be taken back to the drawing board and better quality parts need to be used when manufacturing this engine that is charged with transporting people/families to there destinations, not the mention the increased prices for said engine in these Stellantis vehicles. I may have gotten off topic, I personally would rather have 6.4, 5.7, (6.2 if Dodge/ Stellantis decides to another last call or special edition Charger again) and a reliable tried and true V6 engine, namely the 3.6 Pentastar engine, it's reliable and works. If Stellantis wants the people to purchase vehicle, it's simple (give what the People want). A reliable ENGINE V8 and V6 power plant and even more import an affordable prices tag that people will be ok with. Take us back to the days before Covid when Price Hikes and prices gouging only happened....as 🤣 Thank you Butter for all you do, I love the pod cast keep it up.
It needs to be in the 5 liters and rev out to 7 to 8 thousand. There aint no replacement for displacement is very true until rpms get factored in. Thats how coyotes are so strong. But it should have some size still. 4.0l is to small for heavy vehicles.
2 valves, boost along with dual direct / indirect injection is KISS and less complexity of Coyote V8 can be moved to better heat proof and friction coatings, more inconel usage and Torroidal CVT banned from F1.
Heads with integrated manifolds/turbo are junk for making power, we already have a hard enough getting aftermarket support being mopar people, now this would make it just that much more of a pain to get aftermarket support
A straight in-line six with twin turbos I think would be a good idea. The street six is a very simple motor. Not a huge fan of V6 is. The reason I say this is because I have a Dodge power waggon with 40 inch tires so my gas mileage obviously is not very good !😂 i’m the second owner of this truck even when it’s stock with 33 inch tires. It got 10 miles per gallon now I get 8.5. I’m getting the same gas mileage as RVs that are gas.
The simple fact of the matter is, it's not superior. Sure they slapped twin turbos on an inline 6 and got better performance than a stock hemi, slap twin turbos on your hemi and have some real fun, I've even seen it done on the supercharged hemis, people making 2000whp
Sounds good, but have to see it, and it depends on how expensive it is and how it performs. Dodge and Ram products are currently way over priced and have quality issues.
Sounds cool, but a new V8 with more critical failure points does not inspire confidence with the sketchy record of reliability that Stellantis has developed.
Exactly!!!
Give me a 100k mile warranty I’m fine with it lol
Nothing that is forced inspires confidence, its part of the reason I hate EVs. As for reliability, the Chargers, Challengers, and Durangos aren't the ones pulling down the stats for Dodge. Its the Hornet, Caliber, Dart, and similar category ecoboxes.
Yea stellantis hasn't really built any new vehicles they just find cheaper ways to manufacture the cars they bought from other manufacturers.
Very sketchy
What Dodge should have done is LEFT THE HEMI ALONE. They should have brought back the Neon, Omni, Lazer, Avenger even the Conquest. Make affordable reliable cars again.
Bro, you are 100% right. By having lower models, it would increase their mpg's overall the Dodge brand. You can have a Viper and all the other Hemi's cars if you have a good selection of AFFORDABLE CARS!!
Why would a company use old architecture that they have been using for nearly 15 years. Have you been inside of a car with a v8 that the architecture is new? If you have you wouldn’t be saying this. There is no way that dodge is going to keep a v8 without duel overhead cam and cam degree profiling. The 5.7 6.4 and 6.2 are dinosaurs when it comes to engineering.
No hemi no sale. Don't care about another pos motor with turbos
New Yorker, Cordova, 200, prowler with a V8.
lol
If you understand the history of Chrysler, this is their pattern make muscle cars, get crushed by government regulations, make crap, and then make a comeback.
What regulations crushed them?
Biden
@@austinwayda94 What did Biden do?
Did he pass the "No fun for republicans" law or was the late 90s tech iron block hemi always gonna get replaced.
You're kidding right?@@anthonyrowland9072
@@anthonyrowland9072gas mileage and the obsession with carbon. It's destroying all gas cars. Even toyota is struggling to make reliable cars that meet the standards. The diesel community is a good look into the future. The government destroyed that market in 2004. Diesel engines have never been the same and it's really hard to keep the trucks going.
Stellantis WIN... would be hiring Tim Kuniskis back first. Tim would know how to bring Dodge back because he knows what the American people want. It's simple.
392 Hemi. The most streetable Hot Rod engine ever produced. Real fast at high RPM and still all that fantastic torque down low. I never feel the need for a faster car. I’ve done that, big numbers way too fast to play with. Sometimes I don’t like change for a good reason. Like self check out.
MDS sucks and is a common failure for hemis of this era. So is the lifter design, hemi or not. Unacceptable. Keep it simple. The elephant paved the way. Get back to that.
Same here
@@davidshumateSimple solution is get rid of the MSD and you'll have no problems.
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Well I’m on my third one so this is not a new issue for me. After tons of research and lots of opinions from various people I’ve concluded it’s not a mds problem. Not actually anyway. Manual cars can suffer from this same issue and do not have mds. It’s a lifter oiling problem that really shouldn’t come into play with proper maintenance and avoiding long idle times. This would explain why some engines fail and some don’t. The failure rate is not as high as people think.
@tomwinner5350 very likely, but I'm opposed to any mods like MDS that are not needed that can cause problems and possibly disguise other issues not unlike this. I think the low rpm oil issues is a problem, too, as you suggest. I'd rather have a 69 340 motor with fuel injection and some material upgrades, but other than that, straight up the same. We've had dozens of great motor designs for decades, and they just scrap them and roll the dice on something completely new. Makes me scratch my head.
The 5.7 HEMI is iconic, but I get it, gotta roll with the times. That said, any new Stellantis DOHC V8 in the first year of production, I'd avoid like the plague.
The 5.7 isn’t iconic making 300 horsepower😂
@@M305-e1g375hp, extremely reliable, easy to work on and easy to make power engine. An engine that was the corporate v8 put in every single model to make way for the scat packs and hellcats? Yea its pretty fucking iconic
@ enjoy your 290whp and losing to Ecoboost mustangs
@@M305-e1g My 2014 5 speed with a Intake, exhaust, 3.55 gears, runs 12.6 in the 1/4. Keeps up with coyotes and walks scats, so…. its a builders car, not a stock race car
@M305-e1g the 5.7s typically make 330-340 to the wheels. Idk i about losing to an ecoboost Mustang, I got my R/T to enjoy a nice spacious car with a V8.
By Ford keeping it simple with limited options pertaining to power plants it has kept the cost much lower than anyone else. I'm a retired UAW Chrysler employee 5th generation and even though I'll never switch and I'll never get rid of my SRT Challenger six speed 392 I applaud Ford for using common sense for the benefit not only for the company but for the customers.
Facts! Motards wouldn’t comprehend this they simply can’t understand they thought their Dodge brand is so cool spitting all the high powered V8 models without smaller or fuel efficient offering. That’s also happens to be the big problem of Dodge? Their consumers are ego maniacal and wants dodge to be this “ahh we dont care, in your face, “performance””
R/T, R/T BackPacks, SRT Hellfat, Hellfat blackeye, thirdeye, pinkeye, bullseye, BackPack fender extender, Hellfat fender extender, demon, superstop, swingerwingers, bakedown, blackhoax and lemon149
Ford's engineering is very silo'd vs Chrysler.. otherwise you're correct. Upper management is much more capable than stellantis
Furd would make more sales of they brought over the falcon four door six speed manual
What limited options pertaining to power plants are you taking about?
@@CJColvin he's probably referring to the for Modular engine platform. That basic engine platform has variants that go all the way back to 1990. Obviously, a proven engine family by now. Reliable, adaptable, capable.
I think if they went ahead with the V8 it be the only thing that keeps that alive at this point
I agree 100% percent. I bought my first Ram 2500 Diesel in 2001 and Ram 1500 hemi in 2003 all the way up to today. But watching the videos with the new trucks first time ever where I thought about buying something else besides a Ram truck.💯👍
What scares me is stalantus cant build a good engine.
If they changed anything on the Hemi V8 they should have just made minor improvements to what was already battle tested!
Pushrod v8s are ancient tech. Lol. They are tried and true, but they put off TONS of emission. That’s why they are looking for something more efficient, to help with those credits. I think they just needed to buy some time to get more credits.
Change head performance . Lifters can a valve failure points . I have a 426 stroker from a 6.1 block . Went over all the failure points of the hemi and beefed everything up
I grew up on the Mopar or Nocar life. Owned 70,71, 73, 2010 Challengers. 5 Dodge trucks and have the first GenIII Hemi trans plant in a muscle car. A 1969 Barracuda done in July 2005. All that said I will not buy another new Mopar vehicle until things get fixed.
If it ain't broke don't fix it those hemis are good motors
Hemi ticks and engine misfire codes wont be missed.
I would like to see a 318 V8 Wedge as that small V8 you mentioned. 318 is legend from the Ploy, LA and Magnum. For trucks a 440 V8. Also a 3.6 inline 4 cylinder half of the 440. Pontiac cut one bank off the 389 to make the 1962 Trophy 4 cylinder. Pontiac 301 V8 might also have been used for the Iron Duke. 301 and Iron Duke
Hope the some of these names came back Duster, Fury, Polara, Savoy, Belvidere,, Charger 500.
This is like the 10th vid I’ve seen on this. I’ll believe it when I see it.
Correct response. Ain’t no v8 happening anytime soon. Signed, someone who knows.
@@eldiablort1461bullshit
Upgrading the Hemi would be the fastest and cheapest way to put them back in the showrooms while making them more fuel efficient and powerful, but even when upgraded, they would continue to be outgunned by the Hurricane (except the Hellcat).
I don't compare Naturally aspirated engines to turbo charged engines. Would you say somebody with nitrous racing someone without is "out gunning the other guys engine"? No you would not. Turbos, super chargers and nitrous are stimulants not brute power.
The hurricane wouldn't be shit without that turbo, and lastly if you turbo a hemi you'd annihilate that hurricane...shit, nobody compares the hurricane to the Hellcat engines 😂
I don't think the average customer wants a high tech hard to work on engine that's gonna fail because twin turbos are high maintenance. And if they're integrated into the heads that sucks even more because doing a turbo job means a head job. Which probably means a whole engine knowing stellantis.
The whole problem is there’s nothing better than smashing the skinny pedal of your V8 and just letting your ears smile. Nothing sounds better than a V-8.
I get it regulations and efficiency but goddamnit I’m a man I want that V8
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I honestly don't like the concept of their next V8 being Twin Turbo. I'd much rather it be N/A or Supercharged.
I'd be cool with a twin turbo as an OPTION, but offering a NA DOHC as the standard V8.
I would at least like to have the option of having a naturally aspirated version of whatever this DOCH v8 engine could be.
It being supercharged or turbocharged makes no difference. They are both forced induction, and will both stress your engine. Both will blow your engine if the internals aren't up to spec.
@@Eastsidegeorgiaboythank you for this. People act like its still the 80s when they bring up turbos
@@grego7345twin turbo in 2025😂😂😂you can see or maintain anything in the engine bay without taking apart alot of shyt😂😂😂
Dodge should hire Tim K back.
Just test, test and test again to make it long term reliable. Reliability, no gadgets sell vehicles.
My first car was a 440 Magnum Dodge. A Cop car. They were so fast. They handled great too.
We have more oil than most every countries. Oil replenished itself. There’s nothing wrong with having electric but don’t shovel it down our throats.
@@Harpazoed huhhhhh lol its about too much hydrocarbons in the air..you forget that part lol
@ lol 😂 yeah we never discussed hydrocarbons back in 1977. I don’t know if that word existed back then lol 🤪
Trees and all the other plants love carbon. Pretty much all life on this planet is carbon-based. The Chinese need to clean up their act, though. They put up huge led screens that show the people the sunrise and sunset. Idiots. The powers that be aren't going to be happy until we all live in mud huts using cow dung for cooking and heat. Then they will ban cows.
If they aren't reducing the weight, there will be no point of going F.I.
The hurricane has proven to be a bulletproof motor.So if Dodge builds it you know it will be fast and reliable 👍 Take my money !
BUTTER THE INSIDER KING 🤴 OF INFORMATION LOVE YOUR VIDEOS AND HARD WORK BROTHER. CHEERS FROM THE CANADIAN PIT BULL 🇨🇦 👍
Im behind it, look what the Coyote did for Ford.
DOHC motors produce good power 💯
@@gullahgeechee2699timing chains ⛓ are always a weakness! It's just a reality
VW Group has a 4.0l TT V8, it can make an insane amount of power. On the low end it makes 414 bhp at 5,500 rpm; 406 lbf⋅ft from 1,400 rpm to 5,400 rpm and the higher end 771 bhp at 6,000 rpm; 738 lbf⋅ft. The various engines use different tech to make the power, but it would be doable for doing the same thing.
Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing the pentastar V8 at 4.8 to 5.2 liters with balance shafts at a 60° V angle? Likely marketed as the Magnum V8?
The Pentastar name reminds me of the Walmart Great Value brand
4.8 , they not will make a second type of conect rod more longer for less cylinder friction , all read is a cheap way of put a new V8 on market , the turbo probably is all read a problem , the biggest they have is for 1.5L each on the 3.0L twin turbo , the V8 is 0.9L more for each turbo to receive , they will over speed and strangle like in 5K rpm maybe less
😂😂 You and that plastic pentastar. It's a mass production rental car motor that has NO OVERHEAD. It's planned obsolescence at best. If Dodge was ever dumb enough to replace the hemi with a new V8, it won't be no weak pentastar. There's no point now with Trump rolling back EPA regulations the Hemi will return. Stellantis can't design a cereal box nevertheless R&D a replacement for a proven V8 that's been around since the 50s.
@marcanderson7478 exactly it's the great value brand of V6s 😂😂
The pentastar isn't a bad engine the owners and mechanics are. Fucking dealers overfill 3.6s like the oil is day old.
This is why I didn't wait around and went with a Power Wagon. That 6.4 is beefy
I miss the days of horsepower hunter butter
Will it be another grenade like the Demon 170?
They usually take about a year to get em right . We know dodge
On paper the hurricane engine should’ve been great. But Leave it to Chrysler to f up a simple inline 6 design. Cast aluminum block, plastic parts, small displacement, and twin turbochargers is just a recipe for disaster. Imo CDJR would’ve been good with a 4.0 liter inline six with cast iron block and a single bigger turbo
The Duke says, keep it simple. Your not building race cars for the track that only lasts 15 minutes. It's not all about power. It's about durability, reliability, drivability, and cost. Personally I have a 7.3 Godzilla and love it. But I was also one of the first people to buy a Dodge Cummins back in 1990. That was an awesome truck. What did I teach you?
That blueprint is a very old model plan. Like two decades old. I have seen a similar version. In a slant six displacement accompanied with a properly sized turbocharger. So don't be surprised to see something such as that to soon arrive next year.
as long as they don’t make a base model v6 sxt charger to flood the streets, we shouldn’t count on any v8 to go into production, let alone to be affordable 😂
You expect a Lamborghini?, lol. Even in the muscle car days 318 and Slant 6 Challengers and Chargers were sold...
Bro all they need too do is take the same architect of the hemi and make it a full aluminum block/heads add direct injection and you’ve got a better version of the same thing they’ve already got and less likely to some crazy ass recalls with a brand new engine
The EV Daytona should of been a low volume option until they worked the bugs out, then in the meantime keep or update the 5.7 while they work on the new V8.
A pentastar charger with a 6 spd manual transmission (like the wrangler) but low priced would be interesting !
Make it a 340!
If the new engine, which the pic you showed hints at, is a double overhead cam with a pentroof or in other words a modified hemi combustion chamber, they could market it as a DOHC Hemi and regain some fan support. Maybe.
550 hp @ 6800 rpm ain't bad with about 10 inches boost is not bad we have ran the engine to 9000 rpm there is 2 hp rating for street engines. 480 hp for trucks regular gas, 550 for street performance prem fuel. Racing will not be disclosed except on set only.
Dodge just needs to make a V12 engine like the Aston Martin with a turbo engine 🚒🔥🔥 that's what customer wanna see 🙈 period 😔 Fi real 🦜🐦🕊️😁🪖🪖🛣️⭐✨ still new technology is a must for the upgrades great content brother 😁🪖🪖🛣️😀
New twin turbo Viper? 🤔
You wish. Viper is dead. It's not coming back. The people have spoken with their wallets. That's why it's gone. The fact that they still sell a model or 2 now shows how little people wanted them. People would rather have a corvette, mustang, camaro, or something else. People don't want the viper. People love to love the viper, but they don't love buying it.
Cause of the price. If they brought it back I can imagine what the cost will be.
Oh my god … more great innovation …..
What it really is : more
breaking expensive CRAP 💩
More breaking expensive CRAP 💩
More breaking expensive CRAP 💩
Let me just help everyone out here:
1. Any engineering that’s currently taking place isn’t being done by people who are intelligent or even have experience with the American market. And they would be finishing projects started by engineers that are no longer at the company. That’s a great recipe for disaster.
2. These are most likely going to be built in Mexico if they even see the light of day, of which there’s a real possibility that they don’t. I don’t think anything else needs to be said.
So long as this group of Europeans is manning this ship, it's a vote of no-confidence for me, Butter.
I love this brand, too, but why should we feel any confidence buying anything these guys are pushing? They can go kick rocks.
These the same dudes who thought the hornet will sell😂😂😂😂
Mercedes-Benz currently offers a 4.0 V8 with a hybrid system, 800+ horsepower, 1000+ ft lbs of torque, in the S63. 0 to 60 mph in the 3 second range, near 200 mph top speed, IN A 6000 POUND CAR!!
Ain’t buying another new Dodge/Ram/Jeep until they have V8’s in them!
If Stellantis brings back the V8 it will be a hybrid no doubt. Its going to be just about the only way to sell a V8 after 2027
Hybrids are toast. If the connections for the electronics corroded, they will fail and very expensive to fix. Could result in your house burning down. Not acceptable. Keep it simple.
No it won't. EV mandates are going away. Watch ;)
I hope so! Who the hell wants a ev or a hybrid with issues? @mattbarker1411
Sounds like it would be a good motor for lighter bodies but Ram 1500 needs displacement to perform like it should. You cant expect a smaller engine to outlast a bigger engine just by forced induction. It takes time for turbos to spool up. Especially in heavier load applications. Idk. Tbh i thought that all the 5.7 Rams should have had a 6.4 .
Should started making hybrids and EV cars when everyone else did. You'd still have the V8s in their lineup. That's why they were getting fined.
Are you telling me that the fortune im spending building an OHC twin turbo 1000hp Mopar V8 that I always said was a better way, and they are now doing it? I knew I was right about what they needed.
They should offer the charger in 5.7, 6.4, 6.2 HC, and 454. And the new v8.
454 is a Chevy displacement. 440-7.2L would be cool, though
@owningit625 my typo, the Hellephant is 426 CI, not 454. Thanks for the heads up.
Did your mom microwave you as an infant?
Was just saying that a twin turbo v8 is only thing that can save them.
Please bring back the hemi
I work in powertrain, I agree with what TK is saying that the 5.7 will most likely be back because it’s a proven powertrain. With what they are going through with the inline 6 I don’t think it’s the right time to introduce another new engine. Maybe down the road. Plus the 5.7 can be in cars next year, a new engine with proper testing probably wouldn’t be ready for production until 2026 at the earliest.
I don't believe there is a new v8 coming. Stellantis big push is the hurricane, and I don't believe stellantis would have pushed the i6 or eliminated the v8 if a new v8 was in the pipeline.
Just a little "failed" past history. The 5 7l displacement was suppised to be only for the trucjs after the 1st gen abd the size for the cars; initally to debut in the first Challengers was supposed to be increased to 5.9l or 360 cubes. Now the 392 was always in the cards as the next displacement then the 426 as the largest. Here's the issue: that smaller Magnum was supposed to be a 318 or 5.2l. And anothe smaller V8 of 4.4l or 273 cu in. See where they were going but the merger killed the smaller V8 because it killed development of the mid engine coupes and midsized wagons. Also at the same time Cadillac was working on their own 4.4l DOHC V8; the Blackwing; so that would cause confusion. Now...the smaller V8 they probably kept working on in secret is the 5.2l. It's very easy to assume that it's going to gome in 2 or even 3 versions. I hate to admit it but a captive turbo head is now common practice; mainly to prevent aftermarket mods before the company can develop a full line first. A n/a 5.2 would be the base V8 for trucks but here's where I see the fun. If they continue with the hot V turbo; there could be a single twin scroll 5 2l and a twin turbo utilizing captive turbos built into the heads. There are benifits. The hot V design produces more power from smaller turbos because of less heat liss and how close the turbos are to the exhaust and intake ports. Heat is also easier to manage. It's an overall smaller package making more power. I'm sure it will all but replace the turbo six except in some offroad application's. Also the smaller 5 2l TT will get as good mpg as the I-6. If they were smart in the development of the 5.2 & 4.4 Magnums, they'd have used a nearly identicle 360 smallblock from the last pushrod era. That way they could flood the marjet with true Factory Direct Connection top end dohc Hemi heads in all 3 flavors from n/a to single twin scroll turbo to VG TT parts and beat the aftermarket to the punch. Not only that but imagine all the cars now being saved from the crusher because they can basically keep the original short block and jyst plunk on a bew upper half; with the normal mods we'd do anyway when upgrading. I really think the choke hold the LS motors have on the hot rod world would come to an end. Also, bye bye Bulletm
There are plenty of engines in their history to update they could use. That would save costs and breath new life into older swaps. Focus on weak points and build great long lasting engines. the 5.2 5.9 4.7 the 383 was a great engine.
Former Engine Engineer here: Twin turbo V8 engines are EXPENSIVE. And they don't package very well. And they are.... EXPENSIVE. And they require a small country's GDP to develop. I'd say its a long shot at this point. They would need significant volume to bring the costs down. That's how the HEMI became successful - lots of volume. The market is way too fragmented today. The gearhead market who would appreciate this solution is too small.
Maybe they go blower or n/a
Ding ding we have a winner.
All of these people posting crap about Dodge and any V8 at this point, it’s just wishful thinking. Nobody within the company with any sort of actual decision making ability is actually sold on a v8 of anything for the American brands. Nobody at the board level. Nobody at the executive level that has any sort of clout.
Best answer I’ve seen on the muscle car boards!
Those Mopar guys would be very upset if they could read!
@eldiablort1461 the 3.0 straight six wont sell well in anything outside a minivan or a jeep. Dodge and chrysler may as well dissapear.
Make the new v8 engine 5.2 liters and we have a modern 318!
I thought the Hellephant was going to be a crate 7.0-426 ci .?
and the challenger is gone without a replacement.
Yes it's a TT v8 smaller displacement DOHC. I've been saying this for 2 yrs now. lol. Dodge is v8 king. They ain't going NOWHERE
Hemi V8's haven't changed much since 2011...but The Coyote is on the 4th generation.
Ford may have fewer engine options, but with so many revisions that's a lot of money spent on manufacturing logistics for all the changes.
Yeah Ford and GM actually planned for the future lol
The only problem with the Gen 4 Coyote (especially in the F150s) is the cylinder deactivation (which is why I bought the 2024 Nissan Titan with the 5.6L Endurance V8 in it with 400 HP and 413 Ibs of Torque over the 2024 Ford F150 with the 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 400 HP and 410 Ibs of Torque).
And yet they can still manage to keep their v8s unlike sellout/bailout brand like dodge. All the 5.0 stuff is interchangeable so they didn't reinvent the whole thing.
Imagine the 5.2 is back
we love power
Good luck. After so many Dodge engineers lost their jobs last summer, i'm not getting my hopes up about an 'all new V8' unless its another hand-me down.
Oh boy, another turbo engine; can't wait... sure.
Long story short Chrysler coming is back you give a 2025 they will have that engine in a car and that's going to be in the Dodge I just don't want to be lonely with it so just take it how I'm saying it
if they made a new DOHC hemi engine then thats going to be the performance standard from this point out. it will make more power than an LT or Coyote
Displacement for the DOHC 32V Hemi should be at 5.7 liters.
@@CJColvin yeah but hopefully if it has at least 4.4in bore spacing it should be able to be bored sleeved to 4.125. Big bore with high flow heads that could hopefully rev to 8000-9000rpm with a proper bottom end would be an insane N/A platform and an even more insane boosted platform. Im excited as heck. I was looking into hammer head hemi LS's but the valvetrain geometry is bad
Smh no it wouldn't. Wtf are you smoking?
this has been a rumor since AT LEAST Sep 2015.
An engine is only as good as the car it’s put it. If quality is junk then everything else ends up being junk. That is the true reality behind all manufacturers.
Love to see all companies make a great V8 without that BS cylinder deactivation that hurts long term reliability. I had a 2013 Ram with the 5.7 Hemi and loved it, especially after muffler delete. Awesome truck.
A pentistar with 2 extra cylinders
I don't know. I think Dodge hung on to the old push-rod design for too long. To introduce a modern engine like the Ford Coyote is wishful thinking. There is one wild-card though. If Trump stops the EV push and loosens the fuel efficiency guidelines, then it might make sense for Dodge to release a modern V8. Let's wait and see.
The old pushrod Hemi owns Top Fuel the fastest accelerating vehicles on Earth. Suck it fuck face.
This thing lowkey sounds like it will be a Frankenstein. Didn’t come with the V8 originally but now they have to slap it in there and make sure that all of the old prompts and functions that were set for an electric “engine”, work for a V8. Feels like this will be a nightmare of a rollout because there will be so many things to consider. Can the body of this new frame handle the V8, etc. If it’s right, I’m definitely considering the 4 door version but they have to figure out a way to keep the wing in the front though. Not just for the “electric” version. The eh couldn’t for the hurricane V6 because of the engine.
5.7 Base engine, I-6 Turbo next level, then either the I-6 H.O. or the new V-8 from 500+h.p. northward in power. That's just a educated guess.
I have a question. Have you ever heard of the hellion twin turbo kit for the hellcats? Imagine this hurricane engine with stock twins can have a Whipple supercharger kit to fit in this engine. That would be interesting, wouldn't it?
About as interesting as getting a carolina reaper enema. Fuck that, bring the Hemi back!
@Joshcheyka I think you misunderstood me. I would rip the engine out of the crappy looking body, put it in something that looks better, put the supercharger on, and have BOTH the hemi and hurricane engine. I'm not saying get rid of the hemi, HEMI IS FOR LIFE.!!
Very good you had me till the end, Sharp.
The 5.7 hemi can go. They runined it after 2016 or so raising the cam up and not redesigning the splash lubrication and the cam would get no oil at idle.
they need update panels like they did when they made wide bodys then that car look good and hellcat engines or higher only and i buy 3 if they have 2 door / 4 door and 300 hellcat thats 300,000 some customer's would spend trilogy of hellcats
At this point I just don't know if Stellantis will get out there own way and realize that a "business/company" is in the business to make money and the best way to make money in the US marked is to listen to what the customers want. Since day one, the US consumers have not been 100% behind the EV way of things, please don't get me wrong Just like TK, I believe there is a marked for EV just the whole marked. I strongly believe the US marked wants V8 engines and potentially not just the US marked. Regarding the potential new V8 engine, to be honest I don't know how I feel about another V8 engine that isn't a Hemi. The HEMI is in my option what helped get the customers to buy a DODGE, JEEP, RAM and even CHRYSLER product. Now about the Hurricane, this may ruffle a few feather what I'm about to write. I personally was not a fan of the Hurricane BUT, given how expensive Gas prices are and the fact that for me an EV would be my first choice for a new vehicle. I was intrigued at first but seeing and hearing the issues the Hurricane engines continue to have, the power plan needs to be taken back to the drawing board and better quality parts need to be used when manufacturing this engine that is charged with transporting people/families to there destinations, not the mention the increased prices for said engine in these Stellantis vehicles. I may have gotten off topic, I personally would rather have 6.4, 5.7, (6.2 if Dodge/ Stellantis decides to another last call or special edition Charger again) and a reliable tried and true V6 engine, namely the 3.6 Pentastar engine, it's reliable and works. If Stellantis wants the people to purchase vehicle, it's simple (give what the People want). A reliable ENGINE V8 and V6 power plant and even more import an affordable prices tag that people will be ok with. Take us back to the days before Covid when Price Hikes and prices gouging only happened....as 🤣 Thank you Butter for all you do, I love the pod cast keep it up.
It needs to be in the 5 liters and rev out to 7 to 8 thousand. There aint no replacement for displacement is very true until rpms get factored in. Thats how coyotes are so strong. But it should have some size still. 4.0l is to small for heavy vehicles.
Good reminder. I just subscribed.
I wonder what a Dodge Magnum redesign would look like do anybody have some schematics for it?
The price tag of a lot of the hellcats were ridiculous. Along with a 90k+ mustang.
Turbo integrated into the head? That’s sounds like a nightmare. Maybe they could integrate the head into the block.
What about the hemi 1500 on direct connection
The problem is the monopolies buying up interest in our companies changing things against the will of the people, in every aspect of our lives.
2 valves, boost along with dual direct / indirect injection is KISS and less complexity of Coyote V8 can be moved to better heat proof and friction coatings, more inconel usage and Torroidal CVT banned from F1.
Heads with integrated manifolds/turbo are junk for making power, we already have a hard enough getting aftermarket support being mopar people, now this would make it just that much more of a pain to get aftermarket support
A straight in-line six with twin turbos I think would be a good idea. The street six is a very simple motor. Not a huge fan of V6 is.
The reason I say this is because I have a Dodge power waggon with 40 inch tires so my gas mileage obviously is not very good !😂 i’m the second owner of this truck even when it’s stock with 33 inch tires. It got 10 miles per gallon now I get 8.5. I’m getting the same gas mileage as RVs that are gas.
I believe that head with the built in turbo was a new design for the I6. That was shown a year or two ago
Twin turbo 5.7 dual overhead cam engine Stellantis do it!!!!!!
Lmao they couldn't pull that off, they can barely keep their turd ass pushrod engines reliable as it is.
The simple fact of the matter is, it's not superior. Sure they slapped twin turbos on an inline 6 and got better performance than a stock hemi, slap twin turbos on your hemi and have some real fun, I've even seen it done on the supercharged hemis, people making 2000whp
Bring back the 3.9 liter V6 then twin turbo that and see what it would do with a six speed manual behind it 🤔
Take the old 3.5L V6, add 2 cylinders to the dual OVH cam engine, add turbos to each bank, wallah... 4L twin turbo V8.
Sounds good, but have to see it, and it depends on how expensive it is and how it performs. Dodge and Ram products are currently way over priced and have quality issues.
Just bump up the displacement of the Hurricane engine and stick with it until it's reliable.
BUTTER BUTTER was right
Should of made the hemi a 5L. Direct and port injection and thicker cyl walls for a turbo or super charger model in a couple years.