Ozempic & Weight Loss Surgery is Cheating
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There are literally no cheaters in weight loss. If you're obese or even moderately overweight and you need help losing it, you do what is necessary (within reason and with a doctor's oversight) to get that weight off and save your own life and improve health.
Yes thank you!
Exactly
Suboxone is cheating too
That's right.
There is no such things like cheating during weightloss.
Everyone does what works best for them.
Why? Cuz weightloss is not a sport competition discipline FFS 😂
Yes there are. Ozempic/WLS are a crutch. Change your lifestyle and eating habits instead if you want to actually keep the weight off.
People are so weird about weight. It's your own personal journey. No one else matters.
This! My partner told me that in his opinion, the number on a scale is just a metric.
Exactly!!!
THIS
Right? Its so simple and objective and yet there is so much debate and sensitivity around this.
i'll continue to lose weight supernaturally.
lol I like that!
Weight loss surgery saves so many lives! I have lost 270lbs and gained a whole new life. Who knows where I would be without it. When you are so far gone on the other end of the spectrum, time is not in your favor. I was fighting the clock. Best decision I have ever made.
Yes, and since it basically just alter the amounts you consume the biochemical consequense is within the sort of natural processes of the body.
I was overweight all my life. I could eat and eat and eat without ever getting full.
I tried to exercise and eat healthy and count calories etc. but it just never worked for me. I was always hungry. I ate a five pound burger for an eating competiton and after a couple hours I was ready for more.
I had the sleeve surgery at 425lbs in 2016.
I go to the gym. I eat 1800 calories most days (some days I treat myself to some higher calorie foods)
I’ve lost 200lbs and keep it off.
However when I look at those who lost weight without doing surgery etc I get self conscious.
I have been chubby most of my life, never above 200 lbs at 5ft7. Boom, at age 60, type 2 diabetes! I went on Ozempic for Type 2 and now weigh 165 and my blood glucose is perfect, but I did change my diet and have always exercised. I'm of the belief that whatever tools a person uses to become healthier is fine, no way is bariatric surgery the easy way out!
Great job!
Good for you !! Proud of you
How could undergoing surgery be cheating?? I think those that choose surgery are extremely brave. I get it what you mean about being able to eat and eat and always hungry. I feel that way. The new GlP-1 meds just validate that. Not every feels the same hungry!! Like for some of us the hungry switch just has no off. I've lost 100+. It's hard keeping it off. I am still forever hungry. I just try to get used to the feeling and be ok with it. Congrats to you for your - 200 lbs.
@@kathleeninkansas1770 like I know it’s not wrong or anything. But reading stories or listening to videos of people who lost weight with diet and exercise as the main thing just got me feeling some way ya know?
(And growing up not eating everyday helped develop this mentality “I need to eat as much as I can as I don’t know when I’ll eat next”)
Saying ozempic and weightloss surgery is cheating reminds me of people saying having a C-section is cheating lmao. Both are ridiculous.
Wait loss surgery save my life I was so sick I was 525lbs I lost 200lbs and my cholesterol is normal and my a1c normal blood pressure meds are almost normal and still loosing with exercise and diet
You go you! Congrats!
John, huge respect for what you did “naturally”. I have lost weight many times in my life, but not as much as you, and the longest I kept weight off was about 4 or 5 years. Sadly the tendency over time was to gain weight, regardless of whether I lost weight doing low fat, low carb, counting calories, doing lots of lifting, or cardio, or some combination of those regimens.
Now in middle age, I found myself obese with hypertension and diabetes.
So, now I am on Mounjaro, and it is a valuable tool for controlling diabetes and losing weight.
It is not cheating. I am am down almost 45 lbs in 3 months because I changed my diet. The Mounjaro helps me control my appetite and food cravings. So I am hoping I can reach my goal of 100 to 120 lbs of weight loss and most important, keeping it off long term.
If I didn’t change my diet, I believe the weight loss would be a lot less. Because you can eat while on this stuff if you really want to. You just pay for it later.
Yeah but you actually have diabetes and that medicine benefits you, there's people without diabetes taking that Supply away from people who actually need it
Great take! 10/10! Using the word ‘naturally’ doesn’t bother me as someone who has had the VSG and lost over 100lbs. It’s when people (usually people who have never been overweight or obese) act like it’s an easy way out. Because it wasn’t. Recovery was brutal, I will potentially never have certain foods and drinks again, and I still have to track everything that goes into my mouth. It’s not an easy way out. Like you said it’s a scary intense surgery.
I'm on Ozempic. And the thing for me is, I still consider this losing weight naturally. I still bust my ass at the gym. I still have to eat less calories than I expend. The main thing that Ozempic does for me is it turns off that little voice in my head that wants to eat every five minutes. So it's more like an aid to help you lose weight naturally, by calories in vs. calories out. Weight loss surgery is similar, if you don't put in the work and change your life permanently, you'll quickly lose to the old calories in vs calories out equation. I think the only one you could consider falls outside the scope of calories in calories out is liposuction, which is removing adipose tissue manually instead of burning it via the body's natural processes.
That being said, I'll never get offended by folks who view it differently than me. You do you!
You got type 2 diabetes?
Same, I lost 64 lbs on Wegovy and all it did was reduce my appetite so I could stick to counting calories. That’s it. People make it up to be some magical thing but it really isn’t. It just decides appetite. You will NOT lose weight on this drug, unless you are in a calorie deficit. I counted calories every step of the way. I’ve been off the drug since January and haven’t regained, because I keep counting calories. My hunger is back with a vengeance, but I tell myself it’s temporary and I keep going.
You're the best John!
I had weight loss surgery in 2022 and I've lost 150 pounds. How ever we get it done to be healthy, we get it done! It's all hard work and I'm here for everyone's fight!
There's no "cheating" because health is not a competition!
Love this comment!!!!! ❤
Definitely cheating.
I hate to say it but it does tend to smack of “if people CAN lose weight and keep it off naturally then i have no excuse and that makes me mad” as opposed to living in a fantasy world where no one can do it naturally. If the world is a fantasy place where no one ever is able to lose weight naturally then it reinforces the ideas that keep them stuck.
(Also lost weight naturally - from 200 to 150 and still going down! Thank you for helping me in the beginning - your videos kept me going through the rough start)
I had a VSG. Gained most ofg weight back. I'm proud of you for doing it your way. You're not shaming me. Everyone has their own journey. You were young and could do those exercises and what not. When you're older, your body says heck no I'm not doing that or I can't do that. We needed to lose the weight faster for our health. I applaud you!! No weight loss journey is easy. There are adjustments to make, lifestyle changes. Keep doing what you're doing.❤❤
Hi, John. Congratulations on your weight loss. I think that you should absolutely be proud of losing weight "naturally." Being young and male (more muscle mass naturally) probably did give you a little bit of a leg up. HOWEVER---> it was still hard, and it's even harder to keep it off. Maintenance is hard, and in my opinion it can even be harder than losing weight. Good for you! You are not shaming anyone, you are just telling your story.
I tried for many years to get to a healthy weight, but needed help by way of weight loss surgery, and even took GLP-1 meds for over a year... they are nearly impossible to get right now, so I had to stop taking them. I am now struggling with a little regain, but I am eating better, exercising daily, and am generally the healthiest I have been in my adult life. The number on the scale says I am "overweight," but I am active, getting stronger, and am proud of my accomplishments.
My husband has lost 90 pounds in the last year with ADF (alternate day fasting) and exercise. So, he is doing it "naturally," but I don't feel like he's shaming me for doing it a different way.
I can totally see your perspective. I think people are just so tribal, and need constant validation about the choices they made, and can often see the methods other people use as an attack on their choice. It's not, obviously, and I think people take decisions like bariatric surgery far too lightly, and think it'll make everything easier. It's one of the reasons I like your commentary and channel, as I feel like it's inclusive no matter how we've chosen to lose weight.
Honestly, people that had surgery and have maintained weightloss long term have A LOT in common with people that lost weight without any kind of medical intervention. Both have to adjust their eating and increase their activity. As someone that had a bypass, I can tell you that after a few years it mostly wears off. If you haven’t made the key life changes you’ll gain the weight back. The reality is that my surgery allowed me to get to my goal faster AND the initial effects had a Pavlovian effect on what I choose to eat. But it still takes work.
At the end of the day, the real winners in this are the people that are successful LONG TERM. In that respect we are all the same because we have to put in the same work.
The drugs, however, are a little different. To my knowledge, the effect doesn’t wear off unless you stop taking the meds. It’s not clear to me that people are being taught to make the same life changes with the meds that is required for surgery. I guess we will see how effective it is long term.
I’ve lost 123lbs naturally but I gained 60lbs back… I know I needed the help… I went through the process to get my surgery. I’ve lost about 30lbs since my vsg on 1-4-24
You don't know how the meds work then. We do all the work. We have to change our diets and we have to maintain an exercise program.
The drugs are not different. Please don’t spew misinformation. You need a doctor to prescribe it, and they follow you every step of the way and teach you to adjust your lifestyle and eating habits. They follow up with blood work etc. My doctor asked me to see a registered dietician while I was on GLP-1, to teach me how to build better eating habits.
Sincerely, someone who lost 64 lbs on Wegovy and quit the drug in January. So far no weight regain, because i stick to my new habits. Please stop this shaming of people who use medicine to help them with their weight. It’s not any different than weight loss surgery; it’s like weight loss surgery in an injection. Both decrease your appetite. And people who had weight loss surgery can also regain, in fact it happens often.
My dad had cancer surgery this year. It was done with a robot. He barely has a scar and was home the next day. No one would suggest he cheated or that it wasn't really cancer just because medical science has advanced.
After years of trying to get the weight off with fitness and diet (Doc said I was doing everything right, but my body's "set point" wasn't budging), I went the WLS route.. And I'll say this, my hat is absolutely off to anyone who was able to do it without WLS or medications.. Whatever route people use to get healthy, I support them 100%, but those who do it naturally, I have such respect for. (And no, I don't think your video is an attack on those of us who couldn't do it that way).
It was quite stressful. A lot of nights I couldn't sleep because I felt so hungry. And this was after a 1,700 calorie day, which is plenty. The hungry doesn't really go away. It becomes less and you get used to feeling that way more. It stinks!
@@kathleeninkansas1770I'm sure you have been told this but make sure you are prioritising protein so that you feel more satiated. Also seek therapy for your mental health if you previously ate for emotional reasons.
Dude thank you so much for this video. I’m only slightly overweight (not enough for people to notice) but I have eaten really badly for my entire adult life and now I am entering my mid 30s. It’s harder to keep off weight and I’m looking to do a whole lifestyle change. My goal is to lose about 25 pounds. I’m almost 6 feet tall, so it’s not too much. So medication’s like this I feel like aren’t an option for me. So losing weight naturally is the only option in my view. I love your videos and I think your journey is really inspiring and it’s helped me a lot. Don’t let people get you down, you are doing great things.
Weight loss opinions come down to one concept: you're not in my canoe, you don't get a paddle.
Instead of being upset that it could have been easier, be glad that you did it, that you’re strong enough, and be glad you have that journey to help build what you are now. This is no different than an old guy getting grumpy that kids these days use the internet instead of looking things up at the library. Okay, that’s true, but each generation uses the tools at its disposal to make the best choices it can make.
I don't take offense from your statement. I’m taking Wegovy for weight loss and I have a heart condition where my heart grows extra stems and valves. I don’t suffer bc it’s been managed since I was born. So I’m one of those people who can use a medical condition as an excuse or say that I “need it.” But working out is a process for me. Overall, cardio is good for me and strengthens the heart. Being physical is actually a necessity to keep my heart strong. I won’t deny that. *BUT* an increased heart rate for too long does genuinely hurt especially now that I’m reaching my 30s. Not to mention that I have to make sure I’m wearing a heart rate monitor and keep nitroglycerin close by. When it comes to weight loss, that can be very discouraging because I can’t burn calories as much or as fast I’d like to. If I do want to burn calories, I prefer to do it slower. A walk instead of a short jog, simple short hikes, low intensity spin class. Heck, low intensity everything until I get used to the movement. It’s also anxiety inducing when every time you work out, its only a matter of time until I start to feel like a heart attack. I’ve only had to use nitroglycerin once and I’d like it to stay that way. It took 2 years for me to ever go to a gym again 😭
And I’m 4’10. My highest was 210lbs. It’s very discouraging to have a low TDEE and limited options to burn calories. (I'm actually one of the lucky people whose illness was caught early. So I can move freely. Most can't. My mom is the same way and uses a wheelchair. So imagine trying to lose weight when you move far less than the average person.)
So yes, I can lose weight “naturally.” I’m not going to say that it isn’t possible for me. But its slow and scary and frustrating and easy to get caught up in all the things I can’t do. So I was at a cross roads when I wanted and needed to lose weight but any attempt gave me so much anxiety. Anyway, my cardiologist took Wegovy before it was widely available and used it for a year before he would prescribe it to any of his patients. He used himself as a test subject bc there wern’t any studies yet on whether the weight loss was long term. He also wanted to see how it effected his heart before giving it his heart patients. And he’s admitted that he wouldn’t prescribe it to everyone. But the way he described it to me is that motivation itself is a powerful tool. If that is the thing that makes weight loss easier for clients and gets rid of the anxiety then it makes a world of difference. I don’t think its cheating, the same way that using a roomba a instead of a vacuum cleaner gets your house clean. But your word don’t offend me. Acknowledging that it is possible and a luxury is very important. I'm not cheating but I am using a tool to give me a little boost and bridge the gap between my struggles with physical activity.
Just remember. Eating less costs less and you have more money available for other things.
As a person who weight cycled for years & now has had bariatric surgery (and taken various weight loss meds) I think people who have lost weight w/o surgery and/or meds should definitely be able to have their own spaces and support groups. Because maintaining weight loss (for me) post gastric bypass is different when you have a structural barrier to the amount of food/liquids you can eat. It’s a different lived experience & I don’t think it’s a problem for any person to share their own truth.
The hardest part will, and will always, be keeping it off. Peeps on these meds and that get wl surgery still have to change their lifestyle or they'll end up back where they were.
Definitely, I have many friends that lost 100 or more lbs after wls but they have since gained it all back... and I feel so bad for them.
@@healingwithkayla same. Being a human is rough.
Same with "natural" weight loss. Dear god stop pre-judging.
@@Hopeful62 of course!
Im 9 months post bariatric surgery (sleeve ) and letme tell you the first few months were relatively easy. I just stayed in my calories and the kilograms just flew. I weighted 137kg, now I weigh 86. Im still 12 to 14kg from my ideal weigh ( im 175cm tall) its getting more and more challenging. I went to therapy for 1.5 years to prepare myself for the surgery and its still hard not to overeat, to track my calories and macro's. Now im on my own to keep going and to keep the weight off for good. I got help losing a great amount of weight but now i feel like its all in my hands. Its not THAT easy
The reason I love your channel is not because you lost weight… it’s because your mentality is real, relatable and refreshing! You could have lost weight with any method, but doing it the way you did not only made you healthy, it also made you a figure of inspiration and support for many. I’ve never been obese, yet your videos always help me keep on track (or get back on track) a healthier lifestyle, instead of going down a depression spiral whenever I screw up.
I’m 100 pounds down from my highest weight, and I have done it “naturally”. I think there should be space for those that go this route. Surgery and expensive medications aren’t feasible for everyone. Seeing people achieving their weight loss goals without these tools makes me more confident that I can do the same thing.
The issue I have is the opposite. I am choosing to lose weight “naturally” I started in August 2023 and have lost 30, and have about 70 to go. I have several colleagues who used Wegovy .. stated the same time I did and, of course lost 100+ pounds with no exercising. I exercise 1 1/2 hours 5 days per week, walk 2 hours at my standing desk daily 5 days weekly) and record my foods keeping to 1550-1700 . I’ve only allowed myself 2 “cheat days” since starting. I
just started Metformin because, although I lost weight, my A1c threw me into pre-diabetes, which I didn’t have when I was heavier.
I think what hurts me is when colleagues say that I must not be trying hard enough and “why don’t you take Ozempic”?
I refuse to take any GLP1 agonist because of the cancer risk as cancer, especially pancreatic cancer, runs in my family. I really just want to give up.. but I won’t. Next comes resistance training!
As a bariatric patient, this is my take:
I think the important distinction isn't between "natural" and "non-natural" weight-loss. I'm not even sure that either term really fits when it comes down to actual definitions. All weight loss is assisted. It just depends on what is used to assist it. No reasonable person would get mad at you for losing weight without needing to use a more extreme tool (such as medication or surgery). The anger comes in when people feel that they are being judged for NOT doing it without one of those tools (and unfortunately, some people expect to be judged by every person in a certain group that they just snap without really listening.) The only time I have an issue is when people are trying to devalue the work that I put in simply because I had bariatric surgery. As long as that's not the case, then we're all good.
Oh my goodness that was adorable 6:57. Who is that little nugget??
Your experience is valid! I also lost the weight naturally through HIIT workouts and Intermittent fasting 💪
I'm on munjaro currently I am type 2 diabetic and I just have to say that munjaro is a game changer not only have I lost a lil over 50lbs in a year but my A1c has never been better I've gone from having an A1c of 13 to now it's only 6!!! I've literally cut my A1c in half!! It's not just the munjaro of course I've started going to the gym daily but it gave me the extra boost I needed to get where I am. I still have about another 60lbs to lose. you don't just take it and magically all your weight is gone you still have to put in work with diet and exercise in my experience but I view it as do whatever you have to do as long as it's safe no matter which way you lose at the end of the day why does it matter how I did it as long as it's in a safe and healthy way.
Keep on talking. I'm on GLP1 meds after decades of yoyo dieting. That you have maintained your weightloss is exciting and exceptional. And many others can and will be inspired by it. In fact, I was inspired by you to get help from a weightloss clinic. And they helped me increase my health by decreasing my weight with meds. It's slow and I still have to work and struggle with old habits. But I don't have the addition of feeling overly hungry all the time to battle as much.
I think the issue is that "naturally" sounds like any help is "unnatural". Naturally is a shortcut for reduced diet, exercise and mindset changes. Alone. Which is only a little different from reduced diet, exercise, mindset change, and GLP1 meds.
Anything that you have to keep up the rest of your life in order to have noticeable results isn’t “cheating” in my opinion. I will always champion weight lifting and eating well before surgery or medication but no one should keep being miserable because they didn’t get healthy in specific way! I say this as a bodybuilder who will have to work like crazy this year to lose 30 lbs and gain way more muscle for a show lol That’s MY path and I don’t look down on others who may have used a bike for a bit
I have lost almost 100 pounds with diet and exercise. However a person loses weight, good for them! I was too nervous about having WLS to have it; I decided to slowly change my diet. Ten years later I am down 100 pounds. I wish everyone on a quest to lose weight, however they decide to do it, the best of luck.
I'll be honest, I don't understand why there is so much negativity around the HOW. In my personal opinion, the goals are the same, the success is the same, the struggles are the same, and the failures are the same. In truth, when I hear someone loses weight naturally I am deeply inspired and proud of them. As someone who has had bariatric surgery, I still had to do the work. It was a tool, not a cure. So how anyone can say this is right or that is wrong, why can't we all just come together and be supportive. If we supported each other instead of nitpicking, maybe we can ALL enjoy each others success!!
Dude, you did it naturally and that is awesome. I do have an aversion to holding onto weight, no matter how hard I tried to lose it. I did have Roux-Y 11 years ago and lost 240 pounds to 232 at my lowest. I am back up to near 400, and on Ozempic(just started so nothing I can report right now). These are all my choices and yes I know how I got back up to the weight I am. There was a shift in working IT in a warehouse setting walking 5 miles a night to a desk job, and now working remote permanently. I have to be more dedicated to making my efforts deliberate. But I am not mad at you, its when people want to call me lazy for how I am doing it. Not knowing my story, not living my life. You arent judging anyone, so we arent mad at you, I am happy you are where you are. I will get back to where I should be, for me it just takes help.
I started the process of WLS, but declined it because I really didn’t like the idea of having to reroute my digestive system and issues down the road that it may cause. I ended up losing 70lbs on my own. I still to lose a little more, but I am happy with my choice.
Ozemptic for diabetic people not meant for weight loss regularly. They still recommend us to exercise.
YES 👏🏻
And to have a balanced diet…
I mean I think everyone's view on weightloss is valid and should be heard. There's no point in every group fighting. My tool of VSG is just that- a tool that helped me loose weight that I otherwise struggled with. Your insight of lifestyle changes post weight loss has been invaluable to me for my struggles/journey so of course I will always be here to listen to what you have to say!
I guess the part that gets me is ozempic is only temporary. Ultimately lifestyle changes are the only sustainable way to lose weight and keep it off right?
Years ago I lost 106# "naturally" although it wasn't exactly natural because I NATURALLY wanted to overeat. It's what my brain told me was normal, thus natural to ME. Personally, it never bothered me when others went with surgery. Two significant injuries led me to gaining back the majority of the weight after having kept it off for 10+ years. I'm 53 now and am on a GLP-1 because getting my weight back down to help improve my health means more to me than some rando's opinion of how I accomplish it. If someone wants/needs to lose weight, I wish them success.
As someone who is 1 year out from having weight loss surgery, it is by NO means an easy fix or an easy way out AT ALL. Having weight loss surgery was my very last resort. I tried many different diets over my life, went to the gym & worked out with a trainer, I met with a nutritionist, etc. My agenda behind the surgery wasn’t to wear a bikini or become a supermodel, because I honestly do not give a damn about what I look like; I wanted to prolong my life for my children. Additionally, when consulting with a doctor regarding the possibility of having WLS, they do not just go and schedule the surgery for a month from the consultation, it’s a 9-12 month process. I was required to lose 10% of my body weight, meet with a dietitian once a month for 6 months, have 2 psychological evaluations, extensive blood work, etc. before I was even considered for surgery. When all criteria had been met, meaning, I put in the work and proved to them that I was ready, then they scheduled the surgery. Then, 2 weeks before surgery, I was required to be on liquid only diet of protein shakes and broth (800-850 calories/day) to shrink the liver. I had to give up MANY foods that I enjoyed before like sugar, soda, and fried foods. I’m also required to take a high potency multivitamin every day for the rest of my life. All of the benefits outweigh the challenges because my quality of life has immensely improved!
I had the surgery almost 5 years ago and I have been fighting to stay alive since. The surgery is literally trying to kill me and it sux and its the biggest regret of my life. Id rather go back to how i was before getting it done.
I’m surprised to hear that the statistics of how small the percentage of people who are able to lose and maintain their weight made you feel unseen. I’d think it would make you feel proud knowing that you were able to accomplish what so many people couldn’t. I know if I had lot the weight naturally, I would be proud, and I would want to share that I’ve done it naturally. And at one point, I lost a lot 80 lbs and was very proud of myself. I did it in a very healthy weight, but there was a stall, and circumstances that led to me gaining it back and more and the cycle would repeat over and over. I am now in the process of getting bariatric surgery, and I have no shame in that.
I can see how people can become sensitive though, because there ARE those that will pint the finger and say “you cheated”. It’s like the fat acceptance community getting sensitive whenever people mention trying to lose weight and become healthier. Because some may have been used to being called names and berated that they have now become sensitive to anything close to that… and they’ve somehow adopted that belief into the community. Our whole society has become ultra sensitive about everything that people are afraid to speak their own mind anymore.
I came around on the weight loss drugs. I did my weight loss naturally when i turned 50. It wasn't a large amount like you but it took some time. When i hit my target weight i was able to juggle my calories so i have been maintaining over the last 6 years and i feel better than i did. I felt if i could do it then anyone could but i do realize now that everyone is different and they have to take their own path and if they need drugs then that's fine. Except now a friend who needs the drug for an illness has trouble getting them because so many people are taking them
If I could lose it naturally I would and I tried for years and years, and at 200lbs I had enough and got ozempic.
i had vsg a year ago and have lost over 100lbs. In my opinion, the problem people had with the video is the assumption that the sound has. Many times people who take weightloss medication or have had surgery we hear oh you took the easy way out as if theres no work to be done. I can tell you my self Ive been going to the gym since July at 4am every morning working on my body but when people ask about my weight loss the min i say i had surgery all that work is disregarded. And i think thats what people are upset about. Yes weightloss surgery and medication helps but thats not the only thing that has gotten us to where we are (at least for me). I believe however u choose to loose the weight IS HARD WORK weather through a calorie deficit or surgery or medication or whatever it may be
I'm losing weight without surgery and without meds. My doctor tried to pressure me to take ozempic and I actually purchased the prescription but I just didn't want to have to be on that all of my life or have the weight come back. It's best for me to get my act together and have a healthy relationship with food. So it's possible and I'm working towards it!!
So, I’m taking a GLP-1 medication and to answer your question, no I do not feel like you are shaming anyone. Quite the opposite. You’re basically saying there’s space for all of us in the weight-loss community. And I don’t think anything is wrong with someone who lost weight without WLS or medication to say that they lost it “naturally”, because they DID lose it naturally. Granted, there are definitely people out there who do shame others and judge them for taking a different approach… but I don’t believe that you are one of them. 💚🐝
The shot and the surgery are just tools. We still need to put in the hard work and change the habits and eat healthier.
As someone who had gastric bypass and then gained it all back, thank you to the natural weight loss community for giving me hope. Watching others who had surgery succeed made me feel like such a failure. I also tried the medications and the side effects were too intense for me.
Since I've been watching O2B I've felt so much hope and found things that ACTUALLY help me. When I had surgery I got like 2 or 3 sessions of therapy and a dietician that didn't particularly help me find a diet that helped me. John has made me more passionate about exercise and I've found things I actually enjoy plus helping me learn about TDEE and how protein makes me feel full.
I'm happy for those people that found success with WLS or medications but the natural weight loss community is so valid and necessary for people like me to not give up.
My wife has struggled with PCOS for several years not and despite everything we've tried she has only managed to maintain weight. Granted we home school, I work a lot, the kids have things going on. It's hard to get a solid workout routine beyond basic stuff like walks and house work. She is giving the ozempic a go to help kickstart the weight loss journey. If she can use ozempic to get some of the weight down so that she has more energy she can start to be more active. So far she has lost 3 or 4lbs in the first week. Side effects aren't terrible if you eat right and i'm honestly debating on getting on it myself.
No one gets to take away how hard we work to lose weight on our own accord, naturally. It is fkin HARD. In saying that any journey you take for your health is a win.
I’ve been following you from the beginning and as someone who has lost weight in all the categories. Each phase of my journey has needed a different tool. I’m down 170 pounds
I’ve seen a lot of this type of mindset lately. I 100% agree that anyone should be able to share their experience without stepping on eggshells for anyone. Your story is yours, and it’s not a judgement on anyone else. If someone gets offended by listening to your experience, that says more about what they think about themselves than anything. And not just about weight loss. Life experiences are meant to be shared. People are getting too sensitive and too entitled. “Feelings” are ruling the day! If I “feel something, it must be true.” It’s silly.
I think your weight loss is amazing. When watching this, your body language is very interesting. You tend to be very open, but around #3:10 when you start talking about very personal thoughts and issues regarding lap band surgery, you automatically crossed your arms. Its a defensive reaction with most people, and most don't even realize they do it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, but after watching you for the last couple years, it kind of surprised me because of how open you are. Again , nothing wrong with it, i just tend to notice the little things. Love your videos! 😊
I took it as a joke, people love to feel attacked and love to be mad… I think these medications and surgeries, when used safely and properly are awesome!
I feel like a lot of blame should be on our education system. It blows my mind that not once during school did I ever learn to calculate my own bmr or tdee. The classes on food/nutrition I remember pretty much just boiled down to fruit & veg= good, carbs & sugar= bad. I was overweight for so long because the only info about calories I was told was 2000 for women and 2500 for men. And then people get to a point where they need extra assistance like surgery and meds to help lose the weight. Maybe a lot of it could be prevented by having the info drilled into to us earlier on in life.
I think they can be tools for weight loss. I'm one of the "forgotten" that lost weight naturally and kept it off. My tools were therapy and body building. Therapy and intermittent fasting helped me drop the weight, body building helped me accept the body I was left with and maintain a healthy lifestyle.
Ok. People can think what they want and it really boils down to jealousy. Same as people who get plastic surgery are hated on by the ones that can’t afford it.
I had gastric bypass surgery and I don’t feel offended when people say that they lost it naturally at the end of the day I still lost my weight feeling great and doing great.
This is so true!! Everyone in my family is obese and I was an obese child, and I started working out in high school, and I lost a bunch of weight, and then I continued my fitness journey and joined the military after high school, and even after having two children, I was able to drop all the weight and I’ve maintained a average bodyweight for years and my family discredits, my weight loss all the time by saying that it was just easy for me and I’m just built different than them when I literally was obese when I lived at home and was eating the same food they were 😂 all I literally do is calories in calories out. I don’t limit any of the foods that I eat and they just think I’m a medical anomaly 😂💀
As someone who’s lost over 200 pounds (50 lbs. on GLP1 drugs), no hate at all in your vid. So not a controversial take. I like to follow weight loss creators who did it anyway. There’s things I can learn about the experience overall and things specific to them. Others may prefer more creators that did it like them (specific diet, surgery, meds, etc.) and nothing wrong with that. However we did it, it’s an accomplishment. I just feel creators need to be honest about how they did it if they’re taking it public so no one is mislead.
I feel like ozempic is more of a thing in the us bc it is less regulated than in Europe? But I am not sure
I am on a GLP medication journey. I have (literally for years) tried to lose weight "naturally" so many times just to gain it back due to my anxiety and depression. It just now that something is working. I don't have the issues I was experiencing before the GLP medication. I understand that it is not for everyone, but it is my journey and I honestly don't feel like I'm cheating.
I alway say I lost over 140 pounds naturally. I worked my @ss off to lose that weight and have kept it off and am still losing weight., slower but I'm ok with that. I work in a bariatric office and see majority of the ppl who have them fail after 7 or so years. I've seen people with surgery die because of it (my father, my BFF and several several patients in my office). I've seen the meds fail as soon as ppl go off of them. IDGAF what ppl think or say because I say I lost my weight naturally. If someone has an issue with is, that's on them. I fixed my head first, which IMO is so important to keep weight off. I did my research to find a sustainable way to eat (WFPB & SOS). So yes, I proudly say I lost my weight naturally.
Since when is major surgery the "easy way"?! I hate it when people say that. Its hard and painful and life changing.
As someone who has been obese there entire life. I tried everything including dieting as a child. I tried doing it naturally and itried over the counter drugs plus prescription drugs. I ended up at 39 deciding to get a gastric sleeve. Now I'm 10 months post op and don't regret nothing. I wish I could have kept the weight off without going to surgery but I needed it. With that being said anyone journey is difficult and I believe we should all be able to get along. The weight loss community should accept everyone.
I think its all about choosing your hard. I personally would rather go to the gym and clean up my nutrition vs dealing with side effects of medications or having to eat a bariatric friendly diet the rest of my life. Ive lost 124lbs NATRUALLY and Im proud of that!
This is literally the exact conversation that's been had in the mommy-sphere for years - those who had a C-section or epidural getting upset when someone says they had a baby naturally like it makes them better. And maybe they are saying it that way - but who cares. Why would that trigger you in any way.
You can’t please everyone.
I usually don’t comment but I have gained back all the weight I have lost. I’m at 250, and in 2021-22 got to 220. I was so happy and proud of myself. Unfortunately I have gained it all back. It is so so hard to keep it off in my experience. I feel I resorted back to old habits such as emotional eating or overeating at every meal. I have thought about weight loss surgery, but also know the severity of the surgery. I just feel defeated, and I’m really hoping I can kick myself into gear because I’m only getting older. I don’t wanna be sick and dying anymore.
To be honest I had vsg on 1-4-24 it’s been the best decision of my life. I had lost weight naturally 123lbs on my own but I gained 60lbs back. The first week is hard but it’s worth it! I went back to the gym after 28 days after the surgery (my surgeon approved me to go back) I’ve lost 30 pounds since then but again they helped me new habits that you should keep for a lifetime 💖
Have you ever thought about putting your titles in quotes or using a question mark when they’re based on a topic that you’re going to discuss but it isn’t necessarily something you agree with? The reason I say this is because sometimes I worry that people who don’t realize the title is meant to be a bit shocking or inflammatory but isn’t your personal opinion might be turned off or think you’re an alpha gym bro type. I just don’t want you losing potential views because I think you deserve way more than you get.
I lost 300 pounds naturally. I went from 500 to 195 pounds. There is a huge difference between doing it naturally and using drugs or surgery.
The biggest difference I’ve seen is those who do it naturally have an overall healthier diet and exercise regularly. That isn’t to say the other groups don’t, but it is far more likely and far more important for long term weight loss if you have to control your diet 100% on your own.
It’s been 17 years since I lost the weight, but I still struggle with hunger issues. It’s a constant battle.
i lost 60 lbs "naturally" but idc how people lose the weight to get to a healthy point, i don't consider any of it easy. My main concern is when individuals rely on things like ozempic or wls and don't consider that it's not a magic pill, you still have to have some disipline and knowledge to keep that weight off afterwards. In my opinion, if you're not needing to lose a large amount of weight to be healthier, you should try to do it organically so you can learn your body's metabolism and hormones as you're losing weight so that you'll have the knowledge afterwards in keeping that weight off.
So I'm losing weight naturally, and I am proud of that. I am changing my lifestyle and my life. My mom has been on ozempic for 2 years, and she tried to get me to get on it, too. I said no and that I knew I could lose weight by myself if I tried. And 7 months ago, I started doing that. I am happy that I didn't go through extreme measures to lose weight. I worked on my mental health, and when I felt ready, I started my weight loss journey.
Using words like extreme measures like isn’t really the best call here
Some drinkers can quit naturally, others need AA. Some obese people can just quit the junk and exercise ie natural, others have addictions that make it nearly impossible. I don’t know why people get hung up on what others do. Do we look down on alcoholics for going to AA and not just quitting “naturally”? No
There are many ways to lose weight currently. Each person is unique in their health and what works for them. I have tried to lose weight naturally, didn't work for me. I tried taking Ozempic, it made me so sick I was in the hospital. Due to other medical issues I have, gastric bypass has been the most effective tool. I still need to eat proper nutrition and exercise and strength train. I think that by saying you lost weight naturally, is just stating how you have lost weight. I'm not offended in you saying it that way. It was and is what works for you. Ozempic works well for some people and weightloss surgery works for other people. Regardless of how you get the weight off, each way is hard work in order to keep fit and healthy. Cheers John, and thank you for your videos. 😊
I was for ozempic helping people lose weight until my diabetic roommate explained why its so bad for non diabetic people taking it.
Basically it affects your blood sugar and i want to say insulin (please correct me if im wrong) and basically its not supposed to make you sick IF your diabetic. Its designed for abnormal blood sugar and insulin to help regulate it, and if you dont have those issues it will make you horribly sick, meaning you arent supposed to take it.
The other reason being non-diabetic people taking it is making it harder for diabetic people to get the meds they need to save their lives.
ETA: (as stated in reply) To everyone who corrected me: thanks for humbling me and teaching me valuable information. I'll be sure to share with my roommate more on this and be mindful to do more research before leaving comments with misinformation next time.
It's for type 2 diabetes, which is usually caused by weight gain. I don't see how overweight people are "taking" it from diabetics. It will prevent type 2 diabetes.
I don't have Type 2 but was considered pre diabetic at one time. My glucose is now low and normal, and for me it's preventing me from getting diabetes 🤷🏽♀️
Is your diabetic roommate a doctor? It seems like he may be misinformed or confused about what GLP 1 medications do.
This is such a vastly misinformed opinion on the pharmacology of GLP-1s. It's really irresponsible actually. Also interesting that you cast Ozempic as a "life saving" medication when there are nearly a dozen GLP-1s on the market -- O just became popular because of its marketing campaign (as opposed to Victoza, Rybelsus, Trulicity, Byetta etc). Followed by semaglutide being the first FDA approved GLP-1 for weight loss (rebranded as Wegovy). Followed by Zepbound (aka tirzepatide). Watch, within a few years, we will likely see rezatriptide too.
I was thinking about it for myself but my doctor talked me out of it and Looking back I’m glad lol
A childhood friend of mine lost weight with surgery twice and got lose skin removal. She lost over 100 pounds. She gained her weight back within a year. Of her last surgery. I lost mine naturally and I've kept the weight off for 4-5 years.
I personally feel like the hard work of doing it naturally leaves a bigger impact.
The only thing that matters is caring for yourself and doing what's best for your health. Show up for yourself. 🙏
It's very polarizing and controversial. On one hand, I get it. People who try and fail to lose weight just want a path to success. Regardless of their reasons for wanting to lose weight.
I do think MOST people can actually lose the weight "naturally". I understand it's your choice on how you want to live or do things. Just again, an opinion. People can lose weight through caloric restriction and increased activity levels (with major emphasis on caloric restriction).
As someone who's been very overweight most of my adult life, I can hands down tell you I know WHY. I've been less physically active than I should be AND I realllly make poor food choices and overeat. It's as simple as that. When I challenge myself to make better food choices, and to be cognizant of the AMOUNT of food I take in... my weight generally trends downward very nicely. I've lost as much as 50 pounds in 4 months with moderate restrictions (still eating pizza, cake, ice cream.... except reasonable portions). I didn't exercise AT ALL.
If you want to use a weight loss drug, fine. If you want surgery. Fine. But just as alllll those people exist who get miffed at the "natural weight loss" call out, we get miffed too like explained in the video when you pose it as those who manage to do it naturally are just lucky. Luck has zero to do with it. Consistency. Dedicated. Discipline. Hard work. Motivation. THOSE are the things that make it possible.
The whole "only 5% keep it off long term" crowd fail to realize that while yes statistically odds aren't super good for long term keeping the weight off... the REASON why that's true. It's true not because it isn't sustainable, or because people need to have some lucky combination of characteristics.... it's true because people tend to go back to their old ways. I bounced between 310 and 330 for many, many years. Why? Because I'd settled in (unknowingly and unintentionally) on a calorie range and general activity level. That organically over time led me to the point that my body leveled off in terms of weight gain. I wasn't eating "enough" to gain any more than that. But I was still very unhealthy and way overeating. 2800 calories a day isn't seriously bad. But at my age / height / activity level... that lead to 330 pounds. Even just cutting to 1800 calories a day would be enough to lose tons of weight over time. People gain the weight back because they don't do something reasonable once they hit their goals. If I reach my goal weight, and then go back to 2800 calories.... without seriously changing my activity level... I'll start gaining the weight all back. Just common sense.
I lost so much weight on my own, no surgery or pills/injections. Today I finally got under 100 kilo's (lost more than 120 kilo's) and I will go on. For me it worked, naturally, no things helping me. But I know not everyone can do that, that they have tried so much already. I do not regard it as cheating when they choose to have an operation or medication to lose weight, since using those things they commit to this for the rest of their life. The most important thing is that they lose what they want to lose and feel good in their skin and feel better
As long as you reach your goal in a healthy manner and can keep it off who cares what route you take. Nobody is better than anyone else and nobody is less than anyone else
I've lost 248 lbs by all the ways...naturally, 2 weight loss surgeries, trying all the semaglutides and 4 skin removal surgeries.
And I'm still 203 lbs and seen as fat. I don't care how I lost the weight. I'm 46, a powerlifter, and told I'm in the best shape of my life by my Dr (just yesterday). And I'm still alive. I started my journey on July 27, 2013.
Do whatever you want to do to lose the weight!
AND I have PCOS, lipedema and lymphodema...so all the things people say prevent them from losing weight. I have all the "excuses" to stay fat. I've also had no adverse reactions to any of the things I've tried either. It's been an arduous ride over the last decade BUT soooo worth it!
John, you're not shaming but others out there have shamed people. But as a GenXer...I don't get my feelings hurt by words or hot takes by internet strangers.
There's something truly pathetic about someone so ashamed of how they lost weight that they attack anyone who says they lost weight another way. These people need to get their issues treated.
the only problem i have is with people who know the risks (or know there is risks, and do not even try to look into them) and just take it haphazardly without doing the work, treating it just like another fad diet trend. in that same vein, I have a big issue with doctors that just recommend it also haphazardly without informing, giving other options, etc. I left my endocrinologist because of this - i don't mind it being prescribed, but she threw it at me with no information, and when i brought it up, she dismissed it and basically said she wouldn't really see me till i did it. I don't think i'm alone in this experience, and im terrified that others may not see that or be informed as i happened to be, and be stuck in something that could ruin them.
The way that I see it, lile yiu said, every weight loss method has its own struggles and battles in the process, none of them sre the "easy" way out. For people who cant lose weight easily through straight CICO, glp1 meds can help them manage their CICO to a level that helps them lose weight, which makes it easier in that specific department, but comes with its own issues in terms of side effects and other lifestyle impacts. Its not the easy way out, its just about finding a method that has hurdles that you are capable of overcoming instead of using a method that is, for you, insurmountable. I lost weight and kept it off through straight CICO. My mother lost weight and kept it off through keto. My uncle lost weight and kept it off through bariatric surgery. Its all about picking your battles!
There exist several mutations on different genes that effect the feeling of hunger. If Ozempic helps - that‘s great (as long as there is enough for people with diabetes).
And WLS seems definitely not to be the „easy way“! You have to change your whole lifestyle - for the rest of your life. I‘m relieved I can lose weight without medical help… But if people need it, it‘s great that they‘ll do it!!!
Who are we to criticize other peoples decisions - especially if they don‘t effect me personally?
I lost half my weight naturally but im using ozempic now sice i had stopped loosing and the dr recommended trying it to get the rest of the weight off and yes i was strictly dieting and exercising before and still am
Can you make a video about "ozempic face" ? If that is even a thing. I just heard about that.
I have lost 150lbs naturally over the course of several years and since kept it off even lost what i gained during pregnancy. Its a lifestyle. Its a choice. I have friends that went the surgery way and i never ever shame them! Because i know how much wieghtloss can affect your life. I always support any health journey i hear about. 💯 its hard no matter what. But so worth it.
If you smoke and use nicorette or lozengers to help quit are you cheating??? And what about the new free spray being given out to counteract an opioid overdose for illegal drugs (I'm talking abot the people who know they are taking illegal drugs, not being given them unkowingly) instead of pushing people to stop using illegal drugs?????
The issue is the word "NATURAL" it's a superiority complex. What lies underneath that is the assumption that life SHOULD be natural. As women we hear that word pertaining to makeup, hair textures, surgery...etc. CHANGE THE WORDING. Cos every way people lose weight, if its healthy its valid. Say that you lost weight HARDER or ON YOUR OWN. Cos that's a fact. The way both you and Josh lost weight is harder.
I agree with you, I don’t understand why people get so upset with the way they loose weight. At least it’s gone, that’s the main thing to be celebrated.
It sounds the same as when someone says "I gave birth naturally". Like... You gave birth. Sounds pretty natural to me. That's how I feel about the weight loss thing too 🤷🏾♀️ as someone who has lost 50lbs through diet and exercise alone, been on all the GLP medications (for diabetes) and getting my VSG surgery in less than 2 weeks, I completely get what you mean. I just see it as a win is a win. The meds and surgeries aren't perfect solutions by any means.
If you are bragging or implying that c section doesn't make you a mother, yes, what the heck is wrong with you? But if you are sharing your personal experience for example with the pain it came with, well your experience it's valid and deserves to be shared
@@loiracitr I don't have kids. There's no bragging. It's just an analogy. So many people I've heard personally say that to me are mothers and it saddenes me to hear them say they didn't give birth naturally because they had a C-section. I disagree with that thought process. So chill
@@ChokolateFace I'm not talking directly to you. I am saying that if you experience natural childbirth you are free to share your experience, but don't need to invalidate others
@@loiracitr everything said "you" and not they or them, so I assumed it was directed towards me. Either way, I'm just saying i consider this argument to be the same as losing weight naturally. I feel like my original message is getting lost in the example I used. So weight was still lost and that's all that matters in the end.
Why have the surgery when I could have just lost weight on my own?
Mind you I am a special case.
I've had severe eating disorders. I can't count calories because I'm straight down the rabbit hole.
I'm also prediabetic and getting worse, and absolutely can't tolerate those medications. I reacted to the lowest dose of metformin like people having the worst reaction to ozymbic (however it's spelled lol)
I had the surgery, and in my dysmorphic mind, I can't "see" myself losing weight. Even though with the interventions I've had to get my prediabetes under control and not ramp up my eating disorders I've already lost 40 pounds. Natutally.
But I'm on the razor's edge. So my doctor suggested the surgery so I could "diet" without counting calories, basically ignoring that part, and get my insulin under control.
I mean it when I say I don't think surgery will affect my weight. I mean it when I dismiss the 40 pound loss as a faulty scale. I won't be going anywhere near scales. "Losing weight" is mot an issue at all. It's getting my blood sugar at a healthy level that matters.
Again odd case. But you asked why anyone would do it other than yo lose weight - here's your answer.
And yes I'll be in therapy because people "noticing" will make my skin crawl. That's something I'll have to deal with in order to be healthy.
as a bari girl, down 120lbs and maintaining that for almost two years, i just find you incredibly motivating. bariatric surgery was a great tool to aid my weightloss, but i wouldnt be where i am today if is didnt switch up my lifestyle and start eating "healthier" and adding more movement into my everyday life, ie the things that "natural losers" do to lose weight.
Wow you sound really insecure and self conscious about getting the surgery. Sorry your so bitter that some people naturally have more willpower than you and can lose weight and keep it off without surgery.
This sounds like people are looking for things to be upset about.