Why Qui-Gon Jinn was the ONLY Perfect Master for Anakin Skywalker - Star Wars Explained
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Long story short: He needed a father, not a brother.
A father figure who cared about him too, not 1 who groomed him. 😑
(Cough) Palpetine!
Yeah, but I wasn't acknowledging him as a father figure.@@EAWanderer
Agreed
But but in Episode 2: “you are the closest thing I have to a father. “ underneath his breath: “since you let my adoptive father die to a Sith”
@@EAWandererso Palps is a P*do? I mean, young Maul, 9 year old Anakin…
If qui gonn had survived I wonder if dooku would have become a sith, as his death was something that helped push him over the edge. Qui gonn’s death was a pivotal moment for many characters, not just anakin.
Yes true, i believe dooku would of still been on the edge, he was very reserved and experienced. i believe if Palpatine couldn't turn him then he would of killed him.
@cschwacofer yes, I remember similar to you. I do believe maul killing qui gon was the final catalyst
In legends probably, quigons death was the last straw and dooku initially went on a revenge trip before becoming Palpatines new apprentice.
In Disney probably not, dooku was already working against the Jedi before Quigon died.
I'm pretty sure it was mentioned that Dooku wouldn't have fallen if Qui Gon was still alive. Dooku even mentions somewhere after he changed over that Qui Gon was extremely important to him. I forget where it's mentioned but I do know that Qui Gon's value to Dooku was at least on par with how Yoda viewed Dooku in the lore.
@@AsreiMurasame I remember that too
Thanks for having me on again, Stupendous Wave! Can’t wait for the next one!
I really enjoyed this man. Hope you guys do it again soon
Oh and his lover was named Tahl
@@SkinnyEatWorld95 that’s what it was! Thank you!
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One of the main things about Anakin was his upbringing that Qui-Gon would have to help undo. He always had that slave/master outlook on life, and in many ways, he was still a slave even after Qui-Gon got him out of slavery. He was a slave to the Jedi and one as a Sith. He was never truly free being either. For Anakin, masters have all the power. They've always had the power. Obi-Wan, Mace Windu, Yoda, Darth Sidious - all of them Masters. And for Anakin, the acquisition of power leads to one being a Master.
For Anakin, power is something that makes one a master. And for slaves, they have none. So that means a lot to someone like Anakin.
This hits hard considering that the Jedi order allowed him a seat on the council, but denied him the rank of 'master'.
I know they probably weren't, but I almost feel like they were just messing with him sometimes... Trying to teach the wrong lessons
I understand why Anakin wanted to be a master and why he felt he deserved the rank but Anakin had emotional control issues. Was it entirely his fault? No. He needed a master who had his best interest at heart and can teach him to regulate his emotions. Obi Wan was a good teacher but he had his flaws.
@@Vietmac1993 obi-wan was just an obedient slave to the jedi, as far as role models go you really can't pick anyone better, thats why obi-wan was allowed to train anakin after qui-gon died. and that wouldnt have happened unless obi-wan had defeated darth maul after he killed qui-gon because qui-gon wouldve gotten the praise, had he lived.
obi-wan was a good teacher but the jedi had their flaws. is a better way of saying this.
My opinion? nothing would be different had anakin been raised by qui-gon instead, because the force chose him, his destiny was set. He had power, what he never had was respect.
Anakin would podrace to cure his boredom, he wasn't seeking power, he had that.
Anakin built machines that had personalities when he was a child, he was a master already.
He wanted support and friends, not fathers, trying to force him into a box they think he can fit into, brothers, that tried so hard to compete, yet failed. and ended up envying him. so much they refused to honor him and give him the rank of master, their envy was their downfall.
he needed fans. not a family. he needed to know that the people around him were the ones he needed to save, because he couldnt tell the difference between those that wanted to help him and those who just wanted to manipulate him. and thats why he liked sideous, because sideous was anakins only real friend. fan, whatever.
anakin received so much negativity from the jedi that he couldnt tell the difference between them and the sith, let that sink in.
why would anything be different had anakin been a sith? he wouldve been raised the same, grew up hating them for how they treated him, and a different set of younglings woulda gotten the lightsaber.
the only reason you care is because you've been cultured into believing that the jedi order was without blemish.
@@ValkyricValfrious Palpatine wasn't no friend! He IS the master manipulator. Anakin wasn't very bright: u never posta trust asskissers for they all have an agenda and don't really care about you and their compliments they don't really mean them.
A real father figure would have broken the idea of master/slave dichotomy that was the only way Anakin had ever known
Qui-Gonn once Anakin had the dream about his mother would have been told right away, he would have taken Anakin to Tattooine got his mother, and Anakin would have been happy. Also, he would have allowed Anakin to have some fun with Padme. He did with Kenobi, and Satine. He just would have let Anakin know he has a choice, marriage or the order. And he would have explained the consequences of attachments
More long form please!!!!🙏 🎉
@@dylantorres2496 huh. Did I insult or offend? Or are you insulting me? What is long form?
@@peterversionone ?? Insult? I like the longer conversational style video. Definitely no insult intended.
@@peterversionone "Long Form" describes a format of presenting information. It's the difference between longer, more conversational/discussion videos or short/brief instructional videos.
I don't know why Dylan here said that as if to you though. I can see how if you didn't know what Long Form meant that you might be confused.
@@peterversionone How did you find his reply insulting or offending? He was praising you
If Anakin cares about family so much he should have left the jedi and joined up with the fast and furious crew. They are all about the family. 😂
Vin Diesel as Darth Bane would honestly be pretty awesome. Maybe some day it could happen?
If Qui-Gon lived then I think it's clear that Anakin never falls to the Darkside, and the plans of the Sith fail ultimately. Remember Dooku doesn't become Sidious's apprentice until after Qui-Gon is killed, so Dooku wouldn't fall either. I think it would be most likely that what would happen is Sidious continues his plan as normal, sans an apprentice. Qui-Gon, Anakin, and Dooku all leave the Order and create a new schism in the Order, it now becomes a three way playing board.
Ig in that case it wouldn’t be chess anymore, it’d be a high stakes game of poker, no one party revealing their hand until the perfect opportunity
So yall just gone leave Obi-Wan out huh?
@@elyacaphbenyisrael2506 he’s not super relevant to my comment but his part would be in remaining in the Jedi Order. He would be acting as a Jedi Knight following the Living Force as its servant.
I’m glad someone pointed this out because it was overlooked. I think without Qui Gon’s death, it would be far less likely for Dooku to turn to the dark side.
@@iambme9265 given the information from Tales of The Jedi it’s clear that Dooku had a lure to the dark side. But I think if Qui-Gon had lived and left the order with Anakin Dooku would have joined them. Anakin under their guidance would achieve the full potential of the chosen one and bring balance to the galaxy by rejecting the old Jedi order and destroying the Sith.
We need more videos like this, the chilled out format is great
Wow this was a banger. The more I learn about Qui Gon the more I love him.
I am glad this conversation has been had.. I came to this realization a couple years ago, that Qui Gon Jinn is the greatest “Jedi” ever. And I highlight Jedi because as you considered and spoke on, Qui Gon leaving the order. The Jedi Order exists, and operates at it’s peak during a time in the universe when there is Slavery still, and as an order that had an influence and the capability to impact the direction of the empirical structure and it’s politics; they were allowing that to happen to other living beings throughout various parts of the universe. And here Qui Gon Jinn freed a child slave, and did so when Obi Wan didn’t agree to the idea and Queen Amedala, who was currently in a fight for her planet to be saved from oppression by the trade federation, she didn’t even like the idea initially… Qui Gon has a moral compass that naturally won’t always agree with an orders set of rules and laws, he lives and operates within his limited abilities, he can’t save everyone, he does have to live in that reality. But when the opportunity to save a child and free him from slavery, he did it despite nobody else supporting his decision.. Qui Gon’s act of freeing this child, imbedded into that child the belief that one day, he will free all slaves!
And in closing as to why he’s the greatest… he achieved spiritual manifestation and the ability to communicate from the afterlife and taught it to yoda and was passed on to obi wan. HE TAUGHT YODA!!!
I agree. You put forth good evidence because these laws they have today in THIS world help keep the world in evil. It's a shame that today you can go to prison for doing the RIGHT thing. Or even get executed based off of the RIGHT thing you did.
In my opinion, Qui Gonn Jinn was 1 of Liam Neeson's best character roles after Ra's Al Ghul
(Batman Begins - 2005)
As short as it was, I agree
Don’t forget Aslan from the Narnia trilogy.
Also young Liam played in Excalibur !!!
@@legomaster2538
Yes, that too
And Oskar Schindler
Love these free flowing discussions
If Qui Gon had survived, in all likelihood, being so much more attuned to the will and messages from the Force, he would have paid attention to Anakin's dreams of his mother, preventing the loss that made Anakin so vulnerable to Palpatines influence. Dooku also may not have fallen to the dark side with his trusted former Padawan as an advisor.
Your wrong I believe in saying that Shmi would die anyways. Qui Gon promised to come back for her. If he had lived he would have fulfilled that promise and set her up somewhere safe.
Thought I was only one who remembered he actually cared about people too not just the will of the force
"There's always a bigger FISH 🐟"
This conversation is incredible! One of the best RUclips videos I’ve ever watched.
Thank you!!!!
"Your Swords Please, We Don't Want to Make A Mess Of Things Infont Of The Chancellor"
There's a deleted scene that beautifully represents why quigon would've been better, Anakin was fighting a young greedo because of words an temper, Quigon stops the fight an doesn't deny him his emotions but shows him the circumstances of that.
I love listening to the two of you bouncing your ideas and theories. You two had different opinions but we're open to hearing one another and that's great to me ☺️
This was a great in-depth look into Qui-Gon. A character that I have great admiration for. The ultimate Mentor character. Just like Iroh from Avatar the Last Airbender.
I have always thought that Anakin would've been blue in the beginning. Following this it would go red, green or blue every once in a while when Anakin tapped into the different sides of the force. First time any jedi doesn't have a solid color. And to finish it off, it would turn permanently white because Anakin has found true balance with the force. Goes down as the only force user to have a white lightsaber.
His face would constantly change in the beginning and then be perfectly calm at the end. Shows the stages the choosen one had to endure. Even the crystals changed since the force itself fells the drastic changes in the force
I'd like to say that Obi-Wan's line to Anakin saying you were like a brother to me is exactly where he failed Anakin He was like an older brother raising his younger brother when one Anakin needed was a father.
Luke and Leah were both super lucky that they had proper parental surrogates
I will add that obi wan is a by the book guy while quigon is a maverick.
@@paulrasmussen8953it's actually little deeper than that: Qui Gon is actually the one by the "book" he is lead exclusively by the force(which I thought that's what the jedi was postabe all about). Whereas Obi-Wan just went along with the teachings of the jedi order AFTER his Teacher died, who where TRULY mavericks because they weren't FULLY submissive to the will of the force( and did what THEY thought was right instead of what the FORCE wanted); and only Portrayed themselves to be because that was the TRADITION of the jedi counsel taught for generation. Obi-Wan STILL didn't learn everything his MASTER had to teach him so he couldn't fully past that down to slow in the brain Ani-boy.
@elyacaphbenyisrael2506 no by the book vs instinct. Ginn followed instinct via the will of the force. The order is on on what it written. Dogma vs belief
If he was trained by daddy Qui-gon I think he would have had a yellow lightsaber
I am absolutely loving these discussion videos
I love hearing him j with thoughts off the top of his head. I love ur regular vidoes 100% but to hear u j talk about it is so cool!
Great video podcast.
I thoroughly enjoyed listening to you both. It's a joy to hear intelligent, level-headed, insightful men having a deep conversation about Star Wars.
Your insights are needful. Very necessary to analyse and discuss alternating perceptions of the psychological, emotional and sociological aspects about the characters.
It expands so much more about the lore, and gives us extra incentive to rewatch the films with new eyes and things in mind.
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If not Qui Gon training Anakin then it needed to be somebody similar to him like Quin Lan Vos etc in my opinion.
Anakin needed to be in a Jedi core that specialised in getting your hands dirty , being active & doing things under your own judgment how you see fit within reason ✅.
Anakin needed a father figure , mutual respect professionally ✊🏾, acknowledgement for his accomplishments , Human to human understanding & so on.
I can see Anakin being a good Jedi sentinel or someone who worked in the undercover workings intelligence setting.
No regular Jedi guardian training for him he needs things more tailored to him.
I can't stop watching this
I think when faced with the threat of the sith, they would take the "chosen one" in for sure. They wouldn't allow the enemy to have a chance to get him
Love these style videos. Please keep doing them.
great discussion. thank you both!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I really enjoyed the content of this video thanks for your insights also love how long it was
Glad you enjoyed it!
Qui Gon Jinn's lover was named Tahl
I love these longer form topic videos
I think dooku could have returned to the light, but I think it would only be easy for him if qui gon survived. Dooku would test his old apprentice and see that they are near equals. Dooku with better blade combat and qui gon with a more thorough understanding of the force
This was a great listen, you both have fantastic insights into the Star Wars lore and the personalities of the various characters and their desires, mannerisms, etc. I agree with most points. 👍🏼
I just love when you guys do this. Thanks
More videos like this please ❤❤❤
Obi Wan and Anakin were such a fantastic duo that there was some level of celebrity with them. I also cannot emphasize enough an older brother relationship is just not the same as a father despite the fact that Obi Wan was one of the greatest Jedi. Such a great but sad story. I do like QGJ but Obi Wan is my favorite Jedi.
I like to imagine that Anakin and ObiWan would still develop their strong brotherly bond and partnership but it would be even stronger without the strain of ObiWan trying to overcompensate for the responsibility he was given at such a young age by being a disciplinarian.
This is my favorite video on your channel more like this please ❤❤❤❤
Loving these talks!!
This is very nice. I think Anakin would became Grandmaster. I think he wouldn't be so arrogant if Qui-Gon was his master,that's why Dooku hated him so much. They were so alike. Anakin would completely control his emotions. He would completely destroy the Sith. Obi-Wan was a brother,Qui-Gon was a father Anakin needed. Duel of the Fates on Naboo. This is over thousand times said. Really long video😀May the Force be with you too. Have amazing day too😀
Not while yoda was around, and I don't think yoda would have died of old age before anakin.
@@EliasWindrider now you mention it
qui gonn's faith in the will of the force and emotional acuity to balance his emotions with that would have been able to teach that emotional balance to anakin, who's tragic flaw is the inability to understand, digest, and temper his anger or any of his other emotions. he also sought power for his own gain, but seeking that power was driven by his frustration with his life in the jedi order. And his teachings in the order was to not feel, to disassociate from his feelings. i feel him continuing to struggle with putting his anger to a greater purpose instead of getting quagmired in it while he is darth vader is evidence of that. qui gonn demonstrates with his other beliefs that he doesn't just reject his feelings to achieve a quiet mind but instead balances himself and that is what anakin was sorely missing both in his training and in his life. however i don't believe anakin would have been accepted into the order without qui gonn dieing and i believe qui gonn would leave the order to train anakin since he's so adamant that it needs to happen. But since the will of the force requires balance and his death is what unbalances the force the most (originally), its possible he dies somewhere else or someone else dies instead, like maybe kenobi. or maybe qui gonn sees the evil in palpatine early, kills him, and causes the war through the force being unbalanced that way.
Another W video! I love these!
Love this series guys. Keep em coming. Would also love to see the plot points you covered in your convo as an animated movie, like in a Marvel What If…? style.
I'm pretty sure Thor Skywalker did this exact what if
I think that anakin's lightsaber crystal will probably be yellow like that of the jedi sentinels. As the jedi sentinel class incorporates many aspects of both the jedi guardian and the jedi Councillor class. The jedi sentinels also have multiple skills sets that are uniquely there own. That are taught to no other class of jedi. Then as anakin matures he will probably go on to incorporate the skill sets of the jedi shadows. It is then at this time that anakin will obtain a purple lightsaber crystal allowing for anakin to potentially master duel wielding with both yellow and purple lightsabers.
I enjoy these discussion videos. Hopefully there's more on the way
Had Qui-Gon trained Anakin, Anakin never would have gone back to Tatooine without a master at his side. Qui-Gon wouldn't have dismissed his force visions like Obi-Wan did, and Anakin wouldn't have slaughtered the Tuskens. He would have gotten a brief taste of the dark side, but Qui-Gon would have been able to guide him through it before it became homicidal rage.
Love these styles of video
Qui-Gon was more of a teacher than a doer. Obi-Wan was the opposite, and so was Anakin. A doer can't teach a doer. Not all Jedi should become masters.
Jinn would've been a phenomenal teacher to Anakin. Had he not died to Maul, I'm not 100% certain Dooku would've turned to the Sith. He very well may have still left the order, but I'm not certain he'd still go down that dark path. It feels like Jinn's death, and how the Jedi council mismanaged the circumstances surrounding Jinn's death, pushed Dooku over the edge to the dark side.
Honestly, Dooku being present as an occasional guide/mentor/teacher also probably would've benefited Anakin.
Which honestly I also kinda think that Dooku, Jinn and Anakin might very well have bailed on the order to follow the force and not the inflated, susceptible to corruption and manipulation version of the Jedi order that existed during the prequel Era.
In current canon according to Tales of the Jedi it seems like Dooku was already working with Sidious prior to Qui-Gon’s death, which does make sense according to the timeline and when Dooku and Sidious would have had to have commissioned the clones. In that sense Dooku still was likely already too far gone, the events seen in Tales of the Jedi episode 4 would still have happened and Dooku would kill Yaddle and breach the point of no return.
in terms of lightsaber color i think Anakin would have a green lightsaber when he first starts out then goes to an ocean green when he gets knighted then when he turns into a master his lightsaber is ocean green but with a purplish tint to it
If Qui-Gon survives, I think there are major changes in the series of events throughout the prequel era. I feel like the council’s decision to allow Qui-Gon to train Anakin could really go either way but I am more partial to the idea that they’re too stubborn to allow it, thus forcing Qui-Gon to make the decision to leave the Jedi order. I also think once he does leave with Anakin, one of the first things he does is buy out or just straight up take Shmi away from Tattooine by force. He wouldn’t leave something so important to Anakin unresolved like that. Dooku probably wouldn’t have turned to the dark side and instead I think he would have aided Qui-Gon in a financial manner to travel and aid anyone in the galaxy who needed it while he was training Anakin. And I think it would be safe to say that Dooku also doesn’t start moving politically to start the CIS, instead I feel like Plageus would have more of a hand in that being on the IBC board. And I also feel like the commission of the clone army would be something Palpatine would be more directly involved with. That would tie both of the Sith more directly to their shady dealings and it would be a lot easier to link them to that conspiracy to orchestrate a war. It’s also feasible that they don’t have the ability to get the war off the ground and instead opt for a military coup in some way involving the clone army. Ultimately I don’t see Anakin falling to the dark side and he would be able to reach his fullest potential. I think Qui-Gon would probably accidentally create a new sect of the Jedi as well.
Anakin never tried to upstage but to be accepted.
These are great keep going !
If Qui-gon had survived and become Anakin's master, he may have traveled to Tatooine with Anakin to check on Shmi. Maybe?
Lightsaber answer: he was supposed to be the chosen one and bring balance to the force, destroying the sith is not balanced, so I thing if he had a perfect balance between the light and dark, he would have purple, or even a natural white devoid of color and influence outside the force.
30:42 In my eyes, I think Anakin's crystal would have been Cyan. He was always going to move towards the role of Guardian, but as Qui-Gon's apprentice he would become more like a Counsulor. While they are Legends concepts and terms, the crystal colors still have meanings reflecting them. And that is why I see a Cyan or even Aquamarine crystal. Anakin would be between the two primary branches of Jedi Knight, in harmony with the Force and his Destiny as the Chosen one to protect
On the Tuscans incident: I feel the biggest point was, the fact that Anakin Didn’t tell Obi-wan, he instead told and confides in Palpatine(his true master) instead of who was supposed to be his master(Obi-Wan). He absolutely would have told Qui-gon, And Qui-Gon would have gotten him to come to terms with what he did in a more appropriate way and then learn from it.
I think there is a case that y'all didn't consider is that dooku may have never joined sidious if qui gon was still alive.
A ‘Star Wars What If?’ series would be so interesting with all these theories on various RUclips channels. This is a perfect example. Simply:
“What If Qui-Gon survived?”
I don't think Anakin would have spent nearly as much time with Palpatine if Jinn was his master.
I think Qui-Gon Jinn was the father that Anakin needed. Your video was vary thought provoking and I can't wait for more videos like this.
I just wanted to share one of my thoughts of many. 😅 I'm glad yall made this video! I had been thinking about this a lot lately!
I feel like if Qui Gon were to have been around, he also wouldn't have let Palpatine manipulate Anakin as much throughout his life either. They both may have just left the order with it becoming so political and Qui Gon would have trained Anakin in the old ways away from the order. Also, with Qui Gon being so much more in tune with the force and their will and balance, I feel like he may have even been able to sense the threat of Sidious (him and obi wan do both say they feel a disturbance in the force in episode 1 when they go to meet with the trade federation and they are told to kill the jedi by Sidious) that the rest of them didn't as a result of the war... Considering the rush in finding and training padawans just to become soldiers instead of peace keepers fulfilling the will of the force as knights and everything else he would've seen past everything as he discovered the cosmic force before even yoda knew.
I'd started typing this before I got to the end of your video but I'm just gonna post it anyway 😂
Yall are right it would have changed everything and we just gotta love the art that Lucas gave us ❤
this is kinda where you reach the perfect balance of conservatism and liberalism. adherence to the important lasting values while not living in the stone ages, while also adjusting to an ever changing world and having restrained progressiveness.
Can you imagine if he still fell to the dark side thougg? 5he depth of his powers if he could have murdered his own father figure? The level of rage that would be required to even concieve of the thought?
In all honesty, Qui-Gon Jinn is in my humble opinion one of the best jedi and one of the rare who truly incarnate what Jedis are meant to be.
I am pretty sure it is a popular opinion.
How much respectfully disagree with you. I don't believe that Anakin slaughter's the whole tribe of tuscans because I don't believe that his mother is killed by them. As a follower of the living Force I don't believe that Qui-Gon jinn ignores Anakin's visions. Obi-Wan ignored those visions and by the time Anakin was able to act upon them it was too late for his mother. I believe that Qui-Gon jinn and Anakin act upon those visions and get to me before she dies. Because Qui-Gon does not die I don't believe the Dooku ever leaves the Jedi Order let alone becomes a sith. Qui-Gon Jim's death what is one of the things that made Dooki finally quit the order. Because Qui-Gon didn't die I don't believe that's Dooku left the order. Even if dooku did leave the order I don't believe he could make himself kill Qui-Gon jinn in a lightsaber duel.
I still think Anakin’s lightsaber would’ve turned out purple if he had been trained under Qui Gon which is appropriate since he was the Chosen One and purple represents the balance between light and dark blue mixed with red
Anakin would’ve had a white saber symbolizing balance and neutrality within the force.
Anakins saber as he turns Into Master Anakin with quigon after the twins are born... Yellow 😶 just like Reys which is my favorite scene of the sequel 😒 but yea a sentinel thenn he gets a purple one
I enjoyed this through analysis of both Obi Wan and Anakin being victims of the path they had to take when Qui Gon died. I also like to believe that it was because of these experience of both being an inexperienced teacher and of watching Order 66 unfold before him, Obi Wan was the perfect teacher for Luke Skywalker in the original trilogy.
I think if Anakin would have been the padwan of Qui-Gon then Qui-Gon would have listened to him when he had visions about Shmi and he would have helped him to save her. If Qui-Gon had not die then Dooku wouldn't have turned to the dark side either.
39:16 I say that they would have left before the clone wars, trained, were nomadic warriors but more from the shadows and from the small saber clashes. Then the small findings that lead them to a meeting to the Sith.
Qui-Gon would have taught Anakin all about the importance of attachments and love. He would also give Anakin his blessing to marry Padme as he would believe that it is will of the Force for Anakin the Chosen One to experience the good and light that comes with unconditional love.
When you guys are talking about how out of all people Anakin trusted Padme the most when he killed the Tusken raiders. Well actually in the revenge of the sith book Sidious brings up to Anakin that there are secrets Anakin tells him that no one else knows, Anakin even went into more detail about the slaughter to Sidious.
I have to disagree with Qui Gon being the ONLY Jedi master that could’ve done well training Anakin. He was probably the best fit but I believe Plo Koon and Mace Windu would’ve been good masters for Anakin, both for different reasons (Would say Yoda but Dooku like Anakin was very rebellious and idealistic as a Jedi and Yoda failed Dooku as his master, which makes me think he might’ve failed Anakin the same way).
Plo Koon like Qui Gon could’ve definitely been the father figure Anakin needed, and as well as that his compassion for all life and his great leadership skills would’ve rubbed off well on Anakin, I also believe Plo likely would’ve listened to Anakin if he voiced concerns about the order as Plo wasn’t super dogmatic to the order and thought differently to many Jedi. Plus even after Anakin’s knighting Plo would’ve maintained a strong bond with Anakin through both him and Ashoka who saw Plo along with Obi Wan as somewhat of her other masters. Not forgetting of course Plo could’ve taught Anakin the obscure force power electric judgement.
Mace Windu on the other hand might’ve been very strict to the code but he also could’ve served well as a father figure to Anakin all be it a very strict one, and in my opinion Mace could’ve honed Anakin’s power level to that beyond what any other Jedi master could due to Mace’s ability to control his inner darkness whilst staying grounded in the light, something he and Anakin shared. Anakin would’ve definitely been a lot more dogmatic and less likely to rebel against the council (Even though I feel a small part of that just is Anakin), but he would’ve been a much more emotionally stable Jedi and probably wouldn’t have fallen to the darkside, not to mention Anakin using Vapaad as well as him possibly still choosing to adopt Djem So into his fighting style and it would’ve made him a ridiculously overpowered duellist as well as much stronger in the force than we ever saw especially if Mace was able to teach Anakin how to use shatterpoint. He definitely would’ve been a different type of Jedi under Mace than we’re used to seeing but also a good one.
There’s no debate that Qui Gon was the key and answer to everything Yoda may have been the most powerful Jedi but Qui Gon was the Grandmaster the light side order needed and was all the more wiser than Yoda ever was from start to finish
Thats why he wasn't the jedi grandmaster, you misunderstand the dichotomy of light and dark. anakin was to bring balance to the force in a world where the jedi ruled the galaxy. the light side was in power. when there's too much light a speck of darkness feels more like a torch illuminating a dark cavern.
It’s not family it’s selfishness, not one of those folks Anakin wanted the power to save would’ve wanted what he ended up doing, they told him to his face on many occasions Anakin didn’t wanna hear it he wanted what HE wanted. That’s selfishness. Folks believe the grass is always greener on the other side but it’s not always.
I think Mace and Plo-Kloon would've best the after Qui-Gon. Plo Kloon wouldve cared about Anakin. Mace would've shown Anakin how to work with the dark side and use it for positive. Mace wouldve shown Anakin how to use the dark side and come out okay and fall to it
I think anakins need and desire for power is based in trauma, his need to protect and save those he lo es stems from losing qui gon and seeing that even tho hes special and supposedly such immense power that he was totally powerless to save or even help qui gon, if qui gon hadnt died this deep lust for power may have never manifested or at least manifested later and in a totally different way
The Chosen One isn't the one who is chosen by some outside force. They are the one who makes a hard choice. It doesn't matter what choice they make, only that they chose. And it's that choice which sends a ripples through the force, eventually felt and told in the past.
Choice is rooted in change. Change is the way of the Darkside.
@StupendousWave I always believed the reason for Qui Gon Jinn getting bested by Darth Maul was sourly because Obi Wan didnt use the force jump as fast as he should have to get back on the platform then he should have. He literally should have used the force run (Like the both had done while on the ship trying to open (Melt with lightsaber) the doors when getting away from the Destroyer Droids) so he could 100x sooner rejoin the lightsaber battle with his master against Maul all right before the two even reach the shield doors. Which in all would mean Qui Gon would not at all have to continue the tiresome battle 1 on 1 any longer. With all that I believe In the end it would be the jedi that would be victorious against the sith and Qui Gon would be the one to train Skywalker, never becoming Darth Vader
What if maul used force run to run away, and qui-gon used to keep up, still the 1 on 1 battle. that qui-gon lost on purpose, in order to become a jedi spirit, if you watch the fight between old ben kenobi and vader, its the same. ben drops his lightsaber and takes the hit. yoda is different because he isn't killed, but if you think about how old he was and that he was probably keeping himself alive through the force like sideous was its not crazy to think he had to give up immortality in order to die and become a ghost.
Obi-Wan was like an older brother for anakin in attack of the clones anakin describes Obi-Wan as the closet thing he had to a father but I think after anakin became a knight he viewed Obi-Wan purely as an elder brother.
Jinn served the force and broke Jedi rules if it meant serving the force which made him a perfect mentor for rule breaker anakin
Qui Gonn was a rule breaker but he did it for the right reasons. Plus he was wiser and disciplined. Anakin was a rule breaker but a lot of times it was for selfish reasons and he had emotional issues. You are correct Qui Gon would have been the perfect mentor for Anakin.
Qui gon dying at the hands of Duku is fascinating and would have made Anikin’s relationship with Obi Wan interesting.
Yeah
It would be super interesting and I think that instead of Obi-Wan
It's Anakin who comes up with the strategy to defeat Dooku or any dark side users during the Clone Wars and his strategy would be way more powerful and nihilistic that Palpatine would've been fearful of him than he was to Dooku, Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan
And also this type of strategy and quick way of good thinking would make a Jedi like Mace Windu be extremely jealous and angry
I think that's possible
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Mace Windu would’ve been the ideal master for Anakin. He would’ve been the firm hand he needed while also teaching him to keep the dark side in balance with the light. Palpatine would’ve had a much harder time turning him if Anakin had a master versed in the dark side who could answer his questions. Also with Anakin’s desire for power, who better to teach him than the Jedi the council once thought was the chosen one.
DUDE
Didn't he just say that Anakin would still turn to the dark side much faster than he already did
In short: Qui-Gon was the father Anakin needed but didn't get. Obi-Wan was a man who wasn't ready for that responsibility but did the best he could, despite his faults.
In that respect I think Obi-Wan presents the reality of fatherhood - that when you become a father for the first time, you're not truly ready for it, even if you intended to have a child, but there's still so much that is unknown to you - yet you try to do the best you can with what you have to work with, no matter how imperfect it is.
I think one of the biggest things yous guys over looked was one of the biggest motivations of dooku leaving the order was qgj death as he even stated in the plagueis novel that if the council continues to waste jedi lives; and that would leave Palpatine wo an apprentice and the ds may not in turn whisper for plagueis to die. Then we may have gotten a confrontation between plagueis and the chosen one he created.
The major thing Qui-Gon would have done was really teach Anakin about the living force and how even though people may die, they live on through the force, they move with it and become one with it, along with how the Living Force has a will and people deaths are often a major part of that will, these things would help him overcome his biggest reason for turning to the Dark Side, his fear or his loved ones dying. Qui-Gons biggest failure as a Jedi I believe is not instilling these beliefs in Obi-Wan which meant they never had the opportunity to get passed down to Anakin.
If qui-gon couldnt teach that to obi-wan why do you think he would've been successful teaching anakin?
19:11 Jedi Master Tahl
Its weird to assume that Dooku would ever turn to the Dark Side with Qui-Gon still alive.
The Jedi was a corrupt organization, Yoda was blind to his own failings and the republics and were misusing the light side of the force. Anakin was the force seeking to balance the equation.
Qui Gonn would stop skywalker from going to the dark side
Qui-Gon followed the guidance of the force. He took in to consideration the words and knowledge of the individual council members. But understood the if you follow the beaten path, you are not travelling your own journey. For even the most righteous Jedi masters have underlying/ secondary agendas.
I honestly think it doesn't matter who trains Anakin. I think he ends up a sith regardless. I feel Anakin turning to the darkside is both a punishment and a lesson for the Jedi for their arrogance. The force probably allowed a few to live for the future Jedi to have leaned that lesson and pass it on.
Hey, Stupendous Wave, when will you upload “What if Qui Gon Jinn Trained Anakin Skywalker? part 3”
11:36...lust for power. I think this was taught to him from Palpatine on the side. If Quigon was teaching him, Palpatine may have never been able to even get near him.
12:41...Obi Wan is best to train him after Qui Gon. But what about Yoda? What about Shak ti? Obi Wan had just become a Jedi, he might have been too young and inexperienced to handle such a complicated person like Anakin who already started with attachments, which you guys even agree later on. But I feel an experienced Jedi might have done a better job.
The issue with this conversation is this is titled "Why Qui-Gon was the ONLY Perfect Master for Anakin". None of you make any real point or argument about anyone else possibly training him other than Obi Wan or Qui Gon. What makes all these other Jedi not worthy to train him? You guys never really even bring up the subject as to why any other Jedi couldn't possibly succeed better than Obi Wan.
Palpatine didn't give him anything but praise and friendship for saving him from the bounty hunter attempt on his life. which was obviously a setup by palpatine himself. especially after he specifically says that he would look into his career with great interest? no way palpatine wasn't pulling the strings.
Padme was used to get close to anakin as well after he noticed his feelings for her, and then she just... dies because she loses the will the live after giving birth to two kids? bacta tank her. theres no mother that gives birth and just decides to nope out because she just has no desire to live and raise her kids.
100% killed by palpatine, all palpatine had to do in order to control anakin was to keep his plan of killing her after childbirth in motion. then anakin won't stop dreaming about it.
He was able to manipulate him because of how other kids treated anakin, because of anakins gifts, it made him competition to his peers and also to his teachers, obi-wan, mace windu, yoda, qui-gon all would've seen him as a rival. their minds would be clouded by envy.
Palpatine was obviously anakins best teacher, and thats why anakin followed him in the end.
just think it through.
I like what you guys are saying about Anakin being called to power as the chosen one but I think it is also highly influenced by his past. Anakin’s lust for power never could have been properly dealt with if the trauma he endured from being a slave was never properly addressed. It’s being born into and spending a decade in slavery that shapes his whole world view and that in conjunction to losing his mother to a preventable death (because I think Qui-Gon would have listened to Anakin about his dreams, also he always intended to do something to free Shmi so this is assuming she even remains on Tatooine) that really fuels his lust for power. At least that’s my opinion.
I also think there's more to explore and be said about Anakin's motivations and pushes towards the dark side that were out of Obi-wan's control. First with the confirmation that Anakin's conception was brought by Palatine's dark force manipulation of midichlorians. Which to me says that Anakin's lust for power and fall to the dark side were inevitable. So to me it's hard to think that simply a different master would have changed his outcome. There's also the instance where Anakin has the vision of his mother then procedes to attempt a rescue. Which results in a failure leading him to slaughter the tuskens, beginning his quest for irrational power. Obi-wan couldn't have done anything for Anakin had he even known what was taking place.