okay, last edit on this pinned message: a lot of non-regular twitch viewers join twitch streams on livestream days and that can sometimes lead to a chaotic environment, and it definitely did in this controversial livestream day where I also had a mix of opinions. So while many of the topics were worth discussing, the tone / manner of speech of many chatters is not the type that I am proud of. Ultimately I would rather not broadcast that hyper-negative attitude on one of my channels, that's why it has been covered! I'm also aware that a lot of you will not agree with my perspective on a lot of points, and I am fine with that! i've responded to a few important ones but probably won't be past this point. Feel free to discuss in comments but KEEP IT RESPECTFUL. TY.
In the livestream i was like “guys let’s try to summon dish” and stay up all night to see this livestream cause i was so excited ❤❤❤❤❤I love how incredible you are Dish
The Kiswahili singing will never not make me emotional, as an African living in a country where that's all they speak I really was shaken they did that. Best patch fr.
Bro the music was unironically the best part of the stream, everything about it, the chorus, the instruments even the lyrics, they sound so heroic like they really would sing for an accient hero. They always do such a good job with their music, you can always feel the passion hoyo has for their games in their music. I could glaze this musical performance even more if i wanted to cause it really sends shivers down my spine. Big clap for everyone performing in it and to hoyo for making these masterpieces come true. Hope we will hear more of these performances while natlan.
Kenya or tanzania? I think that those two countries are the only ones with widespread kiswahili speaking. It's alot more ground in tanzania coz they literally learn math, science and other languages using swahili while Kenya has a blend of both kiswahili and english
Bro everyone in chat was going on how the devstream was boring, like come on the .0 updates have always been in this format, have peoples retention really deteriorated that much in a year?
It wasn't even boring. The conversations were either informative or entertaining, never dull. Unless of course they are a bunch of lesser tiktok addicts who make flies seem like the most attentive thing alive.
I thought it was a good livestream. It was interesting to me, tbh. I watched it before coming to see how others reacted to it and I thought it was pretty interesting and the music at the end popped OFF. The fact they had people singing in Swahili (?). It was majestic and I had shivers down my spine! Plus, I think chat are all probably self diagnosed with ADHD, but the reality is that they are just... not that smart and probably too impatient. It's like no one has any patience anymore and watch too many short things like tiktok and RUclips shorts. They can't comprehend anything that's more than 10 minutes long, I swear. Then they ask stupid questions that were already answered in the livestream, but due to having selective hearing and goldfish level attention spans, they missed it. Chatters can be really stupid, I swear. That's why I never catch streams. I just watch videos when they come to RUclips or I'd probably start snapping at those people. (I know I shouldn't get so mad, but the fact they act so entitled and impatient just rubs me the wrong way.)
@@samkelly5045 People are stupid then. They have so much audacity and are so rude about things too. The chat annoyed me that I couldn't even finish this video. Glad I watched the livestream on the official channel before coming to watch streamers reacting to it.
Agree! Def was not boring. As usual on livestream days, chat expands far beyond the regular community (aka lots of people who don't normally watch twitch join in just for the event) so the vibes were definitely off. It's on me though, for not limiting chat earlier when I noticed things getting a bit...😵💫
For the sanctifying elixirs people seem to miss the fact they say you can get them from sacrificing upgraded artifacts as well :D so not entirely pay to win!
Yeah we can get it through event, smelting artefact ( lvl 20 ) , and buying Battlepass. But some leakers said that f2p can get 2 from Battlepass and the paid one get 4.
People are quick to jump into their own conclusions because of their own personal biases so much so, that they are blinded to the truth that's right in front of their noses. People glossed over the fact that you can extract points on any leveled artifact because they saw it in the BP. I swear this community "hates" it when people spend money on this game.
Yeah, and especially since long-time players might have quite a few "good enough" artifacts that actually have a really bad substat set rolls, it's relatively easy to obtain.
People being lowkey racist during the orchestra was so sad to experience, not just Dish's chat but every cc, the disrespect calling them wakanda and stuff, people showing their real colors isn't that ironc?, also, I don't believe a singular person actually cares about representation when they act like buffoons irl, only want to instigate hate, and revolt just for the sake of it, yes the game could include more dark skinned playable characters, but who cares is just a game and making something so irrelevant as a skin color in a fictional character makes me think people are so stranded from reality and the real world problems, we should separate fiction from real world, believe me makes things more enjoyable
These people don't realize that they think being is racist to others - there are alot of people that can be but not everyone- then it's okay that these people can be racist to hoyo and others? Like when I heard the bingo card I just skipped the rewards part cause I couldn't watch this stream cause I really love dish but those people in the chat ruined it for me. I'm not saying players can't ask for things they would love to see. I'm African, I'm not like those in tribes so I can't relate to the people in Nathan. BUT South Africa where am I from have different cultures. We have white;brown,black,Italian,Muslim even Asian cultures here and everyone has their own things! And its BEAUTIFUL!! That's why we are called the Rainbow nation. Yeah we are FAR from fucking perfect but those people in the chat are gross. If you find hoyo boring,if you want other things that other games like WUWA or ZZZ or HSR has then go there if genshin does not make you happy anymore But being actually rude,disrespectful and actually Racist then you're wrong
Yeah, not a single "boycotter" cares about actual people. They just want to virtue signal and splash brown paint on fictional characters. Meanwhile, this live orchestra involving natives and appropriate culture, they don't give a crap.
I do think that they're doing everything else pretty well in terms of representations. They really just had a Kiswahili song as their main theme... It's amazing. And people with some understanding of China's geopolitics and cultural interests will easily recognise the difficulties for Hoyo to simply release dark skinned characters. At the end of the day, the business needs to survive and the biggest market needs to be satisfied. You simply take the Skin colour part out of the equation and you won't find much more issues with Natlan representation
@@newbie4789 some people can't see it that way, yes it's a really not a good thing not to be able to release much darker skin playable characters. Cause pretty standards in China and other places are different and hoyo is really trying to bring other details of different cultures in other ways but they're making like genshin is so awful. Yes people can be upset but not up to appoint where they're being actually mean. Literally Mr. Dawei's car got broken in recently and I heard there were people that were boycotting about the skin colors that was happy;that it happened to him like..... are you okay? Cause thar should never happen to anyone
i always loved dish's genshin content and her channel was the first one that i checked for a reaction. but holy shit that stream was annoying as hell. the chat acts like we point a gun to their head to play this game. everything felt so forced and everyone was soooo negative despite many good news. this is a FREE game and you don't have to play it if you don't like it. and the company does not owe you shit. yes we're all pissed at the lack of dark skin characters but this is a chinese company and u know their culture and how obsessed they are with being white. i get it but they represent everything else so well. that symphony was incredible but people who complain the most about inclusivity were the most disrespectful ones while REAL people were on screen performing cultural content. if u don't enjoy the game just don't play and don't watch the livestream. it seems like dish's community is now just looking for something to hate on.
not just her community, but dish herself as well. idk if its caused by burnout or chat influenced her but I feel like dish and her community need to take a break from Genshin
@@hiha3675 ikr!! she also acts like she has to play the game but she does not seem to enjoy it at all anymore. this is a game, it is supposed to be fun. her content is literally entartainment. but it feels like she only does genshin content like a duty or something. and i'm not saying she has to enjoy it. i'm just saying that her bored energy in her genshin content is not fun to watch. it's better if she doesn't do them at all imo
For, real, some reactions looked like there was only one thing in people's minds: "man, they did this, and that, they listened, what am I going to complain about now?"
I saw multiple reactions from other CC and every single osne missed the point and said "oh it's pay to win ofc" regarding the artifact gadget when it was LITERALLY written in the subtitles.
that « I hear my people but I don’t see my people » when the music was playing is crazy. surely some of y’all are not gonna start to ostracise black people who took part in that concert
they mean in game obviously? its amazing that the singers and musical artists were invited and payed to play here, but the fact that hoyoverse still doesnt want to include them in game is telling...
It means absolutely nothing. If it did mean anything, then you would have to include 95% of all gacha games. So don't point fingers only at hoyo when many others do the same. Besides, what does the color of someones skin matter anyway? Why make a big deal out of nothing? Virtue signaling? @garb8933
I feel like people don’t consider the possibility that Hoyo employees don’t have anything against more color, but that doesn’t change the fact they live in a country that does and are surrounded by a community that has called their government to try and ruin the company for far less controversial issues. Like I wouldn’t be surprised if maybe there’s a few bad eggs in the company, but this is also the same company that dances lightly with lgbt stuff in their games while maintaining plausible deniability. I just think it’s 10 times harder to do that with skin tone for obvious reasons. They aren’t a western company with the exact same consequences and freedom to make certain things as they please. I would love more people that look like me but I get that it’s probably not as simple or as safe to do so.
They're still a huge corporation regardless, I doubt they could get away with much compared to other smaller tech development games, but I'm a little confused on how Mualani was able to be released like that lol
Imagine they change it to darker skin to current characters and guess what will happen. Ppl in cn gonna try to sue Hoyo just like Neu Bug fix since they are fall under false advertsing and had to reverse the change again. All they can do is make characters that will reveal later in version 5 darker skin even it still a low chance.
Considering live action Mulan was shot right by a "re-education camp" where they take non-CN citizens and strip them of their religious and/or indigenous cultures, it's kinda like asking for representation in a company from...1920s-1940s Germany? 1800s-early to mid 1900s USA? Add in Hoyo being considered legally by the CN gov as a "cultural export," Da Wei or one of the devs having to be part of the gov because of how big their company got, etc, and yeah. They might be technologically the same as other countries, but they are very much behind by at least a hundred to two hundred years in term of civil law and education there.
really depends because dyslite and a bunch of other games dont have a colour issue and theyre from china. we obviously dont know whats going on behind the scenes and from seeing designs of the npc's i really do think they just have a preference for "whiter" characters
@@UnlimitedMichi It's Dish's own fault, this is the audience she caters to, she's been an active voice against hoyo supporting all the "boycots" these years.
@@rataarctica If thats the case, she either has to ban the people who are involved on the toxicity or let it fester otherwise, her "speaking or battling" out against Genshin will be ultimately pointless since her opinions will be disregarded and will be bundled to other toxic Genshin CC's as they offer nothing but negativity. I've checked threads on which Genshin CC they would recommend and the first or so years i usually see her name pop up but now her channel is just among the toxic ones. Such a disappointment. edit: Hell, she's not even heavily recommended on RUclips, I really have to dig deep just to find this video and surprise surprise, its what I expected.
Some additional clarification about the Capturing Radiance. They have clarified that if you get the Rate Up character via Capturing Radiance it resets you to 0 regarding the guarantee. The statement about "not interfering with the guarantee" was simply a poorly worded way of indicating that the guarantee system still exists and isn't being replaced with this new system. This new system is basically just an automatic reroll that occurs when you lose a 50/50. The net effect of it is just that the rate for 5 Star Characters when you don't have a guarantee is 55/45 instead of 50/50. Mechanically, the way that it functions is that you roll a 50/50, lose the 50/50, THEN AND ONLY THEN the system rolls a 1/10 to see if Capturing Radiance will trigger. If you win the 50/50, then Capturing Radiance won't even trigger to do the 1/10 reroll. When you lose the 50/50, the system will trigger a 1/10 reroll which will trigger a special "Capturing Radiance" animation when you win the 1/10. Capturing Radiance will convert your lost 50/50 into a win, giving you the Rate Up 5 Star character. If you lose the 1/10, Capturing Radiance will not trigger and you will be considered as having "lost" the 50/50, giving you a guarantee on your next 5 Star Character. Getting the 5 Star Character, whether by winning the 50/50, triggering Capturing Radiance, or having a guarantee, will reset any guarantee that you might have. In practice, simply think of it as a 5% increase in the likelihood of getting a Rate Up 5 Star. The entire special animation and "Capturing Radiance" system is basically just convoluted branding and psychological manipulation. It is them specifically showing IN GAME when the extra 5% rate is what made you get the character. The banner is effectively 50% Win, 45% Lose, 5% Win with Fancy Animation. Beyond that, how it is mechanically functioning in the backend is not actually relevant to players. It is not practically any different than if they had simply said "The Rate Up banner is now a 55/45 instead of a 50/50."
is the chances of it triggering truly that low? I was expecting at least 25% now I'm just sad T-T BUT the weapon banner is not a total scam now so ill take it!
I believe when you trigger the capturing radiance, you will be considered losing the 50/50 but still getting the promoted character, meaning your next pity will have guaranteed even if you got the promotional character
@@zynaezria4353 No, they have clarified that if you get the Rate Up character via any means, then your pity is fully reset to zero. They worded it poorly on the initial blog, but they confirmed on BiliBili that you aren't considered as losing the 50/50 if you get the character via Capturing Radiance.
@@zynaezria4353 No. They have explicitly confirmed that what I said above is correct. You are not considered as losing the 50/50 if you get the promoted character via Capturing Radiance. Auto-mod prevents me from elaborating further because RUclips is stupid.
@@zynaezria4353 They worded the initial messaging poorly, but they have stated explicitly that if you get the Promoted Character via any means (winning 50/50, Capturing Radiance or Guarantee) then your pity is reset to Zero. It was confirmed on Chinese social media. I cannot be more specific than that due to RUclips auto-mod aggressiveness.
Some of the worst reaction ive seen in this stream regarding so many good QOL and exciting new things coming up for the future. It felt like once people had an issue to be unhappy with the game they just let it fester and didnt take a chance to put it aside for the meantime to enjoy the other good things in the game. I really wish the chat was either covered or dish was able to put it aside for the stream, as dish is one of my favorite content creators, but the negativity really just soured the whole mood. I hope next time its better :/
The way Capturing radiance works from what I understood so far is that , in a 50/50, if you lose the 50/50, there is a second calculation that occurs that's 10/90 in terms of chances, this means that each 50/50 from now on becomes a 55/45, if you win it you just get the limited 5*, if you lose it, and you win the capturing radiance calculation,you get the limited 5* ,if you lose both, you get a standard 5*. Because of how this works, some people have been wondering if losing the 50/50 but getting the capturing radiance event (as in winning the 10/90) means that you still get a guarantee because technically you lose your 50/50,it sounds believable because the chance of that happening is very low,but it's probably not? we'll see. Edit: it's been clarified that getting the capturing radiance event will reset your pity.
Sorry but I felt like dish was really salty this patch. Every other stream i watched the streamer was excited but this felt dull for some reason. Also, can you pinpoint the "white person with dreads", please? I felt like you just kinda marked that off automatically and i feel like that was a bs move
THANK YOU. My only assumption could be that she viewed that very first NPC as a white person, which is interesting because his skin color looked way closer to Polynesian/American indigenous than the vast majority of the odd blackwashing fan arts that I've seen on social media. For whatever reason, people seem to have the impression that Natlan is based solely on Africa when it is clearly not as evidenced by the names of many characters.
@@Hy-BridAbroad The main problem I have with the characters, or rather one character in particular, is that when you make a character based off of a nigerian deity (olorun, or ororon as they named him in genshin) that people still worship to this day white, it’s kinda crossing the line. I can understand that cultures don’t necessarily have a specific skin tone a lot of the time, disrespecting a god people worship (not me personally) to this day is kinda crazy, but not much we can do about it I suppose, still think it sucks tho. but yes white skin =/= equal white by ethnicity
@@Hy-BridAbroadI also assumed that at first but nope. She actually missed the beginning of the trailer entirely up until Kinich's showcase. Plus she would've marked it on the bingo card instantly after. *_Instead, however_* , she marked it off in the middle of the stream with a bunch of other prompts at once. I'd assume, and my main theory, is that when the people of the three tribes were shown, they were more white than she wanted. And she just equated it to one of them having dreads/locs or something. Which isn't true. I looked at both tribe video and there's none.
@@staryxmoonlit I mean, there are anime out there that absolutely wreck the integrity of famous, real figures in other culture. Remember Ya Boy Kongming? I mean...they turned one of the greatest war strategists of all history into a guy who lewds after a cute singer at a bar and thirst for her with drool on his lips. i get it, it's not skin tone, but it's the same thing. it's a total bastardization of something that actually exists. Media and fiction will always play around with "names" and figures. Especially deities. Gods of all cultures have been genderbent and race changed millions of times, people play around with that stuff all the time. Personally, I don't know why it's a big deal that a video game took the name of a real deity and made it look however they wanted. This happens all the time.
@@lostforever773 Where's your originality? Also, you do realise not all the Natlan characters have been shown yet. There are still maybe 6-8 characters we haven't even seen yet. Not sure if they'll have melanin or not, but honestly, it's like you forgot poor Iansan exists and Xilonen is also pretty tan. Sure, taht's only a couple of characters, but what were you expecting? If skin colour is what bothers you in a goddamn video game about complete fantasy, even if they do use real life cultures, it's still all fictional. You need to get tf over it already. Or just don't watch Genshin content if it makes you so salty.
I think the way you have spoken up for what you want Genshin, the game, and the community to be is great. How you have spoken about the colorism issue has always struck me as sincere. I have such a great respect for people who love something but want it to be better. Not only have you voiced your criticisms, but you have also enjoyed what has been done well with this new patch. As comments pour in, I just wanted to say my piece: you have my respect, and the content you put out has always put a smile on my face or a valuable thought in my head.
Genshin is not a cultural showcase, it's a cultural gateway, and they are doing an amazing job with cultural exposure for a free game. Don't be DISHingenuous.
i'm so excited for natlan! i was feeling very meh at first, but after this stream i can feel my hyperfixation coming back lol. those baby saurians look so cuuute, music is PEAK, and looks like we might be getting quite a bit of abyss lore as for the more controversial stuff, i have lots of thoughts so sorry for the long ramble and this is just /my/ opinion obviously everyone will feel differently i'm Mexican and when i heard Natlan had Aztec and Mayan inspo i was so excited. but also a lil concerned on how they would mesh the two together plus whatever other culture they were grabbing. after the trailer and concert, i cant wait for patch to drop, i can already tell ill have such a blast exploring my biggest concern was that they would go the stereotype route of apply sepia filter, less developed /everything/, lazy, and dangerous representation we so often get in movies. i'm so tired of telling people im visiting my parents in Mexico and them asking if im not scared to live there, or 'jokingly' telling me not to drink the water seeing the more modern twist and color splashes all over made me so happy. the feathers and bright colors remind me of the very bright colorful older neighborhoods in central Mexico (ive also seen them in coastal Chile so probs not just a Mexican thing but i hate speaking for other latino countries when idk for sure). as far as characters go, i like most of them, but mostly waiting until we see their backstories and personalities. i think im mostly looking forward to the pink haired girl and kinich (and capitano lmao) tbh, i never thought we would get characters with darker tan (moreno+) skin tones. cant be disappointed if you dont hope and all that... maybe because of the pretty bad colorism issue in Mexico and other latino countries. i'm used to not seeing lots of diverse skintones in my own local media, so didn't expect it from a foreign country either. 'growing up, any 90s-00s telenovelas and local programming would have actors with pale skin, maaaaybe light tan, dark hair and hazel/green/blue eyes. all mostly Mexican or maybe latino actors/actresses, but still ones with obviously more Spanish than indigenous traits. from what I've heard, south east Asia is just as bad if not worse with their beauty standards/colorism so i just couldn't see it, especially in a 'pretty anime game'. obviously, i would still love it if they did end up adding more obviously POC playable characters because i really do think representation is important and we can all benefit from seeing more diverse casts in media. but i most admit i also dont have lots of energy by keeping myself angry over it. hoyoverse would need to do something affecting the real world for me to put energy towards a boycott (like funding warcrimes or 'hiring' foreign workers and not paying them fairly) i can see why some people do care, but i just personally dont have leftover energy after getting home from work to care too deeply over the game i use to destress with. for the people that do care tho, all the more power to you and i truly seriously hope that hoyoverse takes more steps towards a better, more diverse game
China itself has pretty bad colorism. Every skincare product there would advertise as having "whitening" effect and every camera app would have filters that make you look whiter. It's saddening.
@@lappaniais it really saddening? People just want to be something that they aren't. White people tan themselves under the sun and consider darker skin to be beauty. Brown people like me considered brighter colors as our beauty standard.
I tried to watch even after knowing Dish's stance on the colorism issue with Genshin. Oh well, should've known better. Some people, once they start looking at things negatively, it'll change the way they interact with their object of criticism. Good riddance!
i thought this CC was supporting the boycot? yet still streams the game and livestreams - basically advertising the game. it's nothing but fake activism and virtue signaling at its finest. anyone know any CCs that are actually genuine and shows it with their actions? please let me know
"MurderofBirds" is one I always follow. He is a lore enthusiast. Self-proclaimed ghost writer of Genshin Impact lore. "Unreal Dreamer" I watch only sometimes when I want a boost of energy, but he seems genuine. "SevyPlays" makes awesome characters build guides, and she does story and livestrem reactions. These are my favourites.
For anyone who didn't pick up on it, it wasn't just Tuonto, but *every* question was from someone from a different one of the 4 countries where Genshin is most successful. Only the first one was a Chinese content creator.
are we really use the word representation for the game that make raiden a hot female god (and no one complaint about it i guess) and sexualize miko clothing. why is it different know?
People have been speaking up about this too! I’ve seen japanese people upset.. esp Okinawan people whose history was used to portray the whole civil war in inazuma archon quest. Sadly, it didn’t really get much attention 🥹
Or Buer. It's virtue signalling. While people who talk about representation sound like they promote positive change, they actually are a black hole where you will never win. The rules of "inclusivity" will continue to change to guilt trip you even if you mean no harm. Follow your own heart rather than the hearts of others.
@@Monchi_desu Nope, it was in other big livestreams, like 4.0. It's just that you have a small attention span, like the twitch chat and sadly, even Dish.
Genshin dev listen to player feedback the problem is just that the people asking for more melanin is like 0.1% of the player base (and I'd argue a lot of them just jump on the bandwagon and not play the game at all).
Was nice to see the music and how much work they put in. People seem to forget this is a Chinese game and china is known for incredible stereotypes so the fact they did that is amazing imo. People expect change to happen right away when things just don’t work like that. And if they did people would still be pissed. Not only that their is representation in the game not saying it’s great but there is some good in it and not all rep is skin colour. Multiple people from these regions have said this. People are obsessed with being this righteous person
The music, oh the music😭 My hands were shacking, my legs electrified and eyes tearing when i heard the language of my mother land being used. That literally shook me to my core
While Natlan and much of the livestream was awesome, the Teyvat Talks, specifically Yoimiya's VA section where she talked about her father was my personal favorite. 1:43:36 It really hit home on a personal level for me and I'm glad Yoimiya's VA is doing such great work
My take is The moment you view thing in a negative and narrow light its always going to be wrong. No matter how many good won't right the wrong. That is your baseline. So no matter what after all this boycott and drama expose all this CC we can see that who really cares and who really just in for the hype and its their job. Yeah they are not many doing it for liking it but its just life. So every CC going in negative sure will not come out happy as and nitpick every single thing. You would think people read book knows more about life but they don't and get involve in all the twitter crap. These people are more scare bsc they are knowledgeable and common sense don't work but never do anything to make a better change rather make thing more worst.
I think the whole skin colour thing is an interesting situation. While I would absolutely love more representation and variety in Genshin in this way, I don’t know if I feel like the outrage directed at Hoyoverse over this is justified. I remember the conversation about skin colour being mentioned all the way back in Liyue and Inazuma. Sumeru was where it really became prominent and then naturally Natlan seems to be getting the most heat over this given its inspiration, no pun intended 😉 In my mind Teyvat is a fictional world that can draw as much, or as little inspiration from real world cultures as it likes. Music is incredible and does the most in this sense. World design is a close second. Skin colour is nonexistent in this sense. Hoyoverse have remained consistent in keeping all their characters varying shades of white / lightly tan in their skin tone, and I think as long as they remain consistent with their fictional world / character design in this aspect, I don’t see a problem or secondary negative motive from Hoyoverse to choose this design path.
The main problem I have with the characters, or rather one character in particular, is that when you make a character based off of a nigerian deity (olorun, or ororon as they named him in genshin) that people still worship to this day white, it’s kinda crossing the line. I can understand that cultures don’t necessarily have a specific skin tone a lot of the time, disrespecting a god people worship (not me personally) to this day is kinda crazy, but not much we can do about it I suppose, still think it sucks tho
@@staryxmoonlit I can understand that, it’s definitely a puzzling decision by Hoyoverse to make everyone white. My best guess is the Chinese consumer base is driving this decision. I’m pretty sure the names are just that though. They might take inspiration from the culture, but I don’t think Olorun / Ororun in Genshin is actually a god or Claiming to be a Nigerian deity. Seems like they’re just a Natlan native with a vision. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think Olorun has a gender, race, or any physical characteristics in the Yoruba religion either. My question I guess is, would you rather their names be generic white person names? I feel like that would be even more insulting given they’re all based in Natlan? I feel like this is such a tricky situation because it sounds like people are saying, you either represent all of a culture in a fantasy world or non of it. Which sounds ridiculous to me and actually more damaging to representation. I wouldn’t want fantasy authors down the line to feel like they have to omit all cultural representation in any form because they worried about the backlash because they missed something out somewhere in their fictional fantasy representation of something. I want to see fictional worlds of steampunk old England with only black and POC characters. That would be really cool and I don’t think people should get angry at that. The only time I feel the anger is justified is if the cultural inspiration is being made fun of / mocked.
Dish i had to say this, i watched the whole thing before checking any other streamers, so i had my own justification on how awesome the stream is, then i go around and check others reaction about it. But your review in the end is what throw me off. Why can't that we show some respect and love and appreciation towards the dev that being work hard for? We always complain this and that about the dev not listen, look back at all the changes and QoL being implemented, it always there, it just took time, did they listen? YES THEY DID! It just took time. And when the dev and Da Wei showing expression how they been through the time where words was spoken harshly especially you CC who always took things into controversy and drama. It suppose to be an awesome conversation, yet you had to putting assumption and change the narrative into something controversy. "Double meaning? They hinting something? They were silenced at some line they not suppose to crossed?" Please, stop these nonsense speculation, it does more harm than help to the community. They dev and Da Wei already show enough frustration and you had to put pressure on them by spreading another controversy idea. The dev listen, they are hurt, they try their best to fixed it, it takes time, the community don't have patience, blames them, DEVNOTLISTEN, is that simple. You're a content creator with bunch of community with you, your words have power and influence, be responsible with your action and consequences of your speech.
Simple answer: you're implying that I can't be happy with some components of the game and unhappy with others, and I disagree with that ideology entirely.
@@dishdaily Being happy and unhappy and talk about certain thing VS intentionally creating controversy and forcing speculation is different thing. If that's you way of mentality and mindset, then is fine. Then using the same ideology i would say i can have my own disagreement on your ideology, I lost all my respect on you for that alone. It never cames to my mind that Dish i know could be this arrogant and ignorance. Like you said you are entitle to your own opinion so am i, the "awesome" dish that i know is gone, and i respect it. You do you.
I think chat was just really weird this time because a lot of people who don't usually watch twitch tuned in just for the livestream. Otherwise I always thought that her chat was rlly wholesome, though I don't actively watch Dish's streams
@@_HuaCheng True, used to be more wholesome the first 1-2 years of genshin, but now this is the audience Dish has cultivated and it's here to stay cause they have to fight for representation besides their favorite CC that support their ideals! ✊
Imma be real, the one nickpick throughout this whole video is how Dish is borderline Qanon in regards to finding something from the devs' lines in regards to the past month's controversies. The disclaimer at the bottom right at the beginning, absolutely, yeah, but everything else, like the trailer around 1:14:20, and apparently the devs "vague-posting" about their "hidden feelings" in the livestream? Nah... The 3rd anniversary back in the 3.1 livestream, now that, with what the devs talked about and the upcoming firestorm, now that was a real "yeah, we're gonna be cooked" I will say, a reminder that Mihoyo is not a public company, the ones with the biggest say in the company is still the founders, the big 3, Cai Haoyu, Liu Wei (Da Wei) and Luo Yuhao. (Cai Haoyu merely gave his position as head of the board of directors to Da Wei late 2023) So if the dubious theory that I keep seeing online about there being some shadow-cabal department in Mihoyo that's "banning Mihoyo character designers from creating dark-skinned character designs" is true, the 3 founders have the most say, with Da Wei being "the most". So do with that as you will. Meanwhile, I do not doubt that the designs we got were the ones the designers had in mind.
I like the designs as they are. I understand that people want darker skinned characters and I can see where they're coming from, like I get it... But tbh, the designs are honestly fine objectively, like theya re pretty solid designs and look fun too! If people don't like it, they can just make an OC or something. Lmao! I won't defend Mihoyo, but I also am not going to hate on them either. Da Wei seems so chill, but if it is true that there is some dubious stuff like that going on, that would really suck. :(
@@ReptilianTeaDrinker "dubious", meaning unreliable, doubtful, i.e. I do not think it's the case. For me, it's just a conspiracy theory for people who disagree with Mihoyo, but want to find someone they can't see to blame what they dislike on. "Oh, it's marketing" "Oh, it's accounting". This is especially the case when we see Da Wei, we see the game designers, character designers, programmers, appear on stream over the years.
@@ReptilianTeaDrinkerthis is hoyoverse, a multimillionaire company with one of the worst fandoms, you really expect the people behind everything to be good? They have proved that they don’t care about the fandom, just the money and I’m gonna be honest with you, Natlan characters would look better with darker tones like Kaeya’s skin tone
not sure what qanon has to do with this BUT if you're just talking about theorizing or reading between the lines of their statements, I think it's undeniable that there was vague acknowledgement of the dissatisfaction of many players, especially spoken of in tandem with discussing the importance of travel and global awareness. Like I said in the stream and I'll say now, I don't know the reason they are speaking in the way that they are and I'm not going to conject my ideas either, only observe and point it out. Up to each player, at the end of the day.
@@dishdaily In October 2017, an anonymous user put a series of posts on the message board 4chan. The user signed off as "Q" and claimed to have a level of US security approval known as "Q clearance". These messages became known as "Q drops" or "breadcrumbs", often written in cryptic language peppered with slogans, pledges and pro-Trump themes." BBC - "Qanon: What is it and where did it comes from?" QAnon emerged on 4chan in 2017, when an anonymous poster known as “Q,” believed by Qanon followers to be a team of U.S. government and military insiders, began posting cryptic messages online about Trump’s alleged efforts to takedown the Deep State online." ADL - "Qanon" So by Qanon, I mean the Qanon phenomenon of back in 2016, Trump could give a stupid speech like: "Hillary hated covfefe. Unlike me, I LOVE IT. My uncle used to tell me, Don, let me tell you about something, never drink kombucha. CAUSE CROOKED HILLARY likes kombucha. She likes it so much. Kombucha tastes bad, I don't like it. Am I right folks?" Then the Qanon people would go like "Ah yes, kombucha here actually means illegal immigrants, so Hillary Clinton wants to bring in millions of illegals into our country!" and then they'll find some even more insane connection to the "coffee" mention that I couldn't possibly think of in this hypothetical of mine. TLDR: I'm using the term "Qanon" as describing "Finding things, intentions, messaging as being intentionally hinted at, even when it's not actually there"
It's honestly insufferable the amount of gatekeeping going on for "representation". True inclusivity would mean allowing freedom for all people, not limiting small things because of their skin tone. Even if they were a black only thing, why is it a bad thing for white people to also get involved? If we want a society that coexists, then we should allow them to coexist in all ways. Not with rules that make no sense that only seems to divide. Inclusivity is being done the completely wrong way by those who claim to want it the most.
Right? Dreadlocks and braids have existed in cultures all throughout the world all throughout history. Africa, Polynesia, Ancient America, and many more.
dreads are originated from africa, locs are from vikings. They are similar hairstyles but they are different by both appearance and methods to from them. What the genshin npcs were wearing were (by the looks of it, so take this with a grain of salt) dreads, not locs.
Apart from the ofc blatant skin tones I think this is probably the best .0 version livestream yet. The changes are minor and major and having a free 5 star helps and a 5% over rider and extra everything is just way better. They even stated there will be more characters added to the standard banner which may be a win or loss depending but all in all definitely a big win
I think your take on this was exactly the same as mine. I’m so surprised they addressed any sort of backlash at all and the fact that the music was so representative shows that there may be a bigger issue to do with govmt going on that we’re not even full aware of. I’m honestly excited that they really went so hard with the music, it made me so happy to see. Still hopeful for change in the future no matter what though! :)
I'm sorry but not even melanin could save Chasca's design lol her outfit is an eyesore, this is the first character design in Genshin that makes me want to look away.
its just such a bittersweet moment because different departments like the music one, definitely tried to be more culturally aware to the different cultures being represent, etc and then you see the environment that its in and its just really beautiful, they even added a variety of npcs of different skin color no matter how bare minimum it is but they just can't do playable ones
I was looking forward to your reaction on natlan livestream because you're one of the ccs i watch but your chat made it so unbearable to watch the twitch vod that i decided to just wait for you to upload here instead so thank you for the upload!
The thing is, Genshin has never had a problem including cultural things but this livestream especially made me think that they really only have a problem with watering it down a bit(especially the skin). So the problem isn’t representation in general, it’s the watering down of it but they did so well on the music.
Thanks for your review of the livestream. Truth be told, I was disappointed to see bigger hoyo creators acknowledge the cultural issues less and less. Especially after the reward announcements. I thought you had gone down that route. I apologize for making assumptions in that regard. I appreciate you being so informative and giving your honest opinion on how things were handled.
@@perseus1054 Exactly. The cultural representation is there in its full glory for everyone to see and partake in, yet so many people are focused on the most superficial aspects.
I will be honest, after the livestream, I was more hyped about the quality of life updates (And the amazing music) more than about the new nation. I do want to see if they actually listened to players feedback about the characters in future characters reveals, but I highly doubt it. I kind stopped playing Genshin as much after the Natlan characters were revealed and I don't know if this will bring back my interest in the game..
very excited for the update! i hope they fully adress the skin.tone issue (if i understand corect its.more complicated than simply editing.skin texture) in later versions, but even jusr seeing npcs with my hairtype (dreadlocs, with multiple styles.too! very good reference for my original characters) already make.me very happy, it seem theyre doing what they can and im glad but i agreethar they can do better ❤ p.s. sorry for.bad typing, phone keyboard not so nice to me..
As an African American in this game I always had mixed feelings about this game. While I do love the representation of the music and genres they put out for each region I do wish some of the character designs actually represented where they’re inspired from sometimes.
The live symphony was definitely the highlight of this stream for me, and even that I have a mixed bag of emotions. On one side I am overjoyed to see the diversity and representation being featured in it and that their performance was absolutely breathtaking! 💖 On the other I'm sad because said representation can't also be said in-game. I can see the diversity yes, but why is it only limited to the NPCs (and at worse on enemies we have to fight for materials) but not the playable characters? 💔 It just further amplifies the issue that they are capable of giving people representation with grace but can't do the same when it comes to being concerned about what's marketable or not.
@@otho69AD Y'all are quick to assume that we're complaining that the game is not 100% true-to-life with it's inspirations, when our only issue is that alot of real-life culture is being integrated yet is, for the majority, misrepresented by the wrong set of main characters. I'm not saying that they have to fully take what they want to borrow, but they should at least not leave behind something that's crucially important to the cultures they're taking inspiration from, especially its people who've built the foundation of those cultures in the first place. They shouldn't be put to the side when they're supposed to be in the spotlight this time around.
@@roidoP you probably misunderstood "they took inspiration from" and took it too seriously and too deeply If your issue is the skin color then they already have characters that have darker skins.
@@yaemiko9969The characters you speak about have garbage gameplay and kits. They’re doing this in purpose lmao I bet Iansan is gonna be a 4 star with insufferable gameplay too like Dehya, Cyno and Sethos
There’s a difference between dreads and locs, iirc, locs are what Viking’s wore, dreads originated from africa, or maybe it’s the other way around. But the hair style genshin had their npcs wear are definitely supposed to be dreads, locs are a lot more thin and look more matted, dreads are thick and have twists (since some versions of dreads are formed by putting Afro hair in twists and letting them mat together), so if the npcs were wearing locs, that’s fine, but those weren’t Viking locs at all
@@meddlecat correct yes. As before, the question is when and how frequent? My bet will be seldom, and they'll start with the obsolete/ functionally retired characters. As i did in the past years, aint gonna hold my breath or my hopes up. Not anymore. That said, im staying and will keep complaining. Hehe
@@jonathan0225 They're not going to add old limited 5* to standard banner. Those will appear on the Chronicled Wish. Only new units will be added to the standard benner like Dehya and Tighnari when they first came out.
There are the boring types of people that obsess over characters and don’t care about lore/stories. I don’t know how they can sit and watch anime 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻♂️or even movie!
Its not acknowledgement that they wanna add dark characters because they don't have to. Nobody other than some sad souls cry about it. None of these people talked about Disney's blackwashing and now these idots cry about a game lmao
@@dilay9755 bruh, are you for real? 🤣. If you're gonna argue saying Disney character are not real, then tell me why they are blackwashing Isac Newtown, queen Charlotte, Vikings, and lot more in the name of ''diversity''? 😂
@@yanriiyuya I am. There are lots of characters of color that have been played by white people in Hollywood/ or have gone through changes in their skin color despite being black/brown in anime/animation. And ofc nobody knows about it bc it’s normalized. I’m not an expert on this topic, so i can’t pinpoint it specifically but there are lots of video essays that are helpful to learn more about whitewashing
@@vsss4248 Maybe bc white people have been stealing for centuries and colonizing? So making a fictional world about sex between brown and white aristocrats and their love life wouldn’t hurt real life white people. However, i’ve never said it’s right to make queen charlotte or isaac newton other races though, never even watched these shows. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
okay, last edit on this pinned message: a lot of non-regular twitch viewers join twitch streams on livestream days and that can sometimes lead to a chaotic environment, and it definitely did in this controversial livestream day where I also had a mix of opinions. So while many of the topics were worth discussing, the tone / manner of speech of many chatters is not the type that I am proud of. Ultimately I would rather not broadcast that hyper-negative attitude on one of my channels, that's why it has been covered!
I'm also aware that a lot of you will not agree with my perspective on a lot of points, and I am fine with that! i've responded to a few important ones but probably won't be past this point. Feel free to discuss in comments but KEEP IT RESPECTFUL. TY.
In the livestream i was like “guys let’s try to summon dish” and stay up all night to see this livestream cause i was so excited ❤❤❤❤❤I love how incredible you are Dish
Yeah I noticed that chat was especially annoying this time, I'm glad you spoke about it. 👍
And that's very understandable dish. We respect that. We don't want to create more negativities.
Dish, love your thoughtful and considered criticisms, moderation while reacting must be an impossible job so hopefully it didn't sour things too much.
"Controversial" How? when? where? controversial by who? LMAOOOOO
The Kiswahili singing will never not make me emotional, as an African living in a country where that's all they speak I really was shaken they did that. Best patch fr.
Bro the music was unironically the best part of the stream, everything about it, the chorus, the instruments even the lyrics, they sound so heroic like they really would sing for an accient hero. They always do such a good job with their music, you can always feel the passion hoyo has for their games in their music. I could glaze this musical performance even more if i wanted to cause it really sends shivers down my spine. Big clap for everyone performing in it and to hoyo for making these masterpieces come true. Hope we will hear more of these performances while natlan.
Kenya or tanzania? I think that those two countries are the only ones with widespread kiswahili speaking. It's alot more ground in tanzania coz they literally learn math, science and other languages using swahili while Kenya has a blend of both kiswahili and english
@@madara5458 Both Kenya and Tanzania speak it.
@@ReptilianTeaDrinker I'm aware. I'm asking which if the two countries he's from.
Other streamers: YOOOO IT’S TUONTO OMG
Dish: *laughs at him*
Truly a siblings moment ❤
Zyox: mocking him
@@drawisy yeah it was so funny
She is tuontos sister?
@@Lemon13377 nope but they're good friends!
@@Lemon13377 no they r just very close friends i think so they feel like siblings
Bro everyone in chat was going on how the devstream was boring, like come on the .0 updates have always been in this format, have peoples retention really deteriorated that much in a year?
It wasn't even boring. The conversations were either informative or entertaining, never dull. Unless of course they are a bunch of lesser tiktok addicts who make flies seem like the most attentive thing alive.
I thought it was a good livestream. It was interesting to me, tbh. I watched it before coming to see how others reacted to it and I thought it was pretty interesting and the music at the end popped OFF. The fact they had people singing in Swahili (?). It was majestic and I had shivers down my spine! Plus, I think chat are all probably self diagnosed with ADHD, but the reality is that they are just... not that smart and probably too impatient. It's like no one has any patience anymore and watch too many short things like tiktok and RUclips shorts. They can't comprehend anything that's more than 10 minutes long, I swear.
Then they ask stupid questions that were already answered in the livestream, but due to having selective hearing and goldfish level attention spans, they missed it. Chatters can be really stupid, I swear. That's why I never catch streams. I just watch videos when they come to RUclips or I'd probably start snapping at those people. (I know I shouldn't get so mad, but the fact they act so entitled and impatient just rubs me the wrong way.)
@@samkelly5045 People are stupid then. They have so much audacity and are so rude about things too. The chat annoyed me that I couldn't even finish this video. Glad I watched the livestream on the official channel before coming to watch streamers reacting to it.
Agree! Def was not boring. As usual on livestream days, chat expands far beyond the regular community (aka lots of people who don't normally watch twitch join in just for the event) so the vibes were definitely off. It's on me though, for not limiting chat earlier when I noticed things getting a bit...😵💫
Tiktok addict confirn they allergic to informative conversation
For the sanctifying elixirs people seem to miss the fact they say you can get them from sacrificing upgraded artifacts as well :D so not entirely pay to win!
Yeah we can get it through event, smelting artefact ( lvl 20 ) , and buying Battlepass.
But some leakers said that f2p can get 2 from Battlepass and the paid one get 4.
@@Jhoentak15 Recycling any leveled artifact*. There were level 9 and level 12 artifacts used to extract the elixir in the livestream.
People are quick to jump into their own conclusions because of their own personal biases so much so, that they are blinded to the truth that's right in front of their noses. People glossed over the fact that you can extract points on any leveled artifact because they saw it in the BP. I swear this community "hates" it when people spend money on this game.
Yeah, and especially since long-time players might have quite a few "good enough" artifacts that actually have a really bad substat set rolls, it's relatively easy to obtain.
sweet! I have a bunch!
People being lowkey racist during the orchestra was so sad to experience, not just Dish's chat but every cc, the disrespect calling them wakanda and stuff, people showing their real colors isn't that ironc?, also, I don't believe a singular person actually cares about representation when they act like buffoons irl, only want to instigate hate, and revolt just for the sake of it, yes the game could include more dark skinned playable characters, but who cares is just a game and making something so irrelevant as a skin color in a fictional character makes me think people are so stranded from reality and the real world problems, we should separate fiction from real world, believe me makes things more enjoyable
These people don't realize that they think being is racist to others - there are alot of people that can be but not everyone- then it's okay that these people can be racist to hoyo and others? Like when I heard the bingo card I just skipped the rewards part cause I couldn't watch this stream cause I really love dish but those people in the chat ruined it for me.
I'm not saying players can't ask for things they would love to see. I'm African, I'm not like those in tribes so I can't relate to the people in Nathan. BUT South Africa where am I from have different cultures. We have white;brown,black,Italian,Muslim even Asian cultures here and everyone has their own things! And its BEAUTIFUL!! That's why we are called the Rainbow nation. Yeah we are FAR from fucking perfect but those people in the chat are gross. If you find hoyo boring,if you want other things that other games like WUWA or ZZZ or HSR has then go there if genshin does not make you happy anymore
But being actually rude,disrespectful and actually Racist then you're wrong
@@risha-mehanse4082 💯
Yeah, not a single "boycotter" cares about actual people. They just want to virtue signal and splash brown paint on fictional characters. Meanwhile, this live orchestra involving natives and appropriate culture, they don't give a crap.
I do think that they're doing everything else pretty well in terms of representations. They really just had a Kiswahili song as their main theme... It's amazing.
And people with some understanding of China's geopolitics and cultural interests will easily recognise the difficulties for Hoyo to simply release dark skinned characters. At the end of the day, the business needs to survive and the biggest market needs to be satisfied.
You simply take the Skin colour part out of the equation and you won't find much more issues with Natlan representation
@@newbie4789 some people can't see it that way, yes it's a really not a good thing not to be able to release much darker skin playable characters. Cause pretty standards in China and other places are different and hoyo is really trying to bring other details of different cultures in other ways but they're making like genshin is so awful. Yes people can be upset but not up to appoint where they're being actually mean.
Literally Mr. Dawei's car got broken in recently and I heard there were people that were boycotting about the skin colors that was happy;that it happened to him like..... are you okay? Cause thar should never happen to anyone
15:20 they had one content creator for all the voices languages. Chinese, Japanese, English speaker, and Korean.
yep!
i always loved dish's genshin content and her channel was the first one that i checked for a reaction. but holy shit that stream was annoying as hell. the chat acts like we point a gun to their head to play this game. everything felt so forced and everyone was soooo negative despite many good news. this is a FREE game and you don't have to play it if you don't like it. and the company does not owe you shit. yes we're all pissed at the lack of dark skin characters but this is a chinese company and u know their culture and how obsessed they are with being white. i get it but they represent everything else so well. that symphony was incredible but people who complain the most about inclusivity were the most disrespectful ones while REAL people were on screen performing cultural content. if u don't enjoy the game just don't play and don't watch the livestream. it seems like dish's community is now just looking for something to hate on.
not just her community, but dish herself as well. idk if its caused by burnout or chat influenced her but I feel like dish and her community need to take a break from Genshin
@@hiha3675 ikr!! she also acts like she has to play the game but she does not seem to enjoy it at all anymore. this is a game, it is supposed to be fun. her content is literally entartainment. but it feels like she only does genshin content like a duty or something. and i'm not saying she has to enjoy it. i'm just saying that her bored energy in her genshin content is not fun to watch. it's better if she doesn't do them at all imo
I don't get it, what are you angry for? This is just Dish's audience that she's been cathering for for some time now.
thats why you watch zepla...
For, real, some reactions looked like there was only one thing in people's minds: "man, they did this, and that, they listened, what am I going to complain about now?"
crazy how hoyo-mix never misses
Ew the chat is insufferable.
I saw multiple reactions from other CC and every single osne missed the point and said "oh it's pay to win ofc" regarding the artifact gadget when it was LITERALLY written in the subtitles.
I think you misunderstand, I was just referring to that one method being p2w, not the whole item!
that « I hear my people but I don’t see my people » when the music was playing is crazy. surely some of y’all are not gonna start to ostracise black people who took part in that concert
Right? Idk what is going on with chat sometimes 😭
people just be saying anything
they mean in game obviously? its amazing that the singers and musical artists were invited and payed to play here, but the fact that hoyoverse still doesnt want to include them in game is telling...
It means absolutely nothing. If it did mean anything, then you would have to include 95% of all gacha games. So don't point fingers only at hoyo when many others do the same. Besides, what does the color of someones skin matter anyway? Why make a big deal out of nothing? Virtue signaling? @garb8933
2 hours of daily dish LETSGO
To anyone watching this the day that this video is posted, all of the redemption codes are still active
I feel like people don’t consider the possibility that Hoyo employees don’t have anything against more color, but that doesn’t change the fact they live in a country that does and are surrounded by a community that has called their government to try and ruin the company for far less controversial issues.
Like I wouldn’t be surprised if maybe there’s a few bad eggs in the company, but this is also the same company that dances lightly with lgbt stuff in their games while maintaining plausible deniability. I just think it’s 10 times harder to do that with skin tone for obvious reasons. They aren’t a western company with the exact same consequences and freedom to make certain things as they please. I would love more people that look like me but I get that it’s probably not as simple or as safe to do so.
They're still a huge corporation regardless, I doubt they could get away with much compared to other smaller tech development games, but I'm a little confused on how Mualani was able to be released like that lol
Imagine they change it to darker skin to current characters and guess what will happen. Ppl in cn gonna try to sue Hoyo just like Neu Bug fix since they are fall under false advertsing and had to reverse the change again.
All they can do is make characters that will reveal later in version 5 darker skin even it still a low chance.
Considering live action Mulan was shot right by a "re-education camp" where they take non-CN citizens and strip them of their religious and/or indigenous cultures, it's kinda like asking for representation in a company from...1920s-1940s Germany? 1800s-early to mid 1900s USA? Add in Hoyo being considered legally by the CN gov as a "cultural export," Da Wei or one of the devs having to be part of the gov because of how big their company got, etc, and yeah. They might be technologically the same as other countries, but they are very much behind by at least a hundred to two hundred years in term of civil law and education there.
really depends because dyslite and a bunch of other games dont have a colour issue and theyre from china. we obviously dont know whats going on behind the scenes and from seeing designs of the npc's i really do think they just have a preference for "whiter" characters
I imagine they’d get bmb and dth thrts if they added characters with different skn clrs.
wow the chat was PAINFUL :D
I remember her chat being more wholesome but now it feels very toxic sadly :(
i turn off the video around 25min
all crybabies keep looping the same shit
@@UnlimitedMichi It's Dish's own fault, this is the audience she caters to, she's been an active voice against hoyo supporting all the "boycots" these years.
@@rataarctica If thats the case, she either has to ban the people who are involved on the toxicity or let it fester otherwise, her "speaking or battling" out against Genshin will be ultimately pointless since her opinions will be disregarded and will be bundled to other toxic Genshin CC's as they offer nothing but negativity.
I've checked threads on which Genshin CC they would recommend and the first or so years i usually see her name pop up but now her channel is just among the toxic ones. Such a disappointment.
edit: Hell, she's not even heavily recommended on RUclips, I really have to dig deep just to find this video and surprise surprise, its what I expected.
@@warior875 Same, it was very good on her first 1-2 years of genshin cc career.
They cooked a five course, five Michelin star banquet with this one
I cried while listening to the music... It's so good
Edit: I teared up while listening to it again here lol ... It makes me so emotional idk why 🥹
For real I cried too I think it might just be the nostalgia
Some additional clarification about the Capturing Radiance. They have clarified that if you get the Rate Up character via Capturing Radiance it resets you to 0 regarding the guarantee. The statement about "not interfering with the guarantee" was simply a poorly worded way of indicating that the guarantee system still exists and isn't being replaced with this new system. This new system is basically just an automatic reroll that occurs when you lose a 50/50.
The net effect of it is just that the rate for 5 Star Characters when you don't have a guarantee is 55/45 instead of 50/50. Mechanically, the way that it functions is that you roll a 50/50, lose the 50/50, THEN AND ONLY THEN the system rolls a 1/10 to see if Capturing Radiance will trigger. If you win the 50/50, then Capturing Radiance won't even trigger to do the 1/10 reroll. When you lose the 50/50, the system will trigger a 1/10 reroll which will trigger a special "Capturing Radiance" animation when you win the 1/10. Capturing Radiance will convert your lost 50/50 into a win, giving you the Rate Up 5 Star character. If you lose the 1/10, Capturing Radiance will not trigger and you will be considered as having "lost" the 50/50, giving you a guarantee on your next 5 Star Character. Getting the 5 Star Character, whether by winning the 50/50, triggering Capturing Radiance, or having a guarantee, will reset any guarantee that you might have.
In practice, simply think of it as a 5% increase in the likelihood of getting a Rate Up 5 Star. The entire special animation and "Capturing Radiance" system is basically just convoluted branding and psychological manipulation. It is them specifically showing IN GAME when the extra 5% rate is what made you get the character. The banner is effectively 50% Win, 45% Lose, 5% Win with Fancy Animation. Beyond that, how it is mechanically functioning in the backend is not actually relevant to players. It is not practically any different than if they had simply said "The Rate Up banner is now a 55/45 instead of a 50/50."
is the chances of it triggering truly that low? I was expecting at least 25% now I'm just sad T-T BUT the weapon banner is not a total scam now so ill take it!
I believe when you trigger the capturing radiance, you will be considered losing the 50/50 but still getting the promoted character, meaning your next pity will have guaranteed even if you got the promotional character
@@zynaezria4353 No, they have clarified that if you get the Rate Up character via any means, then your pity is fully reset to zero. They worded it poorly on the initial blog, but they confirmed on BiliBili that you aren't considered as losing the 50/50 if you get the character via Capturing Radiance.
@@zynaezria4353 No. They have explicitly confirmed that what I said above is correct. You are not considered as losing the 50/50 if you get the promoted character via Capturing Radiance. Auto-mod prevents me from elaborating further because RUclips is stupid.
@@zynaezria4353 They worded the initial messaging poorly, but they have stated explicitly that if you get the Promoted Character via any means (winning 50/50, Capturing Radiance or Guarantee) then your pity is reset to Zero. It was confirmed on Chinese social media. I cannot be more specific than that due to RUclips auto-mod aggressiveness.
Some of the worst reaction ive seen in this stream regarding so many good QOL and exciting new things coming up for the future. It felt like once people had an issue to be unhappy with the game they just let it fester and didnt take a chance to put it aside for the meantime to enjoy the other good things in the game. I really wish the chat was either covered or dish was able to put it aside for the stream, as dish is one of my favorite content creators, but the negativity really just soured the whole mood. I hope next time its better :/
The way Capturing radiance works from what I understood so far is that , in a 50/50, if you lose the 50/50, there is a second calculation that occurs that's 10/90 in terms of chances, this means that each 50/50 from now on becomes a 55/45, if you win it you just get the limited 5*, if you lose it, and you win the capturing radiance calculation,you get the limited 5* ,if you lose both, you get a standard 5*.
Because of how this works, some people have been wondering if losing the 50/50 but getting the capturing radiance event (as in winning the 10/90) means that you still get a guarantee because technically you lose your 50/50,it sounds believable because the chance of that happening is very low,but it's probably not? we'll see.
Edit: it's been clarified that getting the capturing radiance event will reset your pity.
Sorry but I felt like dish was really salty this patch. Every other stream i watched the streamer was excited but this felt dull for some reason. Also, can you pinpoint the "white person with dreads", please? I felt like you just kinda marked that off automatically and i feel like that was a bs move
THANK YOU. My only assumption could be that she viewed that very first NPC as a white person, which is interesting because his skin color looked way closer to Polynesian/American indigenous than the vast majority of the odd blackwashing fan arts that I've seen on social media.
For whatever reason, people seem to have the impression that Natlan is based solely on Africa when it is clearly not as evidenced by the names of many characters.
@@Hy-BridAbroad The main problem I have with the characters, or rather one character in particular, is that when you make a character based off of a nigerian deity (olorun, or ororon as they named him in genshin) that people still worship to this day white, it’s kinda crossing the line. I can understand that cultures don’t necessarily have a specific skin tone a lot of the time, disrespecting a god people worship (not me personally) to this day is kinda crazy, but not much we can do about it I suppose, still think it sucks tho. but yes white skin =/= equal white by ethnicity
@@Hy-BridAbroadI also assumed that at first but nope. She actually missed the beginning of the trailer entirely up until Kinich's showcase. Plus she would've marked it on the bingo card instantly after. *_Instead, however_* , she marked it off in the middle of the stream with a bunch of other prompts at once.
I'd assume, and my main theory, is that when the people of the three tribes were shown, they were more white than she wanted. And she just equated it to one of them having dreads/locs or something. Which isn't true. I looked at both tribe video and there's none.
@@staryxmoonlit I mean, there are anime out there that absolutely wreck the integrity of famous, real figures in other culture. Remember Ya Boy Kongming? I mean...they turned one of the greatest war strategists of all history into a guy who lewds after a cute singer at a bar and thirst for her with drool on his lips. i get it, it's not skin tone, but it's the same thing. it's a total bastardization of something that actually exists.
Media and fiction will always play around with "names" and figures. Especially deities. Gods of all cultures have been genderbent and race changed millions of times, people play around with that stuff all the time. Personally, I don't know why it's a big deal that a video game took the name of a real deity and made it look however they wanted. This happens all the time.
@@staryxmoonlit You forget that Jesus is depicted differently depending on the country, so that excuse doesn't work in the slightest.
This is actually stacked
29:22 Naruto and Sasuke's JP Voice Actors 🔥
I haven't seen anyone say it but I like how my initial impression seeing mavuika's hair turn yellow she looks like she went super saiyan
becuz they didnt see the 'colors' of these character om
Mauvika's hair being golden reminded me of Leone from akame ga kill and Yang xiao Long from RWBY.
Genshin could ne-
Wait.. they actually cooked!!!!
Then where's the melanin
Where it matters, on the real people
@@lostforever773 Where's your originality? Also, you do realise not all the Natlan characters have been shown yet. There are still maybe 6-8 characters we haven't even seen yet. Not sure if they'll have melanin or not, but honestly, it's like you forgot poor Iansan exists and Xilonen is also pretty tan. Sure, taht's only a couple of characters, but what were you expecting? If skin colour is what bothers you in a goddamn video game about complete fantasy, even if they do use real life cultures, it's still all fictional. You need to get tf over it already. Or just don't watch Genshin content if it makes you so salty.
CRYO CAPITANO!??!?
I think the way you have spoken up for what you want Genshin, the game, and the community to be is great. How you have spoken about the colorism issue has always struck me as sincere. I have such a great respect for people who love something but want it to be better. Not only have you voiced your criticisms, but you have also enjoyed what has been done well with this new patch. As comments pour in, I just wanted to say my piece: you have my respect, and the content you put out has always put a smile on my face or a valuable thought in my head.
Issue? what issue?
So good to see the music culture being fully fitting and appropriate. That's where I wanna see the real representation in culture.
Seeing Capitano's long black hair was all I needed to know that I need to pull for him T0T Please let him be playable!!!!!
i just wish i could use the 5 star selector to choose one of the weapons 😭 its been 4 years and still no lost prayer 😞
same but with skyward harp T-T
I have 2 lost prayers take one of them
I NEED A 5 STAR WEAPON SELECTOR TO GET THE AMOS BOW FOR MY GANYU (she's been holding the skyward harp for a while now 😭)
Genshin is not a cultural showcase, it's a cultural gateway, and they are doing an amazing job with cultural exposure for a free game. Don't be DISHingenuous.
i'm so excited for natlan! i was feeling very meh at first, but after this stream i can feel my hyperfixation coming back lol. those baby saurians look so cuuute, music is PEAK, and looks like we might be getting quite a bit of abyss lore
as for the more controversial stuff, i have lots of thoughts so sorry for the long ramble and this is just /my/ opinion obviously everyone will feel differently
i'm Mexican and when i heard Natlan had Aztec and Mayan inspo i was so excited. but also a lil concerned on how they would mesh the two together plus whatever other culture they were grabbing. after the trailer and concert, i cant wait for patch to drop, i can already tell ill have such a blast exploring
my biggest concern was that they would go the stereotype route of apply sepia filter, less developed /everything/, lazy, and dangerous representation we so often get in movies. i'm so tired of telling people im visiting my parents in Mexico and them asking if im not scared to live there, or 'jokingly' telling me not to drink the water
seeing the more modern twist and color splashes all over made me so happy. the feathers and bright colors remind me of the very bright colorful older neighborhoods in central Mexico (ive also seen them in coastal Chile so probs not just a Mexican thing but i hate speaking for other latino countries when idk for sure).
as far as characters go, i like most of them, but mostly waiting until we see their backstories and personalities. i think im mostly looking forward to the pink haired girl and kinich (and capitano lmao)
tbh, i never thought we would get characters with darker tan (moreno+) skin tones. cant be disappointed if you dont hope and all that... maybe because of the pretty bad colorism issue in Mexico and other latino countries.
i'm used to not seeing lots of diverse skintones in my own local media, so didn't expect it from a foreign country either. 'growing up, any 90s-00s telenovelas and local programming would have actors with pale skin, maaaaybe light tan, dark hair and hazel/green/blue eyes. all mostly Mexican or maybe latino actors/actresses, but still ones with obviously more Spanish than indigenous traits. from what I've heard, south east Asia is just as bad if not worse with their beauty standards/colorism so i just couldn't see it, especially in a 'pretty anime game'.
obviously, i would still love it if they did end up adding more obviously POC playable characters because i really do think representation is important and we can all benefit from seeing more diverse casts in media. but i most admit i also dont have lots of energy by keeping myself angry over it. hoyoverse would need to do something affecting the real world for me to put energy towards a boycott (like funding warcrimes or 'hiring' foreign workers and not paying them fairly)
i can see why some people do care, but i just personally dont have leftover energy after getting home from work to care too deeply over the game i use to destress with. for the people that do care tho, all the more power to you and i truly seriously hope that hoyoverse takes more steps towards a better, more diverse game
China itself has pretty bad colorism. Every skincare product there would advertise as having "whitening" effect and every camera app would have filters that make you look whiter. It's saddening.
Dude, just play the game as they are & do not even consider others opinions
@@lappaniais it really saddening? People just want to be something that they aren't. White people tan themselves under the sun and consider darker skin to be beauty. Brown people like me considered brighter colors as our beauty standard.
I tried to watch even after knowing Dish's stance on the colorism issue with Genshin. Oh well, should've known better. Some people, once they start looking at things negatively, it'll change the way they interact with their object of criticism. Good riddance!
i thought this CC was supporting the boycot? yet still streams the game and livestreams - basically advertising the game. it's nothing but fake activism and virtue signaling at its finest. anyone know any CCs that are actually genuine and shows it with their actions? please let me know
"MurderofBirds" is one I always follow. He is a lore enthusiast. Self-proclaimed ghost writer of Genshin Impact lore.
"Unreal Dreamer" I watch only sometimes when I want a boost of energy, but he seems genuine.
"SevyPlays" makes awesome characters build guides, and she does story and livestrem reactions.
These are my favourites.
@@IgurasiHiori i think I've seen them before but never really tuned in to streams but thanks for the list, will check em out
For anyone who didn't pick up on it, it wasn't just Tuonto, but *every* question was from someone from a different one of the 4 countries where Genshin is most successful. Only the first one was a Chinese content creator.
are we really use the word representation for the game that make raiden a hot female god (and no one complaint about it i guess) and sexualize miko clothing. why is it different know?
LOL true. Raiden looks nothing like a japanese and i see no one having problem lol
People have been speaking up about this too! I’ve seen japanese people upset.. esp Okinawan people whose history was used to portray the whole civil war in inazuma archon quest. Sadly, it didn’t really get much attention 🥹
Or Buer. It's virtue signalling. While people who talk about representation sound like they promote positive change, they actually are a black hole where you will never win. The rules of "inclusivity" will continue to change to guilt trip you even if you mean no harm. Follow your own heart rather than the hearts of others.
To be fair, shrine maiden clothing has aways been sexualized even before Miko, the same way with schoolgirl uniforms
japanese people complained about it. just bc you didnt see them doesnt mean it didnt happen
Finally! I've been waiting whole day for your reaction.
5:48 it was always there, interesting that you only notice it now
No actually, it's the first time they put that on their livestream
@@Monchi_desu you can see it in 4.0 and a bunch of others, whenever they're talking about or showing gameplay
@@Monchi_desu Nope, it was in other big livestreams, like 4.0. It's just that you have a small attention span, like the twitch chat and sadly, even Dish.
wow, you're right! I checked, it is present for most of the .0s (esp when showing gameplay footage).
@@ReptilianTeaDrinker well that's an unnecessarily rude way to put it
Weapon banner is not a scam anymore LETS GOOOOOO
Genshin dev listen to player feedback the problem is just that the people asking for more melanin is like 0.1% of the player base (and I'd argue a lot of them just jump on the bandwagon and not play the game at all).
Who else was hoping and praying for Max Mittleman to be in the talk show 😅
this may be the best combat music in genshin. but enkanomiya is not far behind
Was nice to see the music and how much work they put in. People seem to forget this is a Chinese game and china is known for incredible stereotypes so the fact they did that is amazing imo. People expect change to happen right away when things just don’t work like that. And if they did people would still be pissed. Not only that their is representation in the game not saying it’s great but there is some good in it and not all rep is skin colour. Multiple people from these regions have said this. People are obsessed with being this righteous person
"Lets gooo." (straight face)
The music, oh the music😭
My hands were shacking, my legs electrified and eyes tearing when i heard the language of my mother land being used. That literally shook me to my core
not Dish laughing at tuonto's appearance HAHAHHAHA
While Natlan and much of the livestream was awesome, the Teyvat Talks, specifically Yoimiya's VA section where she talked about her father was my personal favorite.
1:43:36 It really hit home on a personal level for me and I'm glad Yoimiya's VA is doing such great work
My take is
The moment you view thing in a negative and narrow light its always going to be wrong. No matter how many good won't right the wrong. That is your baseline.
So no matter what after all this boycott and drama expose all this CC we can see that who really cares and who really just in for the hype and its their job. Yeah they are not many doing it for liking it but its just life.
So every CC going in negative sure will not come out happy as and nitpick every single thing. You would think people read book knows more about life but they don't and get involve in all the twitter crap. These people are more scare bsc they are knowledgeable and common sense don't work but never do anything to make a better change rather make thing more worst.
Shark girl and minecraft boy
Honestly can't wait for the behind the music in Natlan video, I'm really excited to see the process they went through to make this, it was so good.
There might not have been a new standard character but they did say more characters will be added to the banner
I wish the Fate points on the weapon would also carry over but from what they say it doesn't seem like it
i was waiting for this! i couldnt watch the whole stream live sadly, but now i can :D
I think the whole skin colour thing is an interesting situation.
While I would absolutely love more representation and variety in Genshin in this way, I don’t know if I feel like the outrage directed at Hoyoverse over this is justified.
I remember the conversation about skin colour being mentioned all the way back in Liyue and Inazuma. Sumeru was where it really became prominent and then naturally Natlan seems to be getting the most heat over this given its inspiration, no pun intended 😉
In my mind Teyvat is a fictional world that can draw as much, or as little inspiration from real world cultures as it likes. Music is incredible and does the most in this sense. World design is a close second. Skin colour is nonexistent in this sense. Hoyoverse have remained consistent in keeping all their characters varying shades of white / lightly tan in their skin tone, and I think as long as they remain consistent with their fictional world / character design in this aspect, I don’t see a problem or secondary negative motive from Hoyoverse to choose this design path.
The main problem I have with the characters, or rather one character in particular, is that when you make a character based off of a nigerian deity (olorun, or ororon as they named him in genshin) that people still worship to this day white, it’s kinda crossing the line. I can understand that cultures don’t necessarily have a specific skin tone a lot of the time, disrespecting a god people worship (not me personally) to this day is kinda crazy, but not much we can do about it I suppose, still think it sucks tho
@@staryxmoonlit I can understand that, it’s definitely a puzzling decision by Hoyoverse to make everyone white. My best guess is the Chinese consumer base is driving this decision.
I’m pretty sure the names are just that though. They might take inspiration from the culture, but I don’t think Olorun / Ororun in Genshin is actually a god or Claiming to be a Nigerian deity. Seems like they’re just a Natlan native with a vision. Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think Olorun has a gender, race, or any physical characteristics in the Yoruba religion either.
My question I guess is, would you rather their names be generic white person names? I feel like that would be even more insulting given they’re all based in Natlan? I feel like this is such a tricky situation because it sounds like people are saying, you either represent all of a culture in a fantasy world or non of it. Which sounds ridiculous to me and actually more damaging to representation. I wouldn’t want fantasy authors down the line to feel like they have to omit all cultural representation in any form because they worried about the backlash because they missed something out somewhere in their fictional fantasy representation of something.
I want to see fictional worlds of steampunk old England with only black and POC characters. That would be really cool and I don’t think people should get angry at that. The only time I feel the anger is justified is if the cultural inspiration is being made fun of / mocked.
am legit a small genshin poster and its so hard having to edit and post it my storage is dying got any tips for me u wish u knew when u started
Dish i had to say this, i watched the whole thing before checking any other streamers, so i had my own justification on how awesome the stream is, then i go around and check others reaction about it. But your review in the end is what throw me off. Why can't that we show some respect and love and appreciation towards the dev that being work hard for? We always complain this and that about the dev not listen, look back at all the changes and QoL being implemented, it always there, it just took time, did they listen? YES THEY DID! It just took time. And when the dev and Da Wei showing expression how they been through the time where words was spoken harshly especially you CC who always took things into controversy and drama. It suppose to be an awesome conversation, yet you had to putting assumption and change the narrative into something controversy. "Double meaning? They hinting something? They were silenced at some line they not suppose to crossed?" Please, stop these nonsense speculation, it does more harm than help to the community. They dev and Da Wei already show enough frustration and you had to put pressure on them by spreading another controversy idea. The dev listen, they are hurt, they try their best to fixed it, it takes time, the community don't have patience, blames them, DEVNOTLISTEN, is that simple. You're a content creator with bunch of community with you, your words have power and influence, be responsible with your action and consequences of your speech.
Simple answer: you're implying that I can't be happy with some components of the game and unhappy with others, and I disagree with that ideology entirely.
They are not immune to criticism lol
@@dishdaily Being happy and unhappy and talk about certain thing VS intentionally creating controversy and forcing speculation is different thing. If that's you way of mentality and mindset, then is fine. Then using the same ideology i would say i can have my own disagreement on your ideology, I lost all my respect on you for that alone. It never cames to my mind that Dish i know could be this arrogant and ignorance. Like you said you are entitle to your own opinion so am i, the "awesome" dish that i know is gone, and i respect it. You do you.
@@Boo-Hoo0228 Well, that is a very extreme reaction. But you do you! See ya!
Chill bro. The dev doesn't listen to the community outside of east asia. Let them yap into a wall all they want.
Genshin could 🗿🤝
google classroom after seen the 5.0 livestream "oh yes this year we are safe"
I’m literally graduating with genshin impact what 💀
Yeah I dodged a bullet with this channel
I think chat was just really weird this time because a lot of people who don't usually watch twitch tuned in just for the livestream. Otherwise I always thought that her chat was rlly wholesome, though I don't actively watch Dish's streams
@@_HuaCheng True, used to be more wholesome the first 1-2 years of genshin, but now this is the audience Dish has cultivated and it's here to stay cause they have to fight for representation besides their favorite CC that support their ideals! ✊
I liked dish before 😔
@@rataarctica yeah I agree with that, it's just a shame to see
Ngl kinich was my fave thing he feels like Wuwa meets minecraft meets kingdom hearts cause his gameplay is so modernized out there.
I mean every instrument is native to somewhere.
Imma be real, the one nickpick throughout this whole video is how Dish is borderline Qanon in regards to finding something from the devs' lines in regards to the past month's controversies.
The disclaimer at the bottom right at the beginning, absolutely, yeah, but everything else, like the trailer around 1:14:20, and apparently the devs "vague-posting" about their "hidden feelings" in the livestream? Nah...
The 3rd anniversary back in the 3.1 livestream, now that, with what the devs talked about and the upcoming firestorm, now that was a real "yeah, we're gonna be cooked"
I will say, a reminder that Mihoyo is not a public company, the ones with the biggest say in the company is still the founders, the big 3, Cai Haoyu, Liu Wei (Da Wei) and Luo Yuhao. (Cai Haoyu merely gave his position as head of the board of directors to Da Wei late 2023)
So if the dubious theory that I keep seeing online about there being some shadow-cabal department in Mihoyo that's "banning Mihoyo character designers from creating dark-skinned character designs" is true, the 3 founders have the most say, with Da Wei being "the most".
So do with that as you will.
Meanwhile, I do not doubt that the designs we got were the ones the designers had in mind.
I like the designs as they are. I understand that people want darker skinned characters and I can see where they're coming from, like I get it... But tbh, the designs are honestly fine objectively, like theya re pretty solid designs and look fun too! If people don't like it, they can just make an OC or something. Lmao! I won't defend Mihoyo, but I also am not going to hate on them either. Da Wei seems so chill, but if it is true that there is some dubious stuff like that going on, that would really suck. :(
@@ReptilianTeaDrinker "dubious", meaning unreliable, doubtful, i.e. I do not think it's the case.
For me, it's just a conspiracy theory for people who disagree with Mihoyo, but want to find someone they can't see to blame what they dislike on. "Oh, it's marketing" "Oh, it's accounting". This is especially the case when we see Da Wei, we see the game designers, character designers, programmers, appear on stream over the years.
@@ReptilianTeaDrinkerthis is hoyoverse, a multimillionaire company with one of the worst fandoms, you really expect the people behind everything to be good? They have proved that they don’t care about the fandom, just the money and I’m gonna be honest with you, Natlan characters would look better with darker tones like Kaeya’s skin tone
not sure what qanon has to do with this BUT if you're just talking about theorizing or reading between the lines of their statements, I think it's undeniable that there was vague acknowledgement of the dissatisfaction of many players, especially spoken of in tandem with discussing the importance of travel and global awareness. Like I said in the stream and I'll say now, I don't know the reason they are speaking in the way that they are and I'm not going to conject my ideas either, only observe and point it out. Up to each player, at the end of the day.
@@dishdaily
In October 2017, an anonymous user put a series of posts on the message board 4chan. The user signed off as "Q" and claimed to have a level of US security approval known as "Q clearance".
These messages became known as "Q drops" or "breadcrumbs", often written in cryptic language peppered with slogans, pledges and pro-Trump themes."
BBC - "Qanon: What is it and where did it comes from?"
QAnon emerged on 4chan in 2017, when an anonymous poster known as “Q,” believed by Qanon followers to be a team of U.S. government and military insiders, began posting cryptic messages online about Trump’s alleged efforts to takedown the Deep State online."
ADL - "Qanon"
So by Qanon, I mean the Qanon phenomenon of back in 2016, Trump could give a stupid speech like:
"Hillary hated covfefe. Unlike me, I LOVE IT. My uncle used to tell me, Don, let me tell you about something, never drink kombucha. CAUSE CROOKED HILLARY likes kombucha. She likes it so much. Kombucha tastes bad, I don't like it. Am I right folks?"
Then the Qanon people would go like "Ah yes, kombucha here actually means illegal immigrants, so Hillary Clinton wants to bring in millions of illegals into our country!" and then they'll find some even more insane connection to the "coffee" mention that I couldn't possibly think of in this hypothetical of mine.
TLDR: I'm using the term "Qanon" as describing "Finding things, intentions, messaging as being intentionally hinted at, even when it's not actually there"
Respectfully speaking, i couldnt care about anything else (the qol, increased rewards etc) except the music performance. Absolute peak
I met some of the English cast at convention before
3:38 the moment mauvika became pikachu
Dish laugh at tuonto, zyox also make fun of him. Truly siblings moments 😂😂😂
Does she not know that dreadlocks are not black thing. Crybabies are everywhere in the chat 🤡
It's honestly insufferable the amount of gatekeeping going on for "representation". True inclusivity would mean allowing freedom for all people, not limiting small things because of their skin tone. Even if they were a black only thing, why is it a bad thing for white people to also get involved? If we want a society that coexists, then we should allow them to coexist in all ways. Not with rules that make no sense that only seems to divide. Inclusivity is being done the completely wrong way by those who claim to want it the most.
Right? Dreadlocks and braids have existed in cultures all throughout the world all throughout history. Africa, Polynesia, Ancient America, and many more.
White People with dreadlocks, where did I seen them before? Ah, the vikings.
@@massive_legend6766 Nords, didn't have dreads, they used combs to untangle the hair frequently.
dreads are originated from africa, locs are from vikings. They are similar hairstyles but they are different by both appearance and methods to from them. What the genshin npcs were wearing were (by the looks of it, so take this with a grain of salt) dreads, not locs.
Laughing at how tuonto blinks so much, it's gotta be really nerve wracking tho tbh
based jamben
Capitano's probably dying...no way Hoyo is making him a playable character 🫤
I was in the livestream and my prayers has been answered. Dish was in the livestream and said “Guys lets try to summon dish”
Thank you for this ☺️☺️☺️
I said that tehe~ 😂
Music was the best part
Apart from the ofc blatant skin tones I think this is probably the best .0 version livestream yet. The changes are minor and major and having a free 5 star helps and a 5% over rider and extra everything is just way better. They even stated there will be more characters added to the standard banner which may be a win or loss depending but all in all definitely a big win
Dish's little dance at 1:08:00 just made my whole day better somehow
I think your take on this was exactly the same as mine. I’m so surprised they addressed any sort of backlash at all and the fact that the music was so representative shows that there may be a bigger issue to do with govmt going on that we’re not even full aware of. I’m honestly excited that they really went so hard with the music, it made me so happy to see. Still hopeful for change in the future no matter what though! :)
I'm sorry but not even melanin could save Chasca's design lol her outfit is an eyesore, this is the first character design in Genshin that makes me want to look away.
true
same with jade from HSR
Oh skibdi dish oh skibdi-
1:17:52
its just such a bittersweet moment because different departments like the music one, definitely tried to be more culturally aware to the different cultures being represent, etc and then you see the environment that its in and its just really beautiful, they even added a variety of npcs of different skin color no matter how bare minimum it is but they just can't do playable ones
I was looking forward to your reaction on natlan livestream because you're one of the ccs i watch but your chat made it so unbearable to watch the twitch vod that i decided to just wait for you to upload here instead so thank you for the upload!
The thing is, Genshin has never had a problem including cultural things but this livestream especially made me think that they really only have a problem with watering it down a bit(especially the skin).
So the problem isn’t representation in general, it’s the watering down of it but they did so well on the music.
Thanks for your review of the livestream. Truth be told, I was disappointed to see bigger hoyo creators acknowledge the cultural issues less and less. Especially after the reward announcements.
I thought you had gone down that route. I apologize for making assumptions in that regard.
I appreciate you being so informative and giving your honest opinion on how things were handled.
no one actually cares about what skin color a character has
@@perseus1054 Exactly. The cultural representation is there in its full glory for everyone to see and partake in, yet so many people are focused on the most superficial aspects.
I will be honest, after the livestream, I was more hyped about the quality of life updates (And the amazing music) more than about the new nation. I do want to see if they actually listened to players feedback about the characters in future characters reveals, but I highly doubt it. I kind stopped playing Genshin as much after the Natlan characters were revealed and I don't know if this will bring back my interest in the game..
Let's go Natlan 🔥
very excited for the update! i hope they fully adress the skin.tone issue (if i understand corect its.more complicated than simply editing.skin texture) in later versions, but even jusr seeing npcs with my hairtype (dreadlocs, with multiple styles.too! very good reference for my original characters) already make.me very happy, it seem theyre doing what they can and im glad but i agreethar they can do better ❤
p.s. sorry for.bad typing, phone keyboard not so nice to me..
Extremely hilarious that they decided to implement "parkour-like" movement in Natlan instead of Fontaine.
...has to get radiance to get promo charac during your 50/50...i tink!
No. It is a 10% chance if you lose your 50/50 that it reverses and makes you win instead. Net rate for rolling 5 Star characters is 55/45
I think Kachina will be my one only Natlan character for the entire Natlan saga (Im broke) :/
That's why im saving my primogems from 4.6, I'll get the pyro archon
@@Jhoentak15 lucky you T_T
Bro they give out like 120 free roll 5.0
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As an African American in this game I always had mixed feelings about this game. While I do love the representation of the music and genres they put out for each region I do wish some of the character designs actually represented where they’re inspired from sometimes.
The live symphony was definitely the highlight of this stream for me, and even that I have a mixed bag of emotions.
On one side I am overjoyed to see the diversity and representation being featured in it and that their performance was absolutely breathtaking! 💖
On the other I'm sad because said representation can't also be said in-game. I can see the diversity yes, but why is it only limited to the NPCs (and at worse on enemies we have to fight for materials) but not the playable characters? 💔
It just further amplifies the issue that they are capable of giving people representation with grace but can't do the same when it comes to being concerned about what's marketable or not.
I mean the characters represent natlan diversity. What you see they release is natlan. Simple
@@yaemiko9969 The fact that a growing number of these people cannot discern fiction from reality is deeply concerning
@@otho69AD Y'all are quick to assume that we're complaining that the game is not 100% true-to-life with it's inspirations, when our only issue is that alot of real-life culture is being integrated yet is, for the majority, misrepresented by the wrong set of main characters.
I'm not saying that they have to fully take what they want to borrow, but they should at least not leave behind something that's crucially important to the cultures they're taking inspiration from, especially its people who've built the foundation of those cultures in the first place. They shouldn't be put to the side when they're supposed to be in the spotlight this time around.
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you probably misunderstood "they took inspiration from" and took it too seriously and too deeply
If your issue is the skin color then they already have characters that have darker skins.
@@yaemiko9969The characters you speak about have garbage gameplay and kits. They’re doing this in purpose lmao
I bet Iansan is gonna be a 4 star with insufferable gameplay too like Dehya, Cyno and Sethos
whats wrong about white people with dreads? white people invented it (vikings)
There’s a difference between dreads and locs, iirc, locs are what Viking’s wore, dreads originated from africa, or maybe it’s the other way around. But the hair style genshin had their npcs wear are definitely supposed to be dreads, locs are a lot more thin and look more matted, dreads are thick and have twists (since some versions of dreads are formed by putting Afro hair in twists and letting them mat together), so if the npcs were wearing locs, that’s fine, but those weren’t Viking locs at all
@@staryxmoonlit But that first dude we see (is that who you guys are talking about?) ain't white
pick QIQi
LOL so basically just dehya, tighnari cons LOL.
Ye but they also mentioned that they are adding more characters to the standard banner
@@meddlecat correct yes. As before, the question is when and how frequent? My bet will be seldom, and they'll start with the obsolete/ functionally retired characters. As i did in the past years, aint gonna hold my breath or my hopes up. Not anymore. That said, im staying and will keep complaining. Hehe
@@jonathan0225 They're not going to add old limited 5* to standard banner. Those will appear on the Chronicled Wish. Only new units will be added to the standard benner like Dehya and Tighnari when they first came out.
@@Feathertail2205 we'll see. Just overall skeptical. Other than that, play on folks 😁
@@jonathan0225 they legally can't add a limited banner character to the standard banner because those characters were marketed as limited.
There are the boring types of people that obsess over characters and don’t care about lore/stories. I don’t know how they can sit and watch anime 🤣🤣🤣🤦🏻♂️or even movie!
Its not acknowledgement that they wanna add dark characters because they don't have to. Nobody other than some sad souls cry about it.
None of these people talked about Disney's blackwashing and now these idots cry about a game lmao
Backwashing doesn’t exist, whitewashing has a whole history! I recommend you reading about this issue some more and why blackwashing can’t be true ❤️
@@dilay9755lol are you fr or is this sarcasm?🤔
@@dilay9755 bruh, are you for real? 🤣. If you're gonna argue saying Disney character are not real, then tell me why they are blackwashing Isac Newtown, queen Charlotte, Vikings, and lot more in the name of ''diversity''? 😂
@@yanriiyuya I am. There are lots of characters of color that have been played by white people in Hollywood/ or have gone through changes in their skin color despite being black/brown in anime/animation. And ofc nobody knows about it bc it’s normalized. I’m not an expert on this topic, so i can’t pinpoint it specifically but there are lots of video essays that are helpful to learn more about whitewashing
@@vsss4248 Maybe bc white people have been stealing for centuries and colonizing? So making a fictional world about sex between brown and white aristocrats and their love life wouldn’t hurt real life white people. However, i’ve never said it’s right to make queen charlotte or isaac newton other races though, never even watched these shows. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
I still can’t believe we haven’t gotten a singular Alice reveal yet 🫠