The last time a gm said something along the lines of, "You're ruining my scene," I noped out. A gm saying that to their players really takes the wind out of the players sails and while that game was a mess and a half, that fuckin' killed any fun that was left in that game.
@@satsebeli honestly, that gm was a bag of problems looking back at it: railroading, describing his evil npcs making out of the blue after we rescued another npc and continuing to describe it even after there were no npcs on scene...he even said my character had like, double OO cups and I was like, "no I don't"... My only regret is not taking a screenshot of everything as the entire thing was a play by text and sometimes I think back wondering if that shit actually happened
I wouldnt say ruining my scene, but when im narrating a room where i give my players agency to find something in said room or too allude to a forshadow, id perfer my players to wait before acting in the enviorment. Ive played with too many disruptive players going "you didnt say that was there" and my response is "i did but whatever you where doing seemed more important then listening to the scene". Idk the narration is for the players, i dont want to be the only one talking all night but please just wait till the scene is finished before tearing the entire room apart.
Quick Rundown on Summoners: A Summoner is a spellcaster with a customizable companion monster called an Eidolon. A Synthesist Summoner, instead of summoning the Eidolon to their side, instead merges with it in a tokusatsu-like transformation. How is this broken, you ask? When merged, the Summoner uses their Mental stats, and the Eidolon's Physical stats. It's a powerful combination, but not as broken as the Master Summoner Archetype.
Non-unchained summoner is *already* broken as hell at the skill floor. For those unaware Summoner is widely considered by Paizo itself to be a mistake because of how easy it is to make a gamebreaker with it and it was one of the classes that got an unchained version for adjustments. And then Synthesist adds an extra layer of broken to the mix by giving you cheese stats and natural attacks which bypass normal BAB procedure. I forget if Pounce is also an option.
@@Team_Orchid synthesist can be strong but has a lot of drawbacks. Master summoner just breaks by using your class abilities with no real effort. Just cast summon monster and laugh and laugh when your dm is trying to figure out how to deal with 10 buff ponies at level 3 every encounter.
Ah yes- the infernal conclusion. May The Craig Saga forever be a warning to bad DM's that being stuck in Craig's campaign could be their fate unless they change their behavior.
Ah part 3: where Craig shows he wants an audience for his "epic stories" and refuses to let the players have any fun; the railroad within the tunnel. If a DM told me "you're ruining my scene" or "don't interrupt me or else" I'm going "Okay, [flock] off then. I don't care for your Theme Park adventure." and tell him that do whatever you want to this character, they are no longer canon to me, and leave; never returning and slowly stop caring for them. Everyone has a Craig, kicking them out early is the important bit. Can't wait for Part 4 though and hear your ultimate opinion.
Its perfectly fine to want to run anime power level shenanigans IF a) your group is in on it and b) you actually give them the anime power with which to do said shenanigans. Bothering to learn the rules you want to use is also required. But expecting Beserk and getting SAO badly explained to you is not what anyone wants.
There's a lot of things to criticize here, but I'm gonna focus on one of the side points that I didn't see emphasized elsewhere: If you're going to have a big set piece battle for your players, make sure to set it up *before game.* At no point should your players be sitting around for an hour or more because you didn't have your map or enemy stats ready.
Misogynistic stuff? Meh. Controlling player agency? Meh-meh. Not taking the time to learn a system he proposed running? Meh-meh-meh. *squints* Changing the game system from pathfinder to... 4th edition...? We must immolate him! Burn! BURN! BUUUUURN!!!
The fact that one player preferred 4e over Pathfinder because of...-checks notes- monks (when he could have picked LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE) is the true horror story
i would of used the ultimate trick to defeat craig, a forbidden skill that i learned from mmorpgs. The dreaded "No you!" it counters all spells, rolls, railroading and may make lesser Game master's skulls rupture. This skill also works with the skill "Nah, I don't feel like letting that happen."
The sad thing is I can, on some level, see myself making similar mistakes to Craig. I wouldn't put a genocidal demon so much as a anti authority demon possessed blade for the O.P. to pick up. I won't deny it would hurt if the player said no, but in such a case the demon would simply say, "Then I shall wait for another more willing comrade." Because at the end of the day the player shouldn't be forced to play the way I want them to play. And if they are not having fun, then I know I won't be having fun. Edit: Also, taking control of someone's character after making them auto pass a skill check is insultingly bad, even if he gives control back for the final scene. I know Craig is supposed to be an example of what not to do, but skipping the fight is on the top of the things that make a bad villain fight. Of course, as a funny character once said, you start small, and build up to the big stuff. But given how old this story is, and how tone deaf Craig was, that advice would be lost on him.
It is weird since the last my PC has become part of a socialist gay hareem and we acquired a vampire. Not likely going to be a horror story, it is just that kind of table. I wish Craig was... not uh... creepy AF. He sounds like he wants a fascist gay hareem, not nearly a cool.
@@LordDane1986 it’s basically a brothel run as a co-op, we all own part of it and that helps to avoid all “against your will” garbage. Consent is important as is player agency.
People understand that they can just leave the table right? There is literally nothing forcing you to stay there. It is a game and without the players the game doesn't exist.
Bruh this is the true of any situation it’s powerful advice: Social situations you don’t like? Just leave! Don’t enjoy speaking to a person? Screw’em! Walk away! Think you’re in a dangerous area? Time to go!!
Lowkey though I’m pretty sure the people who post these multi part stories stick around that long just to see the stupidity unfold some more. Like the game is secondary to them compared to the drama they can talk to their friends about and post on Reddit later.
I would likely stay just to get ideas for my villains. I have stayed at stupid tables for inspiration quite a few times. I think that is part of why main character syndrome happens so often. You don’t have to do anything and can steal the characters.
that is sometimes the most frustrating part of "that guy" situations sometimes they will create characters, worlds etc, that on paper, sound amazing....only to be executed like a chimp forging a faberge egg....that it immediately tosses in a pile of his own poop
The story was a text-book example of interesting story-bad execution. Also so many points where I'd have just left the game if that happened to anything I was involved in.
I was in search of a name for a npc my players can encounter/punch/kill for a homebrew setting... hes an idiot (not using the word I want to use doing this not being my chanel and not wanting to use really bad words), corrupt and simply not nice. Now, after hearing this story, I will name him Craig... maybe one of my player will recognice him, maybe not. Lets wait and see XD
RUclips does this because bots, apparently. Instead of actually fixing the problem, they put a dirty, bloody bandaid on it by randomly unsubsctibing people from channels.
They went from playing pf2e which is arguably a better system then any modern incaration of dnd, to then play dnd 4e an eddition that is so convoluted and so poorly recieved. Wow. Ik no dnd is better then bad dnd, but id rather play bad dnd then awful dnd. Wait until everything on the board has a passive effect that triggers which triggers another effect from an enemy but ahha my teammates ability triggers etc etc.
"Players weren't allowed to read the rulebooks." Damn strait. I run a unique fully customized system every time I start a campaign. Both of my play groups love it because the game is full of surprises even after some of us have played for 30+ years. The players handbook was a curse on DND lol. More options is a nice way of saying limited options.
The last time a gm said something along the lines of, "You're ruining my scene," I noped out. A gm saying that to their players really takes the wind out of the players sails and while that game was a mess and a half, that fuckin' killed any fun that was left in that game.
It's a sign of heavy railroading imho
@@satsebeli honestly, that gm was a bag of problems looking back at it: railroading, describing his evil npcs making out of the blue after we rescued another npc and continuing to describe it even after there were no npcs on scene...he even said my character had like, double OO cups and I was like, "no I don't"...
My only regret is not taking a screenshot of everything as the entire thing was a play by text and sometimes I think back wondering if that shit actually happened
I wouldnt say ruining my scene, but when im narrating a room where i give my players agency to find something in said room or too allude to a forshadow, id perfer my players to wait before acting in the enviorment. Ive played with too many disruptive players going "you didnt say that was there" and my response is "i did but whatever you where doing seemed more important then listening to the scene". Idk the narration is for the players, i dont want to be the only one talking all night but please just wait till the scene is finished before tearing the entire room apart.
Quick Rundown on Summoners: A Summoner is a spellcaster with a customizable companion monster called an Eidolon.
A Synthesist Summoner, instead of summoning the Eidolon to their side, instead merges with it in a tokusatsu-like transformation. How is this broken, you ask? When merged, the Summoner uses their Mental stats, and the Eidolon's Physical stats.
It's a powerful combination, but not as broken as the Master Summoner Archetype.
Non-unchained summoner is *already* broken as hell at the skill floor. For those unaware Summoner is widely considered by Paizo itself to be a mistake because of how easy it is to make a gamebreaker with it and it was one of the classes that got an unchained version for adjustments. And then Synthesist adds an extra layer of broken to the mix by giving you cheese stats and natural attacks which bypass normal BAB procedure. I forget if Pounce is also an option.
@@Team_Orchid synthesist can be strong but has a lot of drawbacks. Master summoner just breaks by using your class abilities with no real effort. Just cast summon monster and laugh and laugh when your dm is trying to figure out how to deal with 10 buff ponies at level 3 every encounter.
You're telling me i could create my own Kamen Rider without homebrew this whole time?
@@Another_Hibiki Depending on how you flavor stuff there are multiple classes you can make a Kamen Rider with.
sounds like a 5e Circle of the Moon Druid tbh
We get it, Craig. You really like playing with your puppets.
I didn’t see you playing with your dolls again, sir!
@@realrealwarpet lolz (awesome reference)
They’re not dolls their action figures!
More like playing with himself
It's a pity because Craig seems to come up with cool worldbuilding elements, but fails in all other aspects of being a GM.
Yeah. it'd be awesome if he was a lot better at GMing
I know, right? He seems to actually be creative in plenty of areas, but he has to always fall back on stupid wish fullfillment and anime bs
Ah yes- the infernal conclusion. May The Craig Saga forever be a warning to bad DM's that being stuck in Craig's campaign could be their fate unless they change their behavior.
Every time I listen to the Craig Saga it depresses me that such an awesome setting idea was utterly ruined by the same person who created it.
Okay, I heard “Ledian” and immediately thought of the Pokémon.
SAME
Also this just came came back to me! Critcrab tackled this saga, and boy it's a wild ride
Okay I'm sorry, It's just i read 'wild ride' as wild rice and choked on water. So thank you for accidental serotonin.
Ah part 3: where Craig shows he wants an audience for his "epic stories" and refuses to let the players have any fun; the railroad within the tunnel. If a DM told me "you're ruining my scene" or "don't interrupt me or else" I'm going "Okay, [flock] off then. I don't care for your Theme Park adventure." and tell him that do whatever you want to this character, they are no longer canon to me, and leave; never returning and slowly stop caring for them.
Everyone has a Craig, kicking them out early is the important bit. Can't wait for Part 4 though and hear your ultimate opinion.
I love the dramatic opening
I've seen a few people do this story before but the effort you put into the recaps really help make me enjoy the story all over again lol.
Oh Craig, please change. No, please change
That recap really helped me remember this. XD
But also, Craig, when will you learn? Giving all the good Craig's a bad name.
Its perfectly fine to want to run anime power level shenanigans IF a) your group is in on it and b) you actually give them the anime power with which to do said shenanigans. Bothering to learn the rules you want to use is also required.
But expecting Beserk and getting SAO badly explained to you is not what anyone wants.
There's a lot of things to criticize here, but I'm gonna focus on one of the side points that I didn't see emphasized elsewhere:
If you're going to have a big set piece battle for your players, make sure to set it up *before game.* At no point should your players be sitting around for an hour or more because you didn't have your map or enemy stats ready.
Ah yes. You must roll a nat 20 to survive
Misogynistic stuff? Meh. Controlling player agency? Meh-meh. Not taking the time to learn a system he proposed running? Meh-meh-meh.
*squints*
Changing the game system from pathfinder to... 4th edition...?
We must immolate him! Burn! BURN! BUUUUURN!!!
BROTHER, THE HEAVY FLAMER; *I HAVE NEED OF IT.*
The fact that one player preferred 4e over Pathfinder because of...-checks notes- monks (when he could have picked LITERALLY ANYTHING ELSE) is the true horror story
@@davidspring4003 also that list of "literally anything else" includes monks but better
I'm confused. What edition are you talking about? It goes ADnD, 2nd edition, 3rd edition, 3.5 then 5th. THERE IS NO 4TH EDITION!
@@iank472 Incorrect. The actual list is: ADnD, 2nd, 3rd, 3.5, 3.5 but we got DOOM and Skyrim to run on it, and 5th.
"We quickly ran into Figaro the Hero"
Largo al factotum della citta, largo! La la la, la la la, la la la, la!
Figaro the Barber was competent, at least. And canny. A Bard true and trough.
You sounded really unenthused with having to admit Den of the Drake was a patron 😂
good vid though
Yeah I hate that nerd >:)
He didn’t even help me murder the quest giver in our newest dice goblins campaign.
@@CrowePerch wow I've never heard of someone who was bad at murderhobo-ing!
i would of used the ultimate trick to defeat craig, a forbidden skill that i learned from mmorpgs. The dreaded "No you!" it counters all spells, rolls, railroading and may make lesser Game master's skulls rupture. This skill also works with the skill "Nah, I don't feel like letting that happen."
Geez, the players are saints not to have killed Craig for even HALF of the sh*t he pulled
What did they do to my man Raiden in the thumbnail?
Fight song is the West Virginian preteen boy anthem
25:20 It would look way too silly to bring in a dingy cart to an epic dungeon.
Sometimes our inner desires should stay inward and not be projected onto a tabletop.
The sad thing is I can, on some level, see myself making similar mistakes to Craig. I wouldn't put a genocidal demon so much as a anti authority demon possessed blade for the O.P. to pick up. I won't deny it would hurt if the player said no, but in such a case the demon would simply say, "Then I shall wait for another more willing comrade." Because at the end of the day the player shouldn't be forced to play the way I want them to play. And if they are not having fun, then I know I won't be having fun.
Edit: Also, taking control of someone's character after making them auto pass a skill check is insultingly bad, even if he gives control back for the final scene. I know Craig is supposed to be an example of what not to do, but skipping the fight is on the top of the things that make a bad villain fight. Of course, as a funny character once said, you start small, and build up to the big stuff. But given how old this story is, and how tone deaf Craig was, that advice would be lost on him.
I really wanna understand why these players bothered playing with Craig.
Oh *NNNOOOOOOOOO* this lunatic is back?!?!
There's only one more part. And it's his ultimate downfall.
Saw it through CritCrab already
Sometimes i hear a phrase and have the strange impulse stop the video and listen to a specific song.
In this case it happened at 27:00
It is weird since the last my PC has become part of a socialist gay hareem and we acquired a vampire. Not likely going to be a horror story, it is just that kind of table. I wish Craig was... not uh... creepy AF. He sounds like he wants a fascist gay hareem, not nearly a cool.
Fascist gay harem - 🤡
Socialist gay harem - 💪😎
How does a socialist gay hareem even work?
@@LordDane1986 it’s basically a brothel run as a co-op, we all own part of it and that helps to avoid all “against your will” garbage. Consent is important as is player agency.
@@n0etic_f0x that sounds rad, sign me up.
Good morning/ afternoon Guardian
*impulsive desire to listen to 1 hour of Deep Stone Lullaby intensifies*
People understand that they can just leave the table right? There is literally nothing forcing you to stay there. It is a game and without the players the game doesn't exist.
That's something I don't understand either. Why suffer through all this torture when you can up and leave? Is the need to play dnd that strong?
Bruh this is the true of any situation it’s powerful advice: Social situations you don’t like? Just leave! Don’t enjoy speaking to a person? Screw’em! Walk away! Think you’re in a dangerous area? Time to go!!
Lowkey though I’m pretty sure the people who post these multi part stories stick around that long just to see the stupidity unfold some more. Like the game is secondary to them compared to the drama they can talk to their friends about and post on Reddit later.
I would likely stay just to get ideas for my villains. I have stayed at stupid tables for inspiration quite a few times. I think that is part of why main character syndrome happens so often. You don’t have to do anything and can steal the characters.
I'm guessing you're unfamiliar with geek social fallacies.
Very late to the party here, but, uh... was the concept of this game just Gurren Lagaan?
This concept could have worked... the initial one I mean... had the GM not have been a complete dip.
that is sometimes the most frustrating part of "that guy" situations
sometimes they will create characters, worlds etc, that on paper, sound amazing....only to be executed like a chimp forging a faberge egg....that it immediately tosses in a pile of his own poop
The crow boss has returned bois!
It's a shame. The pathfinder campaign and setting had some great ideas.
The story was a text-book example of interesting story-bad execution. Also so many points where I'd have just left the game if that happened to anything I was involved in.
Now I'm not one for bullying but Craig is absolutely someone I would bully.
I was in search of a name for a npc my players can encounter/punch/kill for a homebrew setting... hes an idiot (not using the word I want to use doing this not being my chanel and not wanting to use really bad words), corrupt and simply not nice. Now, after hearing this story, I will name him Craig... maybe one of my player will recognice him, maybe not. Lets wait and see XD
🦀
So you really just lied to us at the end of the video?
No dnd is better than bad dnd
hey...sorry to bring this up but i was unsuscribed from you for no reason. I'm back on but just letting you know
RUclips does this because bots, apparently. Instead of actually fixing the problem, they put a dirty, bloody bandaid on it by randomly unsubsctibing people from channels.
Ayyy welcome back :D
They went from playing pf2e which is arguably a better system then any modern incaration of dnd, to then play dnd 4e an eddition that is so convoluted and so poorly recieved. Wow. Ik no dnd is better then bad dnd, but id rather play bad dnd then awful dnd. Wait until everything on the board has a passive effect that triggers which triggers another effect from an enemy but ahha my teammates ability triggers etc etc.
Craig is just terrible
"Players weren't allowed to read the rulebooks."
Damn strait. I run a unique fully customized system every time I start a campaign. Both of my play groups love it because the game is full of surprises even after some of us have played for 30+ years.
The players handbook was a curse on DND lol. More options is a nice way of saying limited options.