I always find air to be extremely annoying to build if your not a country with masses of rubber, also I swear you have to put like majority of your factories building it to make a difference.
I usually start production on a bunch of airplanes and let there be a lack of resources until I can bumrush synthetic rubber and build a shit ton of them. I find that air, especially CAS makes a huge difference
I’d go with heavy tank, since you’re Germany you can get your armor per div with a single heavy aa tank and produce it at around 9IC. This will give you about 8-10 extra armor per div and you’ll be unstoppable till 42. Also if you add a second aa tank and a support aa company the ai just stops using airforce
Honestly... tempted to do this next time I play. Air zones are so annoying to deal with and are possibly the part of the game most in need of an overhaul. Some map regions are next to impossible to effectively launch aircraft effectively from - and the AI never seems to have the same problem, making me wonder if there's some bodged coding going on in the background. And don't even get me started on the ridiculously broken way assigning CAS works. I had to remind myself why I don't do it recently - I assigned wings from an airport that was literally a province over from the front line and the air wing decided it should rebase on the other side of the enemy country in a NEUTRAL (but allied - they weren't involved in the war) nation out of range of the front line and thus did nothing until I realised what had happened, unassigned them and sent them back to the correct airbase to manually assign ground support. I want to love this game. Sometimes I genuinely do. But my god, Paradox, please fix these stupid 'features'. Until then I think I'm going to only have aircraft for interception and carriers and just spam AA (it breaks the AI too, they just stop flying in regions with too much AA).
Support AA company or a single unit in a division is usually enough to pierce AI. You should only make planes if you have access to rubber and nothing better to do with mills
I have heard of using a Soviet no airplane or minimalist airplane gameplay style, due to Soviet difficulty in obtaining rubber to put into airplanes. Germany has similar difficulty with obtaining rubber. Also, unlike the Soviets, Germany often suffers oil shortages, so it makes even more sense for Germany to make use of medium self-propelled anti-air battalions as a low-fuel substitute for fuel-hungry fighter airplanes, a substitute that unlike airplanes can also improve the division Armor statistic.
Unless you are going for motorized later on, there is no point to add more that 4km to the medium anti-air they will be as fast as infantry not matter what speed they have.
This Mediums SPAA strategy is really useful I went democratic Germany, formed the Central European Alliance and went to war with the USSR when they declared on Finland (and some days later on all of the Baltics and Poland), after ~a year of being on the defensive, sporadically taking some supply hubs and building my army up (120 Inf. Divisions, ~half being of the template with SPAA and 10/10 Tanks/Motorized) I began to go on the offensive, half a year later I capitulated the USSR with a ~1/8 losses ratio (~400k to ~3.000k Soviet casualties) At that time I also was at war with the British (they went fascist) and Italians; quickly capitulate them both, then saved China (Liberating all of the South, East, and Northeast of China + Manchukuo and Korea) and naval invade Japan (by this point it was mid 1942), which had ~20 divisions after I encircled their entire army in mainland Asia. - And all of that with less than ~900k casualties; As Nazi Germany I generally have those casualties during Barbaros alone All of this done by someone not very skillful and with ~100 Hours in the game (and a considerable % of those 100 hours is being AFK), so yes, very useful (and kind of OP if you ask me) strategy
Won’t it be better to get anti air battalion or support company and use a artillery medium tank instead to of anti air because of all the soft attack you would get
@@chaoticflorius you scared to be proven wrong? Come on what are you, a chick? 😏😏 If not then you should do a video show how to reform the byzantine empire in hoi4? Maybe you can use the suggest tactic
Never used air force in SP. Maybe fighters 1, simply because I had too many factories so I made 1000's of planes and forgot about them. But thats pretty much it.
Have u placed an usa worls conquest yet? And try to rush jets and super modern tanks? I dont play this game i only watch it. So might know how hard it is doing world conquest lol
im having 25 width but its melt down the enemy divs XD even tank divs from enemy from 1940 lol with improved aa M tank (85armor) feels good, i love learning from your methods haha@@chaoticflorius
Just to be sure - this is impossible to do in early game unless you have NSB, right? Without that DLC it's impossible to create medium SPAA in 1936, which I guess makes the rest impossible to accomplish as well.
Almost threw up when i heard 7 2 divisons. First time i played that it went so so so wrong. Than i went back to my good old 9 inf and 5 Arty without any anti air just some support companies. And well it works it takes very much equipment but when you get a army out with that template it destroys the allies and the soviets without air most of the time. I will never ever try to use 7 2 again.
No, i don't agree with you. The best match is the combination of infantry and close air support. If you are late China or something like it, you are unstoppable.
I mean, a anything works against AI in SP, but you really dont need to produce much to abuse how op Air is, CAS is by far the strongest thing in the entire game. CAS is absolutely not overated because how op it is, they should absolutely nerf it.
i love, how germany, the (probably) strongest nation in base game of HOI4 has smaller industry tree than poland. Man, their entire focus tree is crap compared to polish one. Paradox, explain it
@@chaoticfloriusa tip is while in the civil war is to declare war on all the dominions then annex then and rush imperial conference for cores on them and get a collab on USA
Bro litteraly starts the video by deleting all his army xp You don't have to do that. Keep you army, pump out one cav template and convert them to bigger template then
another thing i tried which made little difference but still helps is selling all the planes you start with/capture after anschluss & fate of czechoslovakia at the international market instead of deleting them. it helps get your industry kickstarted even more.
hai, u should send divs to the republacan spain to get their gold reserves to get -5% cons factories, with the german economy it's worth it every time, bye
why did you put 12 engine on your SPAA? making it expensive, also the reliability goes down... Just match the speed with your inf division = max 4 kmph
@@irkdidkd6486 ok, weird. At the begining I struggled a little bit, because I didn't had enough tanks, but after that it worked amazingly. Honestly, I am suprised it doesn't work for you 😦
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Neutral Switzerland
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Naval Russia
Italia, or Greece
Finland and annex the Soviet Union
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I always find air to be extremely annoying to build if your not a country with masses of rubber, also I swear you have to put like majority of your factories building it to make a difference.
Yeah, can be a big pain
I usually start production on a bunch of airplanes and let there be a lack of resources until I can bumrush synthetic rubber and build a shit ton of them. I find that air, especially CAS makes a huge difference
As germany you have to put like 60 factorys on planes because of the uk they have 6 billion bombers
@@floppi7098 bro I can never keep up with british air production even with more factories and resources
@@changedpace9169 exactly thats why you have to build good air attack fighters that obliterate them
Japan Only Air Challenge
> Your Army cannot leave the home island
> Historical
> Puppet Korea & others
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Bro really asked someone to amputate their legs and win a race
How is he supposed to invade others if his army is not gonna leave the home island
I’d go with heavy tank, since you’re Germany you can get your armor per div with a single heavy aa tank and produce it at around 9IC. This will give you about 8-10 extra armor per div and you’ll be unstoppable till 42.
Also if you add a second aa tank and a support aa company the ai just stops using airforce
Seems legit!
Not to mention that heavy anti-air uses only 8 units per battalion.
I feel so outa the loop since I quit playing hoi lol
It's amazing how Florius can produce videos even when he isn't home ...
Hehehe 😎
Honestly... tempted to do this next time I play. Air zones are so annoying to deal with and are possibly the part of the game most in need of an overhaul. Some map regions are next to impossible to effectively launch aircraft effectively from - and the AI never seems to have the same problem, making me wonder if there's some bodged coding going on in the background.
And don't even get me started on the ridiculously broken way assigning CAS works. I had to remind myself why I don't do it recently - I assigned wings from an airport that was literally a province over from the front line and the air wing decided it should rebase on the other side of the enemy country in a NEUTRAL (but allied - they weren't involved in the war) nation out of range of the front line and thus did nothing until I realised what had happened, unassigned them and sent them back to the correct airbase to manually assign ground support.
I want to love this game. Sometimes I genuinely do. But my god, Paradox, please fix these stupid 'features'. Until then I think I'm going to only have aircraft for interception and carriers and just spam AA (it breaks the AI too, they just stop flying in regions with too much AA).
Yeah, it can be a huge pain in the a** 💀
Just play Soviet Union :D
我懂你的感覺，空軍的戰鬥比海軍還要謎團
我往往專用防止轟炸跟隨軍團，不然很多很多的地方都要重新安排空軍，不但繁瑣又難操控
Roses are red, I fell off my chair. Florius plays germany with no air. 🔥
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I've been using SPAA in my divisions forever and people laughed at me. Now it's the "meta".
😎 It is strong
The unexpected Japanese declaration of war and your reaction to it had me rolling lmao
It's always fun when it happens 🗿🥹
I remember i tried an air heavy soviets game and got demolished. Then as italy i built a mech division with sp art and aa and clowned everyone
With then right division it works quite well!
He forgot to say and when dying Ironman historical and go
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I’m going to use this on my run tonight lol great vid as always
Hahaha, thanks 😎
Support AA company or a single unit in a division is usually enough to pierce AI. You should only make planes if you have access to rubber and nothing better to do with mills
Ok
before a week ago i played with no planes and i somehow almost always won, and when i started to use it it because too easy lmao
Hahaha
I have heard of using a Soviet no airplane or minimalist airplane gameplay style, due to Soviet difficulty in obtaining rubber to put into airplanes.
Germany has similar difficulty with obtaining rubber. Also, unlike the Soviets, Germany often suffers oil shortages, so it makes even more sense for Germany to make use of medium self-propelled anti-air battalions as a low-fuel substitute for fuel-hungry fighter airplanes, a substitute that unlike airplanes can also improve the division Armor statistic.
Yeah, and its pretty strong for nations who just have a weaker (but not too weak) Industry
Unless you are going for motorized later on, there is no point to add more that 4km to the medium anti-air they will be as fast as infantry not matter what speed they have.
true!
I really love these videos, always relaxing and fun seeing them, hope your channel grows a lot!
Thanks mate! Glad you like them 😊
Why didnt i realize this is a new vid lol
Wow first video and already love your channel. I recently got into HOI4 and it's hard but video's like these help a lot. Keep up the great work pal.
Thanks mate, nice to hear ☺️
Great videos mate. It would be nice to get your op tips and cheesy tatics on one of the bulkan nations. I find them challenging to excel at.
Sure, I think about it 😁
@chaoticflorius thanks a lot, mate, and keep up the good work ☺️
Can anyone explain to me exactly what t f happened around 1:33 ? What is this trick? Did that just... create manpower out of nowhere?
turn small division into big one. So more manpower in the field
This Mediums SPAA strategy is really useful
I went democratic Germany, formed the Central European Alliance and went to war with the USSR when they declared on Finland (and some days later on all of the Baltics and Poland), after ~a year of being on the defensive, sporadically taking some supply hubs and building my army up (120 Inf. Divisions, ~half being of the template with SPAA and 10/10 Tanks/Motorized) I began to go on the offensive, half a year later I capitulated the USSR with a ~1/8 losses ratio (~400k to ~3.000k Soviet casualties)
At that time I also was at war with the British (they went fascist) and Italians; quickly capitulate them both, then saved China (Liberating all of the South, East, and Northeast of China + Manchukuo and Korea) and naval invade Japan (by this point it was mid 1942), which had ~20 divisions after I encircled their entire army in mainland Asia. - And all of that with less than ~900k casualties; As Nazi Germany I generally have those casualties during Barbaros alone
All of this done by someone not very skillful and with ~100 Hours in the game (and a considerable % of those 100 hours is being AFK), so yes, very useful (and kind of OP if you ask me) strategy
hahaha, sounds good XD
Glad you like it :)
“Guys this division is so op!!!” *takes a year to capitulate Italy*
ok
Very nice that you took South Tyrol from Italy, you are a real Macher.
Greetings from Südtirol
Hahaha, danke 😂
Damn, i figured you were at least 50k. 100% going places
Thanks mate, hahaha
1,2 thousand hours and I still didn't know you can delete your planes from stockpile xD
A normal person never would 🤣
BASED South Tyrol annexer lol
hehehe
Won’t it be better to get anti air battalion or support company and use a artillery medium tank instead to of anti air because of all the soft attack you would get
You can, but you will feel the enemys air way more.
@@chaoticflorius prove it, you won’t.
@@flapablesteak8986 yes, you are right. I will not make a video just to prove one comment wrong 🤣
@@chaoticflorius you scared to be proven wrong? Come on what are you, a chick? 😏😏
If not then you should do a video show how to reform the byzantine empire in hoi4? Maybe you can use the suggest tactic
@@flapablesteak8986 Make a video on doing world conquest while you are weaker and everyone else is stronger than you, yo won't.
11:10 ah yes, 1940, just in time to start planning for operation barbarossa.
historical game BTW
Got to be my favourite video so far! This is essentially what I use for all my world conquests because I can’t be bothered to mess with air, lol
Hahaha, nice 🤣
Never used air force in SP. Maybe fighters 1, simply because I had too many factories so I made 1000's of planes and forgot about them. But thats pretty much it.
Hahaha
14:02 LMAO just casually midways japan in the south china sea without realising it
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Germany is usually OP in hoi4, so no suprise on that really
Ok
Ey just found the channel, I finally have someone to replace a drew durnill sized hole in my heart that was left so long ago...
Thanks mate 😎
Who needs airplanes when U can just blitz everything?! 😂 Amazing video ( I still don't play HOI4 but still enjoy watching you play !)
Hahaha, thanks 😎
tried it multiple times and I got bogged down in italy so it doesnt actually work all too well
Are you sure you made the same division + tank? If it was something else, just let me know I'd like to help 🙂 begining can be hard the first time
@@chaoticflorius yes i am personally sure, but i can't have enough material for all my troup
china just went "let those wō keep their pathetic islands"
that is a Kaiserreich reference if you didn't catch it
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I kinda wish paradox make more challenging to conquer world. Like way harder mode that makes resistance deadly!
There is a difficulty slider (that I never touch and forget exists )
@@chaoticflorius that only affects ai in giving them cheats.
This is literally my first 50 hours in the game. Minus Navy.
Hope you are having fun ^^
Have u placed an usa worls conquest yet? And try to rush jets and super modern tanks? I dont play this game i only watch it. So might know how hard it is doing world conquest lol
Sounds fun, hahaha
ur like the best hoi4 youtuber i love u so much Mr. florius
with new update the divs 7'2's cant merge infantry and artillery :|
Yeah, but you can still put them in the same division template and it works the same :)
im having 25 width but its melt down the enemy divs XD even tank divs from enemy from 1940 lol with improved aa M tank (85armor) feels good, i love learning from your methods haha@@chaoticflorius
You can do this with regular army germany. You attacked all your enemies before they even started to build up...
sure
Me every game:
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Just to be sure - this is impossible to do in early game unless you have NSB, right? Without that DLC it's impossible to create medium SPAA in 1936, which I guess makes the rest impossible to accomplish as well.
I am not 100% sure
Crazy? I was crazy once they, locked me in room, a rubber room with rats, the rats made me crazy
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I am a newer HOI4 player the only air i use is default, then i try to get xp to put anti air on my units
If it works, it works
Germany is the Master of the Land
WE NEED NO PLANES :D
Hahaha, true 🗿
12:30 you mention that this thing you are doing is banned in many mp servers. Could you name one server that does ban it?
Yes
@@chaoticflorius ok name it
i mean it depends on the host, not necessarily on the server, for example there are some hosts on hoi4 official discord server that do not allow it
2:48 You could've sent these to Spain
Never!!
You do You ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Can you do the same as any other nation? Like SU or France and still survive against Germana Armada?
I think so yes. Made it work with Manchu in a other video
When did you annex Jugoslavia?
Around the soviet war (maybe). It has been a few months 🥹
Almost threw up when i heard 7 2 divisons. First time i played that it went so so so wrong. Than i went back to my good old 9 inf and 5 Arty without any anti air just some support companies. And well it works it takes very much equipment but when you get a army out with that template it destroys the allies and the soviets without air most of the time. I will never ever try to use 7 2 again.
Nice
Hmm ... how was that? CAS is king? Not anymore 😎
Where we are going, we don't need CAS 😎
@@chaoticflorius What ever should I do without my Kaas?!? 🧀
No, i don't agree with you. The best match is the combination of infantry and close air support. If you are late China or something like it, you are unstoppable.
ok
I mean, a anything works against AI in SP, but you really dont need to produce much to abuse how op Air is, CAS is by far the strongest thing in the entire game.
CAS is absolutely not overated because how op it is, they should absolutely nerf it.
But its nice to mix up things for once 😬
I ponder if the “Australian” in this channel knows what happened to Florious the Austrian 😅 😂
He is in my basement editing videos for me 😎
What dlc did you use in this video?
Amazing video by the way
All of them. And thanks 😎
Its a horrible idea to get Anschluss ASAP, you lose a lot of factories.
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i love, how germany, the (probably) strongest nation in base game of HOI4 has smaller industry tree than poland. Man, their entire focus tree is crap compared to polish one. Paradox, explain it
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Lore of No Air Is OP In HOI4! And Here Is Why momentum 100
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honestly, Germany's claim on Puerto Rico is about as legitimate as that of the USA itself
Based, hahaha 🤣
This is cool but a wise man once said CAS is king and you need fighters to gains superiority and use cas
I challenge those believes now! 🗿
I have a question, would this work without No Step Back?
I don't see why not :)
@@chaoticflorius bro, Answering all the comments and the quality of your videos. you're an absolute gigachad.
@@kaptan_davuk 😎
No air was Op as mean as Air power was So OP
Both has ups and downs
Puerto Rico is rightful German clay 🤝
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Did you forget that medium anti air costs fuel? Thought so.
Romania.
And its like nearly nothing. Under 50 Tanks per Division 🗿
@@chaoticflorius I beg to differ. You ran out of fuel when Sea Lioning.
@@royalwolf7115 and the run was over. Guess I have to delete the video (hint: navy)
@@chaoticflorius "NOt ThE nAvY!!"-Squidward Tentacles
@@royalwolf7115 😂
thnxs for the great report
No problem ^^
I dare you to do a world conquest as Fascist UK if you want i can give you some tips
Sure!
@@chaoticfloriusa tip is while in the civil war is to declare war on all the dominions then annex then and rush imperial conference for cores on them and get a collab on USA
Was the captured italian navy strong enough to allow a naval invasion of the UK? 😮
Yes! Yes it was
why does everyone use horse for that when infantry train faster?
for the one unit spam
Just tested it out. You are right! I really didn't know that XD
gonna try and use these against germany
edit: i took a tile and got forced out of it helpp
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did ussr strat on the axis and dominated them
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Not even logistic companies. Bruh.
Bruh
Could you not just use the panles as gift to puppets to shrink their autonomy?
NO! They must burn!!
This was like my first germany play
Hahaha
Bro litteraly starts the video by deleting all his army xp
You don't have to do that. Keep you army, pump out one cav template and convert them to bigger template then
You are right. But its still more fun to delete the army
just tried this as germany. conquered all of the allies as well as the united states by 1939. op as fuck confirmed
Yeah, pretty strong 🤣
another thing i tried which made little difference but still helps is selling all the planes you start with/capture after anschluss & fate of czechoslovakia at the international market instead of deleting them. it helps get your industry kickstarted even more.
hai, u should send divs to the republacan spain to get their gold reserves to get -5% cons factories, with the german economy it's worth it every time, bye
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So basically play Germany like Mexico? inspired!
Yes! 😎
7:2s are rather shit nowadays, 21 and I believe 27 width are superior
Ok 💀
CAS still is king
Does this work for small countries?
I made it work with manchu 😬
Im disappointed that you took the entirety of slovakia das ist uncool you know😐
But still very good Video tho
💀 and thanks
How he had put artillery to this division with infantry batallion?
Old Version. Was possible before the latest DLC :)
@@chaoticflorius Thx bro, i did it and now i'll conquer the soviets in 1940
Не бывает блицкрига без авиации. Как и пехоты без артиллерии.
But i just did it 🌚
Südtirol war auch notwendig oder?
Ja
@@chaoticflorius AEIOU
bro thats so pain in my eyes how u play germany with the industry (no air is not the problem) 😭😭
Cry about it 🌚
@@chaoticflorius ngl it hurts me hahaha
Finally someone agreed with me
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Cas is still king
As long as they still have CAS (so not for long 😬)
Süd tirol was persönlich
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why did you put 12 engine on your SPAA? making it expensive, also the reliability goes down... Just match the speed with your inf division = max 4 kmph
YES 😎
nah air is good
air is just a better version of navy in every way
Depends on your ressource access
I tested this template but i did like almost no damage with it?
Maybe difference in the tank design, or under equipt?
@@chaoticflorius i had like 300 mills and used the Same Design
@@irkdidkd6486 ok, weird. At the begining I struggled a little bit, because I didn't had enough tanks, but after that it worked amazingly. Honestly, I am suprised it doesn't work for you 😦
so bascially playing like i do? (only that i remember planes exist just as i declare war)
Hahaha, yes!
why dont you use collab governments
Some times I don't wanna waste the industry, some times I forget and sometimes I don't have the time :)
Who even needs planes, anyway?
Right?!
Paratrooper only France
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Me playing hoi4:
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nice vid
Thanks 😎