Why I Play Master Duel BUT NOT The Yugioh TCG!
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- Опубликовано: 17 июл 2023
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Reasons why I play MD and not TCG.
1. Money, I enjoy being able to play pretty much any deck I want.
2. The automated system makes everything easier and makes cheating almost imposible.
3. I'm too antisocial for tournaments and or simulators that require more human interaction.
4. I do like the difference in format quite a lot.
5. Being able to play whenever I want. I could wake up in the middle of the night, say "Oh boy, 3am, time for some Yugioh!" and be playing in less than two minutes.
bro, being "anti-social" is not something to be bragging about. In the end becomes a self fulfilling prophecy, the more you say it the more it becomes true.
Number 5 is the Patrick SpongeBob meme
At least for me. #2 is the main reason I don’t play TCG, it’s beyond cheaper to build a deck on MD.
If I wanna make a Labyrnth deck for example with actual staples, I’m probably spending $400+
And that's for one deck only...Try to build a kashtira, branded, tearlaments and spright, all of them meta in the last year..and its beyond anyone's possibilities (unless you live in a place with a huge market like the USA, but even then, its still beyond what anyone but a grown man can afford)
It's nice playing in MD when I know that the effects of cards will only activate or play out as intended by the game and not my interpretation. It's nice not having to second guess or debate conditions, only try to consider them before you actually make a play. Also nice being largely able to test card interactions in Solo Mode. Hopefully the gap in cards available in MD shortens.
Ditto bro. The game does not leave things up to either player’s interpretation or misinterpretation. I hated that back when I was learning to duel IRL growing up.
prices are also a symptom of konami's terrible practice of rarity bumping card while in the ocg some of these cards are Rares or super rares
I think price is the biggest factor. Konami should have cheap copies of all cards, and also high rarity copies that are collectable and shiny. There will always be people who want their preferred deck in the highest rarity they can get, and the price will still be accessible to all for the common rarity versions.
I think I'm on the same page as you regarding literally everything you mentioned here. The main reason why I love MD so much is that it actually enables me to play YuGiOh. I've never been able to attend any local event, I'm not even sure there are more than maybe 2 or 3 places that host events like that in my half of the country.
$540 for a irl Lab deck or two events worth of saved gems. I’m going to stick with Master Duel.
I was a former top player in tcg scene. I lost tournament wins and top 8 cuts so often for people stacking and cheating. I will never do it again
The biggest difference on why I play Master Duel more then on Paper is because I don't have any friends that live nearby me anymore and they were afraid of the prices, I have one YGO Deck in case someone wants to duel me. And when I told them about Master Duel being Free, they immediately jumped on it.
The problem about some other content creators, and to an extent I can even include Hex here, is that there is a bias, and not one that it's only about them. Anyone on Twitter, Reddit or Discord can be considered an enfranchised player, someone more interested and invested than most in the game. And from some other TCGs discussion, this can be like the 10% or 5% of the population at most.
Hex very likely hits a truer point when talking about the economic hurdles of playing the game. Honestly, the thing about format doesn't hold. MtG has not just "formats" as labeled in YGO, but different ways to play. MtG players aren't exactly coming to a shop and saying, oh, this isn't Alchemy/Historic from Arena (formats that have only-digital cards, making it the most wild example) but rather checking then how much it costs to play certain things. It can be expensive, but also some EDH and even Burn decks are fine.
Speaking of getting into a shop, there's the complexity mentioned. MtG navigates better through paradigms than YGO. YGO you gotta know what you are doing, including the convo about missing triggers, but also choke points and match ups. There is also a more punishing, smaller window to do things. In MtG if you screw up a turn, sometimes you are okay. But when so many game actions have to be condensed and perfectly played in a turn or 2, it makes new casual players feel worse when they fail.
But you know what, all in all, this is something people should go to the stored or speak to only-MD players and review their answers, though I'm afraid if this is made on Twitter, you will still be catching more enfranchised players than what you may think. I think a Twitter poll would need to explicitly ask for only people who play 1 time or 2 a day, but trust me, that they are on Twitter is very different from random kid of 13 or 15yo who is about to try MD and see if they like it.
A first attempt could be: Ask only for casual and define casual (less than 1 hour daily prob), people who have played for some months now, and people who have not tried paper yet. Then ask them why have they not even tried playing in paper. For me, it's not the complexity, but the money and simply how easy it is to boot up MD for a game I don't see as my primary source of entertainment.
Also a huge factor in favor of Master Duel as opposed to the TCG that I don't often see discussed is because of the way it makes money and its environment; decks are very easy to switch out/get a return on your investment when decks become worse and cards get banned. This makes Archetypes/decks just more resilient in MD unlike in the TCG which compounds the TCG's cost problem. Take for example: Lets say your the biggest Tearlament Fan in the world you love Tear and everything about it. The Tear 0 meta was your heaven. If you invested the tons of money need to get a Tear deck in the TCG you would be hurting as that entire archetype was gutted all that money and/or time taken to make your deck is just in the garbage and recouping your losses is nearly impossible. While on MD first Konami is a lot less likely to gut archetypes so your investment (what relatively little there is compared to TCG) is a solid one. Second even if they did you can basically get a full refund on banned cards allowing you to get a lot more value out of your loss.
I tried TCG and it was the worst experience I've ever had. The community is rude and not welcoming at all. I couldn't ask what cards I hadn't seen did and they got mad or called the judge on me multiple times. It was my first time and last. I come from playing MTG and one of the most kind and welcoming communities. Yugioh players are not only bad and rude, they're terrible to the new players and just made me feel bad even for my deck choice. I will never touch another Yu GI oh cardboard card. I went back to magic and staying there
let's face it, deep inside we all love that feeling of relief when we draw maxx c in our starting hand. Specially when we draw called by along side it.
I simply do not expect to have a good time in physical tournaments because of the culture and behaviour surrounding them. If the TCG community was more welcoming, I'd probably be down.
This is the truly best take and the reason I'm also playing MD instead of wanting to play TCG its way too expensive for me to afford in the country I live. Therefore MD made my life easier to play Yugioh and also have fun without spending a single cent even on the game also the game is less grindier and less pay to win than Duel Links where you need to spend money on the selection boxes for the strongest cards or else you need to wait for 6 months or a year to get them on a box but the format is fun though to play.
I agree with damn near everything this game makes it so easy to simply get better at the game
Great points Lex.
Also, keep up the great vids.
Continue the great work that you do.👍🏿
Prices and convenience are definitely two things that factor into why I don’t and won’t play TCG. I don’t care to search for each individual card and play more for them than I do on MD. I also don’t care go through finding others to play against either.
I will admit that another reason I won’t play TCG is because of what Hex said. That being keep track of ever condition and potential play. I’m seasoned enough to keep track of most game states, but something always slips my mind and that’s why I like MD to keep track of those things for me. I have no shame in that. I also, don’t like having to leave any potential rule up to anyone’s interpretation. MD settles that!
The biggest reason why I prefer MD is simply because it brings the game to life! The music, presentation, and animations make it feel larger than life which makes a duel more exciting. IRL dueling is much more mundane/boring in my opinion.
For me, I play Master Duel because it's accessible. In my country, it is so difficult to get your hands on any meta relevant cards.
I returned to YGO when MD first came out an i looked into getting a real physical deck but that idea quickly got shot down when i looked at the prices of competitive decks, on top of that i would have to travel for any locals to play plus the issue of other people not taking care of their BO was another mounting issue. all that combined MD is just easy accessibility i can play it on my phone, tablet, computer, an console if i want an dont have to deal with other people and dont have to spend money buying a deck or traveling to go somewhere.
Playing Master Duel, I cannot imagine tracking everything and trying to follow all the rules and conditions, WITH another human, who may or may not actually be honest. Seems like a nightmare - even the other simulators online.
So because of the game itself, never mind the cost, I'd never want to play it in person.
I played during early school, and even then when the rules weren't as complex, I'm pretty sure we fumbled half the rules haha.
Like a example of the divide of MD and Paper is like the Imperm columnchange is a like I would say blatantly good change but we still get people that mainly play pepper saying "just remember" "we can't mark the Imperm column in paper". There's so much "just remember" in Paper that is annoying.
i only play master duel because yu gi oh cards almost nonexistent in my country + non of my friends like card games. and i agree with you its expensive.
This was a great video, I felt you so much on that packed between sweaty nerds in locals lmao.
I’d love to play a tcg in person, but none in my city and I generally work 2nd shift
Master duel should should have some kind of option to show player what game state there in and what effs can be activated in those game state. A lot of people don't know there's a difference between discarding and sending a card from your hand.
6:00 the exact reason why I’m terrified to go to a local.
Watched all the way through, very good video!
Thanks Neshy, I appreciate you! ^^
@@HexLex I'm deciding between a TCG Regional and the Master Duel MCS next weekend and this video has helped me make that decision. Master Duel is proving to be the future for ygo 🫡
I never know where to play Yugioh in the TCG( back in 2005 it was mostly play ground rules ) but Master Duel is my first time playing the card game with the real rules. I may not agree with the MD ban list I prefer TCG ban list but I enjoy this game.
Great video. You pretty much mentioned everything that was in my mind when I was watching MBT's video. Locals is a hit or miss even if you're not gunning for regionals or something. Its nice to know new people and all but you also gotta deal with the other negative factors like that one dumbass who is either a sore winner or loser lmao.
Anyway, again great video.
Also, waiting for your traptrix deck profile keke
I've already made the comment in the MBT video, but the release schedule in MD is good for the health of the game. It makes the formats similar, but diffrent. A lot of cards came out in TCG and OCG already power crept and irrelevant. In MD, it lets some decks shine for a while, they won't be T1 or T0, but they'll have a moment under the sun with people playing them and winning without being immediately blown out by cards released in the same set. Gothi was playable, the wierd ishizu piles, Runick pre spright, the assault synchron stuff.
A deck like mathmech was fringe and rogue in TCG, but was T1 at some point in MD and it translated to IRL play and not the other way around.
Imagine if we had fenrir/tear kash in MD, it would invalidate so many decks and strategies.
And this is why I fear kashtira XD
Spending $500 on a deck NOT including travel/stay costs… just to be washed by every player willing to pay the Extra $300 on a Tier 1 deck JUST to participate in mirrors for 2 days IF your lucky… nah I’ll stay on MASTER DUEL
A lot of the criticism MD gets is from paper players. A huge majority of that criticism is just that it's not paper Yu-Gi-Oh. Definitely weird too since TCG players haven't been happy about TCG for years
I play in the ocg, where expensive decks are below 70 usd. This makes the game really accessible for broke high schoolers and kids.
Yugioh is waaaaaaaaay too complex for me to ever want to play in paper. I like knowing a rules system is telling me what I can and can't do in master duel because in person I just wouldnt have any idea if 90% of people are actually playing their cards correctly.
You are so right about TCG. I started playing real cards after getting into master duel and one other main thing is cheating. I am not that knowledgable in Yugioh and these so called “tcg experts” keeps doing whatever they want and tell me it’s legal when I tried in master it wasn’t. However that don’t matter the match is done and he won. I can’t be asked to babysit these guys every single play to make sure they don’t cheat or misplay
I would like if they can incorporate icons around the same area as the summoning ones that show your restrictions for the turn after you activated an effect
I think it’s kind of silly that in his video MBT didn’t acknowledge the elephant in the room that is the absurd price of building a relevant deck in TCG
Price is THE reason I don’t bother with TCG.
Frankly I barely even play Master Duel anymore-once Master Duel hooked me back into YGO I just looked for other options and now just play YGO Omega, where I can make any deck I want, play with cards not in MD yet (or even TCG in the case of Rescue Ace) and best of all… no Maxx-C baby
Konami has done a great job getting me to care about Yugioh again and then also reminding me why to never stick to official content lol
I already discussed on the highlighted video that price is my main issue. If we had OCG level pricing I might be interested in meta decks in the TCG. I also don't like that there aren't always lower rarity versions of important cards, since that means you're forced to play with collectible cards, risking getting them damaged or stolen.
The card differences are interesting, while for the most part this game is in an older format, there are times where certain cards come out in MD right when or before they come out in the TCG, and TCG exclusives at times come out in it before they're even added to the OCG. The different banlist on top of that keeps it an interesting format, though also tricky to translate to the other two. Could they add in rulesets for TCG and OCG Formats as well? Sure, but I don't feel that it's necessary at this time(I'm honestly more interested in their exclusive cards than their rulesets).
The other main thing holding me back from wanting to play on paper(or "manual sims" like Dueling Book) is having to "babysit" my opponent to make sure they aren't doing things that shouldn't be, intentional or otherwise. And in a high stakes game it's also easy to slip up yourself on something and get sharked, costing a game that I might otherwise have a chance in. I've been meaning to try out YGO Omega to try out new TCG and OCG cards, but the interest in setting it up hasn't been there. Stuff like the Solo Modes, random missions and Duel Live end up motivate me to boot up MD daily even if I don' t spend a whole lot of time on it most days.
For me the main problem, apart from the prices of course, is the accessibility. Where I live there is only 1 local that hosts yugioh tournaments (and still, there is only 1 day that they host yugioh while magic and flesh and blood occupy all the other days), even buying cheap cards is hard cuz where i live (it's like, the capital of Brazil) apparently there are very few people who play yugioh (either that or they simply hide and don't interact on any yugioh related groups in social media), even buying from the rest of the country is difficult because of the shipping, I refuse to pay the price of 1 (decent) card to have just 3 or 6 cards delivered to my house.
I got into yugioh online simulators a long time ago and was always interested in playing it in paper, what made me head into buying yugioh products was master duel (and because i started to earn some money at uni).
I think you managed to say the main points of it, most people don't care about the current format being late/repetitive or anything like that, the biggest problem is needing to dedicate the little free time (and money) we have between studies, work and other hobbies just to play fewer games and with fewer options of cards and decks.
I started playing with master duel and want to stick like this, but also , thanks to it, i want to build some pet decks ,just to have them IRL, like cydra or Monarch, even those are dumb expensive for a below rogue tier deck.
Great video
Accessibility of the ocg is a very big part of the problem for me, as their not any locals near my home town, so MD is great cus I can just log in and play whenever I want and it f2p aswell
Drop some more hex lex lore lol
This is just a thought I had when I started playing the pokemon tcg live. Why doesn't yu gi oh have codes for players to use when they buy a pack from a retail store?
In the pokemon tgc, when you purchase booster packs and boxes you get a code to obtain booster packs in game as well as any accessories that came with them. You don't need to buy things irl to have playable decks in game, so these are really just a nice bonus.
I don't think this would ever happen, since the game's economy isn't built around it, but it would be a cool incentive to spend money buying cards for players who were introduced to the game through master duel.
I find it difficult to want to get into the game becasue of how expensive the cards are, but I'd think having an incentive to start building a collection could help just a little tiny bit
To play a Deck in Master Duel takes about 2 or 3 hours of your life of just playing the game(given that you're starting from scratch) but the TCG takes 2 or 3 months of saving your salary... That's the reason why I'll stick to MD
the fact that there is a possibility that i might buy a deck for 500$ then get hit by the banlist and now u can't play it anymore is why i'll never buy those cards
I own a pretty good competitive deck but nobody in my town plays yugioh and the nearest local is 2 and a half hours away, so i have played a single paper game since middle school
For me, it's much more simple, I don't have the time and I'm not interested in playing the real card game anymore. MD is just more accessible for adults with little time to play games
MD is also better to try out decks that you've never played before
Another thing why players don't switch to tcg is because it doesn't exist anywhere near they live for me personally if i even want to buy a yugioh pack I'll need to travel at least 1000km
the tcg will stay unaccessible as long as there is audience that buys those expensive cards ( i know it's second market but the sellers buy an enormous amount)
i wish you mentioned remote duels because those give a lot of accessibility to playing the tcg but understand if it feels unapproachable to most players
I can't play MD on Playstation. I get disconnects every few games. It's really annoying since I had no problems on Xbox
Can anyone correct if I’m wrong?
Isn’t the policy of Konami to not give any prize in form of money?
It would be something to bring more people to play cardboard Yugioh
In my opinion at least
I am same i play master duel probbly won't play tcg
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And then at the same time after u then spent the money the cards are banned never to be used again
I play MD because I'm a digital guy. Tangible things are dumb.
It's worth also noting that, as a gay trans woman, I'm not always made to feel welcome, respected, and comfortable in such male (particularly cis/straight) dominated spaces. (That might also be due to my geographical location, though (southeastern United States).)
You are absolutely correct on everything you said however you drifted quite a bit of MBT's statement. He never said Master Duel existing is a bad thing or that playing in Master Duel in inferior. It was all about the transition from the virtual accessable game to the real world card game and that transition is very very poorly thought out right now at this point which should not be what Konami is aiming for if they want to make the most amount of money or get more publicity.
I was a massive fan of Yugioh growing up and really enjoyed playing Masterduel when it came out and even hit top rank.
The issue for me was the meta was boring, it didn't feel like yugioh any more. Combos now are insane and go on for 10 minutes before you even get to make your first turn and when you get to go they have 3 negates and an ash blossum waiting for you lmao. Most duels are decided turn one and deck building skills could only take you so far, cause if you brick turn one you lose lmao.
Because tcg is too expensive lol
I Play TCG with Proxys with friends at the local Burguer King, but I will never pay 2.5k BR$ (Around 500 US$) for a Meta Deck to play a tournament.
Here is the funny thing... First Proxy deck I made I set a rule: "The maximum cost, if I would buy it, will be 250 BR$ (around 50 US$)". So I build the deck in a online shop, card by card. The only deck I managed to make was a Dino Deck (the main deck is cheap, the most expensive main deck card is 40 BR$, Animadorned Archsaur) NO HAND TRAPS. The full extra deck is expensive, but have cheap replacements (Savage Dragon = Evolzar Laggia).
I liked the deck, the end board is powerfull, Why not make it on Master Duel?
Well.... In Master Duel the deck is EXPENSIVE AS HELL. The deck is fully SR or UR!!!!!!!!
The only single thing I will admit is yes the card game is expensive but that's mainly how Konami makes money to stay alive over 2 decades and what Yu-Gi-Oh is most iconic for and the variety is much larger in paper cards.
Same with MTG, Weiss Schwartz or Cardfight Vanguard, nothing beats a in person game like cards or board games or games like Minecraft or console games with friends imo.
No hours, days/weeks/months or a year or more of grinding gameplay TCG all have more freedom than competitive Master Duel, MGT Arena, TFT and League Of Legends, Fortnite, and in a interaction TCG card game you can tell exactly what's going on in a duel it's so much easier to understand the effects and situation you're in and read in person.
Plus the cards are works of art in person way cooler, and honestly you would be surprised how much money people waste on unhealthy junk food and drinks, cigarettes or drugs, gambling/lottery tickets, bad or greedy people that took advantage of you, all in less than a year over a once in a lifetime investment like TCG paper cards.
The only good easy come easy go things that cost money that are worth it to me are great restaurants, Comic Con and card tournaments, movie theaters/concerts, amusement parks/carnivals/arcades, fireworks, all with family or friends or even by yourself.
I've been wondering if the TCG has been suffering due to the economy right now. It's hard to justify dropping over $500 on luxury goods when all of your necessities have gone up so much in price. And (most) decks don't stay meta relevant for long so you continuously have to fork over a lot of money to compete. One deck is like the price of a ps5 which gives you entertainment for yeats
Yu-Gi-Oh is way too unbalanced of a card game and the cards are way too expensive for me to even think of playing the TCG anymore. I'd rather use that money on Steam or GOG.
Or food. Food is good.
Mills happen instantly. Card effects don't need to be explained by a person. Solitaire is awful in MD, it's worse in the TCG. And BO3. No thanks.
"decks become cheaper once you get the staples" is a lie because of them rarity bumping things to ultra and secret so even rouge decks cost a lot of money due to main boss monster/key pieces being high rarity. plus this logic means putting all your decks in the same sleeves so you can transfer your staples from deck to deck which will also cost a lot depending on the sleeves you use. rarity collection should fix this as long as it stays how the set was in the ocg
You don't play TCG because your to good and won't lose if maxx c is banned
Pokemon is like dirt cheap to play. I think the BEST deck averages around $150
oh boy be careful. you aren't following the hive mind of absolute idiots so you're likely to recieve some death threats because you prefer not playing irl.