yup so move on from 2 of them send a message dont keep hoping on guys who dont care half the time , and dont reward them at the end by giving them a fat new contract can get alotttttt of good good pieces for marner and willy even tho i want willy to stay this has to happen not just 1 we need 2
@@jasonc5138 they can get a king's ransom for him before they extend him because in a month there will be 31 losers looking to up their game and let's face it, he seemed disinterested at times in the 2nd round.
Austons and Marner full trade clause kicks in at the same time July 01 good work done by both agents ,they don't sign a extension before the due date I would trade both players and start fresh
@@aaamm4010 What kind of trade can be made? I would go to each of the 3 and say who wants to stay and for how much and if its anywhere close to 13 Million TRADE THEM AND GET THE BEST YOU CAN
@@sukhjitsingh8269 I agree this is getting ridiculous players getting paid so much and producing very little ,this core 4 will never work Dubas really messed things up
Why does the Toronto media think Matthews is worth $14m? MacKinnon is a better player and his new cap hit is $12.6M; that should be the ceiling for Matthews. But seeing as I'm not a Leaf's fan, I hope they give him $14M+!
My man Sid won his first Cup in his fourth season to become the youngest Captain to win the Cup in NHL history. After making the SC Finals the previous season, his third. 18 years old 100 point season. 19 years old Scoring Champion 21 Years old Cup Champion. :)
Syd was well insulated. He had multiple veterans on his teams including Mario Lemieux. It's not a comparison. these young stars today are having to carry their teams. If Pavel Datsyuk were around Syd those years they faced the Red wings, 87 would not have won those cups. Look it up. Datsyuk whooped him.
Die hard leaf fan , all my life..54 yrs old...and unfortunately I've passed this disease on to my two sons , 29 and 25...sorry boys...moral of the story...I am not giving matthews 14 ×8....period....trade him.....
As a Representative of The Columbus Blue Jackets I would like to Offer You our 2-1st Round Picks this year and our 1st Round Pick Next year along with Centermen Jack Roslovic for Auston Matthews!!!
It's hilarious how unspeakable it is to trade Matthews. It's disrespectful to other players in the league. I would take Hischier and Bratt from New Jersey for Matthews and Marner, let alone Hughes and Meier. There are other forwards and defensemen who contribute as much or more to winning hockey out there than the beloved Matthews and Marner. Sell high. Don't get locked in to crazy contracts with no trade clauses with guys that have shown what they are when it matters.
What genius gave Matthews and Marner no move clauses while paying them tops in the league? Oh, the same guy who got rid of an affordable hard nosed 2nd line center for Kerfoot and replace him at twice the price with Tavares. Huh, there's no way this same GM brings on injury prone goalies only to pay valuable futures to get rid of these goalies. Or, paying a 1st to get rid of one season of Marleau, yet Marleau apparently had enough value to be traded after the fact. Fans think there's no future without Dubas at the helm. Sadly, if he comes back and trades just one of the core...let's say Marner or Nylander, it's really no different then running it back another season.
How many futures did Dubas give up for one playoff of Foligno and O'Reilly? Oh right, Foligno barely played and ROR has no plans to return here, even if Leafs could afford him. How about Muzzin...what was the price for getting him? Dubas isn't half the GM many think. Simply look at the team he inherited and where they are now. This team could have been a perennial contender, but Dubas married himself to the core...no matter what kind of effort they gave. Only now, when his job is gone is he even contemplating running back something different. Yet, as I stated in my other comment, simply trading one of the core IS running it back. What a mess. New GM and coach is really needed. Yet, it's the Leafs, they'll end up making Leafy decisions.
Everyone and their dog knew the Leafs needed a 1st pairing D back in 2018. Nope, not under Dubas' watch. He wanted another overpriced forward and bargain bin shopping forever more.
To buyout Murray only costs the Leafs $687,500 on the cap this yr and $2,000,000 next yr when the cap is projected to go up considerably. There's no need to give up a high quality asset to move trade him. If it's a late pick to move him fine, otherwise a buyout is an acceptable plan B.
In so many ways the Toronto Market and everything that goes with it....Media, Fans, an undeserved and desperate sense of entitlement... (and all the pressure and expectation that it brings) is what seems to drive poor management and hockey decision making. I know It's a different game and business model now to the days of GM's like Bow-Tie Bill Torey but the Isles team of the 80's is a text book example of how a team should be built and coached to win. The Isles had to suffer 5 years of heartbreaking losses (4 conference finals and 1 conf semi)....in series they could have and maybe should have won, in order to learn to win...and win as a team...to have that indomitable mentality that made them winners. Adding Butch Goring in a steal of a trade was the last piece of the puzzle that got them their. But they already had guys like Nystrom, Trottier, Bourne, Potvin, Henning, Lorimar, Morrow, Gordie Lane, a young D. Sutter, Tonelli, Gillies, and of course a 50+ goal scorer in Bossey who took all sorts of abuse in front of the net. Winning formuals come in many shapes and forms...and yes its different league, different game and and different business challenges, but that is a team that should be in the first chapter of any GM's handbook. In some ways it feel like there is this underlining current of the Leafs wanting to be a dynasty that gets in the way of them doing the hard...gut check work...of being a team that simply really hard to play against game in and game out. I don't think this current corp of players is capable of being hard enough on themselves to learn from losing....not in a way that Bossey, Trottier, Nystrom, Tonelli, Potvin, Smith and everyone on that Isles team was...and they dont have those player's character. I keep hearing this term player's coach...it drives me mad...talk to players from the Islanders or Canadiens of those 9 years of combined cup wins...None would say Arbour or Bowman were "players coaches". Players these days are so entitled and enabled...almost to the point of being "uncoachable"...makes me wonder about the situation in Calgary in terms of Players not wanting to be be coached a certain way. But it's the teams with the most, or perhaps best combination of character that end up winning the cup. Tampa Bay is a good recent example for GM's and ownership to pay attention to. Leafs had a team with character in 93 and 94 and they came close...this recent Leafs team cant hold a candle to that Leafs team...a team that had only 3 players over 50pts in the 93 season. I also get why a lot of players don't like to play in Canadian Markets...and often flourish after leaving a Canadian market to play where there isn't the 24/7 scrutiny....It's often the same for coaches...look at Paul Maurice who is flourishing in Florida after being fired in Toronto and leaving on his own accord in Winnipeg...just some thoughts.
They need to sign Tyler Bertuzzi to play in the top 2 lines to change the chemistry of the top lines he adds toughness and can score. The top 2 lines is too soft.
its not so much his camera but he actually needs a softlight or 2 in front and on the side of him like Dregs is doing and cover his window, he is using a warm ceiling light in this video and thats the worst lighting possible in a video..at least his audio is good lol
Well Matthew's has to go this year or he walks for nothing. Nylander will probably be traded. I don't see Marner going yet. Leafs are stuck with Tavares.
A reasonable contract is a tradeable contract. The leafs are not taking less just to be traded. If they want to move, they let their contracts expire and they control where they play.
The Leaf ownership needs to start@ the top and roll on down…………… 6 years proves that this “ core” group can’t get it done when the playoffs roll around…….👀🙄🤢🤮 When a 8 seed team spanks you ( again) that speaks volumes…………… Tampa& Boston handed the leafs the golden opportunity and they blew it…………..( not a shocker.!!!!) This team is cursed.
its not a curse...its an entire culture issue that exists in that Market and organisation...starting back to the circus of the Ballard years...a culture that Shanahan and Babcock were supposed to change...and they did to some extent bringing the Leafs to respectability...but as wrote above...the media culture, fan culture...undeserved sense of entitlement to be a dynasty team gets in the way of building a culture of character that it takes to win.
Not if they trade now before the draft but like always they will do nothing. They will really have to trade at least two Star players for best offers to get really good haul. Hell they could maybe even get Bedard if they would give mathews to Chicago. They just have to have guts to make big trades.
RAY! If they give Matthews 14 x 8 I'm gone. The cap with never go up. This is just what the media wants us to think. Because it caters well to all of the tax free states to have a lower cap. And those tax free states need to grow the game of hockey. They need to carve bigger shares of the sports landscape. The leafs have nothing to carve. Edmonton and montreal alike. Raising the cap is a pipe dream.
Nope. He will try and squeeze Toronto for every dime. He isn't a team player He will ask 15mil but won't go lower than 13.5mil. If Toronto does give him the 13.5 they will continue their losing ways in the playoffs.
Dallas are pretenders. Vegas may sweep them and fight it out vs Carolina and win in six for the cup in Eichel first playoff. Sickening. I want to see vegas play buffalo in the finals next year and see buffalo win. Could happen.
I'm a Blue Jackets fan that wanted Eichel so bad!! Everyone laughed at me saying Eichel isn't an elite talent, he's a locker room cancer, how's he gonna play after surgery, he's not as good as Matthews or McDavid.... But Who's Laughing now assholes?? Who's laughing now as Eichel's about to bring Vegas a Cup in his 2nd Year!!!
The Leafs core just doesn't show up when it matters
yup so move on from 2 of them send a message dont keep hoping on guys who dont care half the time , and dont reward them at the end by giving them a fat new contract can get alotttttt of good good pieces for marner and willy even tho i want willy to stay this has to happen not just 1 we need 2
Legacy of failure
Yes it does
Leafs need to adjust their puck control team strategy. They need net crashers and shut down defence.
why would you want to give a guy 14 million AAV when he disappears when games really mean something?
I don't think he's delivered in the playoff's for the last 5 years and why would you pay 14 Million for a regular season that does not matter
@@jasonc5138 they can get a king's ransom for him before they extend him because in a month there will be 31 losers looking to up their game and let's face it, he seemed disinterested at times in the 2nd round.
Austons and Marner full trade clause kicks in at the same time July 01 good work done by both agents ,they don't sign a extension before the due date I would trade both players and start fresh
@@aaamm4010 What kind of trade can be made? I would go to each of the 3 and say who wants to stay and for how much and if its anywhere close to 13 Million TRADE THEM AND GET THE BEST YOU CAN
@@sukhjitsingh8269 I agree this is getting ridiculous players getting paid so much and producing very little ,this core 4 will never work Dubas really messed things up
Why does the Toronto media think Matthews is worth $14m? MacKinnon is a better player and his new cap hit is $12.6M; that should be the ceiling for Matthews. But seeing as I'm not a Leaf's fan, I hope they give him $14M+!
Matthews isn't a $7 Million player. Trade him, in exit scrum he was all smiles and laughing. He doesn't care.
My man Sid won his first Cup in his fourth season to become the youngest Captain to win the Cup in NHL history.
After making the SC Finals the previous season, his third.
18 years old 100 point season.
19 years old Scoring Champion
21 Years old Cup Champion. :)
Syd was well insulated. He had multiple veterans on his teams including Mario Lemieux. It's not a comparison. these young stars today are having to carry their teams. If Pavel Datsyuk were around Syd those years they faced the Red wings, 87 would not have won those cups. Look it up. Datsyuk whooped him.
Leafs have been crippled by the contracts given to the core 4 and now Rielly. They'll never go anywhere until they can fix that.
Die hard leaf fan , all my life..54 yrs old...and unfortunately I've passed this disease on to my two sons , 29 and 25...sorry boys...moral of the story...I am not giving matthews 14 ×8....period....trade him.....
As a Representative of The Columbus Blue Jackets I would like to Offer You our 2-1st Round Picks this year and our 1st Round Pick Next year along with Centermen Jack Roslovic for Auston Matthews!!!
Crosby won the cup in his 4th year.
10 for ov.
@@caperbay4106 actually, took OV 13 seasons.
I was gonna say, it felt like Sid won a lot sooner than year 6 or 7
It's hilarious how unspeakable it is to trade Matthews. It's disrespectful to other players in the league. I would take Hischier and Bratt from New Jersey for Matthews and Marner, let alone Hughes and Meier. There are other forwards and defensemen who contribute as much or more to winning hockey out there than the beloved Matthews and Marner. Sell high. Don't get locked in to crazy contracts with no trade clauses with guys that have shown what they are when it matters.
MY feelings exactly...
If they sign Mathews, that will guarantee that they’ll not win the cup in those 8 years.
What genius gave Matthews and Marner no move clauses while paying them tops in the league? Oh, the same guy who got rid of an affordable hard nosed 2nd line center for Kerfoot and replace him at twice the price with Tavares. Huh, there's no way this same GM brings on injury prone goalies only to pay valuable futures to get rid of these goalies. Or, paying a 1st to get rid of one season of Marleau, yet Marleau apparently had enough value to be traded after the fact.
Fans think there's no future without Dubas at the helm. Sadly, if he comes back and trades just one of the core...let's say Marner or Nylander, it's really no different then running it back another season.
How many futures did Dubas give up for one playoff of Foligno and O'Reilly? Oh right, Foligno barely played and ROR has no plans to return here, even if Leafs could afford him. How about Muzzin...what was the price for getting him?
Dubas isn't half the GM many think. Simply look at the team he inherited and where they are now. This team could have been a perennial contender, but Dubas married himself to the core...no matter what kind of effort they gave. Only now, when his job is gone is he even contemplating running back something different. Yet, as I stated in my other comment, simply trading one of the core IS running it back.
What a mess. New GM and coach is really needed. Yet, it's the Leafs, they'll end up making Leafy decisions.
Everyone and their dog knew the Leafs needed a 1st pairing D back in 2018. Nope, not under Dubas' watch. He wanted another overpriced forward and bargain bin shopping forever more.
To buyout Murray only costs the Leafs $687,500 on the cap this yr and $2,000,000 next yr when the cap is projected to go up considerably. There's no need to give up a high quality asset to move trade him. If it's a late pick to move him fine, otherwise a buyout is an acceptable plan B.
Send him to Robidas Island! :)
Muarry was a waste
In so many ways the Toronto Market and everything that goes with it....Media, Fans, an undeserved and desperate sense of entitlement... (and all the pressure and expectation that it brings) is what seems to drive poor management and hockey decision making. I know It's a different game and business model now to the days of GM's like Bow-Tie Bill Torey but the Isles team of the 80's is a text book example of how a team should be built and coached to win. The Isles had to suffer 5 years of heartbreaking losses (4 conference finals and 1 conf semi)....in series they could have and maybe should have won, in order to learn to win...and win as a team...to have that indomitable mentality that made them winners. Adding Butch Goring in a steal of a trade was the last piece of the puzzle that got them their. But they already had guys like Nystrom, Trottier, Bourne, Potvin, Henning, Lorimar, Morrow, Gordie Lane, a young D. Sutter, Tonelli, Gillies, and of course a 50+ goal scorer in Bossey who took all sorts of abuse in front of the net. Winning formuals come in many shapes and forms...and yes its different league, different game and and different business challenges, but that is a team that should be in the first chapter of any GM's handbook. In some ways it feel like there is this underlining current of the Leafs wanting to be a dynasty that gets in the way of them doing the hard...gut check work...of being a team that simply really hard to play against game in and game out. I don't think this current corp of players is capable of being hard enough on themselves to learn from losing....not in a way that Bossey, Trottier, Nystrom, Tonelli, Potvin, Smith and everyone on that Isles team was...and they dont have those player's character. I keep hearing this term player's coach...it drives me mad...talk to players from the Islanders or Canadiens of those 9 years of combined cup wins...None would say Arbour or Bowman were "players coaches". Players these days are so entitled and enabled...almost to the point of being "uncoachable"...makes me wonder about the situation in Calgary in terms of Players not wanting to be be coached a certain way. But it's the teams with the most, or perhaps best combination of character that end up winning the cup. Tampa Bay is a good recent example for GM's and ownership to pay attention to. Leafs had a team with character in 93 and 94 and they came close...this recent Leafs team cant hold a candle to that Leafs team...a team that had only 3 players over 50pts in the 93 season. I also get why a lot of players don't like to play in Canadian Markets...and often flourish after leaving a Canadian market to play where there isn't the 24/7 scrutiny....It's often the same for coaches...look at Paul Maurice who is flourishing in Florida after being fired in Toronto and leaving on his own accord in Winnipeg...just some thoughts.
They NEED a change and they SHOULD find someone with a Wendel Clark personality to LEAD the team. JT should not be captain
They need to sign Tyler Bertuzzi to play in the top 2 lines to change the chemistry of the top lines he adds toughness and can score. The top 2 lines is too soft.
Like it or not, the Leafs will give Marner and Matthews whatever they want. AndNylander will be an own rental who walks for nothing next July.
Enjoy the show guys. Get a new camera Ray. Please!
its not so much his camera but he actually needs a softlight or 2 in front and on the side of him like Dregs is doing and cover his window, he is using a warm ceiling light in this video and thats the worst lighting possible in a video..at least his audio is good lol
Yes it does
It's hard to take another year Lord Stanley stays South of the border ....
Martin St Louis managed to go around 6 trees.
If its the same, Leafsnation should riot.
With the right pivot this team can be better placed for olayoff success.
Well Matthew's has to go this year or he walks for nothing. Nylander will probably be traded. I don't see Marner going yet. Leafs are stuck with Tavares.
A reasonable contract is a tradeable contract. The leafs are not taking less just to be traded. If they want to move, they let their contracts expire and they control where they play.
Mitch marner shouldn't be back next season
What if Florida wins the cup. Maybe they are closer than it appears
Please increase Rays salary so he can afford a new laptop 💻
The leafs are one year behind the oilers in the rebuild
The Leaf ownership needs to start@ the top and roll on down…………… 6 years proves that this “ core” group can’t get it done when the playoffs roll around…….👀🙄🤢🤮
When a 8 seed team spanks you ( again) that speaks volumes……………
Tampa& Boston handed the leafs the golden opportunity and they blew it…………..( not a shocker.!!!!)
This team is cursed.
its not a curse...its an entire culture issue that exists in that Market and organisation...starting back to the circus of the Ballard years...a culture that Shanahan and Babcock were supposed to change...and they did to some extent bringing the Leafs to respectability...but as wrote above...the media culture, fan culture...undeserved sense of entitlement to be a dynasty team gets in the way of building a culture of character that it takes to win.
Ferraro should coach the Leafs!
Bring in Bruce as coach. He's always wanted to come here anyway
CROS WON IN YEAR 3!
Didn't Matthews have Arizona Coyote pajamas
Too bad Arizona is about to get shipped to Houston, Salt Lake or Kansas City now after the Stadium Bid just lost the vote!!
I'm afraid Toronto may have peaked....they have traded away too many picks and prospects and they don't have enough for the bottom 6 or the blue line.
Not if they trade now before the draft but like always they will do nothing. They will really have to trade at least two Star players for best offers to get really good haul. Hell they could maybe even get Bedard if they would give mathews to Chicago. They just have to have guts to make big trades.
@@oggamer735 Bedard for Matthews? This is... Wow. Simply insane. You guys really live into a bubble eh.
RAY! If they give Matthews 14 x 8 I'm gone. The cap with never go up. This is just what the media wants us to think. Because it caters well to all of the tax free states to have a lower cap. And those tax free states need to grow the game of hockey. They need to carve bigger shares of the sports landscape. The leafs have nothing to carve. Edmonton and montreal alike. Raising the cap is a pipe dream.
Matthews will be 12.75 x 8
Nope. He will try and squeeze Toronto for every dime. He isn't a team player He will ask 15mil but won't go lower than 13.5mil. If Toronto does give him the 13.5 they will continue their losing ways in the playoffs.
Trade matthews
Core will not get past the first round
Dallas are pretenders. Vegas may sweep them and fight it out vs Carolina and win in six for the cup in Eichel first playoff. Sickening. I want to see vegas play buffalo in the finals next year and see buffalo win. Could happen.
I'm a Blue Jackets fan that wanted Eichel so bad!! Everyone laughed at me saying Eichel isn't an elite talent, he's a locker room cancer, how's he gonna play after surgery, he's not as good as Matthews or McDavid.... But Who's Laughing now assholes?? Who's laughing now as Eichel's about to bring Vegas a Cup in his 2nd Year!!!
Darren Dreger is such an NHL ass kisser!
Carolina in 5 games
Marner needs to go..so many giveaways and he plays like crap when it matters most....
You wouldn't have made it out of the 1st round without him... so there's that...😂