Crikey! I was coming across your videos from time to time for years. And I always used tyrereviews.com before I went ahead buying something. I never ever realised before that this channel has the same logo :) Normally I don't subscribe but knowing this, here you go. I click that button! ;)
What I didn't see/hear during the review was the differences in rubber (used); winter tire rubber is grippier than summer or all-season, which leads to better winter grip but unsustainable use in warmer climates (necessitating winter and summer tires). What might be the best alternative for four season tires which is the most practical choice (unless heavy/heavy winter use/need).
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@@Traumatree I am sorry that you have been fed with misleading information, All-terrain tires (mountain snowflake certified) USUALLY outperform budget and medium-priced winter tires (which is what most people will be getting for seasonal tire swaps anyway), but they are slightly worse than premium winter tires. Most Mud terrains excel in the sand, mud, and rock crawling traction, most of them however is M+S certified and will perform similarly to All season M+S tires. All-weather tires on the other hand are usually snowflake certified as well, but this video lacks extensive comparison on these subjects therefore misled you into believing that off-road and mud tires are crap in the winter which is not true at all. Stop spreading misinformation
@@kpokfposkf The M+S label on some A/T and M/T tyres is exactly why I'm so interested in such a test, though to be fair, he's limited to the model line of the supplier for this particular test set. Would have been an even better video if there were 2 more tyre models, an A/T and a M/T with the M+S or Snowflake Symbol.
Haha. Pretty shocking that THE end-all, be-all tire guy for tire reviews and applications actually was wondering about this and thought the off road tires might be the best. Also, no mention as to WHY the off-road tire has always been garbage in the snow: The large blocks in the off road tire are designed to eject rocks and shed mud. They are made to be "self-cleaning". A tire packed with mud will get no traction while still in mud. They become bologna skins, if they can't shed mud. Snow tires, have what is called "siping". Sipes, are the tiny angled and squiggled lines in all terrain tires and oft times short, straight lines in snow tires, albeit with MANY more of them. Those little lines (sipes), will pack full of snow and protrude from the surface of the tire. When the tire moves, the snow in the tires gains traction by adhering to the snow on the ground. Much more traction is gained by the snow on snow contact than by the tire itself. That's why snow tires always look like they are filled with snow. Tire engineering, compound content, design and testing, is an incredibly complicated business and this is a dime-store tour, of just one aspect of how two styles of tires relate to one meteorological condition. However, no one i know that lives in the north-east, that has used off road tires, snow tires, and all terrain tires would have thought there was even a need for this test. All this being said, this guy is the bees knees, with tire reviews. I have liked every one I have seen from him.
In my neck of the woods (Seattle area), I think the information in this test is much needed. Snow is uncommon in the city, but very common 40 miles away in the mountains. My winter entertainment is pulling stuck 4x4s out of the snow. Many of the drivers can't seem to believe that their mud tires are not the best thing in deep snow. An even worse example is my sister who lives on the Idaho / Washington boarder where it gets much colder and snowier than in Seattle. Last winter she got new tires for the 4x4 that she uses to deliver mail all winter in the snow. She asked for the best tires for snow and ice, and they sold her aggressive all-terrain tires. After the first snow, she was very disappointed and worried about her safety. I encouraged her to get real winter tires, and fortunately the tire shop was willing to exchange the all-terrain tires. Of course, she liked the winter tires much better. Anyway, even tire store employees can have the misconception that aggressive off-road tires give the best traction in snow. So, I think videos like this are very helpful -- it would be great if tire store owners in areas that get snow required every new employ to watch it.
Sometimes we have to tell a story in a video, it wouldn't be much of a film if I started with "Winter tyres are definitely better than MT tyres the end" ;D Thanks for the kind words though, I'm glad you enjoy the content, I love making it.
@@andrewsnow7386 I also live in Seattle but I’m moving to Utah. Seattle area can get really dangerous in the winter because of all the steep hills and the roads seem to ice over badly when it does snow because it’s wet snow. Personally I like to get all season tires and have them siped for $85 which makes for much better ice/snow traction. It’s still not a winter compound but I can run them year round and for the occasional snow and ice we get around here, it seems a good compromise. I will test them out in Utah this winter but I will avoid the ski hills on heavy snow days. My Prius has limited ground clearance. I’ll likely be trading it for a RAV 4 next season.
@@mylesgray3470 I agree with you 100%. Wet compact snow and ice, at say 34 F (1 C) ,is significantly slipperier than when the snow/ice is "dry" at a colder temp like 20 F (7 C). Because snow is not very common here, even in the foothills where I live (snow on the roads probably averages a day or two per year), I also don't have real winter tires for my in-town car. But, based on an old video by Tyre Reviews, I put Vredestein Quatrac 5 tires on the car. My theory is that molded in sipes should be just as effective as cut ones, and that the mountain-snowflake rating probably means they have a better compound for winter than most other all-season tires. Note though, when there is the possibility of snow, I still carry the ultimate weapon -- tire chains.
You did say there was a lot of upcoming content, and you really are leading the way in these tests and giving data like no one else. Fantastic every time! Top job mate.
On my truck I run mastercraft courser mxt off-road, and I use goodyear wrangler all terrains for daily driving and snow driving. People have tried telling me the mud tires should do just fine in the snow, but that was never my experience. Now I have your video to show them to back up my position. Well done.
man this guy's driving is amazing to watch lol as he casually talks to the camera he's just drifting through corners almost touching the snow walls a if he does this every morning before breakfast
Thankyou for for not dragging out the information, very well edited and great host. Only 125k subscribers is surprising for such a professional channel
Great test!! I think you do the best tire testing on the internet. Keep up the good work! Also was not only surprised when I saw the test vehicle being a Chevy Tahoe, but also seeing the Dodge Ram out on the road test!
So glad someone has actually done an in depth test on this subject. I speak with so many 4x4 owners who go mud terrain or all terrain thinking that they will still perform in winter conditions. They will even say the tires do well comparing their experiences with other mud/all terrains. Unfortunately many have never tried actuall winter tires and don’t realise what they are losing by sticking with mud/all terrains. I think manufacturers are a little to blame here, as consumers are led to believe anything with a snowflake symbol is a true winter tyre but from what I’ve read the snowflake symbol test is not particularly difficult to achieve. Anyways great test as always, hopefully it will really help people make good informed tyre choice and keep them and others safe. 👍👍
I do not like SUV but when Tyre Reviews do a test, no matter the car, the feeling and explanation of Jonathan are always complete, clever and can be understand by everybody. Great video and excellent work.
I used Grabber AT3 on my RWD sprinter camper van in Scandinavia during winter (all the way through the arctic to nordkapp in Sweden, Norway and Finland) they are excellent tires for all season overlanding in a heavy rig with proper balanced weight on the drive axles, especially as you air them down a bit they dig so well into deep and compact snow! really impressed!
You told me in another vid this one was coming out and it didnt disappoint. Kudos to all your hardwork and dedication to the channel. The hst60 will definitely be on the list now when it comes to new truck tires thanks so much
As always a great review! I love to see you getting the support from a proper tire company! Lets hope you get more support from other companies, they need this kind of detailed review! Still waiting for the FWD all-weather tire vs winter, i know when that hits itll be just as good!
Great comparison we've been waiting for. It clearly show the differences between winter and all-season off-road tires. And haters cannot fully hate because Arctic, APT and A/TX is still not available in EU (as far as I know) so it is hard to say it's pure advertisement. :) Thanks.
I'd like to see this done again but take the best and the worst tire, then start adjusting air pressure up and down to see if it improves or decreases performance.
Living in western PA, this winter test along with the other test for HT, AT and MT tires helped me make the decision on the ATX for my '18 GMC Sierra. I was torn between the APT and the ATX. To use a food analogy, my eyes are bigger than my stomach and I do a lot less driving off road than my initial estimate. I mean A LOT less, so I probably could of gone with the APT and been totally happy. No complaints with the ATX in dry, wet or snow conditions on my truck, with my driving style and my location.
You said it was coming! Great work. I've known for a great while that the actual mud tires are trash in winter, friends have done this and learned the hard way. But I was a bit shocked the all terrains didnt do as well. I've known a good few that do great, but maybe its not always the case.
last winter I ran a set of brand new goodyear wrangler fortitude HT on my gmc sierra and it was somewhat manageable in Canadian winter. this year, after 100k km, the wranglers were just not cutting it any more in the first real snow here. switched them for a set of hankook ipike rw11 studless, and the improvement on snow and ice were significant. dry pavement performance dropped as expected, and that was very noticable too.
love these reviews... I am probably one of the few that love the "boring" bits of the video.. Would love to see more of the actual testing part of each tires on the braking/acceleration etc.. maybe a second video of the "boring" bits that I enjoy the most?? :D
Run the General All Terrains on our Land Rover and found them pretty good in snow, certainly good enough to get you about safely. Interesting to see this borne out in testing too.
Snow tires on my tacoma two wheel drive have been the best tire I have ever had. Even on gravel roads during hot season they gave more traction than any other tire I have had.
I bought the HTS as they were significantly cheaper than comparable brands. Have to say, they were a marked improvement in all conditions than the OEM Kuhmo solus KL21s. I think having Continental as a parent company is no bad thing. I already have winters so i never planned on using them like this but it's nice to know i could go late season skiing and not have to keep my winters on.
I tried a forest road with 2 inches of wet snow yesterday using my BFG KO2 ATs and it was scary unstable. Changing today to my Nokian winter tyres. Learned the lesson cheap lucky.
After three snowy winters on the HTS60 I can confirm it's pretty good. But now it's time for winter tires, they are just a lot better in extreme conditions..
I have HTS 60 on my 2020 4wd silverado. I got to the ski park on super gnarly winter day, no problems whatsoever. My only worry was, sometimes, they close the roads and you're supposed to have chains or winter specific tires and i had no chains. I was surprised how good the tire did, so this video confirms my suspicions that the stock tire is actually, very very good in snow.
I believe the compounds are different, the cold weather properties of the winter specific tire allow the winter tread to work and grab on snow and ice better.
you have got it absolutly rigth, the rubber compound in winter tires are made so they still is soft down the temprature scale, but the downside is that they dont like temps over 10 C (50F) , on the roadsurface, I personally change from all terain tires to studded winter tires every year, when the season starts, studded just to cope with the black ice, live near the coast so snow not so mutch ,but lots of black ice,no fun in a 2 door diesel chevy tahoe ,its 4x4 but that dont matter on ice.
I find these videos fascinating and educational, here in the NW US, we only get snow covered roads a couple times a year and they quickly get deep rutted, hard packed and then polished. Difficult to simulate in a controlled environment, But the Grabber HTS60’s sound like a beneficial compromise. Now, if your looking to get a bit more complicated in the testing - how about towing ability in different conditions? I tow a horse trailer (goose neck) spring through fall, 5th wheel camper in summer, and a snowmobile trailer (bumper pull) in winter - all with electric trailer brakes.
I know you review a lot of passenger tires, but I'd be interested to see a review of the LT tires: Michelin Defender LTX vs Michelin Agilis CrossClimate vs Continental TerrainContact H/T. These are regarded as the best highway all season LT tires.
Great review! My guess is the mud tire, without sipes and fine crevices to compress and hold onto snow had to rely on the grip provided by the contact patches for traction and since there's less compared to the other tires it struggled.
Great testing and review! Another thing to note is each tire's rating (M+S and/or 3PMSF) whether it be AS, AW, AT or MT. Many AT / AW tires now have the 3PMSF rating so their snow performance should be closer to a full winter tire. I do wish they would create a ice test standard (and symbol) for braking and lateral grip.
For anyone asking about how a siped Off-road tire would compare to a full winter (nordic) tire, I have tested exactly that on my truck. The range of "snow tires" is amazing. I live at just below 8,000 feet (2400 meters) in the Utah mountains, and we see about 400 inches (10m) of snowfall each winter. I drive a 4wd with Falken Wildpeak AT3W tires in the summer and Blizzaks in the winter. The Wildpeaks are siped and snowflake rated (3PMSF), so one would expect them to be good in the winter. I have tried to leave them on so far this winter (we just got a decent storm here), and I will say that they are good in loose, dry, fluffy powder. I'm not sure they are better than the Blizzaks, but they are good. However, on hardpack and ice, they are nowhere near the Blizzaks. Mostly in turning. They have decent acceleration and braking, but turning is noticeably worse. I just put the Blizzaks onto my truck today because they are simply safer.
Yes ! I also always wondered about that :) . Maybe someday in future you will be able to repeat that test , just with more tyre brands ? More AT vs winter with all the best brands available at there best . Keep up great work ! Wish you the best .
Recently drove in snow in my new Bridgestone Dueller HT tyres, and was amazed how well they did, though it is not an all-terrain. Seems like a similar design to these General HTS.
Great idea for a test! With one brand (which eliminates brand/make variations between tread and compound that could ‚blurr’ the results) we can see how various tyre types compare (where they are good and bad)! That
Good test! But would love to see a similar test with siped (and studded) A/T's M/T's and how they hold up to all season and winter tires. And the differences of a siped and non siped A/T / M/T tire.
@@tyrereviews I don't know if anyone makes them from factory. But it is a trend to get it done in a shop or doing it yourself. Just curious to see the advantages of such modifications.
@@julione6 the problem would be, you can't guarantee the quality of work from different 3rd parties. you're also altering the tread design outside of the manufacturer's specifications.
@@johnhufnagel ofcourse. But this is still a trend among people who run MT's. And it will give you an advantage in the snow, warranty or not. I would like to see if those advantages are big enough to make it worth it to get your tires siped.
I would disagree. They make A/T tires with the severe snow certification. The cooper at3 4s for example. This video is good at exploring the differences but its very limited because he is only using General Grabber. Just because the General AT loses to the snow tire here doesn’t mean its the same across the board.
I have a set of studded ATx on my truck for winter and on hard pack and loose snow very good but with ice you have to shift to neutral when braking to prevent the ABS from activating and second gear start offs to prevent slipping. Granted my truck has an open rear diff but I think that if they doubled the amount of studs in the tire it would be that much better. There is a 10 cm space between some studs.
Good video and confirmed what I thought. Whenever we get snow where I live there is one road that is always difficult to pass due to show and ice. Every time, the ditches/hedgrows have 1 or more 4 x 4s in them because they thought they were invincible with their chunky mud tyres.....
Were any of the all terrains 3-peak mountain snowflake rated? Curious on testing 3-peak all terrain vs non-3-peak all terrain tires in snow. Thanks for the awesome test!
Where I live, in the USA, it's not common to have dedicated winter tires (it just doesn't snow enough for that), but it is common to have some sort of tire chains in the vehicle for a freak winter storm. I'd be interested in seeing a test between winter tire vs A/T with chains. To round it out I would say test a couple of different types of chain type devises as well, for instance to include metal chains, non-metal cord type chains, and snow fabric type. As far as testing is concerned, we are less likely to have snow, and more likely to have ice. Thanks for the videos! I really have learned quite a bit from them.
Iv got Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws (three peak snowflake rated) on my Crosstrek and in the snow or any condition they are better than my stock all seasons. One thing I noticed in this video is three peak snowflake rated tire was the winter tire but that's a given. Snow is not a season but snow is a terrain so a winter rated (three peak snowflake) all terrain is a true all season tire. A winter rated all terrain would still lack on ice, but in snow they are great.
Mate. Great review. People comment on this as if it's obvious and yes, if you have lying snow for 7 months of the year it is. NS, Virginia. But in the northern UK hills we can get 0.5m of wet snow that lies for a week at any moment November-April. Not worth full winters and all-seasons are no good off road. Your conclusions are spot on from my experience: ATs are ok in snow (better than MTs) and TBH they're good off road on made/hard surfaces and ok on road for handling, noise and braking. It's always a compromise. MTs are terrible in snow, on road and still clog off piste in very muddy (UK!) conditions. I don't rate them at all, unless you're talking serious off-road competition tyres. In temperate Europe I'd go all-season if no off road and AT if you need to work off road. Though with modern traction control systems on Land Rover, its amazing where a pure road tyre will take you. They don't help you stop, mind... ;-)
this is quite nice, but what i would have liked is a comparison to some Summer tires, to compare how much "better" the all seasons actually are in snow.
I've run a ton of different tires over the years but never got a head to head comparison. This matches my hypothesis as tread compound and siping are the two largest factors in winter. I would have liked to see you trudging through a foot or so of snow to see if the off-road tires could have any advantages at all in winter due to their large, deep tread blocks and massive voids.
On packed snow & ice, nothing beats a state of the art winter tire. In deep, heavy, wet snow possibly with mud underneath, a tall narrow mud terrain with center siping and carrying a lot of weight, can be impressive. We switch to Hakka R2 or R3 on our 2wd cars, but keep the center siped M/T tires year round on 4x4 trucks.
I’m sure I’m not the only one here that would want to see the same testing comparisons for truck tires with General Grabber and other brands, both in highway terrain(H/T) and all terrain(A/T). Dry/wet in Summer(>80F) and winter(
This is the test I never knew I wanted to see! Would love to see eco vs standard tire next time since you don't just test objectively, but give honest subjective feedback as well.
Thank you for this really well put together and informative video. I'm in the market for a set of 31x10.5R15 tires for my truck and would like a more chunky tread pattern as winter season also means lots of mud over here but thanks to your video I'll stay away from thoroughbred MTs. They also need to have the 3PMS symbol on them as winter tires are mandatory and the 3PMS symbol is what lawmakers decided to use to identify a winter tire. So I'm probably settling for some ATs as they seem to be a worthwhile compromise (also ATs are what I'm currently running albeit in a different size of 205R16 and I'm very happy with them) with the 3PMS and if it gets really muddy I've two sets of tire chains.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for including different depths of snow! So often I see the question "what is best in snow" and the first response needs to be "what kind of snow?" The only thing I would add to your videos is a note on air temp and/or surface temp. 4 inches of snow is very different in 30F versus 5F.
I replaced my winter tires with Cooper discovery HT3 they are an all weather tire with a winter pattern but summer compound. They actually bit better than my dedicated winter tires. All seasons are shyt but all weather is pretty darn amazing. Those chunky AT tires you tested would be awesome for breaking trails. What you tested them on is a hard packed groomed snow course.....that's not exactly when a guy needs the kind of traction those tires offer.
In the snowy areas of the US, yes you should have winter tires. In other areas you can get away with all season. I drive a Chevy Suburban and I absolutely love it. 4WD. She handles so well.
as expected, no surprises here, but nice to see proof! I'm sick of RUclipsrs who have tire sponsors that keep saying all terrains with the 3PMSF are just as good as dedicated winter tires. As we can see here, not even close.
@@tyrereviews One comes to mind Maxx Powell, he's sponsored by BFG, There's a few of them that I don't follow but watched a few of their videos for off roading content. And whenever they go snow wheeling they always rave about how the snowflake all terrain tires are amazing and having the snowflake means they are winter tires. and some of them say aggressive mud terrain is the best in snow cuz they think mud and snow are the same properties, while the lug faces are smooth with hard compound... They have no idea about tires, and their sponsors don't even school them.
Realistically, a test of this type bears little relevance to those of us who live downunder (Australia). Irrespective, it was another brilliant test, the type of test I would hope that more people (by the million) subscribe to... for no other reason other than safety. Well, my passion lay in performance tyres, hence high performance testing is where my interest lay and IMHO, Tyre Reviews do it better than anyone - and at no cost to us. Btw, I have absolutely no affiliation to Tyre Reviews. In fact, if, prior to coming across these reviews, if I were to have met the reviewer in the street I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap.
i’ve found chunky tires are only really good for fresh soft snow not like packed stuff.. the more chunky they are the less contact area they have. unless its able to sink down into the terrain.
I had General Grabber ATs on an old Forester a few years ago and they were ok. Better than an America all-season, but not as good as a winter tire in winter conditions.
Tire pressure is important too. I've dropped to 18-20 lbs before and had significantly better traction since the sidewall squats and you get more contact area for icy conditions. Just don't run highway speeds until you air back up.
Will say I use mud terrain tires. However it's in the deep snow it truly shine's. We are on our own where I live with a plow skipping over our road. Had about 4 feet of snow on the road at one point. The pressing of large lugs and compacting snow around them give an absolute tremendous amount of traction. All terrain and snow tires really struggle in very deep snow. Yes it's true mud terrain tires struggle with ice. However knowing it's short comings and strong suits help to drive to the conditions. All terrain tires are a good balance of everything but I made the switch to mud terrains because they didn't get me home when there were feet on the ground in prior years. I know my situation is unique and fully admit all terrain or winter tires are probably the best for 95% of drivers in snow. Cheer's
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should sip the mud tire and lets see how it performs then? it'll be like night and day.
Crikey! I was coming across your videos from time to time for years. And I always used tyrereviews.com before I went ahead buying something. I never ever realised before that this channel has the same logo :) Normally I don't subscribe but knowing this, here you go. I click that button! ;)
@@gabbor2904 :D welcome back!
What I didn't see/hear during the review was the differences in rubber (used); winter tire rubber is grippier than summer or all-season, which leads to better winter grip but unsustainable use in warmer climates (necessitating winter and summer tires). What might be the best alternative for four season tires which is the most practical choice (unless heavy/heavy winter use/need).
Awesome test! Been waiting on AT/x test against Snow tires. But are you going to do 4 Wheel Drive test with them too? Please?
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@@tyrereviews Do you remember if the winter tire was studdable?
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@@thomaswells9622 I’ve never noticed. Parents were from Yorkshire
@@trumpjongun8831 That’s because the test wasn’t between winter tyres. It was between the different categories of tyres.
Finally! THE test I've been waiting for, off-road tyres vs. snow tyres.
Hope you enjoyed it!
Guess we all have things we wait for. I'd love to see your Christmas list. He's an amazing reviewer though.
I asked for this test too, fantastic to watch
@@Traumatree I am sorry that you have been fed with misleading information, All-terrain tires (mountain snowflake certified) USUALLY outperform budget and medium-priced winter tires (which is what most people will be getting for seasonal tire swaps anyway), but they are slightly worse than premium winter tires. Most Mud terrains excel in the sand, mud, and rock crawling traction, most of them however is M+S certified and will perform similarly to All season M+S tires. All-weather tires on the other hand are usually snowflake certified as well, but this video lacks extensive comparison on these subjects therefore misled you into believing that off-road and mud tires are crap in the winter which is not true at all. Stop spreading misinformation
@@kpokfposkf
The M+S label on some A/T and M/T tyres is exactly why I'm so interested in such a test, though to be fair, he's limited to the model line of the supplier for this particular test set. Would have been an even better video if there were 2 more tyre models, an A/T and a M/T with the M+S or Snowflake Symbol.
This channel is smashing it this year! Top work!
indeed!
Appreciated :D There's still a bit left to come!
Haha. Pretty shocking that THE end-all, be-all tire guy for tire reviews and applications actually was wondering about this and thought the off road tires might be the best. Also, no mention as to WHY the off-road tire has always been garbage in the snow:
The large blocks in the off road tire are designed to eject rocks and shed mud. They are made to be "self-cleaning". A tire packed with mud will get no traction while still in mud. They become bologna skins, if they can't shed mud.
Snow tires, have what is called "siping". Sipes, are the tiny angled and squiggled lines in all terrain tires and oft times short, straight lines in snow tires, albeit with MANY more of them. Those little lines (sipes), will pack full of snow and protrude from the surface of the tire. When the tire moves, the snow in the tires gains traction by adhering to the snow on the ground. Much more traction is gained by the snow on snow contact than by the tire itself. That's why snow tires always look like they are filled with snow.
Tire engineering, compound content, design and testing, is an incredibly complicated business and this is a dime-store tour, of just one aspect of how two styles of tires relate to one meteorological condition. However, no one i know that lives in the north-east, that has used off road tires, snow tires, and all terrain tires would have thought there was even a need for this test.
All this being said, this guy is the bees knees, with tire reviews. I have liked every one I have seen from him.
In my neck of the woods (Seattle area), I think the information in this test is much needed. Snow is uncommon in the city, but very common 40 miles away in the mountains. My winter entertainment is pulling stuck 4x4s out of the snow. Many of the drivers can't seem to believe that their mud tires are not the best thing in deep snow.
An even worse example is my sister who lives on the Idaho / Washington boarder where it gets much colder and snowier than in Seattle. Last winter she got new tires for the 4x4 that she uses to deliver mail all winter in the snow. She asked for the best tires for snow and ice, and they sold her aggressive all-terrain tires. After the first snow, she was very disappointed and worried about her safety. I encouraged her to get real winter tires, and fortunately the tire shop was willing to exchange the all-terrain tires. Of course, she liked the winter tires much better. Anyway, even tire store employees can have the misconception that aggressive off-road tires give the best traction in snow. So, I think videos like this are very helpful -- it would be great if tire store owners in areas that get snow required every new employ to watch it.
Sometimes we have to tell a story in a video, it wouldn't be much of a film if I started with "Winter tyres are definitely better than MT tyres the end" ;D
Thanks for the kind words though, I'm glad you enjoy the content, I love making it.
@@tyrereviews And at the end of the day You can say- tested it myself, so I know what I'm talking about. 👍
@@andrewsnow7386 I also live in Seattle but I’m moving to Utah. Seattle area can get really dangerous in the winter because of all the steep hills and the roads seem to ice over badly when it does snow because it’s wet snow. Personally I like to get all season tires and have them siped for $85 which makes for much better ice/snow traction. It’s still not a winter compound but I can run them year round and for the occasional snow and ice we get around here, it seems a good compromise. I will test them out in Utah this winter but I will avoid the ski hills on heavy snow days. My Prius has limited ground clearance. I’ll likely be trading it for a RAV 4 next season.
@@mylesgray3470 I agree with you 100%. Wet compact snow and ice, at say 34 F (1 C) ,is significantly slipperier than when the snow/ice is "dry" at a colder temp like 20 F (7 C). Because snow is not very common here, even in the foothills where I live (snow on the roads probably averages a day or two per year), I also don't have real winter tires for my in-town car. But, based on an old video by Tyre Reviews, I put Vredestein Quatrac 5 tires on the car. My theory is that molded in sipes should be just as effective as cut ones, and that the mountain-snowflake rating probably means they have a better compound for winter than most other all-season tires.
Note though, when there is the possibility of snow, I still carry the ultimate weapon -- tire chains.
You did say there was a lot of upcoming content, and you really are leading the way in these tests and giving data like no one else. Fantastic every time! Top job mate.
Thank you!
On my truck I run mastercraft courser mxt off-road, and I use goodyear wrangler all terrains for daily driving and snow driving.
People have tried telling me the mud tires should do just fine in the snow, but that was never my experience. Now I have your video to show them to back up my position. Well done.
man this guy's driving is amazing to watch lol as he casually talks to the camera he's just drifting through corners almost touching the snow walls a if he does this every morning before breakfast
Thankyou for for not dragging out the information, very well edited and great host.
Only 125k subscribers is surprising for such a professional channel
So nice of you :)
Great test!! I think you do the best tire testing on the internet. Keep up the good work!
Also was not only surprised when I saw the test vehicle being a Chevy Tahoe, but also seeing the Dodge Ram out on the road test!
Thank you!
So glad someone has actually done an in depth test on this subject. I speak with so many 4x4 owners who go mud terrain or all terrain thinking that they will still perform in winter conditions. They will even say the tires do well comparing their experiences with other mud/all terrains. Unfortunately many have never tried actuall winter tires and don’t realise what they are losing by sticking with mud/all terrains. I think manufacturers are a little to blame here, as consumers are led to believe anything with a snowflake symbol is a true winter tyre but from what I’ve read the snowflake symbol test is not particularly difficult to achieve.
Anyways great test as always, hopefully it will really help people make good informed tyre choice and keep them and others safe. 👍👍
Lets hope they see it :)
I do not like SUV but when Tyre Reviews do a test, no matter the car, the feeling and explanation of Jonathan are always complete, clever and can be understand by everybody. Great video and excellent work.
Thank you so much!
I appreciate the fact that all these tires are from the same manufacturer. Awesome video
Some top driving there. Nerves of steel chucking 2 tonnes around. Great to watch thanks
It was surprisingly manageable.. but I did end up int he snow bank once...
We do it in Michigan all the time. It’s a winter fun time thing
This is some next level quality content. Really love these types of videos
Thank you :D
So, I finally got it. You are a sommelier of tires. You educate us about them in the ways we did not know existed.
:D
Good there is now a professional review of winter vs offroad tires!
Really interesting and useful video, I'm glad you're here doing the testing no one has ever done!
Thank you! Cheers!
I used Grabber AT3 on my RWD sprinter camper van in Scandinavia during winter (all the way through the arctic to nordkapp in Sweden, Norway and Finland) they are excellent tires for all season overlanding in a heavy rig with proper balanced weight on the drive axles, especially as you air them down a bit they dig so well into deep and compact snow! really impressed!
You told me in another vid this one was coming out and it didnt disappoint. Kudos to all your hardwork and dedication to the channel. The hst60 will definitely be on the list now when it comes to new truck tires thanks so much
Glad you enjoyed it! I hope it was worth the wait
Literally now surprises in this video, but (as always) it was a blast to watch. Thumbs up!
Glad you enjoyed it!
As always a great review! I love to see you getting the support from a proper tire company! Lets hope you get more support from other companies, they need this kind of detailed review! Still waiting for the FWD all-weather tire vs winter, i know when that hits itll be just as good!
I really need to edit that!
Great comparison we've been waiting for. It clearly show the differences between winter and all-season off-road tires. And haters cannot fully hate because Arctic, APT and A/TX is still not available in EU (as far as I know) so it is hard to say it's pure advertisement. :) Thanks.
Another brilliant #tyreporn video mate, that looked like fun too!
Joe you should sleep by now, so as I :D
Thanks bae
While this video doesn't not apply to my Golf R, I still watched from beginning to end. Thank you for the great content
Get some MTs on that Golf!
Just fitted a set of Maxxis AP3 All Season's really impressed you won me over to the all season option for my part of Europe. Great Reviews 👍
Great to hear!
I'd like to see this done again but take the best and the worst tire, then start adjusting air pressure up and down to see if it improves or decreases performance.
Living in western PA, this winter test along with the other test for HT, AT and MT tires helped me make the decision on the ATX for my '18 GMC Sierra. I was torn between the APT and the ATX. To use a food analogy, my eyes are bigger than my stomach and I do a lot less driving off road than my initial estimate. I mean A LOT less, so I probably could of gone with the APT and been totally happy. No complaints with the ATX in dry, wet or snow conditions on my truck, with my driving style and my location.
Glad you're enjoying them! Would be great to see a review on www.tyrereviews.com
Awesome video. To be able to keep the truck on the road and provide a review is awesome
Thank you
Thanks for watching!
I’ve always been curious about this! Thank you!
You're so welcome!
You said it was coming! Great work. I've known for a great while that the actual mud tires are trash in winter, friends have done this and learned the hard way. But I was a bit shocked the all terrains didnt do as well. I've known a good few that do great, but maybe its not always the case.
Yea the compound is too hard and the self cleaning is counter productive.
This is such an underrated channal. The quality of the content is amazing
Nice to see such a great topic video and an American car outside North America
Thanks! 👍
Everyone like myself who swaps out their tyres for winters is probably going to find this quite predictable...
Thanks for this. This is probably the most under appreciated car channel.
:D thanks
last winter I ran a set of brand new goodyear wrangler fortitude HT on my gmc sierra and it was somewhat manageable in Canadian winter. this year, after 100k km, the wranglers were just not cutting it any more in the first real snow here. switched them for a set of hankook ipike rw11 studless, and the improvement on snow and ice were significant. dry pavement performance dropped as expected, and that was very noticable too.
love these reviews... I am probably one of the few that love the "boring" bits of the video.. Would love to see more of the actual testing part of each tires on the braking/acceleration etc.. maybe a second video of the "boring" bits that I enjoy the most?? :D
Maybe one for the extra channel!
The biggest difference is tire compound, and siping. Mud tires have neither of those to bite into the snow.
I am surprised that you were able to find a Tahoe in Europe. lol
In Norway there are looooads of american pick-ups and suv like tahoe's and suburban's. Own a suburban myself:P
Imported by General :D
@@tyrereviews why did they not import a 4wd at least? 2wd on snow? its gonna be bad.
@@chubbysumo2230 I guess because they wanted a 2wd for testing. I imagine it's more reliable
@@tire_reviews no, its not.
Run the General All Terrains on our Land Rover and found them pretty good in snow, certainly good enough to get you about safely. Interesting to see this borne out in testing too.
Snow tires on my tacoma two wheel drive have been the best tire I have ever had. Even on gravel roads during hot season they gave more traction than any other tire I have had.
I bought the HTS as they were significantly cheaper than comparable brands. Have to say, they were a marked improvement in all conditions than the OEM Kuhmo solus KL21s. I think having Continental as a parent company is no bad thing.
I already have winters so i never planned on using them like this but it's nice to know i could go late season skiing and not have to keep my winters on.
Been watching for a while now...finally decided to subscribe. Keep up the good work.
Welcome aboard!
@@tyrereviews Only took me a year. Sorry about that O.O
The videos are ace. I have watched nearly all of them.
@@vividthespis Appreciated :D
I tried a forest road with 2 inches of wet snow yesterday using my BFG KO2 ATs and it was scary unstable. Changing today to my Nokian winter tyres. Learned the lesson cheap lucky.
as someone from the north east usa studded winter tires are a must have for winter
Fantastic video! I would love to see this same testing done with Michelin tires
I drove an all season up and down a mountain pass in a rwd sports car. I would definitely recommend winters
After three snowy winters on the HTS60 I can confirm it's pretty good. But now it's time for winter tires, they are just a lot better in extreme conditions..
they should broadcast this in on CNN, seems like all of the US is still sliding on winter roads and at best using mud tires to make things worse :D
I have HTS 60 on my 2020 4wd silverado. I got to the ski park on super gnarly winter day, no problems whatsoever. My only worry was, sometimes, they close the roads and you're supposed to have chains or winter specific tires and i had no chains. I was surprised how good the tire did, so this video confirms my suspicions that the stock tire is actually, very very good in snow.
I believe the compounds are different, the cold weather properties of the winter specific tire allow the winter tread to work and grab on snow and ice better.
you have got it absolutly rigth, the rubber compound in winter tires are made so they still is soft down the temprature scale, but the downside is that they dont like temps over 10 C (50F) , on the roadsurface, I personally change from all terain tires to studded winter tires every year, when the season starts, studded just to cope with the black ice, live near the coast so snow not so mutch ,but lots of black ice,no fun in a 2 door diesel chevy tahoe ,its 4x4 but that dont matter on ice.
I find these videos fascinating and educational, here in the NW US, we only get snow covered roads a couple times a year and they quickly get deep rutted, hard packed and then polished. Difficult to simulate in a controlled environment, But the Grabber HTS60’s sound like a beneficial compromise.
Now, if your looking to get a bit more complicated in the testing - how about towing ability in different conditions? I tow a horse trailer (goose neck) spring through fall, 5th wheel camper in summer, and a snowmobile trailer (bumper pull) in winter - all with electric trailer brakes.
Ooo towing might have to go on the list!
I know you review a lot of passenger tires, but I'd be interested to see a review of the LT tires: Michelin Defender LTX vs Michelin Agilis CrossClimate vs Continental TerrainContact H/T. These are regarded as the best highway all season LT tires.
Great review! My guess is the mud tire, without sipes and fine crevices to compress and hold onto snow had to rely on the grip provided by the contact patches for traction and since there's less compared to the other tires it struggled.
Great testing and review! Another thing to note is each tire's rating (M+S and/or 3PMSF) whether it be AS, AW, AT or MT. Many AT / AW tires now have the 3PMSF rating so their snow performance should be closer to a full winter tire. I do wish they would create a ice test standard (and symbol) for braking and lateral grip.
The Winter and 2 AT tyres were 3PMSF marked :)
For anyone asking about how a siped Off-road tire would compare to a full winter (nordic) tire, I have tested exactly that on my truck.
The range of "snow tires" is amazing. I live at just below 8,000 feet (2400 meters) in the Utah mountains, and we see about 400 inches (10m) of snowfall each winter. I drive a 4wd with Falken Wildpeak AT3W tires in the summer and Blizzaks in the winter. The Wildpeaks are siped and snowflake rated (3PMSF), so one would expect them to be good in the winter. I have tried to leave them on so far this winter (we just got a decent storm here), and I will say that they are good in loose, dry, fluffy powder. I'm not sure they are better than the Blizzaks, but they are good. However, on hardpack and ice, they are nowhere near the Blizzaks. Mostly in turning. They have decent acceleration and braking, but turning is noticeably worse. I just put the Blizzaks onto my truck today because they are simply safer.
Awesome feedback, thank you. If you get the time feel free to leave it on www.tyrereviews.com too :)
The Project Farm of tire testing.
Now that's an honour!
But will they work on a lawnmower?
Yes ! I also always wondered about that :) . Maybe someday in future you will be able to repeat that test , just with more tyre brands ? More AT vs winter with all the best brands available at there best .
Keep up great work ! Wish you the best .
It's on the list :)
Thank you again for another great video! I appreciate all the hard work, time and effort you guys put in!
Thanks
Would really like to see what you think of the Falken Wildpeak AT3W in the same conditions, dry, and wet.
I agree iv got them on my Crosstrek and in the snow or any condition they were better than my stock all seasons.
Thank you for this test! I was wondering a lot about what tire should I choose on my 4x4. I will get winter tires for sure. Thanks mate!
Glad to help!
This was great. I would really love to see a tire test for cargo vans. A sprinter or something with a few different tires in different conditions.
I have the General Arctic tires and they're awesome in the snow!
Recently drove in snow in my new Bridgestone Dueller HT tyres, and was amazed how well they did, though it is not an all-terrain. Seems like a similar design to these General HTS.
And yes! In Sweden by law you have to drive on winter tyres in these types of conditions...
Great idea for a test! With one brand (which eliminates brand/make variations between tread and compound that could ‚blurr’ the results) we can see how various tyre types compare (where they are good and bad)! That
Even tho i dont use these tyres this videos are still great to watch
Thanks!
Very informative testing.
I guess you did that test on new tires?
Good test! But would love to see a similar test with siped (and studded) A/T's M/T's and how they hold up to all season and winter tires. And the differences of a siped and non siped A/T / M/T tire.
Got an example of siped AT / MT tyres?
@@tyrereviews I don't know if anyone makes them from factory. But it is a trend to get it done in a shop or doing it yourself. Just curious to see the advantages of such modifications.
@@julione6 the problem would be, you can't guarantee the quality of work from different 3rd parties. you're also altering the tread design outside of the manufacturer's specifications.
@@johnhufnagel ofcourse. But this is still a trend among people who run MT's. And it will give you an advantage in the snow, warranty or not. I would like to see if those advantages are big enough to make it worth it to get your tires siped.
You just blew the minds of all the bros in lifted Wranglers on offroad tires.
:D
I would disagree. They make A/T tires with the severe snow certification. The cooper at3 4s for example. This video is good at exploring the differences but its very limited because he is only using General Grabber. Just because the General AT loses to the snow tire here doesn’t mean its the same across the board.
I have a set of studded ATx on my truck for winter and on hard pack and loose snow very good but with ice you have to shift to neutral when braking to prevent the ABS from activating and second gear start offs to prevent slipping. Granted my truck has an open rear diff but I think that if they doubled the amount of studs in the tire it would be that much better. There is a 10 cm space between some studs.
Between this and the off-road video, I'm really impressed with the APT for someone who needs all 4 seasons.
Good video and confirmed what I thought. Whenever we get snow where I live there is one road that is always difficult to pass due to show and ice. Every time, the ditches/hedgrows have 1 or more 4 x 4s in them because they thought they were invincible with their chunky mud tyres.....
:D
Were any of the all terrains 3-peak mountain snowflake rated? Curious on testing 3-peak all terrain vs non-3-peak all terrain tires in snow. Thanks for the awesome test!
Both of them were!
4:51 - 5:00 ooooofff! That was really nice
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@@tyrereviews well done sir!
Nice work!! Please do this with several other AT-Tires.
BF Goodridge at3
Hankook Dynapro at2
Etc.
Exept you, there is nobody on this f***in world who test these tyres in every conditions.
I'm working on something along these lines for next year :)
You are the best!😍👌🏾
Where I live, in the USA, it's not common to have dedicated winter tires (it just doesn't snow enough for that), but it is common to have some sort of tire chains in the vehicle for a freak winter storm. I'd be interested in seeing a test between winter tire vs A/T with chains. To round it out I would say test a couple of different types of chain type devises as well, for instance to include metal chains, non-metal cord type chains, and snow fabric type. As far as testing is concerned, we are less likely to have snow, and more likely to have ice. Thanks for the videos! I really have learned quite a bit from them.
It's on the list :)
Iv got Falken Wildpeak AT3Ws (three peak snowflake rated) on my Crosstrek and in the snow or any condition they are better than my stock all seasons. One thing I noticed in this video is three peak snowflake rated tire was the winter tire but that's a given. Snow is not a season but snow is a terrain so a winter rated (three peak snowflake) all terrain is a true all season tire. A winter rated all terrain would still lack on ice, but in snow they are great.
Mate. Great review. People comment on this as if it's obvious and yes, if you have lying snow for 7 months of the year it is. NS, Virginia. But in the northern UK hills we can get 0.5m of wet snow that lies for a week at any moment November-April. Not worth full winters and all-seasons are no good off road. Your conclusions are spot on from my experience: ATs are ok in snow (better than MTs) and TBH they're good off road on made/hard surfaces and ok on road for handling, noise and braking. It's always a compromise. MTs are terrible in snow, on road and still clog off piste in very muddy (UK!) conditions. I don't rate them at all, unless you're talking serious off-road competition tyres. In temperate Europe I'd go all-season if no off road and AT if you need to work off road. Though with modern traction control systems on Land Rover, its amazing where a pure road tyre will take you. They don't help you stop, mind... ;-)
Mate. Great comment :D
this is quite nice, but what i would have liked is a comparison to some Summer tires, to compare how much "better" the all seasons actually are in snow.
I've run a ton of different tires over the years but never got a head to head comparison. This matches my hypothesis as tread compound and siping are the two largest factors in winter. I would have liked to see you trudging through a foot or so of snow to see if the off-road tires could have any advantages at all in winter due to their large, deep tread blocks and massive voids.
Would have loved to but sadly we didn't get the weather
On packed snow & ice, nothing beats a state of the art winter tire. In deep, heavy, wet snow possibly with mud underneath, a tall narrow mud terrain with center siping and carrying a lot of weight, can be impressive. We switch to Hakka R2 or R3 on our 2wd cars, but keep the center siped M/T tires year round on 4x4 trucks.
I’m sure I’m not the only one here that would want to see the same testing comparisons for truck tires with General Grabber and other brands, both in highway terrain(H/T) and all terrain(A/T). Dry/wet in Summer(>80F) and winter(
This is the test I never knew I wanted to see!
Would love to see eco vs standard tire next time since you don't just test objectively, but give honest subjective feedback as well.
Such a great report, real help!
Thank you for this really well put together and informative video. I'm in the market for a set of 31x10.5R15 tires for my truck and would like a more chunky tread pattern as winter season also means lots of mud over here but thanks to your video I'll stay away from thoroughbred MTs. They also need to have the 3PMS symbol on them as winter tires are mandatory and the 3PMS symbol is what lawmakers decided to use to identify a winter tire. So I'm probably settling for some ATs as they seem to be a worthwhile compromise (also ATs are what I'm currently running albeit in a different size of 205R16 and I'm very happy with them) with the 3PMS and if it gets really muddy I've two sets of tire chains.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for including different depths of snow! So often I see the question "what is best in snow" and the first response needs to be "what kind of snow?" The only thing I would add to your videos is a note on air temp and/or surface temp. 4 inches of snow is very different in 30F versus 5F.
I'll make sure I do include temps in the future :)
I replaced my winter tires with Cooper discovery HT3 they are an all weather tire with a winter pattern but summer compound. They actually bit better than my dedicated winter tires. All seasons are shyt but all weather is pretty darn amazing.
Those chunky AT tires you tested would be awesome for breaking trails. What you tested them on is a hard packed groomed snow course.....that's not exactly when a guy needs the kind of traction those tires offer.
In the snowy areas of the US, yes you should have winter tires. In other areas you can get away with all season. I drive a Chevy Suburban and I absolutely love it. 4WD. She handles so well.
results not surprising. enjoyable video
as expected, no surprises here, but nice to see proof! I'm sick of RUclipsrs who have tire sponsors that keep saying all terrains with the 3PMSF are just as good as dedicated winter tires. As we can see here, not even close.
What youtubers do you speak of, just so I can check them out
@@tyrereviews One comes to mind Maxx Powell, he's sponsored by BFG, There's a few of them that I don't follow but watched a few of their videos for off roading content. And whenever they go snow wheeling they always rave about how the snowflake all terrain tires are amazing and having the snowflake means they are winter tires. and some of them say aggressive mud terrain is the best in snow cuz they think mud and snow are the same properties, while the lug faces are smooth with hard compound... They have no idea about tires, and their sponsors don't even school them.
Yes thank you for reviewing these
My pleasure :)
Realistically, a test of this type bears little relevance to those of us who live downunder (Australia). Irrespective, it was another brilliant test, the type of test I would hope that more people (by the million) subscribe to... for no other reason other than safety. Well, my passion lay in performance tyres, hence high performance testing is where my interest lay and IMHO, Tyre Reviews do it better than anyone - and at no cost to us. Btw, I have absolutely no affiliation to Tyre Reviews. In fact, if, prior to coming across these reviews, if I were to have met the reviewer in the street I wouldn't know him from a bar of soap.
Appreciated :D
i’ve found chunky tires are only really good for fresh soft snow not like packed stuff.. the more chunky they are the less contact area they have. unless its able to sink down into the terrain.
I had General Grabber ATs on an old Forester a few years ago and they were ok. Better than an America all-season, but not as good as a winter tire in winter conditions.
first time I've seen a Tahoe drift lol
Everything sideways is awesome!
Having owned a Tahoe and suburban they are really fun to drift in snow and surprisingly easy to control. Would recommend.
Tire pressure is important too. I've dropped to 18-20 lbs before and had significantly better traction since the sidewall squats and you get more contact area for icy conditions. Just don't run highway speeds until you air back up.
Will say I use mud terrain tires. However it's in the deep snow it truly shine's. We are on our own where I live with a plow skipping over our road. Had about 4 feet of snow on the road at one point. The pressing of large lugs and compacting snow around them give an absolute tremendous amount of traction. All terrain and snow tires really struggle in very deep snow. Yes it's true mud terrain tires struggle with ice. However knowing it's short comings and strong suits help to drive to the conditions. All terrain tires are a good balance of everything but I made the switch to mud terrains because they didn't get me home when there were feet on the ground in prior years. I know my situation is unique and fully admit all terrain or winter tires are probably the best for 95% of drivers in snow.
Cheer's
Where was the on road portion of the test filmed? I noticed a ram truck at 7:50 and I know trucks are not common in Europe.
North Sweden