What do you think of these precons? Any cards we missed? Any cards we suggested to take out or add that you disagree with? Which do you think is more SPECIAL?
Love the new pre-cons and love the episode! However I think you missed that wake the past is not a new card from the fallout set, its been around since C21
claiming to be a fallout fan and not mentioning fallout 1 and 2 and saying fallout 3 is more popular then NV which is considered to be the best of them all (and no we dont talk about 76) tsk tsk good episode tho =)
I hate hate hate Farewell. Just because I'm very, "Use the graveyard as a resource." and exiling just feels so bad for me. :P That said, This is my second favorite art for it. The first being The Doctor
The most fun thing about playing Liberty Prime is going to be pointing at your opponents and saying "Democracy is non-negotiable!" or "Designation: Liberty Prime. Operational assessment: All systems nominal. Primary directive: War."
Spoilers....not spoilers since Kyle is on the episode you would expect him to play on either Game Knights or Extra Turns lol. Either way, loving all of this!!!!
Feel like they do that to curb the power level of the decks and to promote buying the full cycle. Every UB cycle has decks that share colors with almost every other deck in the cycle.
Secretly doesn't mean you can't talk. It just means that you choose before seeing what others choose. While the card resolves, you can't say what you're choosing, however you can say anything you want before the choice actually needs to be made, you can lie or change your mind, but you can say anything.
One thing worth noting when you mentioned roaming throne, is that since Master Ascendant reanimates milled stuff as mutants, you can duplicate all of those abilities as well.
@@rhysticbuddy61Yes, but the creatures he reanimates become 3/3 mutants, so you can get multiple triggered abilities off of whatever you reanimate, which is what I was trying to get at.
Having Brian Kibler here felt refreshing. Not only he knows his Fallout and science stuff, but the fact he's not as perfectly in sync with Rachel (as the rest of the Command Zone cast would be) adds a lot of fun moments to the podcast. The 1:16:22 to 1:17:06 bit has to be one of the best this podcast has to offer. I just wonder why you didn't get Kyle Hill for this one.
Idk if someone has mentioned this, but Wake the Past has been a MTG card since strixhaven. I forget whether it was main set or C21, but it's definitely a lorehold card.
1:47:49 Fun thing to point out is that Lily doesn't cap at 16, she caps at 32. At start of turn if she's 16 or less double her power so for one turn cycle you'll get a 32 power creature.
@@adr4940 yes. She'd enter with 2. Next turn double to 4, then 8, then 16, and on the next turn because it says 16 or less she'll double one more time and go to 32. Then, on your next upkeep because she's at 32 you'd remove 31 counters and gain 31 life
For the Mothman( which i really love) my upgrades are: "Peregrin Took" + "Nuka Cola Vending Machine"( thx Science-Deck) + "Grinding Station" = Endless Mill. Second Combo is, after playing something like Nuclear Fallout, or just after a boardwhipe: "The Master" + "Intruder Alert" and something that gives haste. Tap him, get a creature, untap to do "intruder alert", repeat until you have all the sweet stuff from the graveyards. Last I am thinking about, which is a bit harder to pull of is "Volo, Guide to Monsters" + "Food Chain" + "Shrieking Drake": Cast the Shrieking Drake, copy with volo, bounce the original with its own ability, sac the copy to foodchain, do a lot of times and then end the Game by playing Radstorm and proliferate all the Rad-Counters. Or instead of "Volo" + "Food Chain"+"Drake" i take the Zombie-Route. Play the Rad Zombie(+1/+1 Counter for every creature that died this tourn) + "Grave Crawler" + "Phyrexian Alter". Sac the Grave Crawler in the Alter and play him from graveyard and do until your zombie is stupidly strong and then sac him to give every opponent a massive tones of Rad-Counters. End Yes, I´ll play him for the Rad-Counters, so the Peregrin Took combo is just a game closer.
@kylehill did a great job with these upgrades! Love how he did the upgrades with a plan to win in mind and did a great job explaining his process for the upgrades and cuts! Command Zone should bring him back more often to do more decks!!
Rise of the Dark Realms secret lair printing is $30 but God I love the way it looks like one of the fallout comic books, I'm putting it in the Mothman deck
interesting to watch Kyle in the CZ podcast format, as his brain works so fast it seemed tricky at times to find a rhythm & not step on Rachel's insights (who is also a rather quick witted individual). i am impressed with how the CZ podcasters share their ideas but also let the other podcaster speak in a natural rhythm. (that said, the episode was great & Kyle's rad, of course... [pun intended]. i look forward to his Game Knight's antics.)
I feel like there are three more cards that are also autoincludes in mothman: -undead alchemist: mills and is a mill payoff -memory erosion: repeatable mill for only 3 mana -breach the multiverse... Like the primordeal, but also mills 10
Why would you get rid of proliferation in a deck that you’re humming and hawing about not getting enough rad counters out when comparing the two at the end? 2:00:12
Next up: Star Wars Mtg, with Palpetine as your Commander, with the text: Order 56, all permanents not under your control change their alliance, untap and have haste until end of your turn.
Cephalid illusionist for mothman is almost a full deck milled. Also did you know that mothman can target also your opponents stuff? So you can use him as a political pawn or you could add cowardice to transform him into a removal engine
about altar of the brood: let's say in a game with 4 players, each opponent putting the top card into his graveyard means wisemoth have potentially(considering they mill nonland) 3 triggers to add +1/+1 or only one +1/+1?
Came back to this video because I bought the Mothman precon in Vegas over the weekend. My favorite deck I have built is combos around energy and Dr. Madison. I won a game this weekend with an infinite energy combo created 4,000 tapped Securitrons got an extra turn with Gonti's Aether Heart destroyed everyone. And said "The House always wins!" Dream come true.
After watching Kyle take control in the Fallout episode, I knew I wanted to get this deck. Looks like I'll be dusting off my old commander decks to deck test with the precon. And maybe I'll order the upgrade cards as well. On the flipside, the mutant deck looks really good as well. Might even pick that one up as well in the future
For Expert Level Safe. You can do the same number every time if you want someone to know. I just played rock paper scissors, even referenced the funny cards "scissor lizard" and such. If it was a tie, then the safe was unlocked. I used it as a form of card draw. I put what I didn't like in the safe in combination to work station card .
The Master Transcendent goes completely nutty with Altar of the Brood and Intruder Alarm. If you get some good mills on a person (via Rad Counters or other means) with a lot of creatures, you could very well see half their deck suddenly on your side of the board.
Vault 13: looks intended for ETB effects. Can do it for creatures to liberty prime combo with Austere Command. Negotiate with one person for whom you will return to the battle field. 3+ person game results in 1+ cards at bottom of library.
I played Mothman in a 2HG event at my lgs last night. My partner played a slightly nodded Caesar deck and we may not have synergized very well, but we still ran the table. Rad counters saved us in the last game where it was another Mothman paired with Dogmeat and that synergy scared us
I think austere command was chosen specifically as a combo. It kills a bunch. You can keep liberty prime on the board. You can loose him and or knock out other big stompies. You can blow up all artifacts and the bring them back with one of the two artifact ress cards. If you res artifacts with the symmetric card, you have equip advantage since you have the mana available to spend and re-equip things while others don't, also a lot of your artifacts are creatures, also it's a way to bounce for energy using the face commander.
Awesome video on these two precons guys! I wanted to point out that while Great Value Thor was talking about The Wise Mothman 1:09:05 it sounds like someone is making an animal balloon in the background...or is it.. The Wise Mothman himself 🤔😅
My upgrade list for the mutant deck. [CREATURES] 1 Thrummingbird 1 The Mycotyrant 1 Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus 1 Mycoloth 1 Syr Konrad, the Grim 1 Muldrotha, the Gravetide [ARTIFACTS] 1 Mindcrank [SORCERIES] 1 Breach the Multiverse [ENCHANTMENTS] 1 Bloodchief Ascension 1 Doubling Season
49:47 Secretly voting is awesome. It can add buffing, and or trickier in the discussion as the effect is resolving. Are you truthful about what you said you would do? Or will you be greedy and try and trick them so you get more of a benefit? The pre vote dicussion is super fun, imo.
I didn’t give a single dang about the science! deck until y’all started talking about it, and now I must play it 👀 lmao I had the same thought y’all had about Dr Li being durdley and boring, but y’all’s list looks fun! (I already planned on playing mutants so that’s not news for me 😅)
This was a great video tho to mention clues draw you cards so it does help in self mill strategies not just the plus one counters. The upgrade were great for both decks. It’s tough to choose between the fallout deck this video definitely helps.
Aetherworks Marvel only 2.75? I'm assuming that these decks were spoiled before Feb 12th? Either that or people in the loop bought it out because the price shot up over 2 weeks ago.
Everyone is building mothman differently. You guys are going for the mill wincon, I saw a guy make copy tribal, some people are going for counter synergies. But me, I’m trying to assemble psychic corrosion/sphinx’s tutelage and fathom sage/generous patron combo.
Yeeee I already have all 4 decks pre-ordered and have been planning on making a liberty prime deck. Huge fan of fallout & already ordered a bunch of energy synergy cards from card kingdom. This video was made for me lol.
Crossing my fingers for an Esper Sentinel skin for Sarah Lyons in the Secret lair. How flavorful would that be with her rank being Sentinel. Then can throw that in liberty prime.
You ever do an update to this, There is a super cheap card called Whirler virtuoso -1/I/M 2/3 veldalken artificier creature, When it enters the battlefield you get 3 energy counters, Pay 3 energy counters : create a 1/1 colorless thopter artifact creature token with flying. Combine it with another super cheap card, Decoction module a 2 artifact whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, You get 1 energy counter, 4tap - return target creature you control to owners hand., its the first part you want, Because gonti's gives you 2 energy counters for the same, Now you have infinite Thopters, With Li or Panhan you have Infinite energy as well and can then sac gontis to take the extra turn and overrun people with an army of thopters, All under 5 bucks to do Edit; Gonti's has gone way up to 19 bucks and panharm is 3 but li is only 1, virtuoso is .40 and decoction is .50 so still a super cheap combo to end out the game if you can't tron up Liberty
The flavor reason for the plasma caster ability: The plasma casters would either hit for shit damage or melt the target into a puddle of green goo. It was like all or nothing and the ammo was expensive.
Secret to our table is you can’t see the final answer any one person gives until revealed and once one person reveals all the other answers are locked as well. No taksies backsies
IF I do some upgrading I will probably proxy some of the cards to in universe flavor them of course I would own the real card if people want me to use it but examples: Using Mole Miners for goblins Gonti's Aether Heart would be the Beryllium Agitator I will have to think of a few more for them but I like to keep the flavor but I also like to make the deck competitive enough to see play
Fun Fact: If you did the penny thing at 1:29:05, you'd shoot past the sun going from square 46 to 47, and overshoot the Sun by nearly 40 million miles.
My play group ran the four and at the end it came down to rad counters. Last player had 5 life and 7 rad and hit in order land, land then 5 non land to lose the game. It was nuts. We loved it
Did we not cut any lands from Mothman? I know there is some landfall in the deck but didn’t it come with like 40 lands? Mad add Ruin crab for more landfall. Especially if I add Kodama. Bruvac also a mill more card I’m considering.
When I was watching Spike Feeders, where one of the players in one of the games was hit with a [[Overencumbered]], and had to struggle to do anything for several turns, I realised it depends entirely on who gets hit with this. As you say 52:35 it's not great if the opponent you use it on isn't an artifact hoarder... but that's the case with lots of Magic cards. Lots of cards aren't good outside of their use-case. EDIT: Are we sure [[Red Death, Shipwrecker]] wasn't accidentally included in the wrong list when they assembled these precons?? shouldn't it be in the mutant deck?... Nope, wrong colour. Maybe that's what caused the switch. Maybe they made the card it's called Red, so it's coloured red. Then they realised it couldn't go in the mutant deck when they settled on that decks colours, so they just switched it. EDIT2: [[The Motherlode, Excavator]] should really have had it's ETB and Attack triggers switched. When it attacks, it's mining someone else's land for energy, and when it ETBs it's destroying one specific land (setting up the surface site of the mine). EDIT:3 i think [[Piper Wright, Publick Reporter]] may be the card in the Mutant Menace deck that actually belongs in the Science! deck.
I like the Mothman precon more, though it's more that I've had a Sultai deck that always is kinda underpreforming for a longer while, so it's more likely to do better with moving cards around into it, and I love proliferate as a theme so there may be changes going on that way too. The amount of WUR decks we've been being fed over the last year is... quite high.
My all-time favorite play with Master Transmuter? Bounce Ornithopter for Darksteel Forge. Nowadays, I'd bounce Ornithopter for Portal to Phyrexia, given how strong that ETB is. Edit: One of the easiest upgrades to Liberty Prime is Tameshi, Reality Architect. The card is at $6.99 on TCGPlayer at the high end. And for 2/U, you get a card draw and reanimator engine that is self-contained, plus you get synergy with Master Transmuter. All in all, a pretty good synergy card which already does what the deck wants to do. Edit 2: For the Mothman deck, if you are trying to mill players out, I have 4 cards to add to the deck: First: Alter of Dementia. This card, being an artifact, is so strong with Mothman's milling/Rad counter strategy. Second: Primal Vigor/Doubling Season. The ability to double Rad counters is ridiculous! Third: Szadek, Lord of Secrets. If you lean into the reanimator aspect of Mothman, you're not paying 7 mana for a Legendary Vampire that, instead of dealing combat damage, mills X cards, where X is equal to his power, and then put X +1/+1 counters on Szadek that is equal to the number of cards milled. And, he is a 5/5 flier starting out. Four: Two-card combo: Reito's Lantern and Tunnel Vision. Reito's Lantern is a 3-generic artifact where you can put any card from a graveyard at the bottom of the library. Now, why would you do that? Tunnel Vision. 5/U sorcery. Name a card in target player's library. That player mills until they reveal the named card. Otherwise, shuffle the library. Pair these two cards with copy effects, or perhaps creature-based spell recursion in Blue, these two cards can easily mill players out in a Sultai milling deck.
We haven't seen the video of them playing yet right? I feel like he did some spoilery stuff there telling us a bit about his gameplay in an upcoming episode xD
I'm pretty sure Goblin Welder was in the Derreti Commander deck. So if you can get that or were lucky enough to pick it up when it first came out (like me) you just saved yourself $18
Can you use the t-45 power armor 'untap' ability on liberty Prime seeing as he doesn't technically tap in the first lace due to vigilance?? Wanted to check what people think
The upgrade pricing is always amusing, because they never stay that price when this video comes out. Once the deck is fully leaked, not to mention these videos released, those cards shoot up in price. For instance, the Aetherworks Marvel is priced at $2.50, whereas current pricing has it over $8. Still a great video with a lot of good information about the deck design and philosophy behind the upgrades.
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What do you think of these precons? Any cards we missed? Any cards we suggested to take out or add that you disagree with? Which do you think is more SPECIAL?
I think Brian Kib-I mean KYLE here is the most special of all things featured this episode ✨
Waste Not?
I love them but I'd love to see upgrades based around The Master, Transcendent as the commander for the Mutant Menance deck!!
Love the new pre-cons and love the episode! However I think you missed that wake the past is not a new card from the fallout set, its been around since C21
Kyle Hill was the most special addition, more please!
He made a couple of mistakes naming cards etc., but it was cool to see Kibler on the podcast!
And Kibler managed to make it the entire time without flicking any cards! He could learn a thing or two from that Kyle Hill fella.
Chris-Hemsworth-we-have-at-home keeping this bit going gives me joy in life. 😊
claiming to be a fallout fan and not mentioning fallout 1 and 2 and saying fallout 3 is more popular then NV which is considered to be the best of them all (and no we dont talk about 76) tsk tsk good episode tho =)
I hate hate hate Farewell. Just because I'm very, "Use the graveyard as a resource." and exiling just feels so bad for me. :P
That said, This is my second favorite art for it. The first being The Doctor
Do you think the Kibs would be into cards like Old Rutstein in the Mothman deck? Seems like it would be a house
Kyle being all over the place like a golden retriever and Rachel trying to keep him in check and to not spoil game knights is a really funny dynamic
Yeah she is like the new dogsitter who can't really control his energy 😅
How much of the next game knights do you want to spoil?
Kyle Hill:
You have to have Kyle Hill involved with decks based on a game about a nuclear Apocalypse
The most fun thing about playing Liberty Prime is going to be pointing at your opponents and saying "Democracy is non-negotiable!" or "Designation: Liberty Prime. Operational assessment: All systems nominal. Primary directive: War."
Spoilers....not spoilers since Kyle is on the episode you would expect him to play on either Game Knights or Extra Turns lol. Either way, loving all of this!!!!
"I don't think we have an effect like this in magic yet" he says, referring to Wake the Past, a card from 2021 lmao
I came here looking for this exact comment lol
It does kinda feel like the precons have a bunch of cards in each of them that are almost designed for you to swap out into one of the other decks.
Feel like they do that to curb the power level of the decks and to promote buying the full cycle. Every UB cycle has decks that share colors with almost every other deck in the cycle.
Secretly doesn't mean you can't talk. It just means that you choose before seeing what others choose. While the card resolves, you can't say what you're choosing, however you can say anything you want before the choice actually needs to be made, you can lie or change your mind, but you can say anything.
One thing worth noting when you mentioned roaming throne, is that since Master Ascendant reanimates milled stuff as mutants, you can duplicate all of those abilities as well.
It is a tap ability to reanimate using the master which is not affected by roaming throne which only cares about triggered abilities
@@rhysticbuddy61Yes, but the creatures he reanimates become 3/3 mutants, so you can get multiple triggered abilities off of whatever you reanimate, which is what I was trying to get at.
Rachel looked so haunted when she mentioned cutting cards for the science deck. Great video, and excited to see Kyle on Game Knights!
lily actually gets up to being a 32/32 before it drops down.
And if we got counter doublers 😈 we start having fun
I totally missed it was 16 or less. I figured you could finagle to 30 by getting her power to 15 at least.
Osgir, the Reconstructor seems like a great addition to the energy deck since you are playing graveyard sinergies. Also cursed mirror.
It's interesting that Kyle says SCIENCE! is stronger; everything I've heard online says that mutant menace is the better precon.
Wake the past is a card from commander 2021, is not new from fallout right? ❤😅
Yes, Sometimes they dont check stuff.
Having Brian Kibler here felt refreshing. Not only he knows his Fallout and science stuff, but the fact he's not as perfectly in sync with Rachel (as the rest of the Command Zone cast would be) adds a lot of fun moments to the podcast. The 1:16:22 to 1:17:06 bit has to be one of the best this podcast has to offer.
I just wonder why you didn't get Kyle Hill for this one.
Idk if someone has mentioned this, but Wake the Past has been a MTG card since strixhaven. I forget whether it was main set or C21, but it's definitely a lorehold card.
It was in the Osgir precon if i remember correctly, or it was in the set. nobody talked about it for years and now suddenly its amazing. crazy right.
Just to comment Lily Bowen says 16 or less so it will actually get up to a 32/32 before losing her counters and gaining you 31 life.
Yeah everyone really misses that bit. They see the sixteen and just stop thinking lol.
1:47:49 Fun thing to point out is that Lily doesn't cap at 16, she caps at 32. At start of turn if she's 16 or less double her power so for one turn cycle you'll get a 32 power creature.
So when I get to 32! On ur next upkeep you would removed all but 1 and gain 31 life ? On the very next turn.
The deck is so confusing and im still learning 😅😅😅 this card seems like it would be a good one to keep to gain extra life
@@adr4940 yes.
She'd enter with 2.
Next turn double to 4, then 8, then 16, and on the next turn because it says 16 or less she'll double one more time and go to 32.
Then, on your next upkeep because she's at 32 you'd remove 31 counters and gain 31 life
That’s a pretty strong card to me if someone doesn’t take it out as soon as u put it down lol 😅
Kyle is really underestimating how popular Mothman as a figure in general is
It is also one of the positive things about Fallout 76 that storyline was fun.
For the Mothman( which i really love) my upgrades are: "Peregrin Took" + "Nuka Cola Vending Machine"( thx Science-Deck) + "Grinding Station" = Endless Mill.
Second Combo is, after playing something like Nuclear Fallout, or just after a boardwhipe: "The Master" + "Intruder Alert" and something that gives haste. Tap him, get a creature, untap to do "intruder alert", repeat until you have all the sweet stuff from the graveyards.
Last I am thinking about, which is a bit harder to pull of is "Volo, Guide to Monsters" + "Food Chain" + "Shrieking Drake": Cast the Shrieking Drake, copy with volo, bounce the original with its own ability, sac the copy to foodchain, do a lot of times and then end the Game by playing Radstorm and proliferate all the Rad-Counters. Or instead of "Volo" + "Food Chain"+"Drake" i take the Zombie-Route. Play the Rad Zombie(+1/+1 Counter for every creature that died this tourn) + "Grave Crawler" + "Phyrexian Alter". Sac the Grave Crawler in the Alter and play him from graveyard and do until your zombie is stupidly strong and then sac him to give every opponent a massive tones of Rad-Counters.
End Yes, I´ll play him for the Rad-Counters, so the Peregrin Took combo is just a game closer.
Gotta give Respect to the legend Kyle. An all around stand up guy and wonderful Sci Guy.
@kylehill did a great job with these upgrades! Love how he did the upgrades with a plan to win in mind and did a great job explaining his process for the upgrades and cuts! Command Zone should bring him back more often to do more decks!!
Seeing kyle struggle to talk about gameknights and not spoile anything is so funny and just like him😂
Keep it up my guy, you got this
This is awesome. So great to see Kyle doing a video like this. We❤you Kyle.
This was an awesome upgrade guide! Kyle Hill is such as awesome guest to have on the show!! Bring him on more.
It's amazing how elated one can be at hearing "STATS!" Great job, TCZ. Much love.
Rise of the Dark Realms secret lair printing is $30 but God I love the way it looks like one of the fallout comic books, I'm putting it in the Mothman deck
I had to look it up, but yep it really does.
interesting to watch Kyle in the CZ podcast format, as his brain works so fast it seemed tricky at times to find a rhythm & not step on Rachel's insights (who is also a rather quick witted individual). i am impressed with how the CZ podcasters share their ideas but also let the other podcaster speak in a natural rhythm. (that said, the episode was great & Kyle's rad, of course... [pun intended]. i look forward to his Game Knight's antics.)
Having Kyle Hill on this episode is an extremely welcome surprise. The more magic content from Kyle the better.
I feel like there are three more cards that are also autoincludes in mothman:
-undead alchemist: mills and is a mill payoff
-memory erosion: repeatable mill for only 3 mana
-breach the multiverse... Like the primordeal, but also mills 10
I picked up all the upgrades suggested and a few more besides. Thanks Brian Kibbler!
What an amazing duo, I love Brian Kibler
My first commamder deck was also a Sharuum the Hegemon artifact deck. Master Transumuter was my favorite card in that deck
Why would you get rid of proliferation in a deck that you’re humming and hawing about not getting enough rad counters out when comparing the two at the end? 2:00:12
Next up: Star Wars Mtg, with Palpetine as your Commander, with the text: Order 56, all permanents not under your control change their alliance, untap and have haste until end of your turn.
Cephalid illusionist for mothman is almost a full deck milled. Also did you know that mothman can target also your opponents stuff? So you can use him as a political pawn or you could add cowardice to transform him into a removal engine
about altar of the brood: let's say in a game with 4 players, each opponent putting the top card into his graveyard means wisemoth have potentially(considering they mill nonland) 3 triggers to add +1/+1 or only one +1/+1?
Came back to this video because I bought the Mothman precon in Vegas over the weekend. My favorite deck I have built is combos around energy and Dr. Madison. I won a game this weekend with an infinite energy combo created 4,000 tapped Securitrons got an extra turn with Gonti's Aether Heart destroyed everyone. And said "The House always wins!" Dream come true.
I've only been lukewarm about this set but I will watch Kyle Hill talk about anything so I'm here for it.
After watching Kyle take control in the Fallout episode, I knew I wanted to get this deck. Looks like I'll be dusting off my old commander decks to deck test with the precon. And maybe I'll order the upgrade cards as well. On the flipside, the mutant deck looks really good as well. Might even pick that one up as well in the future
This was worth it just for the Kirby with human feet reference!
For Expert Level Safe. You can do the same number every time if you want someone to know. I just played rock paper scissors, even referenced the funny cards "scissor lizard" and such. If it was a tie, then the safe was unlocked. I used it as a form of card draw. I put what I didn't like in the safe in combination to work station card
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It's awesome watching some one revel in the flavor, theme, and art of the game.
The Master Transcendent goes completely nutty with Altar of the Brood and Intruder Alarm.
If you get some good mills on a person (via Rad Counters or other means) with a lot of creatures, you could very well see half their deck suddenly on your side of the board.
I think whats fun with adding all those goblins to the science deck is you can think of them as mini mutants!
Vault 13: looks intended for ETB effects. Can do it for creatures to liberty prime combo with Austere Command. Negotiate with one person for whom you will return to the battle field. 3+ person game results in 1+ cards at bottom of library.
I played Mothman in a 2HG event at my lgs last night. My partner played a slightly nodded Caesar deck and we may not have synergized very well, but we still ran the table. Rad counters saved us in the last game where it was another Mothman paired with Dogmeat and that synergy scared us
I think austere command was chosen specifically as a combo. It kills a bunch. You can keep liberty prime on the board. You can loose him and or knock out other big stompies. You can blow up all artifacts and the bring them back with one of the two artifact ress cards. If you res artifacts with the symmetric card, you have equip advantage since you have the mana available to spend and re-equip things while others don't, also a lot of your artifacts are creatures, also it's a way to bounce for energy using the face commander.
Awesome video on these two precons guys! I wanted to point out that while Great Value Thor was talking about The Wise Mothman 1:09:05 it sounds like someone is making an animal balloon in the background...or is it.. The Wise Mothman himself 🤔😅
My upgrade list for the mutant deck.
[CREATURES]
1 Thrummingbird
1 The Mycotyrant
1 Tekuthal, Inquiry Dominus
1 Mycoloth
1 Syr Konrad, the Grim
1 Muldrotha, the Gravetide
[ARTIFACTS]
1 Mindcrank
[SORCERIES]
1 Breach the Multiverse
[ENCHANTMENTS]
1 Bloodchief Ascension
1 Doubling Season
Oh i been waitin for this. Let's see the Mothman!
49:47 Secretly voting is awesome. It can add buffing, and or trickier in the discussion as the effect is resolving. Are you truthful about what you said you would do? Or will you be greedy and try and trick them so you get more of a benefit? The pre vote dicussion is super fun, imo.
Kyle spoiling parts of the Game Knights episode😂
I pulled 2 roaming thrones. I am so lucky, didn’t realize how much it was worth until now. It was hanging around 15.. but now like 30?
I didn’t give a single dang about the science! deck until y’all started talking about it, and now I must play it 👀 lmao I had the same thought y’all had about Dr Li being durdley and boring, but y’all’s list looks fun! (I already planned on playing mutants so that’s not news for me 😅)
Phyrexians pulling up to Fallout: “Was your planet always this… broken?”
This was a great video tho to mention clues draw you cards so it does help in self mill strategies not just the plus one counters. The upgrade were great for both decks. It’s tough to choose between the fallout deck this video definitely helps.
1:08:50 argument to be made here for Simic Manipulator and Cytoplast Manipulator - give opposing creatures counters so you can steal ‘em.
“It’s what I recommend because I’m correct” -Kyle Hill
This guys my hero
Sting, the glinting dagger can untap the master at the beginning of every combat. Pretty neat synergy for anyone wanting to run him
Aetherworks Marvel only 2.75? I'm assuming that these decks were spoiled before Feb 12th? Either that or people in the loop bought it out because the price shot up over 2 weeks ago.
Exactly the same with Gonti's as well.
Kyle hill: I don’t want to give away any spoilers
Also kyle hill: which is also relevant on game knights (for the fourth time)
All these cards I bought for the osgir precon finally get to see some use again!
Oh sweet, the same two I picked up! This is exactly the video I've been waiting for
Mothman deck...
Breach the multiverse
Virtue of persistence
Tanazir quandrix
Guiltfeeder
Ringsight
From the catacombs
Genesis
Grimoire of the dead
Wow I loved that Factor ad!
Everyone is building mothman differently. You guys are going for the mill wincon, I saw a guy make copy tribal, some people are going for counter synergies. But me, I’m trying to assemble psychic corrosion/sphinx’s tutelage and fathom sage/generous patron combo.
I'm going wide with infect
Yeeee I already have all 4 decks pre-ordered and have been planning on making a liberty prime deck. Huge fan of fallout & already ordered a bunch of energy synergy cards from card kingdom. This video was made for me lol.
lol me too first time I’ve ever preordered all 4. Wish there were a few more reprints but the more I look at the new cards the more excited I get
Crossing my fingers for an Esper Sentinel skin for Sarah Lyons in the Secret lair. How flavorful would that be with her rank being Sentinel. Then can throw that in liberty prime.
You ever do an update to this, There is a super cheap card called Whirler virtuoso -1/I/M 2/3 veldalken artificier creature, When it enters the battlefield you get 3 energy counters, Pay 3 energy counters : create a 1/1 colorless thopter artifact creature token with flying.
Combine it with another super cheap card, Decoction module a 2 artifact whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control, You get 1 energy counter, 4tap - return target creature you control to owners hand., its the first part you want, Because gonti's gives you 2 energy counters for the same, Now you have infinite Thopters, With Li or Panhan you have Infinite energy as well and can then sac gontis to take the extra turn and overrun people with an army of thopters, All under 5 bucks to do
Edit; Gonti's has gone way up to 19 bucks and panharm is 3 but li is only 1, virtuoso is .40 and decoction is .50 so still a super cheap combo to end out the game if you can't tron up Liberty
I'll watch just cuz discount Thor/Brian
I love this deck design. It is fun playing a deck that has a different way to mill.
The flavor reason for the plasma caster ability: The plasma casters would either hit for shit damage or melt the target into a puddle of green goo. It was like all or nothing and the ammo was expensive.
Secret to our table is you can’t see the final answer any one person gives until revealed and once one person reveals all the other answers are locked as well. No taksies backsies
Ya’ll really just tried to tell me that I wouldn’t spend any extra by shopping via card kingdom. Come on now.
IF I do some upgrading I will probably proxy some of the cards to in universe flavor them of course I would own the real card if people want me to use it but examples:
Using Mole Miners for goblins
Gonti's Aether Heart would be the Beryllium Agitator
I will have to think of a few more for them but I like to keep the flavor but I also like to make the deck competitive enough to see play
Fun Fact: If you did the penny thing at 1:29:05, you'd shoot past the sun going from square 46 to 47, and overshoot the Sun by nearly 40 million miles.
My play group ran the four and at the end it came down to rad counters. Last player had 5 life and 7 rad and hit in order land, land then 5 non land to lose the game. It was nuts. We loved it
I am so excited for this deck!
Thanks you it was awesone to hear it about the Fallout from science Kyle keep it UP commande zone peace front Switzerland 🇨🇭
Did we not cut any lands from Mothman? I know there is some landfall in the deck but didn’t it come with like 40 lands? Mad add Ruin crab for more landfall. Especially if I add Kodama. Bruvac also a mill more card I’m considering.
Will keening stone trigger the moth man ability or does it specifically have to be milled not just sent from the top ?
literally saw this video and they are the 2 decks i preordered
this is truly just the most flavorful MTG set released.
I did the battle box thing with the doctor who decks made a Doctor deck using all of the tardis art cards
When I was watching Spike Feeders, where one of the players in one of the games was hit with a [[Overencumbered]], and had to struggle to do anything for several turns, I realised it depends entirely on who gets hit with this. As you say 52:35 it's not great if the opponent you use it on isn't an artifact hoarder... but that's the case with lots of Magic cards. Lots of cards aren't good outside of their use-case.
EDIT: Are we sure [[Red Death, Shipwrecker]] wasn't accidentally included in the wrong list when they assembled these precons?? shouldn't it be in the mutant deck?... Nope, wrong colour. Maybe that's what caused the switch. Maybe they made the card it's called Red, so it's coloured red. Then they realised it couldn't go in the mutant deck when they settled on that decks colours, so they just switched it.
EDIT2: [[The Motherlode, Excavator]] should really have had it's ETB and Attack triggers switched. When it attacks, it's mining someone else's land for energy, and when it ETBs it's destroying one specific land (setting up the surface site of the mine).
EDIT:3 i think [[Piper Wright, Publick Reporter]] may be the card in the Mutant Menace deck that actually belongs in the Science! deck.
if im throwing in the roaming throne, ive only played a couple games, what would the 11th card to take out be...?
I like the Mothman precon more, though it's more that I've had a Sultai deck that always is kinda underpreforming for a longer while, so it's more likely to do better with moving cards around into it, and I love proliferate as a theme so there may be changes going on that way too.
The amount of WUR decks we've been being fed over the last year is... quite high.
My all-time favorite play with Master Transmuter?
Bounce Ornithopter for Darksteel Forge. Nowadays, I'd bounce Ornithopter for Portal to Phyrexia, given how strong that ETB is.
Edit: One of the easiest upgrades to Liberty Prime is Tameshi, Reality Architect. The card is at $6.99 on TCGPlayer at the high end. And for 2/U, you get a card draw and reanimator engine that is self-contained, plus you get synergy with Master Transmuter. All in all, a pretty good synergy card which already does what the deck wants to do.
Edit 2: For the Mothman deck, if you are trying to mill players out, I have 4 cards to add to the deck:
First: Alter of Dementia. This card, being an artifact, is so strong with Mothman's milling/Rad counter strategy.
Second: Primal Vigor/Doubling Season. The ability to double Rad counters is ridiculous!
Third: Szadek, Lord of Secrets. If you lean into the reanimator aspect of Mothman, you're not paying 7 mana for a Legendary Vampire that, instead of dealing combat damage, mills X cards, where X is equal to his power, and then put X +1/+1 counters on Szadek that is equal to the number of cards milled. And, he is a 5/5 flier starting out.
Four: Two-card combo: Reito's Lantern and Tunnel Vision. Reito's Lantern is a 3-generic artifact where you can put any card from a graveyard at the bottom of the library. Now, why would you do that? Tunnel Vision. 5/U sorcery. Name a card in target player's library. That player mills until they reveal the named card. Otherwise, shuffle the library. Pair these two cards with copy effects, or perhaps creature-based spell recursion in Blue, these two cards can easily mill players out in a Sultai milling deck.
The master, transcendent in an insidious roots deck sounds fun
We haven't seen the video of them playing yet right? I feel like he did some spoilery stuff there telling us a bit about his gameplay in an upcoming episode xD
how would you upgrade the lands in the science precon
I'm pretty sure Goblin Welder was in the Derreti Commander deck. So if you can get that or were lucky enough to pick it up when it first came out (like me) you just saved yourself $18
Can you use the t-45 power armor 'untap' ability on liberty Prime seeing as he doesn't technically tap in the first lace due to vigilance?? Wanted to check what people think
Ok, now that I hear KH's sciencing, I like the Science! deck even more. Thanks!
What's Brian kibler doing here? Lol lol
The upgrade pricing is always amusing, because they never stay that price when this video comes out. Once the deck is fully leaked, not to mention these videos released, those cards shoot up in price. For instance, the Aetherworks Marvel is priced at $2.50, whereas current pricing has it over $8.
Still a great video with a lot of good information about the deck design and philosophy behind the upgrades.
I'm hype for Kyle Hill to be on!!!!
50:22 It's a secret to everybody.