Dies To Removal Episode 9: 7 Highly Annoying Habits Of Magic: The Gathering Players
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2019
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I'm loving the Twin Peaks VHS collection. Is that the entire series? That's my favorite psychological horror series.
in regards to #3 I cannot spare the money to get the amount of tokens my Rhys deck pumps out and be able to rightfully bring it to a tournament, (see; why yugioh added a max deck limit) unless you want me running around with a trolley crew of knight tokens elf tokens elf knight tokens beast tokens citizen tokens vampire tokens Spirit tokens(cause I can get upwards of 300 each and they come in multiple colors) so please deal with my single token of each, each baring a 999 counter okay.
Rhys, the Redeemed (is the card I am referring too)
and in regards to taps an untapped i always try to have a counter to represent tapped and untapped (i get those 3 digit spin counters and adjust them s necessary)
Everyone repeat after me: 👏 IF 👏YOU 👏 CAN 👏 AFFORD 👏 LEGACY 👏 YOU 👏 CAN 👏 AFFORD 👏 SOAP 👏
And modern. Im a modern player and i see people playing with 300-1000 dollar decks, and smell like they havent wiped their cheeks in a month
And this was before the whole toilet paper scare by the way
@@baconbenjidestroyer I... I'm sry?
funny thing is my friends mock me for taking care way to much of my hygiene. what can i say i heat sweat and stench.
@@emyron1843 He meant what he said
"Many magic the gathering players ask the question: 'is it worth it to buy Irish Spring Body Wash?'"
Irish Spring is my boi
I loved Irish spring until I found out I have eczema and anything but Dove turns me into Killer Croc
That stuff burns my skin
For April Fools Prof should do a soap review
Excellent
Wizards Of The West Coast should release a soap/hygiene product called “Magic The Lathering”
I like this comment
Get this on shark tank
My housemate makes d20 soaps. You can even get them scented.
I think it’s Yugioh that can throw you out for your hygiene... or lack of it.
Amen to that.
I have a +1/+1 because of my “enchanted evening” body wash. Blue aura. 🧼
God this whole podcast is an example of why the professor is great.
As for that Vince guy... eh not so much
That opening skit was effing brilliant
That punchline was amazing
Haha he Hollywood him pretty hard
I didn't get it. Maybe I'm too new to MTG?
@@Davidbruun It's not really an MtG-centered gag.
The intro has the Professor acting like he thinks Vince is a fan, not recognizing him as the co-host of his channel's show--politely trying to excuse himself out of the conversation as quickly as possible, thinking he wants an autograph, taking a selfie.
The last line turns it around and reveals that he knows who Vince is, he's just a deluded asshole. (When going for self-deprecating jokes, the Professor often paints himself as a deluded jerk who's barely even aware of other people.)
@@Davidbruun hehe. I think the punchline was basically, “you’re acting like I don’t know you” after acting like he didn’t know him, which confirmed the perspective that he was acting that way out of a “Hollywood” elitism, rather than accidentally being dismissive :)
Mad respect for admitting your hygiene issues you had as a kid to your fanbase. It was very brave and goodwilled toward "many magic the gathering players" who you genuinely helped in this video. Good work
Magic players with bad hygiene was a problem in 1995 so it should be fixed soon
2021: Covid has destroyed in store play, everyone has to play arena or spell table. BO doesn't go through mic. Hygiene is soft patched by WotC.
They should sell soap packages eith reserved list cards in them. That ought to do it.
I remember being 10 years old walking into a GP with my dad and him gagging aloud and shouting, “WHY DOES EVERYONE HERE SMELL LIKE SHIT?” That was 1996, so I bet the hygiene thing will be fixed soon.
I personally feel like I take losses too personally when I’m with my friends because I start to feel as if everyone is now looking down on me or my deck because I couldn’t pull a win. I really want to change that about myself so I can actually enjoy a game even after losing
I find myself in similar situations, but for different reasons. My decks are fairly powerful, and I'm usually capable of winning before my opponents have even caught up to me. But I don't because I want to keep playing the game. Then I end up losing because one of their decks ramps up faster than I was expecting and takes me out. Then they gloat about how easy it was to beat me. I should just try and take them out asap, but I enjoy building up massive armies with my opponents and then battling it out.
Win or lose doesn't matter to me as long as it's a good battle. I hate the games that are over in the first few turns from super aggressive decks or crazy infinite combo
I take winning too hard. I feel guilty because I've gone and eliminated someone from our fun game. Someone I'm close with and who I care about. And I went and killed them. Which is why I intend to be more callous and try and take more joy in the few instances I manage to stomp my buddies.
I call my more low powered decks "kingmakers" as they don't usually win but can influence the game enough to where I can more or less pick who wins and honestly after stomping my playgroup for the first year or so I do find it more enjoyable
learning how to lose is just as important as learning how to win, I think
how to learn from it and improve, and how to not get too upset. in the end, it's just another game of Magic, and that's what you're here for right?
If you can afford magic the gathering cards, you can afford soap! :))
And toothpaste...I've sat across from so many people and you can see the plaque on their teeth and it's rancid. Edit: My partner has a good trick for this, she always carries gum because it's a really innocent thing to offer someone especially if you're having some yourself.
Bubble Gum Rules!!!
And then they begin chewing with their mouth open and you consider suicide
who takes a shower with soap, no wonder people stink. Gotta atleast use some shower gel
But even if they've washed with soap that very morning, as soon as they start sweating, it can make some people's armpits smell REALLY bad. Deodorant and/or antiperspirant is an important 2nd step.
Prof: Next week: the seven highly annoying habits of the professor.
Vince: ONLY SEVEN!?
I'd say the intro and outro music to his videos are the most annoying lol
At one time, I was looking to get into more competitive play. On the advice of a friend, I started training myself to constantly flick my cards, specifically to distract my opponents.
I actually did rethink my life because of that.
I don't know it's just a passive thing I do while I'm thinking...I also tend to chew on the inside of my lip,and being angry at people's subconscious ticks is fucking stupid.
@@xXCigarXx it's a learned behavior designed specifically to give yourself an out of game advantage. whether you're conscious of that is irrelevant.
Excusing bad and unsportsmanlike behavior because someone doesn't want to introspect and cut it out is frankly pathetic.
@@Chance57 some people have adhd or autism asshole
@@xXCigarXx The comment was literally about people doing it on purpose.
Can I ask you what your goal is? Like why do people play these games in the first place? Are you playing 100% to win no matter what and to be the absolute best? Are you playing so that you can meet people and hopefully friends?
If you are trying to be the 100% best or whatever then do what you want, but if you are trying to meet friends and stuff the being annoying is probably not the best strategy.
I think men have a fantasy of, "oh if I am at the best at something people will finally like me and respect me", bad strategy IMO lol. If you are annoying know one is going to want to deal with you surprise surprise. Would YOU tolerate someone who is annoying to you, NO, so why would you expect other people to tolerate you? What makes you special?
Truth is that if you are annoying to me I am not going to want to be anywhere near you. That's the REALITY of the situation.
On the Bonus Habit: I have an Omnath EDH deck which runs like 30 basic lands. Every Forest and every Mountain in the deck is different artwork from all different sets. For me this was one way of "blinging" out the deck. since there are so many basics in it I wanted each one to be unique (which is actually quite fitting for commander). It rarely ever happens that people notice the different basics, but if they do they usually find the idea great.
I do this as well. So much great artwork to enjoy! As you said, it's rarely noticed but it's always well received.
That IS an awesome idea!
59:00 Last year I went to my LGS for our weekly Modern. I was very, very quiet and silent (usually I'm extremely social and outgoing). My opponent (a guy I barely knew) asked if there was anything wrong after I beat him (with Merfolk, yay us!) and I dropped: "last week my wife divorced me". I was in a very bad place and did my best (actually worst) to alienate everyone and everything around me.
He went on to support me and gave very kind words. The guy I just beat very badly. He was amazing and I'm proud to call him a friend nowadays.
Everyone may have a bad day or be in a dark place, but with proper communication and a little help from our friends, anything can improve. And that's the beauty of playing a social, interactive and diverse game such as MTG, we should always learn how to improve as players while eliminating bad habits.
And yeah. Showering and brushing teeth everyday, for Richard Garfield's sake. At least once a day. At least.
Sorry four your divorce. That's an awesome story of what the community can do. Thanks for sharing!
Prof: So I just beat you in a game, and I want to be a gracious winner. What should I do?
Vince: Plug my channel
Prof: "Oh, do you have a youtube channel?"
Professor, about the hygiene, that was a very personal story you told and I deeply appreciate you opening yourself up in that way! That took some balls, and I respect you so much more for it!
Everyone keeps forgetting the true punchline to the Storm Crow Joke: Dies to Shock. Not Lightning Bolt. Just Shock.
Oh boy, the part about people watching over your shoulder when you play.... I didn't really get this until a few weeks ago when the CEDH group at my LGS arranged a Cedh casual tournament with unlimited number of proxies so we all could play high-level edh for fun! The event was great, but the first round left a bad taste. We had a pod with a Teferi chain, Meren stax, me in tasigur control and one random combo deck I can't remember. So out of the gate we knew it was gonna go long, and we had 60 min. So we play and everyone else finished like 40 min into the game. We go to time and we all have one turn each to try and win. Everyone, like 20 people, was standing around our table, watching, talking and sighing. And the teferi player started his turn and said he thought he could win, but it was the first time he played the deck so it was gonna take a moment for him to see the line. And he started doing his thing, trying to explain how he was gonna win which is not the exactly a 2-card combo, and keep in mind all the people hawking us. Some of the guys started complaining, so we could hear, how slow we were and how we should just go to the next game. And the poor guy tried to do his line as fast as he could. It got to the point where I had to turn around in my seat and say to the guys sighing and complaining that the had to calm down and respect that he was new and that they stressed us all out if our minds. And that they should just sit down and stop staring and sighing. Most did but some almost got offended. I'm 21.... I shouldn't have to tell grown men that it's stressful having them standing over you, judging you for 30 minutes straight...
Otherwise it was a good game :D
HodorForHire fuck slow players
I'm both new and generally slow and I'm glad that there'd be people sticking up for me!
@@mariannaark5899 we got you dude :)
Yeah you shouldn't give people that are new to cedh a deck such as Teferi
@@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena people should mind their damn business and play at their damn tables instead of gawking at other players tables half the time being weirdos. Like you brought your own decks and I’m assuming your own friends to play with so go play and judge your friends instead of strangers you don’t know.
I’ve found that the best way to break the ice and get conversation going is to have a ridiculous method of determining who goes first. I’ve done many Rock Paper Scissors matches, a breath holding contest, a thumb war, and staring contest before.
I'm stealing the thumb war idea.
In competitive REL it has to be random :P but for casual, you do you.
I play my first land "IN ATTACK POSITION." That usually works as an ice breaker while also making them laugh.
@@cutecommie I didn't know that was a Yugioh reference and I still thought it was funny :v
I would hate you for that, really
7: Bad Hygiene 6:35
6: Joke Overkill 17:40
5: Communication During Gameplay 23:50
4: Card Flicking 32:20
Bonus Giving Players Grief About Art/Border 38:25
3: Coming Unprepared To An Event (No Tokens, etc.) 40:40
2: Being A Bad Winner 47:35
1: Being A Bad Loser 52:15
Thank you
I had a player once tell me his bad hygiene was a stratagem because the smell caused his opponents to not be able to focus on the game... I was floored.
When it comes to tokens, the minimum you need is three. The three states represented being tapped, untapped, and summoning sick. Then you can use dice to count how many of each. This matters more for the huge amount of tokens like a Last hope ult, empty the warrens or stuff like that.
Also a thing for storm players, keep a unsleeved basic land for each land type, then put dice on that land in order to count floating mana of the represented color. I also use an energy token or a storm crow in order to represent the storm count in the same way.
You only need 2 tokens, since Untapped and Summoning Sick are effectively the same in representing the boardstate.
it gets complicated though if you have tokens that are getting counters on them, then i would say you need more
@@Mentifiar they actually are not... There are a few cards that only affect tapped cards, one example I have on my mind is Seal Away...
@@cacs2201 Yes, one token for tapped and one token for untapped is literally what I am saying. There is no difference between untapped and summoning sick, when displaying a board state.
@@Mentifiar there is
Summoning sickness monsters can't be affected by cards that day "tapped" like Seal Away, they only can't attack
Don't feel bad talking about hygiene. Wash yo stank self. But it's not just Magic players. It's comic or anime conventions, it's arcades, it's essentially anywhere where people with less-than-perfect social skill congregate. Good hygiene is part of good social skills.
So your nicely saying any where fat lazy food in the beard haven't showed in a week has had the same clothes on for days in a row ( that never get washed) congregate? Lol!!!!!
It's people of any sort with an obsession. IT's really a kind of mild mental illness and it happens to a lot of us. It happened to me when i learned programming and when i built a business online. You ONLY care about that thing. Thats the reason we should try to disuade people when we see that behavior. IT's hard to do though because when youre in that mindset its probably partially because youre avoiding contact with anyone who isnt just like you
confidence and hygeine also are correlated
As someone who has spent a lot of time at anime conventions, I can second that it is not just MTG players who don't know what soap and water is.
@@cdreid99999 On that side note, going to a Magic gamenight should effectivly disrupt said obsession session.
Youre actually going to meet different people, take a shower. There is NO reason not to take a shower.
Three minutes in, and "legally distinct Tarmagoyf" earns a thumbs up.
I've just looked up the tower-shell.
Big, Green, Tough
Unblockable against blue.
Attacks Slowly
Giant Turtle!
Nice flavour win :)
*Brian Kibler has joined the chat*
#4 - Card Flicki...
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Keep your cards still. No one needs to hear you flick your commons.
jeremy debraccio I do it as an alternative to shaking the table with my leg shaking.
Not As As I’ve been trying to cut down on it, ever since I’ve lost a game to it, I had slippery sleeves (new,) and I attacked all out as a “hells heart I stab at thee!” Gesture because this gross merfolk deck was crushing my cute pirate deck, and I threw my trumpet-blast (Dino stampede) across the table by accident... he blocked and I failed to steal that game...
Card flicking helps me focus. It's probably one of the reasons I've never gotten a slow play warning.
I used to manage a very large help desk with Dell and I had to have my fair amount of conversations about hygiene and I'll tell you, it never felt good. Props to both of you for addressing this, and remaining very kind about the topic. Thanks again.
The Hygiene point was very well-made, while we should all be decent and welcoming to us, the other side of that is being decent and hygienic for others. It's kind of a two-way street.
I still love this one so much
The skit at the start when proff acknowledged he knows Vincent you then realise how much of a burn the "people and know and like" barb was a few moments earlier
This show how culture is so different from one to another, in Brazil we are usually have 2 or 3 showers every day, in a very hot country with a very high humidity, staying too long without a shower is terrible
It is also about water availability, Brazil and Mexico have the highest shower per week in the world, but in Europe showering daily in winter is nuts.
@@rodzeroher I don't think water availability is the factor per se, as Brazil has a big problem with water availability as well (it has a big semi-arid and savannah-like areas there that not many people mention because folks only know Amazon forest and it's not like they are small areas). Also, clean water isn't accessible to most of the population. Still Brazillians go out of their to wash themselves and be presentable in any social event/meeting.
Also, not as bad as some European countries winter for sure, but the most densely populated areas in Brazil have very similar winters to the hotter parts of Europe. Because of the humidity of these areas, the cold will be sharper as well when it drops to 15C or less. I live in a dry area where winter temperature varies around 5C to 10C and it doesn't feel as bad as Sao Paulo 10C to 15C winter. Still they will go out of their way to wash. They may even lack proper showers and use more rudimentary means, but they will do it.
It's a Brazillian thing that lot of non-Brazillians know about. They don't wash just to be clean per se. It's more to be presentable in public as well.
@@ddwkcWater availability is a big issue in some places. Where I live in Australia (which is mostly hot) there is a town nearby with water-usage restrictions of 20 Litres per day. That isn't really enough to wash yourself, your clothes, and your dishes... and drink. So, obviously, something's gotta give.
It's not a simple situation, but it is made even worse when younger people keep the hygiene attitudes of the older generation without considering how their lifestyles have changed. Smelling bad isn't such a big deal when you are a farmer standing with 3 other people in a windy field that is 50,000 hectares in size and you're covered in cow poop anyway... but standing in an LGS? Different story.
What I (and a lot of people) do is pack an un-obtrusive deodorant in my carry-bag.
@@TommysLittleWilly I understand that. I believe this is the norm is most places. I'm not saying this as a put down to anyone living in very cold or very dry areas. However, like I said, Brazil has also similar areas like Australia. Very desert-like, still they have the habit of taking a bath before going to do any social gathering. Personally I have no idea how the poor Brazilians manage that, still they do. It's not like they have a bath culture like East-Asians do, but this is a little known quirky behavior from them.
I was searching for a Brazilian name to ask if this lack of hygiene happens here on MTG events. Lol It would be surprising if it does.
Storm crow became a joke because it was top 8 in an ice age GP, specifically so you could play necropotence, then dig for FOW, to counter their necropotence. After that it became a joke that SC became the most important part of the deck.
I wasn't around for black summer but that was physically painful to read. That deck was ridiculous from my understanding.
@@ZhangHe2369 I played mono red at the time, it was nuts
Holy crap, is that why storm crow is such a meme?
@@Nanook128 yeah. It could have been any card, but crow was the one they happened to have
Honestly, my number one issue is when people bring foreign versions of weird / complicated cards with no English copy of the card on hand. So many cards have complex / easily forgotten lines of text on them that can matter in niche situations and expecting your opponent to play against them off of memory alone is borderline cheating.
Players of other games have their own ”card flicking”. Hearthstone players often click frantically on the game board, live poker players play around with their chips in various ways etc.
Blanccosvn yeah before magic, I played competitive Pokémon TCG for years. Everyone “card flicked” and no one ever brought it up. Why magic players get irritated by this is beyond me.
@@NB4fun Different Cultures I guess. I was a competitive YuGiOh Player before I joined the magic community and in YuGiOh we don't beat around the bush, the stench is remarkable and yugitubers have been making videos about it for years. No joke, Konami (the company who makes yugioh) legit released tournament rules a year or two ago that state that if you stink bad enough they can and will straight up refuse you entry. I believe it was something like that, that they can kick you out for stench. I do believe I remember them updating their rules and site and being like "please shower before the event" too 😄
Can the other players even see your clicks in HS?
@@benhensley3621 I don't think so yeah
The last i checked the other person could not see the player clicking around the board
Game courtesy speak is extremely important, you should announce every step. It is super annoying when people play fast and loose. Also it is much better for newcomers to follow steps and understand how the stack works.
I carry 16 polyraptor tokens with my gruul dinosaur deck and its still not enough
Lololol someone's got an infinite combo!
There is a polyraptor token?
i had a similar issue with my mirror sigil sargent deck.
Then you doin it right
What i like to do is carry 3 tokens and 3 d20 the 3 tokens will be for the untapped/tapped/summoning sickness its proven to be quite effective
Lol that intro was like the greatest thing when he's like yes Vince, you're acting like I don't know you
At FNM
I always play out all my games, even when I'm losing every game. Some players just want to get games in and make friends. It's not always about winning or drop. Sometimes you can mentor a new payer since your striking out and not focused on your next match. Have FUN!
I wonder why deodorant companies haven’t started advertising at Magic events?🤔
I don't see why not. They've already done it with razors... www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/03/02
ROI isn't there ;)
Because the average MTG player happily spends 1500$ on a Modern deck, but is too cheap to spend 2$ on a Coke, don't even start with Deo.
Deodorants really have bad smell. Personally I hate them as they usually use things inside on which I am allergic.
I've been to a few gaming conventions where they hand out free samples.
I appreciate the comment about communication. Magic has been around so long now, that many of us who started in college with Alpha are into our 50s now. Until Mtg starts making large-print cards, especially during prereleases when the cards are often unfamiliar, I ask my opponents to announce power and toughness or allow me to look at the card closely because I can't read from that far away any longer. I swear sometimes it feels like I'm asking for a kidney when I request this!
I don't understand why people get so bothered. Please take and read my cards. Ask questions or for me to repeat stuff. I would rather you understand than have a mix up later
Wear Glasses
@@Harv88 they are glasses, not magnifying glasses. Cards have small print and sometimes a lot of text so they need to be picked up and read. Yes, I wear glasses.
Haven't been watching you guys long, just random stuff on for background. Wasn't sure how I felt about the prof until the art/border rant. Right the f on dude 0 lies detected.
Back in my revised/4th era, whenever I noticed someone looking tilted after a loss I didn't leave them alone. I'd go back to the highlight reel and tell them either something I saw that they did awesome, or some time I felt I had to rush something or use a card sub optimally because I was scared of X they had, etc. 9 times out of 10 their face lights up and all of the sudden they're talking about what they love about their deck instead of dwelling on a tough loss late in a tourney. Give them their thunder back and if you pick a legitimate good play or combo they had so they can tell the compliment is genuine, they'll get back in the right head space to take it as a learning event. Maybe it's a different era now I don't know, your mileage may vary.
I use Yugioh token as my tokens. I actually go out and look for tokens that look like what I’m casting, so my fliers all have wings and different fliers for different types of creatures and goblins things and soldiers. People usually get a kick out of it and I’ve enjoyed finding them. Some are pretty rare!
I don't shower because i play zombies, adds flavor!
zoolog2012 literally
lmfao
sloth9669 too slow for that.
* too slow to post that.
Gross!
Very informative podcast :) I find that I can be a sore loser from time to time, but I tend to direct it at myself moreso than others. I always love the banter you two share while also providing very informative content. Looking forward to the next one.
"I don't want to smell like Gimli"
Great quote! :)
Honestly, smelling like beer, smoke, and musk would still be a better alternative than the nasty biological warfare I have been subjected to at my FLGS
"Issue 6 is Joke Overkill"
Looks like Dredge got a new toy
I unintentionally shuffle the cards in my hand. I don’t flick them but I’m sure there are plenty of others that do it without thinking about it.
Guilty of card shuffling myself but I don't see a problem with it because it fairly silent and hot distracting
I do it too and it no where near the professor's rediculous bongo lesson or his beatnik jazz rhythm.
so to sum this video up, it's about people being socially unskilled (or maybe intentionally ignorant)
I think that comes from the fact that magic the gathering is a game for people who aren't "normal" and are weird and strange. Not everyone is like this but some people are.
It's impossible to be intentionally ignorant. If you know what you are doing, you aren't ignorant.
i would have said intentionally rude
@@calebhortman1971 But the thing is, I've always wondered why socially weird, fat, ugly, greasy, people flock to things like magic, yugioh, dnd and so on? How come clique stereotypes occur? And why do they tend to be proven correct.
@@bryanbutchmartin9260 sorry for the necro, but honestly i am surprised that scientists havent done research on this stuff, consider it would be quite the interesting report/study
To everybody watching this video: I am sorry I shuffle the cards in my hand. I don't flick them or make noise intentionally, I just have OCD and tend to fidget when I'm anxious or concentrating. The insides of my cheeks are chewed to all hell as well from this. I'm not trying to tilt you =[
One thing that was missed... your opinion DOES NOT matter. Lots of magic players think they know it all when it comes magic and feel their opinions are the only way. Yes, friendly discussion why card x is better than card y or why duel commander is superior to edh can be had. But saying the other person is dumb cuz you know it all is actually dumb of a premise on it's own.
I find that the MOST annoying part of magic players.
This applies to every gaming community tbh
@@kiria1975 Yeah, you are probably right :D. Still not less annoying. Goes hand in hand with poor winning and losing. all gaming communities do it
I hadn't played mtg in a year and went to my old LGS to play Modern FNM (which I ended up placing second!). I ended up making a miss play which cost me the game (not round). After the round an observer leaned over to me and said "If you want to learn how to actually play Jund..." I made one mistake, doesn't mean I don't know how to play the deck. This is one thing that also annoys me to no end.
It's a big difference to miss play as opposed to asking your opponent "How do I combo KCI again?"
There is an inherent (minor) contradiction, which makes this great: the individual needs/preferences vs the needs/preferences of the larger group. Most of these can be sorted to the label of 'do things within a reasonable limit' under the caveat that 'it doesn't entirely negatively affect those around you'. I enjoy flicking my cards, just like you enjoy silence. So, how do we resolve that impasse? Some could argue that interpreting the game in a 'cone of silence' is elitist and only one interpretation of how this game can be played. I like banter, and informality. I agree with the art (although some may argue that mismatching can be confusing and detrimental/ and somewhat deceitful in the context of gameplay); but, it just serves to substantiate my point...
TLDR: Another person's flicking, is another person's silence. Let's just agree to a set of gameplay morays before the match, and have fun.
Well said
About the token thing. What I do in my krenko deck, I look for a goblin tokens that looks like the character is attacking (for instance the guilds of ravnica goblin) for tapped/attacking tokens and for the untapped tokens a sitting or just hanging character (ravnica allegiance or m15 goblin).
I just bought 20 dragons of tarkir tokens. I call them fluffies. But when I have more than like 8 I resort to using two dice and two tokens to represent tapped/untapped goblins.
Wouter Castermans that’s actually genius.
Glad to see another dies to removal. These are for sure my favorite videos you have made. Although your other content is great like product reviews. Thanks for the great videos
I also love this series. Its because the episodes are so long i think. Cant get enough!
These guys have some real passion for magic, they really care.
45:20
"Dime" comes from French which comes from Latin "decimus" which means "tenth" ... similar to "decimate" (to kill or kill every tenth soldier).
Vince had a great filming setup and really nice lighting. I’d like to see the professor do something similar.
In regards to flicking your cards: I’ve actively had to set my hand down when I’m not actively planning on casting spells because it has become second nature to flick through my hand.
I tend to even if I plan to play something I have my hand ready for it and then I put my hand on the table.
I play it like poker. Calmly. Cards on the table if I don't actively need them. I do think it's done deliciously a lot of the time to distract. If it was done strategically like some people claim, it's info neutral at best. A better strategy would be bait and switch for card positions in your hand. That's even if you think your opponent is making those mental notes.
Forcing a push and having them to pick what you want them to with subtle manipulations is way better than a random draw because you've been non-stop shuffling your hand at light speed and is loudly as possible.
Hey Prof, thanks for the video. It was really interesting, and I think you give a good example of the humility the world needs. Thank you and keep on doing the good work!
Nice content guys, I agree with all the points. The meet up at the beginning reminded me of how it must feel to meet Rudy for the first time lol
I have to disagree on card flicking. I love the sound and the motions and it relaxes me IMMENSELY. But that being said, if someone asks me to stop, I will absolutely stop.
stay70573 dats the important part! ^_^
Cool, but please please PLEASEEEE just make sure the other persons cool with it because it can be as annoying as banging the table, playing music, clicking a pen, ect ect.
:Social Contracts" is a clear trigger word for the prof lmao
Characters in Lord of the rings did use soap when they could btw.
I loved this episode, thanks guys. EVERYONE can learn something from this, new or experienced.
The storm crow joke goes back to this one mtg novel where urza says that he is a storm crow, a bird of ill omen.
With regard to card flicking, I would encourage people to watch the coverage of the final of MC Cleveland. The calm, collected, precise way that Autumn handles their cards is so refreshing. In my opinion it conveys a confidence and determination that is infinitely more intimidating than any amount of pointless flicking. Coverage remarked on numerous occasions on Autumn's countenance and I believe that the absence of flicking was a large part in projecting supreme confidence in their ability to play their deck.
This was a great episode gentlemen . I thought you drew attention to some important issues. Moreover it would have been all too easy to have come across as preachy and you avoided this admirably in my opinion. One slight criticism if I may (and I recognise this may well just be a personal preference); I found how close Vince was to the camera throughout to be disconcerting. I respectfully suggest to sit further back. Look how the Professor frames himself in the shot for reference.
Have a link?
@@whatever8509 I believe this is it. ruclips.net/video/q6muaSvWriw/видео.html&ab_channel=PlayMTG
With number 4 - the card flicking - there are two levels. There is fiddling with your cards and then there is doing it very loudly and constantly, to the point where it is distracting to your opponent.
There is an important distinction. As you guys mentioned a lot, it is about having respect for other people.
I love these videos!!! I also love playing and collecting magic cards!! Haven't had a chance to play at an event yet, but i do play Magic Arena on Steam! ;) Thanks guys!!
When I first started playing MTG I created a sliver EDH deck based on the professor's Sliver Overlord Deck Tech and I wanted to put in one copy of each full art basically. No matching cards here. Btw my burn deck in modern only has a few matching sets of cards. I've got all different bolts, goblin guides, and others.
1. Grabbing sleeved cards from the sleeve opening, to pick them up.
2. Poor Hygiene.
3. Lands placed closer to the opponent.
4. Placing the deck to hide the view of the graveyard.
5. Using a bunch of d6s, instead of using 1-2 d20 countdown dice for a single card.
6. Grabbing cards without permission.
7. Opponent refusing permission to allow you to read their card.
8. Players fiddling with their phone mid-game.
9. Listening to music/wearing headphones mid-game.
10. Players constantly shuffling their hand while waiting their turn.
You just saved me soo much time
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I posted this before watching their vid, so some of their list may be different.
@@Battleguild what's wrong with using a bunch of 6-sided dice for a single card?
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2-3? That's fine.
12-30+ I'd like to be able to see/read the card if I need to.
I'm the opposite of number 5 I usually go "untap, upkeep, draw, land, go" it helps me not make a mistake and it helps avoid problems by making every know when priority is passed
Going through all the podcasts to find a specific intro joke for a buddy. And I gotta say, this one was very good.
“I had all of these” is an appropriate response to “I would have won if”.
I find it acceptable to use two token cards with dice on them to represent the tokens I create (tapped and untapped). A wad of tokens simply won't fit well inside the "150-card" plastic deck boxes that people use with Commander decks.
a simple way to tap a dice token: move it the space above your playmat. If there is no room, move them off to the left or right portion of your playmat. Use repositioning instead of reorienting.
Fantastic video! As a person with autism I have had to overcome many social challenges. It is not easy but it is vital and respectful to others if you put yourself in a social situation. Have respect for yourself then those around you. Next, there can be a stigma to get into MTG and even with people I have known for a few years inviting me out there are so many unknowns in FNM. There are many positive people in this community but still I have been put off times from being a regular and over the years I have learned I am not alone. A feeling of, do I really want to work hard to learn this new game and new expansion and open myself up to the cool kids club of high school all over again. The game I love but being the, "Hey me too guys!", person all over again is not easy for anyone. The game is already overwhelming for newer players, then perhaps they are not great with people, (many of us nerds can be awkward), then you throw someone who almost feels like a bully or elitist in the mix, making you feel like an ass for wasting their time. Or maybe that person who has been in that shop for years is seriously bored with their deck that week thus a lack of communication or talking with other people but barely engaging the newer player even when they are asking questions. Finally being a bad sport as winners and losers and being the newer person, it can all add up to a not fun night for someone who paid to enjoy a game with others. I have had easier times getting into sports at the park with random supportive people or getting into a random D&D group than getting into the MTG community at times.
The finger snapping the Prof did was practically the same sound as card flicking, and nobody would stand for someone snapping their fingers the entire game.
Dynamic Sheep for me its not even the sound that makes me want to punch the person...but the actual flipping through their cards over and over and over like they cant wait to finish the match to go smoke another crack rock.
@@omegablast2002 i do it all the time on accident. My bad. Guess you want to punch me.
Practically the same.....not even close....you are exaggerating excessively.
@@senoreverything6366 for some people it's just a tick....I do it when I play poker too...people complaining can suck a dick.
Card flicking drives me nuts. I went in on this video just to see if this would make the list.
Moises Bueno lets print stop that into modern.
I'm truly sorry, because I'm one of those people. Tic that helps me think.
Agreed. It's just like clicking a pen. It's annoying for everyone except the person doing it. "If it was designed to tilt people, how come the majority of Magic players do it?"
It's one of the reasons I don't like playing competitive magic players(I play mainly limited or commander at FNMs), it makes me feel really anxious but I don't like to say anything.
@@veggiedragon1000 Say something. You're in the right.
I have probably been a bad winner and a bad loser, in my playing carreer.
I usually try not to, because yeah, it's horrible!
I loved this video. I thought at first it was something 'personal' maybe, or something trivial and instead it was one hour of EXCELLENT content and a very well thought video. Congratulations!
Those skits at the beginning are so wonderful.
The thing about card flickering for me is that certain noises kind of..trigger anxiousness and card shuffling is one of them. Certain people are affected differently by different kinds of sounds.
If card shuffling triggers you....you probably shouldn't play trading card games.....like....what the fuck....or play mtgo....no card flicking online.
Grabby 👏 Hands 👏 (without permission)
Dont touch my f#cking cards without my f#cking permission. The worst is "hey can I see your trades binder" (proceeds to take out all the cards they want). congrats not only did you not bring money to buy these cards but I'm not interested in anything in your binder and now I have to reorganize my stuff and make sure you didnt steal anything.
Sorry if I'm harsh but I've had terrible experiences, Stolen cards damage cards.
It’s basic decency really. Ask first ya troglodytes!
I personally like mixing arts, certain foils and what not. Gives me superstitious cues of how my deck is pulling.
I totally agree with you about flicking cards ! it's so ennoying. and I think there is certain level of "hey look at me, I'm a great player, I flick my cards just like a pro", a certain level of contempt, which i really dislike
if you don't want to watch an hour long video-7- bad hygiene, 6- Joke Overkill, 5- Communication during Gameplay, 4- Card Flicking, 3- coming unprepaired for an event, 2- bad winners, 1- bad losers, bonus bad habit- giving players grief about art/border
I always have reservations going to FNM or especially pre release because of those silent players who just throw around cards assuming you know what they just cast. I like to look at the cards and read and learn. You can always learn something. As for sore loser, I may be one of those few people who can say “Woah, good game! You completely wrecked me on that hand! That’s impressive right there. If you win it all, may all your packs contain foil rares and mythics”.
Local LGS was selling a Storm Crow in iits front case for $9999. Such a good deal, so I bought it.
On preparedness: Just buy a pack of index cards and cut them to about the size of a Magic card. Label the ones that you'll need for your deck, keep some blank for unexpected tokens (like Beast Within), and use some for life trackers. An extremely budget friendly way to be prepared (even if most tokens are extremity cheap).
I like the card flicking argument. I'm 100% on the prof's side. I hate flicking.
But the proff snaps his cards down on the table! It drives me nuts! I dont think he can say much then! :P
People who shuffle their cards a thousand times before making a play are the absolute worst. That bothers me more then anything, and many pro players are guilty of it. Its those small tick like behavior that is for some reason irksome.. Like that person who keeps clicking their pen in class when their bored.
@@gliath888 I do this out of habit, I picked it up when I played seriously, after drawing I would shuffle my hand a few times to not give information about what I just drew or maybe I was looking for. Sounds silly but if you see someone pick up a card and play it immediate you actually get information on where they are in terms on hand.
@@unixtreme I understand why people do it and there is a reasonable amount of shuffling/tactical misdirection and hiding tells that isn't bothersome, just like when playing Poker. What does bother me and many other people is when they are staring at their hand for a very long time, sigh, shuffle it a bunch times while looking at board, stare at hand again, rinse, repeat and extra 3-4 times before FINALLY making a really simple play. like Jesus christ. i understand you have difficult choice, and the outcome could very well decide the game, but other people just want to play and get it over with and dont have all day. That's why professional chess games use timers, because indecision could make games last an eternity.
I think I've managed to avoid doing any of these 99% of the time, but I have been a sore loser before. It was mostly because a guy ruined my Unstable draft because he decided this silver border un set wacky FNM was suddenly a PTQ or something and kept getting on my ass about EVERYTHING, constantly, and he was nooot nice about it despite insisting that he was. How I tapped my lands and creatures was a big deal to him because they weren't in the right direction, and me not having tokens (in a draft!) was also something he dug into me about. I tried so hard to beat him bc he was such a dick and when I lost it just crushed me, especially because I got very close. I think halfway through I stopped talking to him because he was just awful. Ended up dropping after that and crying in my car for a bit because I'm a softie and he had just made me that miserable. At an UNSTABLE draft! I think he got banned from the store after I told the owner thankfully but man. I feel like it was kind of justifiable to be a sore loser in this case though :(
If it makes you feel any better just know that he will probably die sad and alone :)
@34:15 that’s exactly how I move cards in my hand. Because I detest, abhor even, my opponent rapidly flicking their cards.
All of these are spot on. I find myself guilty of #1 sometimes when playing Limited and I feel that my deck (and/or myself) didn't perform up to expectations.
For #3: All you need is 2 copies of one token. One to designate tapped and one for untapped. For hard to acquire/corner case tokens (like clones), there are a number of websites out there that let you make tokens which you can print out. I did that for each of the creatures that I intend to create token copies of in my Brudiclad EDH deck.
For #5: As someone who plays a ton of EDH, it always floors me when I sit down at a table and one of the players doesn't talk and then complains when they get killed first. Communication is a must in that format. The ability to build social good will amongst your opponents through communication can change the course of a game and elevate the game experience for everyone.
> Cone of Silence
OMG, a Get Smart reference from the Professor! :)
I love old cards where they had multiple arts for each. I like running a full 4 of a card with 4 different artworks.
I know that this is gonna come across as VERY "Spike-ish" of me, and I know that not everyone values winning as the most important thing in a game of Magic...but it's actually better, in a competitive sense, to run 4 copies of a card that all have the same art (as opposed to differing artwork).
The reason for this being; it keeps the opponent guessing. If you were to play 4 copies of Tarmogoyf, and one of them has different artwork, and in the first game your opponent kills one with artwork-A and one with artwork-B, then in the second game goes on to kill two, both of which feature artwork-A, they'll automatically know you're at LEAST running one more Tarmogoyf (that being the one with artwork-B).
Whereas in Game 1 if they kill two Tarmogoyfs, and both feature the SAME artwork, they'll have gained no new, additional information in Game 2 if they kill two Goyf's again that have the same artwork. They won't automatically know you're playing at least 3 (or 4). They'll only know about the two they've seen thus far that look exactly the same, potentially allowing you to slam your third 'Goyf when they were totally not expecting it.
That's a pretty piss-poor example, but I suspect you'll get my drift lol. 😂😂😂
@@conkyjoe8932 I get what you're saying. It's understandable in a competitive sense. I just really like diversity, plus I don't play too much competitive magic.
@@theBlueFox2Totally understandable haha. I won't lie, I have to REALLY fight with myself at times to not run cards with differing artwork.
I ALSO have to fight with myself to constantly run Snow basics (whose art I neither prefer, nor find varied enough) over normal basics, bc competitively there's no scenario really where it's MORE beneficial to run normals over Snows, but there are actually a few situations where you'd wanna have Snows as opposed to normals. I miss the days of getting to run all the Islands from across the various Innistrad sets I love so much 😢😢😢 lol
I and those I have brought in to Magic have built a habit of always clearly stating every spell we cast, even stating the land we play. And you should always state what mode you choose.
I'm with you on that. I narrate pretty much every single action I take as it helps me to avoid misplays and missed triggers etc as well as think through what I want to do next. I started doing this shortly after I first started playing when I realized that I kept forgetting to draw for turn, so I established the habit of audibly saying "Untap, upkeep, draw" as I went through the phases at the beginning of each of my turns and it just grew from there.
I couldn't stop that if I tried. You'd have to ball gag me. As a transplant from Yu-Gi-Oh, practically everybody in my entire town played it with a battle phase chart on the side of the play area and with constant narration. I never got into watching the show and I know a lot of the narration came from people trying to emulate the show, I just picked it up from them. It makes for a very clear play and when I moved to MTG being very clear with exactly what I was doing and when and what phase it was stayed important.
On the topic of tokens, post it notes are great. I picked that one up from glhf.
On a side note my prossh edh deck requires a 200 card box.
Well I guess I’ll have to start taking a weekly shower instead of a monthly shower.
Any improvement is appreciated, my dude
In all honesty: I listen to every episode just waiting for the "Do you have a youtube channel?"
Opening bit was incredible lol. Absolutely flippin fantastic 😂
thanks for this video - i think i definitely needed to hear a couple of these
So Vince only gets to have lunch with the Prof in fan meetups then.
whilst the pair of you cover the hygien situation well i would like to say something for those this is actualy relevent to minorly in thier defence that alot of people dont take the time to consider when handling this situation. There can be those that are suffering strongly from depresion or other mental health situations that can be in a situation that making even minimal efforts seem almost unbeatable.
I had a period where for around a month i was struggling and was to a state where all i was doing was waking up mabe eating 1 meal and then doing nothing till it was time to sleep again. I was greatly aware that i needed to fix this and get out of this situation but i was struggling and didnt know how. eventualy through very close friends and family i started forcing myself to soicaly interact 3 times a week outside where i lived, MTG was one of the things i was able to focus on and get myself out of the flat to deal with but it took me a while till i was at the stage that i was in a better routine and was able to properly take care of myself.
whilst this is not a defence for someone that is habitualy having hygiene issues please also give peple a chance before you just jump on them
It's a sour pill to swallow. No one's happy bringing the subject up. But the truth is it isn't acceptable to go to an LGS smelling badly. There's no excuse that makes up for forcing people to smell your body odor. No excuse. I've dealt with depression. And I've never claimed to have perfect hygiene (my missing tooth is proof of that.) Taking a shower before going out in public takes minimal effort. The only reason that people do stuff like walk around with bad hygiene is because they're too focused on their own self pity to feel embarrassment from something like BO. It's depression + selfishness. If you have the mental capacity to play a complex strategy game, then you also have the capacity to use soap.
@@Murrdurrurr , fir someone that cklaims to have had deprresion damn thats a very judgmental view you have of someone else thats has issues. No its not selfshness its self worth. its not having the mental capcity to play the game thats the problem its having the self belife that you are worth the effort on anything for yourself. whe you hit a low as feeling that you dont matter and that theres is no point in making an effort in ahything you do because no one cares about you. At the time forcing myself into social situations was way to build up the belife that anything in life and my place in it mattered
I'm not saying its acceptable to keep going out like that and im not saying it isnt a problem when someone goes out like that im saying to be careful of just makiing a snap desicision and judging someone on a 1 or 2 time thing when you see comments like "well if you can afford the cards you can afford soap" or to aproach someone about it negativly if its not a regular occurance. I'm asking people to be cautious and show compasion (like they do in the video) becaue if its someone trying to actualy build up thier self worth again you could rip it all apart by pointing out something they likely all ready know
@@thomas-bx8wm The point is that you don't get to "have a chance to build up for self-worth" by forcing your stench on to strangers. I'm with the depression pity party right up to the point where people aren't showering. It's common courtesy. And when you're throwing that out the window, you don't deserve anything in return.
@@Murrdurrurr lets just go with your lucky you have never hit that lvl of depresion that you cant understand where im comming from. And i hope no one you know ever does as you clearly dont think they are worth your effort based on that last cmment. Its not a pity party I'm going for trust me. When i hit that low i didnt want pity, i didnt want to be out, i didnt want to do anything than curl up in a bed, if i had my choice i would of not been out in public. the fact is i had people that did care about me and did force me out of that. I wasnt forcing anything on other people, people were forcing me into those situations when forced out i wouldnt interact with the rest of the community where ever i was i would just be in a corner with the same 1 or 2 people that had forced me out unless others made the effort to come to our group. but looking back now im sure that maybe others were aware of "my stench" (nice use of agrsseive laguge for it btw when talking about self asteme issues when im asking for people to be thoughtful about how they handle it)
As ive already said I'm not saying its fine to be a consitant problem. I'm saying there is a way to handle it (the way vince and the prof talk about it here) and a way not to handle it and alot of what i see in the comments is not the right way to handle it if someone is at that much of a low point. there is a differnce between saying maybe your not aware and saying your a bad person you should feel bad
For pre-releases, I don't like to pour over the set list for strategies beforehand because I like to be surprised, but I do see what tokens are in the set, which aren't new, I can bring to be prepared for if I or my opponents need those tokens. Makes life way easier.