@ashuraotsutsuki88 quiero armar una PC desde 0 bro, y estoy viendo si mejor me sale irme por am5 para tener margen de actualización a futuro, pero aún no se cómo hacer una buena build
Proves my point which I keep telling, unless you buy a 4090 don't bother with these cached CPUs. Even then, overclock your memory with tight timings and that will even get you closer if not on par.
this is a cope the X3D is excels at games like RTS try becnhmark some RTS games with 5700x and 5700X3D you will see massive difference for triple AAA games its not that big deal
Absolutely not. You don't need a 4090 to benefit. I noticed much much better 1% lows with the 5800X3D, 7600X and 7800X3D vs my older 5600x,5800x,5900x range of CPU's. I am only using a 6900XT and 6950XT and I certainly have a much better gaming experience. 3D vcache helps achieve the most consistant FPS for any midrange GPU or better. Heck I just snagged a $140 5700X3D for my garage PC that only has a GTX1080, 32gb 3200mhz C16 ram and if you focus quality settings lower and remove any caps your 3D vcache improvements will even shine in that scenario once you configure it to be more CPU limited. I paid $20 out of pocket as I sold the 5700X for $120 less than a week later.
5700x competes pretty good with 5700x3d due to higher clock speed in game (4.6 vs 4.1). Average speed is almost within margin of error for many games eventhough it has lower cache. 1% and 0.1% is where the 5700x3d shines. If you game at 1080p, 5700x3d is the best choice. for 1440p or 4K, 5700x almost performs the same as 5700x3d. I agree with people saying 5800x3d is a better choice because it boost higher clockspeed but 5700x3d has way lower price. I purposely downgrade from 5800x3d to 5700x because i mostly game at 4K. 5700x is cooler and the performance is acceptable for me.
yow buddy know it's months past but I have rx 7800xt with r5 3600 and mostly play at 2k/60-75.fps in your opinion 5700x3d over 5700x(which im leaning in to based on what your saying or 5800x?
my 5700x runs at the same as a 5800x in games, i hit a steady 4850mhz due to per core undervolting, my scores also compete with the 5800x, i use water cooling so maybe that helps also. Great CPU.
I currently have a 5700X unopened in its box but im planning on selling it for a 5700X3D to play at 1440p with a RX 7800 XT, do you think it would be best if I just keep my 5700X instead?
It's not that big of a difference. I don't think it's worth it to upgrade to that 3D CPU. You might as well get the next best CPU in my opinion. It's definitely not worth it
after i watch another review, you can combo 5700x3d with 4070 super or above that, cause in this review just he use 4070 so the GPU bottlenecking the CPU
Everyone who commented that the GPU caused a bottleneck: CS GO and Apex are using way more CPU. You can see that the 5700x3d doesn't improve the FPS in these games in FHD that much. The price of 5700x is now 80-100 $/€ cheeper and it makes no sense to buy a 5700x3d if the price stays in that area.
@@marculetzc1366 hey mate. building a new pc for cs2 here. what does 1% change for cs2 i have no idea about that. I want to buy the 5700x because low cpu temps vs very high temps on the x3d. Appreciate the help
This decides things for me. I have a secondary living room PC with a 3600 non-X on a B550 board and a 3080. Very cramped microATX HTPC case where the GPU takes most of the space. Can only fit a modest CPU cooler and also want to keep the wattage low to keep everything cool and let the GPU breathe. I built with a cheap used CPU so I could spend more on other parts and upgrade later. RPCS3 and Gamecube emulation are my only primary tasks where CPU performance is really meaningful. All Zen 3 CPUs from 5600 and up are plenty to push the 3080 in my usual PC games but X3D offers no benefit for emulation. This means higher clocks are much more beneficial for me than the 3D cache. 5700X gets nearly the same clocks as the 105W 5800X, better than 5700X3D AND 5800X3D, and is a 65W TDP CPU. So when you take the benefits of X3D out of the equation and consider the limitations of this particular situation, the 5700X is the only choice that makes sense. Bonus they're dirt cheap used. TL;DR, 5700X is the perfect fit for my needs because the PC it's going into needs to run low wattage and does demanding emulation. Every other chip in the line uses more power, or has lower clockspeeds, or has less cores. This makes the 5700X a freakishly good fit for a microATX emulator/HTPC.
Guys Nobody(almost) will play FHD with 4090. If you have 4090 , 4080 , 3090 you usually buy at least 2440p or 4k monitor. But I am building PC for my girlfriend and I already bought 16x2 dual rank samsung b-die chips. So 5700x will benefit more than x3d from rams.(I overclock very tight) We will have 180hz FHD monitor and GPU like 4060ti or 3080. So these video is amazing for me!! It is realistic not theoretical. I will usually be GPU bounded with enough FPS and even if am not I don't want more than 180hz because monitor is already 180. So 5700x is practically 5700x3d for me with %40 cheaper. And for daily use 5700x better! These video is amazing man.
3D is worth it only if you own a 4080 and above....Anything below and the differences are minimal .Plus the single core performance that is crucial still for many games is similar also.
I like this test because 99% of us dont own a 4090. I own a rog 3070ti lets me know im throwing money away for minimal gains. 5700x cheap tower cooler fast ram b450m its running quite well. The money i save will build me another rc race boat.... or some car tires.
yes. that why regular revie sux. they put a 4080 or a 4090...i know they dont want bottleneck but we need the ideal setup and a benchmark in a REAL SCENARIO. because omg, most ppl will get 5700x or 5700x3d with some between an rx7600 or 4070. Few ppl will use 4070 ti / 7800xt or above to play with am4
Hi, which CPU would you recommend between the 5700x and 5700x3d for both gaming and overall usage like little bit of light compression - decompression, Coding, heavy browsing, video playback etc? Does the x3d feel little bit slow compared to the standard 5700x for day-to-day tasks because of its slower clock speed? I have a b450 mobo and rx 6700xt GPU and im confused between these two for my final upgrade on AM4. I sure want higher FPS in games but i do not want my system to feel slow/sluggish outside of gaming. I want to know your thoughts since you have both as i've seen in your videos. Thanks
5700X3D all the way. Modern day CPU's do not feel slow. A good clean install of your operating system on a good quality NVMe storage drive is a big part of a snappy fast PC. 5700x has higher clock speed sure but 5700X3D at 4.1ghz won't make day to day feel any slower. I have owned almost all Zen3 CPU's and recently bought a 5700X3D for $140 and sold my 5700X for $120. I have had a 3600,5600,5600x,5700x and now a 5700x3D (in my shop PC) and for the day to day browsing use there is zero noticeable speed difference. The 3D chip will run the heavier production type tasks a hair slower but the triple L3 cache can really step up the performance tier into the AM5 7600/7600x/7700 range on the games that love cache. But if someone is paying $200+ I really wouldn't spend that much for AM4. I would be buying a $175 7600X, sell my old hardware and buy some good deal B650 board. The premium Gskill Flare X CL30 6000MT ram is only $84 for 32gb right now and you can get good boards around $120-140 and up. 5700X3D is great if the price is right like $140-170 total or if it is for someone that dreads to do a bigger combo upgrade. The drop in upgrade is nice to have but for me the value just isn't there if you spend too much. Might as well go AM5 even a 7500F would be better use of money spent.
@@45eno Would you say the video above is showing the wrong games then? Besides the competitive games I see little to no difference between the two. a little more on the lows but overall performance only 5 fps or so. What kind of games benefit more from the cache? others are saying the higher clock speed is making up for it but I'd bet there's situations where it comes in handy.
I have the same spec too (b450m and rx6700xt) bottlenecking on a 3500x. Im looking for the same answers too so imma comment hear to get updates from this discussion
Just found a guy selling a used 5700X3D. Bought it for $140 and sold the 5700X for $120. Not bad cheap $20 upgrade. Really didn't need more CPU for the resolution and framerate target paired with a GTX1080 but it will last longer and resell better down the road. Gave up clock speed though which sucks as not all games leverage the vcache much. O well, it's the new shiny thing.
А если ещё 5700x разогнать на +200мгц, что довольно легко и установить значение Curve на -30, то разница будет ещё меньше, что полностью убивает смысл в 5700x3d. Смысл переходить на 5700x3d есть только в случае если вы, ранее использовали Ryzen 1000/2000/3000, только в этом случае вы заметите ощутимый прирост.
Сравни результаты этих камней на других каналах и радости у тебя станет меньше. У этого чувака в двух видео подряд могут быть у одного процессора разные цифры. Хз как он их меряет
@@igorkulakov2845 а зачем мне овер много фпс, меня как бы 60+ на ультрах вполне устраивает, и во многих проектах не меньше сотки. Да и люди многие пишут на торговых площадках, что пересев на 5700х3дэ, разницу после 5600- 5600х они не увидели и никакой прибавки фпс, разве что в таркове, для которого собственно они и покупают 3д проц.
@@igorkulakov2845да как бы мне и 80+ фпс устраивает на ультрах, в некоторых проектах за 100. И кстати, на многих торговых площадках, многие пишут что прироста после перехода с 5600-5600х они разницы не заметили,ну ± 5фпс, если только в Таркове больше, соответственно для Таркова и всяких там дрочильнь по типу CS многие и покупают х3д проц.
@@igorkulakov2845 да как бы мне и 80+ фпс устраивает на ультрах, в некоторых проектах за 100. И кстати, на многих торговых площадках, многие пишут что прироста после перехода с 5600-5600х они разницы не заметили,ну ± 5фпс, если только в Таркове больше, соответственно для Таркова и всяких там дрочильнь по типу CS многие и покупают х3д проц.
@@igorkulakov2845 да как бы мне и 80+ фпс устраивает на ультрах, в некоторых проектах за 100. И кстати, на многих тоpговыx площадках, многие пишут что прироста после перехода с 5600-5600х они разницы не заметили,ну ± 5фпс, если только в Тapкове больше, соответственно для Тapкова и всяких там дрочильнь по типу CS многие и покупают х3д проц.
I think there is a place for tests like this one. There are people who intend to use their 4070 for years and may be using an older CPU and looking for an upgrade.
I have better experience with the Ryzen 7 5700x3d than the Ryzen 7 5800x, this one gets much more fps than the Ryzen 7 5700x. That comparison doesn't satisfy me, I need to see another comparison, because if that is the Ryzen 7 5700x, it means that the 7 5800x does it. Same in performance, when I had the 2 and it is not like that in 2k and full HD.
The issue is many of these benchmarks aren't scenarios where cpu bottlenecks really kick in. For example for cyberpunk you want to see what happens when your at five stars fighting cops and a gang gets involved in the firefight. That is when that game truly demands a lot out of the cpu. At 1440p with a 2080ti and 3700x at ultra settings I bottleneck so hard on the cpu that my 2080ti drops to the mid 30% usage.
I've a 5700x with a RX6650XT. I feel this is a good paring, especially since upgrading from a 1070 and R5 1600. Easier to achieve consistent smooth frame rates (only have a 60hz display) and offers more than enough power for 1080p max on most games, decent 1440p and at times 4k game depending. Can do some 4k on max at high frame rates eg Battlebit. Don't always need top tiered components all the time
@christinaperry5521 I went from a 4790k with a rog 3070ti to the 5700x and dam I realised fast I was living in the dark ages. It's so smooth and double the fps. 4 cores at 4.4 vs 8 at 4.6. Yea I'm flagging the x3ds unless they go super cheap from China.
it comes late to the party in my opinion... if you want to push AM4 platform to the limit you already have 5800x3d, but if you plan to upgrade from an older gen AM4 CPU and kind of on a budget, 5700x will give way less problems with lower TDP and pretty good performance
Another vid where it's a 4080 on some of the same games, BOTH get +30 to 160 FPS more. Only then you see a difference and the X3d gets like +20 to 50 FPS, or a ~15% to 25% boost. But playing a game on max settings getting above 80 FPS consistently is more than good enough for me. And any FPS above 120hz or 144hz or whatever monitor one has is overkill, a waste. PLus I grew up in the days of PC gaming being where average PCs could only handle half the games out there, now average PCs can handle most games and not struggle with below 30 FPS. A low tier gaming PC can run Crysis now...
Except it is a very valid use case for a lot of people due to how insanely popular that game remains to this day. 90,000 concurrent average players on just steam, hitting around 130,000 at peak times. Which makes it the 6th most played game on steam and the fps isn't so high that people with high refresh monitors can't still benefit from more.
The fact that th x3d runs on average 500-600mhz slower shows how damn good it is if the x3d were to run also at 4.5ghz + it would nail anything actually the 5700x3d runs only at 4000mhz thats why the 5800x3rd is so much better with a speed boost of 4400mhz + the x3d cache is actually seriously superior and king in every way
@@vambach2947 amigao, comprei o x3d, tenho um 5500/6700xt. Próximo passo é upar pra uma placa mais forte. Mas dependendo do seu processador agora (5600 pra cima) não sei se compensaria upar o processador primeiro.
@@vambach2947 Mas resumindo se tu pretende upar a placa de video mais forte no futuro o melhor seria um x3d pra não dar gargalo, agora se for manter a placa não faz diferença.
@@Ericozzz Certo, eu tenho um 5 5600g, por isso queria um processador melhor kkk ( 16 MB de Cache L3 é tenso ) vc acha uma boa pegar o X3D então? eu viso sim pegar uma GPU mais forte p frente
So it depends on the scenario, sure in the benchmark this doesn't happen for cyberpunk. But get in a firefight with cops and some gang and watch yourself get cpu bottlenecked hard.
Just saying, I got a 6700XT. I just got my 5700X3D and it did over 300 FPS on FH5 running on 1080p Very Low. And my GPU was STILL the bottleneck! Your test is insanely off
both cpus arent even at 30% in most of these comparisons while the gpu is at 93% in all of them...its a gpu bottleneck for everyone without a brain. watch videos with x3d cpu and 4090 cards....
@@eHOB3285 Because it shows only a small part of the picture. The following should be tested: CPU-bound games: in addition to the already known ones, these are usually multiplayer, simulators and strategy games; CPU-bound scenarios: when there are many entities, like cities, downtowns, etc.; and CPU-bound techniques: it is known that raytracing is, as well as rescaling techniques, which by scaling the resolution downwards it increase the load on the CPU.
@@eHOB3285 In relation to the above, there are three glaring cases: GTA V: get an idea of the difference between both CPUs in the Gamers Nexus review of the 5800X3D (their equivalents would be the 5800X vs 5800X3D). RDR 2: there the best antialiasing technique is DLSS, and it should also be tested under certain scenarios. And TW 3: should be played with maximum raytracing and rescaling method, under certain scenarios.
Man relax. Nobody(almost) will play FHD with 4090. If you have 4090 , 4080 , 3090 you usually buy at least 2440p or 4k monitor. But I am building PC for my girlfriend and I already bought 16x2 dual rank samsung b-die chips. So 5700x will benefit more than x3d from rams. We will have 180hz FHD monitor and GPU like 4060ti or 3080. So these video is amazing for me!! It is realistic not theoretical. I will usually be GPU bounded with enough FPS and even if am not I don't want more than 180hz because monitor is already 180. So 5700x is practically 5700x3 for me with %40 cheaper. And for daily use 5700x better! These video is amazing man.
@@ahmetarslan2748 What does the 4090 and 4080 have to do with this? Anyway, with the existence of upscaling technologies (DLSS, FSR, XeSS, etc.) that phrase "who plays 1080p with 4090?" or similar no longer makes sense: 4K on Performance mode is really 1080p and on Quality it is 1440p; 1440p on Performance is 720p and on Quality is 960p. On the other hand, Zen 3 benefits very little from RAM speed, practically none, that was with Zen 1 and 2, and even less so with the X3D, in which the RAM is almost irrelevant. If you are going to spend on a b-die, spend it on another component where it is noticeable, such as a better CPU or GPU. With respect and without offence, you have no idea what you are talking about, it would be good if you were well informed to make good purchases.
But its realistic, nobody thinking about a 5700x (3d) is matching it with a 4090, me for exemple I'm thinking about a 4070 super or ti super and wanted to see if a 5700x was enough or if I would need a 3d, maybe now that I know that the non 3d is very capable on 1440p I have more money and can go with a 70ti s insted of 70 s
Timestamps:
➤ Red Dead Redemption 2 1080p: 0:00
➤ Red Dead Redemption 2 1440p: 0:32
➤ Forza Horizon 5 1080p: 0:58
➤ Forza Horizon 5 1440p: 1:29
➤ GTA 5 1080p: 1:54
➤ GTA 5 1440p: 2:25
➤ Rainbow Six Siege 1080p: 2:50
➤ Rainbow Six Siege 1440p: 3:20
➤ Valheim 1080p: 3:45
➤ Valheim 1440p: 4:14
➤ Witcher 3 1080p: 4:39
➤ Witcher 3 1440p: 5:10
➤ Apex Legends 1080p: 5:35
➤ Apex Legends 1440p: 6:04
➤ CSGO 2 1080p: 6:28
➤ CSGO 2 1440p: 7:02
➤ Cyberpunk 2077 1080p DLSS off: 7:27
➤ Cyberpunk 2077 1080p DLSS off: 7:56
➤ Cyberpunk 2077 1080p DLSS on: 8:24
➤ Cyberpunk 2077 1080p DLSS on: 8:54
Hardware Tested:
- CPU 1: Ryzen 7 5700X amzn.to/4a9mBlQ
- CPU 2: Ryzen 7 5700X3D amzn.to/3PiL9QA
- GPU: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4070 Windforce OC 12G amzn.to/3T32D5U
- RAM: Team Group XTreem 32GB (4x8) 3200MHz CL16 DDR4 amzn.to/3uFv9RS
(See description for other Hardware Tested)
Did you test the 4070 or 3070 ? 😂
the graphic card is always the bottleneck...
Finally a decent test review, I will stick with my 5700x for next 3 years, thanks.
Same here. Looks like the only thing changing in my pc will be the GPU.
Yo estoy pensando en armar mi nueva PC, cuál me recomiendan? El R7 5700x está en Amazon en $160 y el R7 5700x 3D en $209, cuál vale la pena?
@@mark_12gt go for 5700x3d, I have just upgraded to it, cs2 improves 100+fps even in 2k, same for PUBG, my GPU is 4070.
@ashuraotsutsuki88 quiero armar una PC desde 0 bro, y estoy viendo si mejor me sale irme por am5 para tener margen de actualización a futuro, pero aún no se cómo hacer una buena build
nope....the gpu is the bottle neck i have a 5700x3d and a 4070 super and i play 1440p on helldivers...cpu at 60% gpu 97%.....gpu is the bottleneck
Proves my point which I keep telling, unless you buy a 4090 don't bother with these cached CPUs. Even then, overclock your memory with tight timings and that will even get you closer if not on par.
No 4090 over priced oven your electric company knows when you put that pos in your pc lol ray tracing lol wow
*unless you are a simmer, in which case the X3D models pretty much always rocks.
A 4080 é válida?
this is a cope the X3D is excels at games like RTS try becnhmark some RTS games with 5700x and 5700X3D you will see massive difference for triple AAA games its not that big deal
Absolutely not. You don't need a 4090 to benefit. I noticed much much better 1% lows with the 5800X3D, 7600X and 7800X3D vs my older 5600x,5800x,5900x range of CPU's. I am only using a 6900XT and 6950XT and I certainly have a much better gaming experience. 3D vcache helps achieve the most consistant FPS for any midrange GPU or better. Heck I just snagged a $140 5700X3D for my garage PC that only has a GTX1080, 32gb 3200mhz C16 ram and if you focus quality settings lower and remove any caps your 3D vcache improvements will even shine in that scenario once you configure it to be more CPU limited. I paid $20 out of pocket as I sold the 5700X for $120 less than a week later.
5700x competes pretty good with 5700x3d due to higher clock speed in game (4.6 vs 4.1). Average speed is almost within margin of error for many games eventhough it has lower cache. 1% and 0.1% is where the 5700x3d shines. If you game at 1080p, 5700x3d is the best choice. for 1440p or 4K, 5700x almost performs the same as 5700x3d. I agree with people saying 5800x3d is a better choice because it boost higher clockspeed but 5700x3d has way lower price. I purposely downgrade from 5800x3d to 5700x because i mostly game at 4K. 5700x is cooler and the performance is acceptable for me.
yow buddy know it's months past but I have rx 7800xt with r5 3600 and mostly play at 2k/60-75.fps in your opinion 5700x3d over 5700x(which im leaning in to based on what your saying or 5800x?
my 5700x runs at the same as a 5800x in games, i hit a steady 4850mhz due to per core undervolting, my scores also compete with the 5800x, i use water cooling so maybe that helps also. Great CPU.
@@chuckchuk5157 5700x3d its better for games. the 3d cache is made for that.
I currently have a 5700X unopened in its box but im planning on selling it for a 5700X3D to play at 1440p with a RX 7800 XT, do you think it would be best if I just keep my 5700X instead?
Very nice vs but just one question, why in r6 detected the graphic as "3070" ?
Adorei o vídeo. Conseguir ver a mínima diferença de um para o outro.
It's not that big of a difference. I don't think it's worth it to upgrade to that 3D CPU. You might as well get the next best CPU in my opinion. It's definitely not worth it
after i watch another review, you can combo 5700x3d with 4070 super or above that, cause in this review just he use 4070 so the GPU bottlenecking the CPU
@@KenHassasin gpu is the bottle neck. watch over vids
Everyone who commented that the GPU caused a bottleneck: CS GO and Apex are using way more CPU. You can see that the 5700x3d doesn't improve the FPS in these games in FHD that much. The price of 5700x is now 80-100 $/€ cheeper and it makes no sense to buy a 5700x3d if the price stays in that area.
You can see in another channel with rtx 4080
Yes, but look at the 1% and .1% lows tho
@@KenHassasin who is going to pair 4080 with 1080p monitor? I use mine 4k bro.
@@KenHassasin this benchmark is fucking realistic and super
@@marculetzc1366 hey mate. building a new pc for cs2 here. what does 1% change for cs2 i have no idea about that. I want to buy the 5700x because low cpu temps vs very high temps on the x3d. Appreciate the help
This decides things for me. I have a secondary living room PC with a 3600 non-X on a B550 board and a 3080. Very cramped microATX HTPC case where the GPU takes most of the space. Can only fit a modest CPU cooler and also want to keep the wattage low to keep everything cool and let the GPU breathe. I built with a cheap used CPU so I could spend more on other parts and upgrade later.
RPCS3 and Gamecube emulation are my only primary tasks where CPU performance is really meaningful. All Zen 3 CPUs from 5600 and up are plenty to push the 3080 in my usual PC games but X3D offers no benefit for emulation. This means higher clocks are much more beneficial for me than the 3D cache. 5700X gets nearly the same clocks as the 105W 5800X, better than 5700X3D AND 5800X3D, and is a 65W TDP CPU. So when you take the benefits of X3D out of the equation and consider the limitations of this particular situation, the 5700X is the only choice that makes sense. Bonus they're dirt cheap used.
TL;DR, 5700X is the perfect fit for my needs because the PC it's going into needs to run low wattage and does demanding emulation. Every other chip in the line uses more power, or has lower clockspeeds, or has less cores. This makes the 5700X a freakishly good fit for a microATX emulator/HTPC.
could you make Warzone comptitive settings?
same rig
THANKS SO MUCH TO THIS CHANNEL , I WANTED TO GET THE X3D AND PLAY ON 1440P BUT NOW I SEE THERES PRACTICALLY NO DIFFERENCE I WILL STICK TO THE 5700X
Guys Nobody(almost) will play FHD with 4090. If you have 4090 , 4080 , 3090 you usually buy at least 2440p or 4k monitor. But I am building PC for my girlfriend and I already bought 16x2 dual rank samsung b-die chips. So 5700x will benefit more than x3d from rams.(I overclock very tight) We will have 180hz FHD monitor and GPU like 4060ti or 3080. So these video is amazing for me!! It is realistic not theoretical. I will usually be GPU bounded with enough FPS and even if am not I don't want more than 180hz because monitor is already 180. So 5700x is practically 5700x3d for me with %40 cheaper. And for daily use 5700x better! These video is amazing man.
3D is worth it only if you own a 4080 and above....Anything below and the differences are minimal .Plus the single core performance that is crucial still for many games is similar also.
I like this test because 99% of us dont own a 4090. I own a rog 3070ti lets me know im throwing money away for minimal gains. 5700x cheap tower cooler fast ram b450m its running quite well. The money i save will build me another rc race boat.... or some car tires.
yes. that why regular revie sux. they put a 4080 or a 4090...i know they dont want bottleneck but
we need the ideal setup and a benchmark in a REAL SCENARIO. because omg, most ppl will get 5700x or 5700x3d with some between an rx7600 or 4070.
Few ppl will use 4070 ti / 7800xt or above to play with am4
Hi, which CPU would you recommend between the 5700x and 5700x3d for both gaming and overall usage like little bit of light compression - decompression, Coding, heavy browsing, video playback etc? Does the x3d feel little bit slow compared to the standard 5700x for day-to-day tasks because of its slower clock speed?
I have a b450 mobo and rx 6700xt GPU and im confused between these two for my final upgrade on AM4. I sure want higher FPS in games but i do not want my system to feel slow/sluggish outside of gaming.
I want to know your thoughts since you have both as i've seen in your videos. Thanks
5700X3D all the way. Modern day CPU's do not feel slow. A good clean install of your operating system on a good quality NVMe storage drive is a big part of a snappy fast PC. 5700x has higher clock speed sure but 5700X3D at 4.1ghz won't make day to day feel any slower. I have owned almost all Zen3 CPU's and recently bought a 5700X3D for $140 and sold my 5700X for $120. I have had a 3600,5600,5600x,5700x and now a 5700x3D (in my shop PC) and for the day to day browsing use there is zero noticeable speed difference. The 3D chip will run the heavier production type tasks a hair slower but the triple L3 cache can really step up the performance tier into the AM5 7600/7600x/7700 range on the games that love cache. But if someone is paying $200+ I really wouldn't spend that much for AM4. I would be buying a $175 7600X, sell my old hardware and buy some good deal B650 board. The premium Gskill Flare X CL30 6000MT ram is only $84 for 32gb right now and you can get good boards around $120-140 and up. 5700X3D is great if the price is right like $140-170 total or if it is for someone that dreads to do a bigger combo upgrade. The drop in upgrade is nice to have but for me the value just isn't there if you spend too much. Might as well go AM5 even a 7500F would be better use of money spent.
@@45eno Would you say the video above is showing the wrong games then? Besides the competitive games I see little to no difference between the two. a little more on the lows but overall performance only 5 fps or so. What kind of games benefit more from the cache? others are saying the higher clock speed is making up for it but I'd bet there's situations where it comes in handy.
I have the same spec too (b450m and rx6700xt) bottlenecking on a 3500x. Im looking for the same answers too so imma comment hear to get updates from this discussion
Так и не понял есть смысл мне переходить на 5700х или на 5700х3d с процессора 5600 с 4070 использую.? Или не ощутима разницы ....
Just found a guy selling a used 5700X3D. Bought it for $140 and sold the 5700X for $120. Not bad cheap $20 upgrade. Really didn't need more CPU for the resolution and framerate target paired with a GTX1080 but it will last longer and resell better down the road. Gave up clock speed though which sucks as not all games leverage the vcache much. O well, it's the new shiny thing.
Yeah, but you improve the .1% and 1% lows a decent amount which is great even with an old card.
А если ещё 5700x разогнать на +200мгц, что довольно легко и установить значение
Curve на -30, то разница будет ещё меньше, что полностью убивает смысл в 5700x3d. Смысл переходить на 5700x3d есть только в случае если вы, ранее использовали Ryzen 1000/2000/3000, только в этом случае вы заметите ощутимый прирост.
верно! curve -25 all cores + 200mhz + power limit to 120w!
@@ВячеславТолмачёв-ц9е
Napischi mne kak wistawitj BIOS
5700x Asus x470 16gb ddr4 3200
Schto pomenjatj w biose?
Napischi pogalusto...
Как же хорошо что я не заказал 5700х3дэ, а купил обычный 5700х, а на оставшиеся 8к купил нвме на 1тб😮
Сравни результаты этих камней на других каналах и радости у тебя станет меньше. У этого чувака в двух видео подряд могут быть у одного процессора разные цифры. Хз как он их меряет
@@igorkulakov2845 а зачем мне овер много фпс, меня как бы 60+ на ультрах вполне устраивает, и во многих проектах не меньше сотки. Да и люди многие пишут на торговых площадках, что пересев на 5700х3дэ, разницу после 5600- 5600х они не увидели и никакой прибавки фпс, разве что в таркове, для которого собственно они и покупают 3д проц.
@@igorkulakov2845да как бы мне и 80+ фпс устраивает на ультрах, в некоторых проектах за 100. И кстати, на многих торговых площадках, многие пишут что прироста после перехода с 5600-5600х они разницы не заметили,ну ± 5фпс, если только в Таркове больше, соответственно для Таркова и всяких там дрочильнь по типу CS многие и покупают х3д проц.
@@igorkulakov2845 да как бы мне и 80+ фпс устраивает на ультрах, в некоторых проектах за 100. И кстати, на многих торговых площадках, многие пишут что прироста после перехода с 5600-5600х они разницы не заметили,ну ± 5фпс, если только в Таркове больше, соответственно для Таркова и всяких там дрочильнь по типу CS многие и покупают х3д проц.
@@igorkulakov2845 да как бы мне и 80+ фпс устраивает на ультрах, в некоторых проектах за 100. И кстати, на многих тоpговыx площадках, многие пишут что прироста после перехода с 5600-5600х они разницы не заметили,ну ± 5фпс, если только в Тapкове больше, соответственно для Тapкова и всяких там дрочильнь по типу CS многие и покупают х3д проц.
Hi, is it possible to test in warzone? Thanks.
Why a 4070 on a cpu test?
I think there is a place for tests like this one. There are people who intend to use their 4070 for years and may be using an older CPU and looking for an upgrade.
Hows your CPU running so cool ? What cooler do you use ?
with my 5700X , i did a push pull config in the front of the case, with high static pressure fans, so 4 fans on the radiator
I have better experience with the Ryzen 7 5700x3d than the Ryzen 7 5800x, this one gets much more fps than the Ryzen 7 5700x. That comparison doesn't satisfy me, I need to see another comparison, because if that is the Ryzen 7 5700x, it means that the 7 5800x does it. Same in performance, when I had the 2 and it is not like that in 2k and full HD.
The issue is many of these benchmarks aren't scenarios where cpu bottlenecks really kick in. For example for cyberpunk you want to see what happens when your at five stars fighting cops and a gang gets involved in the firefight. That is when that game truly demands a lot out of the cpu. At 1440p with a 2080ti and 3700x at ultra settings I bottleneck so hard on the cpu that my 2080ti drops to the mid 30% usage.
What GPU you have?
I will just under volt and over clock the 5700x that I have paired with 6950xt.
I'm not super impressed with the 5700X3D. The 5700X would be my pick.
I have a 5700x with a 3070ti
@@christinaperry5521 how is it
@@eHOB3285 great!
I've a 5700x with a RX6650XT. I feel this is a good paring, especially since upgrading from a 1070 and R5 1600. Easier to achieve consistent smooth frame rates (only have a 60hz display) and offers more than enough power for 1080p max on most games, decent 1440p and at times 4k game depending. Can do some 4k on max at high frame rates eg Battlebit. Don't always need top tiered components all the time
@christinaperry5521 I went from a 4790k with a rog 3070ti to the 5700x and dam I realised fast I was living in the dark ages. It's so smooth and double the fps. 4 cores at 4.4 vs 8 at 4.6. Yea I'm flagging the x3ds unless they go super cheap from China.
With more bigger card 5700x3d perform better in 1080p and in 2k around 5 to 10%
I guessed that it would be so, so I bought 5700x
5700X HERE
I see Nvidia 3070 and not 4070 in Rainbow six siege at 1080p. 😅
Not worth the extra $30 - $80 bucks for a hotter running CPU and not much uplift for a dead ends last hoorah.
it comes late to the party in my opinion... if you want to push AM4 platform to the limit you already have 5800x3d, but if you plan to upgrade from an older gen AM4 CPU and kind of on a budget, 5700x will give way less problems with lower TDP and pretty good performance
does the 5700x3d have problems?
i dont think the rtx 4070 is the botelneck this gpu is made to play at 1440p no one gon buy an rtx 4080 to use it with ryzen 7 5700x3d
4070 is the bottleneck...cpu isnt even close to 90% but he gpu is
Another vid where it's a 4080 on some of the same games, BOTH get +30 to 160 FPS more. Only then you see a difference and the X3d gets like +20 to 50 FPS, or a ~15% to 25% boost.
But playing a game on max settings getting above 80 FPS consistently is more than good enough for me. And any FPS above 120hz or 144hz or whatever monitor one has is overkill, a waste.
PLus I grew up in the days of PC gaming being where average PCs could only handle half the games out there, now average PCs can handle most games and not struggle with below 30 FPS. A low tier gaming PC can run Crysis now...
Faster Ram like 3600/3800Mhz and the 5700x3d is much better
Thank you!
gta5....
Its like testing hardware in doom 3 in 2015
Except it is a very valid use case for a lot of people due to how insanely popular that game remains to this day. 90,000 concurrent average players on just steam, hitting around 130,000 at peak times. Which makes it the 6th most played game on steam and the fps isn't so high that people with high refresh monitors can't still benefit from more.
This video is fake, go to Gamer Nexus and see the real difference between the 5800X and the 5800X3D (comparable CPUs) on GTA V.
Can you try on valorant?
O que entendi analisando o video, entendi que compre o que tiver mais barato. Se for preços próximos, eu compraria o R7 5700x3D
The fact that th x3d runs on average 500-600mhz slower shows how damn good it is
if the x3d were to run also at 4.5ghz + it would nail anything actually
the 5700x3d runs only at 4000mhz
thats why the 5800x3rd is so much better with a speed boost of 4400mhz +
the x3d cache is actually seriously superior and king in every way
Essa placa de vídeo tá gargalando na maioria dos jogos. Teste praticamente inválido.
to mt na duvida de qual pegar dos dois, 5700x por 999 e o 5700X3D por 1299, estou com uma rx6600xt, qual vc recomenda visando futuro upgrade e CxB?
@@vambach2947 amigao, comprei o x3d, tenho um 5500/6700xt. Próximo passo é upar pra uma placa mais forte. Mas dependendo do seu processador agora (5600 pra cima) não sei se compensaria upar o processador primeiro.
@@vambach2947 Mas resumindo se tu pretende upar a placa de video mais forte no futuro o melhor seria um x3d pra não dar gargalo, agora se for manter a placa não faz diferença.
@@Ericozzz Certo, eu tenho um 5 5600g, por isso queria um processador melhor kkk ( 16 MB de Cache L3 é tenso ) vc acha uma boa pegar o X3D então? eu viso sim pegar uma GPU mais forte p frente
@@Ericozzz Vc acha q um air cooler ag400 tanka de boa esse processador? n to com mt grana p gastar
Video card is bottlenacking the 5700X3D
Yes and no
It's a realistic pairing though
No is not and r7 5700x and 5700x3d is bottlenecking the card in this scenario
So it depends on the scenario, sure in the benchmark this doesn't happen for cyberpunk. But get in a firefight with cops and some gang and watch yourself get cpu bottlenecked hard.
wdym lmao? 4070 is not bottlenecking 5700X3D what are you coping
gpu병목이 있는것 같은데 반대로 말하면 4070이하의 그래픽카드에서는 5700x3d가 별 쓸모 없다는거네
특히 1440p 이상의 해상도를 쓰는 사람에게는 더더욱..
내5700x가 rtx5000번대에도 수명을 연장할 수 있을지가 궁금해지네
Omg +5fps. LoL😂
Just saying, I got a 6700XT. I just got my 5700X3D and it did over 300 FPS on FH5 running on 1080p Very Low. And my GPU was STILL the bottleneck! Your test is insanely off
5700X3D has better 1% low
both cpus arent even at 30% in most of these comparisons while the gpu is at 93% in all of them...its a gpu bottleneck for everyone without a brain. watch videos with x3d cpu and 4090 cards....
Fake results, this video is a joke.
why
what do you recommend
@@eHOB3285 Because it shows only a small part of the picture.
The following should be tested: CPU-bound games: in addition to the already known ones, these are usually multiplayer, simulators and strategy games; CPU-bound scenarios: when there are many entities, like cities, downtowns, etc.; and CPU-bound techniques: it is known that raytracing is, as well as rescaling techniques, which by scaling the resolution downwards it increase the load on the CPU.
@@eHOB3285 In relation to the above, there are three glaring cases: GTA V: get an idea of the difference between both CPUs in the Gamers Nexus review of the 5800X3D (their equivalents would be the 5800X vs 5800X3D). RDR 2: there the best antialiasing technique is DLSS, and it should also be tested under certain scenarios. And TW 3: should be played with maximum raytracing and rescaling method, under certain scenarios.
Man relax. Nobody(almost) will play FHD with 4090. If you have 4090 , 4080 , 3090 you usually buy at least 2440p or 4k monitor. But I am building PC for my girlfriend and I already bought 16x2 dual rank samsung b-die chips. So 5700x will benefit more than x3d from rams. We will have 180hz FHD monitor and GPU like 4060ti or 3080. So these video is amazing for me!! It is realistic not theoretical. I will usually be GPU bounded with enough FPS and even if am not I don't want more than 180hz because monitor is already 180. So 5700x is practically 5700x3 for me with %40 cheaper. And for daily use 5700x better! These video is amazing man.
@@ahmetarslan2748 What does the 4090 and 4080 have to do with this? Anyway, with the existence of upscaling technologies (DLSS, FSR, XeSS, etc.) that phrase "who plays 1080p with 4090?" or similar no longer makes sense: 4K on Performance mode is really 1080p and on Quality it is 1440p; 1440p on Performance is 720p and on Quality is 960p.
On the other hand, Zen 3 benefits very little from RAM speed, practically none, that was with Zen 1 and 2, and even less so with the X3D, in which the RAM is almost irrelevant. If you are going to spend on a b-die, spend it on another component where it is noticeable, such as a better CPU or GPU.
With respect and without offence, you have no idea what you are talking about, it would be good if you were well informed to make good purchases.
4070 is your only mistake the 4070 is a weak card
But its realistic, nobody thinking about a 5700x (3d) is matching it with a 4090, me for exemple I'm thinking about a 4070 super or ti super and wanted to see if a 5700x was enough or if I would need a 3d, maybe now that I know that the non 3d is very capable on 1440p I have more money and can go with a 70ti s insted of 70 s
Yea guess that's true
@@bryansullivan9588 you are rich bro
@@vucadao no im far from rich
@@felipebrena6918 buy a 7900XTX more card to less money!!!