Rob Chapman - "the best guitar cab" He's EVER HEARD - Alex from Barefaced explains how it works
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- A few weeks ago Rob Chapman told us we have made the "best guitar cab" he's ever played. ( • Well I Never Expected ... ) Well, we thought you'd like to know how it works..
Alex - Barefaced Chief Engineer and Founder - is here to show you how the patent pending AVD design of the Barefaced guitar cabinets, (The Upsetter 110, Reformer 112 and Radical 212H) disperse your sound into the space you're playing, so your tone can be heard by everyone.
Now with the choice of ANY Celestion driver, and completely customisable.
Find out more at barefacedaudio.com
The Upsetter 110 - barefacedaudio...
The Reformer 112 - (seen in this video barefacedaudio...)
The Radical 212H - barefacedaudio...
(The Upsetter 110 was formerly called the GX, and the Reformer 112 was formerly called the GXII.)
See more of Rob Chapman at his channel
( / robchappers )
Yeah this is amazing. I can't believe this is the first time someone has addressed this issue with a proven acoustic technology. Wow
Mind blown. I've been playing guitar since 1982, and I bought a Mesa Boogie Mark IV combo in 1991. I assemble my own guitars. You just got yourself a new customer. I'm of the "cabinets are a necessary evil" and have relied more on other factors (cables, mic position, etc) for sound. This is amazing.
That's great to hear (and obviously your tone will be even more great to hear with a Barefaced AVD guitar cab!) A
After watching the video with Rob I IMMEDIATELY placed my order. This is the cab I’ve been searching for for years.
Im so excited to receive mine! I still haven’t had any confirmed date of arrival yet but i’m looking forward for when it comes!
Did you get the cab yet? Please keep us updated with your thoughts, thanks
I did indeed! About 2 weeks ago I received delivery.
It sounds incredible! I was a little bit skeptical of the video, not wanting to believe that the multi-directional sound actually worked but to my relief it definitely does! Fills the room with sound!
I had an Orange 2x12 closed back cab before this which is a MONSTER in both sound and weight, and it suffers badly with placement and directional sound. Unless you are stood directly in front you do lose some of the sound, especially in a band/gig enviroment.
But with the Radical 2x12 this is definitely not a problem.
It lacks SOME of the bass/lows and that punch of the Orange but the fact it is easier to transport and I can actually hear it makes up for that fact.
Build quality is excellent and I do not regret my purchase one bit!
It did arrive in the wrong colour that I requested but that was easily rectified with their excellent customer service team :)
A demo showcasing the 1x12 in a loud band setting would be awesome.
This is always the litmus test, the benchmark, the burning question. Without this, most demos are not as helpful as they could be.
Yes, actually pushing it further. Try your whole line in a band.I'd like to hear the 1x10 as well against a loud drummer
Finally innovation in cabinet design after years of just open, closed, thank you barefaced 🤘🏽
Nothing pioneering, those designs have been going on for decades.
Cheers.
@@georgefromgreece4119 it’s not for guitar but the MBL 101 X-treme is my current favorite loudspeaker design.
@@PooNinja thanks for the feedback!!!
I'm seriously impressed. Small efficient cabs are what's needed. Your cabs offer solutions to a multitude of problems. I'm gonna buy one
💪🏾😎🎸
Yea like 3 of them montage can fit alnicos I dunno about bareback... and they aren't making them anymore luckily I got 2 of them
Just used my new GXII for the first time at an outdoor pub gig tonight. The drummer commented how much clearer he could hear me compared to a Marshall 1936 2x 12" (same amp settings). The cab was mic'd through a large PA and the sound man commented how great the tone was! 😎
I dont think any thing is "free" in the world of audio, but this is great advancement in a field that most have all but ignored. Fantastic work and looking forward to try.
Incredible.....
I'm about to build a cab for a 12 inch Blue back......
this video has just changed everything
Absolutely fantastic!! It’s so wonderful to see the antiquated guitar cab totally reformed!
When I can afford it again I will definitely get myself one of those 1x12 cabs. Really like that you're actually innovating things.
Please get combos made with that cab technology! You'll revolutionize the industry!
I would be interested in buying one of this! I've been looking and comparing combs like "Roland GA-212" and this sounds amazing
Agree, they need to either make the full combos or team up with somebody that specializes in amps and the other aspects of sound. Companies like Swart come to mind.
@@bjornfsteen Why? It's pro gear with a high (er) price tag and most pros are happy to use an amp head and cab, and often swap around. The benefits of this cab are largely wasted on bedroom noodlers... I like that they are specialists in speakers!
@@joelonsdale Because pros don't occupy that big of a chunk in any market and the money is with the masses. That's how I see it anyway. It's not like they are making custom solutions with a big contract. I think it would be great to sell the tech and negotiate contracts with other manufacturers where they get a cut for each unit sold with their tech in it. Or if they can make a retrofit kit for cabs and combos.
@@Parcolai Of course, you can make mass market crap and get rich. Or you can specialise, sell something amazing to fewer people and get less rich but keep your soul.
Great to have the theory explained so well - and the demo is awesome, really makes the point of the difference! Well done Alex!
I just got my Bareface Radical 2/12 H in today August 22, 2019 here in Texas (just south of Houston) Ran it through the paces with my Kemper and a PS 2 for power as well as my Todd Sharp JOAT 20 RT No complaints at all . Sounds fine . . not too bright, not too dark . . . . just right . . and is definitely one of the better 2/12's I have owned . Love the light weight too , noticeably lighter than the standard size AVATAR 2/12 I sold a while back. Satisfied buyer here !
This is one of the coolest pieces of gear I've seen in a while.I saw Rob's video and I was baffled at how big of a difference it makes. Great job, I'm looking forward to seeing more of these types of cabs in the future.
You were baffled. :)
@@magnusberger6762After watching this video, I think we all need baffled. 😉👍
I just got the uprising 212v and use it with modeling and a power amp. It is the best sounding cab ever. The acoustic science of the rear vent is the most amazing thing ever and the cab weighs nothing. Thank you for making this!
I have one. I have a Zilla 1x12 and a Zilla 2x12. The Barefaced is amazing. Light and sounds absolutely amazing.
when these become available on a slightly more affordable level in the US, I will purchase the 2x12. They seem like the real deal. Fantastic work
I used to work at Zilla Cabs. At first, I was sceptical about the design thinking it was a bit of marketing hype. Very impressed to say now I've heard several in person, including my bassist friend's first show with his Bareface. From the stage, he really didn't know how much more powerful his bass was and had to dial back his settings! That thing shook down the place!
Just ordered my Reformer 112!! Can’t wait!
I’d love to hear the 2x12 with a low wattage head and a band. I think your cabs would allow a 25 watt head say to compete with a drummer.
2nd this! Use a Mesa Mini Recto, and just because I have one, but because I have one.
A lot of people don't realise how loud 25 to 30 watts is, even when driving a cab designed 60 years ago: the Vox AC30 was designed as an amp for club gigs.
The awesome thing about Alex's design is how it sounds off axis, not necessarily that it's any more efficient.
So I’ve been building my own cabs for a few years now, guitar, bass guitar, and pro audio/car audio bass cabinets. I’ve done a little research and use software to get my dimensions right, especially on bass or car audio where the physics really translate into better power handling and performance, etc….
I love this resonator , it’s genius. I’ve got a V30 sitting around loose that needs a cab, and I know I have to try making one of my own. It’s oh da awesome.
Of course, when it comes to guitar, I’ve noticed that you can kind of just throw some speakers in a box not pay a whole lot of attention to the dimensions and shape and still get a pretty decent sound because guitar cabinets were never designed with all of these cutting edge principles of acoustics in mind in the first place they were just trying to get loud.
You passion is clear. I love the transparency of the design. I will recommend this to my guitar friends. Strangely I'm a drummer...but...we're all lovers of good waves here.
I am on my way to your website.
it's about time someone did something about guitar cabinet beaming.
20 years of search end up in here. That is kick-ass product!
Great demo, good crisp explanation too.
That is fascinating! I need to see and hear one in person! I have played 4x12’s for forever to try and get a bigger sound, this seems like such a great idea!!!
Barefaced WON HANDS DOWN!!!
Got my Reformer 112 today and this shit is for real! Incredible 1x12!
That's really good engineering. Do not stop with the electronics. Go on with physics of the air. Well done. Next level: Make the back adjustable to be able to tune it. 😎
How sound works in air seems to be such an afterthought in guitar gear! Adjustable (moving parts) on speakers are rarely a good idea because of the risk of vibrations or buzzes - but if it was possible how would people be tuning it? Tuning these AVD to do what we wanted required a really analytical process, which I can't imagine many guitarists getting right - it's not like tuning an instrument! ;) A
@@BarefacedAudio Thank you for your response! Yes indeed, it is complicated, but not impossible! Just engineer and design easy controls for it. (Just kidding... :D)
But good to see, that there is still room for innovation! I am learning to play guitar for a year now and I am still figuring out, what setup I would like to run. Currently my setup is a guitar, audio interface and a linux computer with headphones.
Having recently watched Johan Segeborn play through a Thiele cab I thought Id make one so I YTd it and ended up here instead.
Youve ruined all my plans now.
Thanks.
Sounds amazing. BTW
I am very impressed ! Alex responded to my email very quickly .. I want to see a demo of the 2 /12 ! Selling some gear to get one of these ASAP !
Absolutely brilliant - where have you been all my life?!
Got My Barefaced 2/12 a few weeks ago, Really love it !
Jeez, I’m glad I found this as I was about to purchase something else!
Amazing...just discovered it now
Good name!
ok i'm sold, i came across your cabs a few months ago but i absolutely didn't care because i didn't take the time to read about it i just thought "meh ok a new cab , favorite and forget for when i want a new cab" but this demo is truly amazing, disturbing i should say, i mean it's so simple yet so effective! It's a true issue that has, in my knowledge never been adressed .
Now the only problem i see with cabs is the tone when you are facing the cab, i don't know why i always hated it, no matter the cab or speaker, it always sounded "painfull" that's why i always play at an angle from my cabs.
anyway great tech and great cabs!
AMAZING !!! I really heard the difference between the 2 cabs. But then again, - I expect no less from Barefaced Audio. I heard the boys over at Anderton's demo Their bass cab's. Best I've ever heard...
Cool.
About time this engineering became available 😎👍❤
love the figure 8 wall!
Todd Cushing thought nobody was talking about it
Great job 💙✌️
I need one of these in my life.
Ask Gary Lucas ,who played for Beefheart ,to demo your incredibly works ...huge respect to your brainpower for going to the higher level ...x
Magic.
I compared the Barefaced112 to a Bluguitar Fatcab ( closed back 60w 112 ). I did not hear any increase in volume. Also I would advise anyone thinking of buying one, who plays in pubs and usually sticks their 112 cab on a chair/bench, to remember this is a rear ported speaker cab, to get the best from it you need it unrestricted at the back. These are a lot of money, so you should bear these in mind.
incredible. I'm sold.
Quite an astounding cabinet. For us in the USA, wish there was a way to have the same 30 day return policy as for Europe customers, just in case. However, there are some huge benefits to your design, with less weight (huge), and open back sound, with the downside being more cost. I'm comparing Bogner, Port City and Friedman 2x12 to your 2x12 cabinet, and leaning towards this design. One suggestion, any future videos, remove the mic/stand in front of the cabinet and just use the one as this video used, just to avoid the "perception" that the mic at front of the amp is being used. Also, maybe do a video of say Port City vs your cabinet (2x12), for example. A lot of players seem to be pushing Port City as the holy grail along with the others I mentioned and they are in this upper price range. I'm still researching. Thanks!
Just had a look at the Port City designs - interesting, there's certainly some logical thinking there but also some gaps in the knowledge and understanding of how sound behaves, based on an interview I just read with the designer. I just had an email asking us about returns from the USA, so I looked up how often we get returns: The last guitar cab returned was in September 2020 and the last bass cab returned was in May 2019 - I think that's a pretty good success rate thanks to making great products and making sure we match the right product to the right player!
@@BarefacedAudio Just read your reply, I ordered the Victory 2x12 vertical model this past week. :-) Looking forward to hearing it soon! I may use it solo, or use in stereo, with an older 2x12 Celestion standard cabinet (as I use Fractal Audio AXE FX). Thanks!
Wait, so did these cabinets eliminate the typical beam that comes out right in the center of the front of the speaker somehow? I get that the AVD disperses the sound out in the back and around the room. I’m just not clear on whether that affects the typical beam out front.
If you're out front then you hear the combination of the AVD output and the cone output. And due to precedence effect your brain sums the two, adding the mid and treble clarity from the AVD to the sound from the cone which is lacking in those frequencies off-axis, but it continues thinking the sound it's hearing is solely from the closer (ie sooner) source.
I'd like to see you take one of these into a studio and shoot a video showing off your cabs in a live room with close mics and room mics blended. I wonder how useful this design actually is in a professional enviornment.
I want one
Just curious how does the logic behind the AVD compare to a thiele cab?
I've been making some videos about the development of what became the AVD cab - have a watch of them! However, I shall do a video explaining Thiele (and other non-standard guitar cab designs).
i am so impressed
Im to much of doubting Thomas. In me is the question if you just kept the speaker mic on a bit louder in the mix and offed it or lowered it with the non barefaced version? You see, in my heart I wish this very type of thing in my live but I think unless I hear it myself in physical to know it for a fact. Grtx and nuff thanx for good worx and lovely teachings! Well wishings and 1blessed Love
Amazing, I want one now
Looks Killer. I have a 112 Forte Cab and these look very intriguing!
The Forte cabs are a classic case of a bright idea but not a lot of science so it's not as well executed as it could be! A
Wish the guitarists I work with would invest in these. Compared to the Barefaced cabs, all we get is: On-axis: shriiiiill! Off-axis: muuuudd! IME, their bass cabs are by far the best I have ever heard (and felt).
So if there’s up to 100 milliseconds with no audible difference, and Alex said 50 milliseconds is a backstop 30 feet away, dose that equate to 60 feet away with 100 milliseconds or dose it not work like that? Just wondering that’s all.
Awesome job! I want one, building my home studio now :)
I want this so bad!!!!!!!!!
if the sound of Barefaced cab is the same throughout the room wherever I am in a room how does it compare live on stage or in a rehearsal room with a bass player drums vocals etc? won't the other musicians have problems with their own sound, won't the sound from the Barefaced cab dominate over the rest?
It doesn't dominate, instead the wider dispersion and more even response means that it slots more neatly into the mix. Imagine if on a recording the level and tone of each guitar sound varied hugely depending on where you were sitting vs the studio monitors / hi-fi speakers - that's basically what happens with normal guitar cabs. Instead of having to suffer really loud and really quiet points in the room, the cab is loudest when you're fairly close to the front and on-axis but doesn't stop off like a stone or change massively in tone where you're standing anywhere else.
We've only ever got really positive feedback about how they work in bands, to the point where even drummers say "please bring that new cab next time!"
Love the detailed explanation of how these cabs work . Awaiting my Bareface 2/12 H !
Do they use that tech in studio monitors or live loudspeakers? This is a very impressive concept.
I've not been able to find any prior art for this in any audio field, which is why we've made a patent application. However the concept comes from my learnings about the importance of polar pattern and the interaction of a speaker with the room its in - a big influence was the late Siegfried Linkwitz, whose website is a mine of information: www.linkwitzlab.com/
@@BarefacedAudio thank you. I'm excited for this technology.
Yup! The sealed back cab also sounds muffled, compared to your cab. 👍
this is incredible!
i'd love to buy one. however. I just don't have the money. have you thought about kits so people can build their own and put their speakers in?
lol no! Of course not.
Send one to Henning and Glen to test it in their studios.
That sounds really great ,I'd like to try one
Why are the wooden panels so thin? It should affect low frequency response.
We started out as a bass cab company and we make some of the most acclaimed bass cabs you can buy (that's not hyperbole, search and you will find!) so low frequency response is something we're very good at! We use the same thickness plywood on all our bass and guitar cabs and it works extremely well for getting great sound, because we use it right. It's a question of bracing and tuning. You get a better sounding cab that also weighs much less whilst still being gig-tough. The downside is that it takes longer to design and longer to build, so it costs more. A
The green tolex covers caught my eye, but this video got me to order one 20 mins ago! Can’t wait for it to arrive.
From reading the specs and being an audio engineer, I know the science behind Barefaced cabs is real. I have also heard the bass cabs in person and they are astounding. I just wonder with this pandemic, where in the hell people will find any gigs to make use of these blessedly lightweight yet powerful designs. They are certainly worth the price, but only for musicians that can find work.
g Yes, we’re certainly seeing that problem - hence more making of videos and less making cabs. If it doesn’t change soon then Barefaced will have to shrink to survive and then rebuild as the gigging economy returns. Such is 2020 life! A
Great demo - cheers :)
Is there a benefit in playing on of these cabs at home? Or does it mean more noise to bother the neighbours with?
To be perfectly honest the goals were always about solving sonic problems at gigs, I never even thought about home use - however it turns out that the benefits at home are actually rather substantial! That ability to fill the room with sound much more evenly makes for a better and more consistent tone at lower volumes.
Ooo I like that !
It's like if Bose made a guitar cab that's what it would probably be!
Sounds good on RUclips, but everything sound good on RUclips. But I really am interested in getting in the same room with one of these.
We have a one month trial period if you're within Europe! (Any further afield and the shipping costs get a bit too high).
I'll for sure keep them on my radar anyway.
I'm a 4x12 fanatic, why doesn't he make a 4x12?
I would really like it if you made video where you use a Fender Hot Rod deluxe together with a Barefacedaudio reformer. I’m thinking of buying one as an extension cab or even maybe unplugging the combo speaker if that’s what works best. Please?
We can do that if you have a Hot Rod Deluxe you can send us! ;-)
@@BarefacedAudio :) Quite costy since I live in the north of Norway:) Very eager to try it out. Might just order one an try it out myself. I'm sure it will work just greatd:) Very curious what it would do to the sound compared to what comes out of the combo speaker.
Excellent video. Looking forward to trying the 1 x 12
Really surprised, congratulations !!! I'm from Argentina, how can I buy a 1x12 ???
You can order direct from us, via our website. Email us for advice first! A
This is kind of amazing - right now Im wandering what special and compact cab to get; i just got the tiny Hotone Britwind dual amp pedal; Im at the point of having a custom cab built to get the sound i wanted but this thing might be easier lighter....I was gonna get a 1x15"sealed cab made...perhaps yours is different? But i do need 4ohm speaker
We can do 4 ohm speakers in certain models! But impedance is always secondary to tonal needs, and also less important than sensitivity when it comes to loudness.
yep, it works. great design
These seem insane! I was debating getting a Victory 2X12V however they are they same price as your own and I think I'll be going with yours!
I have a Quad Cortex effects pedal and I’m interested in the Barefaced Reality 112 FR. So far from what I’ve gathered on the internet, this seems to be what I’m looking for.
What Barefaced model would you recommend to pair with the Quad Cortex ???
The Reformer, The Reality or what ???
Which models are compatible with the Quad Cortex or any other similar device ???
At first I was interested in the Friedman ASC12, Line6 Catalyst 200, Laney FR 112, Redsound, etc.
Can you please help me ??? I want something that will sound as close to guitar amplifiers as possible, complete with feedback, etc.
Sounds like a great idea for those who use close backed cabinets.
Amazing! What if I want to build a 2 - 18" cab for my bass amp?
We've tested this at length for bass guitar to see if we could apply it to our bass cabs and for most bass sounds it doesn't help - similar to how it's very rare to add reverb to bass. You want immediacy rather than space with bass so it doesn't fall back and get buried in the mix.
Astounding! well done guys!
And 2x12's to me sound better than the 4x12's and the 1x12's yet this 1x12 is omazing!
Instant like for the Arthur C Clarke reference. Very interesting little beast!
Ok, what body part do I have to sell for a 2x12?
Wouldn’t the sound dispersing everywhere more then usually just cause more phase issues? Or micing issues?
I like the idea of this for jamming, but I wonder if I want the direct sound from a loud amp at all angles, I often do stand to the side to avoid too much bite for too long .
I also like the wall of sound smack that goes from closed backs and how they project sound forward .
Idk how to feel about this .
You know what I’d love? An even more punchy closed back. As punchy and bouncy as possible
This is a great example of how sound and acoustics are misunderstood, so thanks! You don't get phase issues because you're dealing with direct and reflected sound and the brain doesn't care about phase. At low frequencies the AVD corrects the phase of the rear output hence the rise in efficiency and output. You don't get micing issues because any bleed sounds far more like the sound you want, so it's less of a problem. You don't get the excessive bite like being completely on-axis with the speaker cone, it's far more like standing in that good listening position and then being able to walk around the room and hear that same good tone. The "wall of sound" smack isn't to do with a closed back cab projecting sound forwards, it's because they have more lows than an open cab - the AVD does that too. Also closed back cabs don't project all your sound forwards - they're omnidirectional at lower frequencies and then have a narrowing dispersion pattern with rising frequency, hence all the problems they cause. Regarding what you love, what does "as punchy and bouncy as possible" actually mean? My first reaction is that you should swap your guitar for a bass guitar! ;-) A
Very impressive but My question is what if you’re jammed up in a small space at a gig and your speaker is one foot from the wall. In your demo there was a ton of room behind the speaker.
Bob Wijnschenk If the cab is anything from only few inches to as much as thirty feet from the rear wall the AVD works. The benefit diminishes more with big distances to the rear wall because the reflection is less strong but in those scenarios you don’t need to stand as close to your cab so the off-axis frontal output is less of an issue. I’ve noticed a few people assuming you need lots of space behind the cab - why do you think this is? Just wondering about guitarists’ intuitive understanding of acoustics... A
@@BarefacedAudio thanks for the clarification.
Ordered a 1x12 last week.. looking forward to getting it. You should do an option to have the 2x12 as a vertical cab as well (just an idea).
yes or extra rubber feet to set one vertical or horizontal; However, because of the design, no need to have it vertical as the highs and mid will be heard just as well as a vertical.
MrDavemiley the idea was more around floor space. If I’m doing wet dry with lunch box heads to have the 2x12 vertical is better than horizontal.
They now do make a vertical 2x12...! :-)
Very nice, thank you! BTW is that the artwork from Elliott Smith "Figure 8" behind you in your portion of the vid? Nice touch if so :).
Michael Murray It is indeed! Bobby made it from scrap ply on the CNC machine, quite a feat!
Excellent. I'm sold. I'll see about pricing and shipping.
How it work with my headrush pedalboard and line 6 hx stomp?
You'd need to add a power amp, so you could get one of those pedal-sized power amps for you board. Email barefacedbass@gmail.com and I can go through your set-up in more detail! A
Wow!
Very hard to tell without a direct comparison with a "regular" 1x12
I hope these get really popular and the price goes down.
I want one with a monotone British 30..
I hate cabinets. But i love these.
Hi Alex, I'm close to pulling the trigger on one of these 1 x 12 cabs, but I can't find any demos of the cab miced up normally. Can you direct me to something like that?