Click bar blows doors on trust bar. Manually unwinding lines sucks and always ends in a mess if you loop your kite a lot. Clicking the depower is in precise increments. No stupid line to fumble with. Never going back to regular bar. My opinion.....
I have been able to extensively use 2 bars in my life that is the core sensor 2 and the click bar. I personally prefer hands down the click bar, feels better IMO and the design is just so clean, plus you have a stopper in case you have a short arm reach. However I have to say lines quality on duotone is so bad and they tend to tangle so easily, I know just changing the light fixes this issue however for a premium bar you shouldn't have to do this. Apart from that I haven't had any issues with the click bar after a year of use such as rust or any of that.
Good video as usually! :) It would be interesting for many if you compare directly the 2 steering line depower bars currently on the market - Duotone's Clickbar vs Ocean Rodeo's StickShift bar.
Hey Zlatko, Nothign planned so here is my opinion. Just my 2c here....but I prefer the Duotone Click. The function is smoother, the kite feel is more direct, the bar is lighter, the bar diameter is smaller and more ergonomic. One thing some riders like about the shift bar is that it has the option to really move the stopper up high for a crazy amount of depower travel. However, most kites won't benefit from that much depower anyway and you'd need crazy long arms to reach that far out. This coming from a lanky 6'3 dude ;) My biggest dig against the shift bar is that the size, shape, and material of the shift knob is prone to getting a line wrapped around it. As a rider who foils and rides waves a lot, that is a dealbreaker for me since my lines a slack a lot. -Tucker
One thing I feel you missed is the variable Y... My buddy is flying core kites and I like duotone more. However it's nice to be able to switch the Y on the clicker bar so i can use his kites as well, but I don't really like the "bulky" feel of the bar. I'm fine with powering it with the middle section so the click doesn't give me much benefit besides precise depower. One additional thing I'd like you to talk about is line quality. I've read some things on the web and it's actually scary to hear about this bad line quality. Do you have any insight on this?
Yes... I have a click and though I like how it performs, the lines quality as well as the durability of all the plastics (bar rubber, bungees) is simply terrible. After only 6 months, the bar looks older than 5 years old Core bars!! A shame.
@@8888zou I actually bought the new version due to the usage of new lines...It's working fine for me so far. How ever I have to say, it's not possible to use the Click-Bar on the Core XR. I tried it intensely and I have quite some lower arm strength due to climbing. But damn. That bar pressure was insane. I was getting cramps after like two hours of riding an XR 10m with the trust bar in the right setting. (High Y I think, not sure anymore) It was almost impossible to ride for me - I'm not a professional so take this into account- I just got a used dice 10m and its perfect. Yes, its direct but you're not ripping your arms off. In the end; ClickBar isn't worth it for me. The new Core looks really good though.
Both are excellent freeride-crossover kites. Super-versatile. The biggest difference I find is the bar pressure. The Reach has more bar pressure and kite feel. The Evo has a lighter feel and will fatigue less for weak-armed riders on long sessions. Others in the shop will disagree but I prefer the Reach. Primarily because I like a little more bar pressure to feel the kite without looking. -Tucker
@@MACkiteboarding Have a Reach now, coming from Duotone Neo... and it's day and night... Bar pressure is much lower but still sufficient to feel the kite... so lower than that not necessary.... but miss the "grunt" of the neo...
Hey Rygo- nice vídeo ! Do you happen to know how the rubber bands on the click bar can be replaced in case they explode? Hard to find something related about it on RUclips. Thank you
I asked the same question to the Duotone support. You have to change the whole floater😩. I don't like the rubber bands. They have been broken several times 👎
yep, their rubber bands are very badly designed. And their clips often"explode". Replacing them (50$ floater kit and a lot of work) won't help, since the new ones will explode as well. Just a piece of crap. It could be solved so easily simply by using longer bands. Have to replace them for the third time. Dealbreaker.
@@leonvanbergen4077 paying 50$ and spending 1 hour to replace those crap just to see the clips explose after a week of usage... ??? the guy who designed that should be fired.
it should in theory... but for mysterious reasons (after of course changing the Y split to V split), it doesn't work as well as with the North Navigator Bar... less progressive feel... so I sold my click bar...I was also fed up with grip, rubber, and line quality issues. Spares are expensive, not easily available (try to find lines on your tropical spot), and it takes a lot of time to change anything.
@@MACkiteboarding But why are everybody complaining about the quality of the lines? For the money you give for this bar I don't expect my lines to be poor quality. :))
Emil Nikolov I have heard that from some people recently too. I’ve had a Duotone bar for two years that I used for testing and no issues. Same with our lesson bars. The only thing I can think is Duotone wanted to have the thinnest lines available. 2021 click bar has updated lines that are supposed to be really strong. 🤙🏻 - Rygo
Emil Nikolov I hear that! If your not feeling pre 2021 Duotone bars and you have to get something, the navigator is on sale and www.mackiteboarding.com/2020-north-navigator-control-bar/
@@zomo_215 for 2021 they will use they same lines as core has been using for the last years, the 2020 bar still has the old lines, but if you keep em clean and take good care of them they last pretty long. I kite quite a lot, year round, and mine took 2,5 years to start wearing. If something weird happens though, like a tension snap after a frontstall, yeah they tend to be a little weaker, but I wouldn't worry about it that much
@@stijndenouden3931 ok thanks for that quick reply! Yeah I guess I will look at the price difference between 2021 and 2020 bar and then decide. But thanks for your advice!
Click bar blows doors on trust bar. Manually unwinding lines sucks and always ends in a mess if you loop your kite a lot. Clicking the depower is in precise increments. No stupid line to fumble with. Never going back to regular bar. My opinion.....
I have been able to extensively use 2 bars in my life that is the core sensor 2 and the click bar. I personally prefer hands down the click bar, feels better IMO and the design is just so clean, plus you have a stopper in case you have a short arm reach. However I have to say lines quality on duotone is so bad and they tend to tangle so easily, I know just changing the light fixes this issue however for a premium bar you shouldn't have to do this. Apart from that I haven't had any issues with the click bar after a year of use such as rust or any of that.
The sensor 3 looks so good. Kinda want that bar for my evo. In addition to that no worries for the lines would be great.
Good video as usually! :) It would be interesting for many if you compare directly the 2 steering line depower bars currently on the market - Duotone's Clickbar vs Ocean Rodeo's StickShift bar.
Hey Zlatko, Nothign planned so here is my opinion. Just my 2c here....but I prefer the Duotone Click. The function is smoother, the kite feel is more direct, the bar is lighter, the bar diameter is smaller and more ergonomic. One thing some riders like about the shift bar is that it has the option to really move the stopper up high for a crazy amount of depower travel. However, most kites won't benefit from that much depower anyway and you'd need crazy long arms to reach that far out. This coming from a lanky 6'3 dude ;) My biggest dig against the shift bar is that the size, shape, and material of the shift knob is prone to getting a line wrapped around it. As a rider who foils and rides waves a lot, that is a dealbreaker for me since my lines a slack a lot.
-Tucker
Nice! I’m finally making a kite trip to Michigan in July. Praying for wind.
Have fun! Fingers crossed for you. - Rygo
I've heard that there are some issues with the clickbar that you can't move the bar forward when the bar is fully cranked. What's your take on this?
One thing I feel you missed is the variable Y... My buddy is flying core kites and I like duotone more. However it's nice to be able to switch the Y on the clicker bar so i can use his kites as well, but I don't really like the "bulky" feel of the bar. I'm fine with powering it with the middle section so the click doesn't give me much benefit besides precise depower.
One additional thing I'd like you to talk about is line quality. I've read some things on the web and it's actually scary to hear about this bad line quality. Do you have any insight on this?
Yes... I have a click and though I like how it performs, the lines quality as well as the durability of all the plastics (bar rubber, bungees) is simply terrible. After only 6 months, the bar looks older than 5 years old Core bars!! A shame.
@@8888zou I actually bought the new version due to the usage of new lines...It's working fine for me so far. How ever I have to say, it's not possible to use the Click-Bar on the Core XR. I tried it intensely and I have quite some lower arm strength due to climbing. But damn. That bar pressure was insane. I was getting cramps after like two hours of riding an XR 10m with the trust bar in the right setting. (High Y I think, not sure anymore) It was almost impossible to ride for me - I'm not a professional so take this into account- I just got a used dice 10m and its perfect. Yes, its direct but you're not ripping your arms off.
In the end; ClickBar isn't worth it for me. The new Core looks really good though.
Hi Rygo
Could you compare North Reach vs Duotone Evo?
Both are excellent freeride-crossover kites. Super-versatile. The biggest difference I find is the bar pressure. The Reach has more bar pressure and kite feel. The Evo has a lighter feel and will fatigue less for weak-armed riders on long sessions. Others in the shop will disagree but I prefer the Reach. Primarily because I like a little more bar pressure to feel the kite without looking.
-Tucker
@@MACkiteboarding Have a Reach now, coming from Duotone Neo... and it's day and night... Bar pressure is much lower but still sufficient to feel the kite... so lower than that not necessary.... but miss the "grunt" of the neo...
Hey Rygo- nice vídeo ! Do you happen to know how the rubber bands on the click bar can be replaced in case they explode? Hard to find something related about it on RUclips. Thank you
ruclips.net/video/FBRlw7-PZjY/видео.html
I asked the same question to the Duotone support. You have to change the whole floater😩. I don't like the rubber bands. They have been broken several times 👎
yep, their rubber bands are very badly designed. And their clips often"explode". Replacing them (50$ floater kit and a lot of work) won't help, since the new ones will explode as well. Just a piece of crap. It could be solved so easily simply by using longer bands. Have to replace them for the third time. Dealbreaker.
@@leonvanbergen4077 paying 50$ and spending 1 hour to replace those crap just to see the clips explose after a week of usage... ??? the guy who designed that should be fired.
Will the click bar work with other kites, such as the North Reach?
it should in theory... but for mysterious reasons (after of course changing the Y split to V split), it doesn't work as well as with the North Navigator Bar... less progressive feel... so I sold my click bar...I was also fed up with grip, rubber, and line quality issues. Spares are expensive, not easily available (try to find lines on your tropical spot), and it takes a lot of time to change anything.
Hey, fantastic video! :) Can you give me an advice about is the click bar the better option for freestyle?
Emil Nikolov The Click bar is what I see all the Duotone Team riders using. The Coated lines are really nice on the hands for handle passing. - Rygo
@@MACkiteboarding But why are everybody complaining about the quality of the lines? For the money you give for this bar I don't expect my lines to be poor quality. :))
Emil Nikolov I have heard that from some people recently too. I’ve had a Duotone bar for two years that I used for testing and no issues. Same with our lesson bars. The only thing I can think is Duotone wanted to have the thinnest lines available. 2021 click bar has updated lines that are supposed to be really strong. 🤙🏻 - Rygo
@@MACkiteboarding Thanks for the feedback, but I don't have the finances for the 2021 click bar🙃
Emil Nikolov I hear that! If your not feeling pre 2021 Duotone bars and you have to get something, the navigator is on sale and www.mackiteboarding.com/2020-north-navigator-control-bar/
I love your videos. Is it possible to invite you to Maldives?
Sounds like my kind of adventure. Any recommendations on kite spots and seasons? - Rygo
@@MACkiteboarding well, you are a legend. Kitesurfing with you is all we want. Is it possible we talk in private?
Cristiano Haddock haha, cheers. That’s a big title to live up to! Yeah shoot me an email. Ryan@mackite.com
Vantastic
Its always an advanture! P
Both have very very poor line quality, metal parts get surface rust after 2 months and the price is high. Respect your self buy something strong
So I’m not the only one breaking Duotone lines?
@@kokiter2674 nope, the lines they use on their bars tend to be really light. For this year they have upgraded them though.
@@stijndenouden3931 are they now as good as those of other brands? Gonna buy 2020 rebels but dont want my lines to be trash
@@zomo_215 for 2021 they will use they same lines as core has been using for the last years, the 2020 bar still has the old lines, but if you keep em clean and take good care of them they last pretty long. I kite quite a lot, year round, and mine took 2,5 years to start wearing. If something weird happens though, like a tension snap after a frontstall, yeah they tend to be a little weaker, but I wouldn't worry about it that much
@@stijndenouden3931 ok thanks for that quick reply! Yeah I guess I will look at the price difference between 2021 and 2020 bar and then decide. But thanks for your advice!