The great thing about Gaijin is that they have been more open over the last few years about their decisions. But unfortunately that creates powder kegs like this one which all it needs is a spark.
I think they should have just respected the communities' votes. We said no as a community but then they do it anyways and take dev work away from other facets of the game to do this test we didnt want. They even specifically said this would be labor intensive and take a while so it really will take a lot of work out of future updates that we could have had. Potentially less vehicles, less maps, less unique content, all for something we didnt want.
Is this testing the APHE cone shrapnel, or is it testing how APHE will perform, because from what I've seen there is still spherical shrapnel with the tested checkbox on
@@arandombystander2233 To be fair, it was very close to 50/50 and they probably have already been working on it. I like the idea of, if it is close, implement it in the dev server, and re poll once people play with it a bit
Guys, you have to check over what they typed. They said that this was a vote to test it in game. People voted no. That vote was a vote if Gaijin should make it available for people to test the mechanic. The lines above the vote said they *are* going to implement it in the future. They had their minds set on this change, but the wording was super poor.
Democracy will be upheld, if we vote no that means FUCKING NO, if they had a vote and I lost then I would be content but when you win then they turn around and fist you, I don't give a shit what they think if you blatantly don't care what we think I will fully stop playing this game, its shit after shit, at some point I'm going to stop clapping even if its 1700 hours in, World of tanks lost my trust and I left that game after 2000 hours and thousands into the game, if gaijin thinks they are special they are sorely mistaken. I will take my money and time somewhere else, when free to play game has a vote its effectively asking the investors what they want, we pay for the existence of the game. I'm not even upset about the changes, I think the game will be worse cause volumetric is trash and only kind of works as intended this adds another layer of complication. If the second vote is yes then I won't care that's the voice of the people if I'm out voted I will sit back down quietly, if its no and they still implement it then I'm gone forever out of principle. I don't honestly care about FOMO, never stopped me giving up on WOT when it became trash in like 2018.
@@Gracefulwarrior2124 sadly this is the case, they are nerfing APHE. Baboons think this is bettering the round but it has decreased the explosive mass for shrapnel. They have done it with other rounds, people always fall for this 🫠
@@Jatzki it worked in the showcase (see images posted in the devblog), so there wouldnt have been any difference, and they just ignored the results anyways
They are getting solid data that proves their player base is dumb and cannot be relied on to be involved in decisions like this for the game. No other reason to have people vote for a test, except for to show that the player base will divide and ~50% will rationalize voting "no" when the question is "would you like more information about this before making a decision" Edit: funniest part of all was the people who were saying things like "T28 is going to become invincible because the cupola weakspot will be removed! All cupola weakspots are going to be removed! Jumbo will be unplayable!" and now that we can test we see that 99% of the time, cupola shots are even stronger because the side shrapnel has had its damage buffed... Which was something that Gaijin wrote about in the initial post. The poll's question can honestly be boiled down to "can you read"
Gaijin never just "tests" something. It's going to be implemented and then when it doesn't work they won't go back we will just have to live with it, like the penetration changes in 2019 that was just a "test" yet when people pointed out the issues they ignored them and added it anyway. Newer players are too naive gaijin does what gaijin wants its been this way for the almost 10 years I have been playing and its not gonna change.
I feel like they were more looking for a large part of the playerbase to want a change. They wanted the change themselves but like they said it would be a lot of work and if only like less than a quarter of the playerbase wanted it they wouldnt bother. But since it was pretty much half of the playerbase they saw the want was there and they went with their own vote. I dont see any other reason for them to suggest any changes since I don't think the discussion/debate about APHE was ever really that loud. People were more loud about how bad solid/sub caliber AP was.
@@nikolaideianov5092 and there's a reason why in game shells should be different from one another especially the two most used shells in game at lower BR
@@princessapplestrach6327 it would be so great and simple for the snail to just increase the damage on AP or give it more pen compared to APHE. But its the snail
I think they shouldn't call it a vote, but rather a survey and there wouldn't be an expectation of having power over the game in the same sense and also not feeling betrayed by the "vote" not being the final descider.
the problem are not us it russian community manager that incite other people to vote no for some weird reason despite it just a test it won't hurt a try
Guys, you have to check over what they typed. They said that this was a vote to test it in game. People voted no. That vote was a vote if Gaijin should make it available for people to test the mechanic. The lines above the vote said they *are* going to implement it in the future. They had their minds set on this change, but the wording was super poor.
I would have added fuse integrity instead of this. Simulations show that if the shell barely makes it through the fuse that explodes it is usually damaged
Gaijin once again telling there community that "we really don't care if you don't want it you're going to get it anyway". Pretty sure the community is going to riot again and gaijin will take a step back only to sneakily put it into the game a little at a time.
0:48 Why are you obsessed with the 50% mark? It's not a vote but a poll to see if people have interest, as you said yourself. And you can clearly see a lot of people were interested.
@@Gracefulwarrior2124No, remember that War Thunder is a realistic game and if there is a 50/50 split community and Gaijin has to make a decision they will always chose realism
@@streetfighter2471 Yes but APHE isn't the nuke an entire crew with spalling in all directions kind of shell, it explodes more in a cone due to the shell's travel path. Case in point, there were Sherman Crews that survived getting hit by a Tiger's APHE round, of course it was mostly just 2 or so crew members that got out as the others were in the forever sleep, but it wasn't the instant-kill all round it is in-game and honestly it shouldn't be because it outshines literally every round in the game that isn't a dart.
What is your geniuine oppinon on the new APHE? All I can see is a massive nerf and more RNG in killing enemies. Heavy tanks overall will be much stronger and tanks in downtiers will be super strong or rather the uptiered tanks that use APHE with lower pen eill be borderline useless even when flanking. I belive the next vote will be overwhelmingly NO for this change.
@@T95man game itself is far from realistic. You know what im saying so dont use that excuse. also every shell thats penetrating the tank is bomb for crew .
People think it's going to make there heavy tanks invincible and it might for the first few weeks and then when there heavy tanks start doing well there br's will be raised and they will be useless again.
They shouldve just launched the test without making a poll for it. It's a test, after all, it will only get to the live game if the test shows positive results, so it makes no sense to make a poll on if they should release the test or no
Honestly they could just fix most of these problems by just buffing standard AP to a more historical state. Better angled performance, better flat pen, and a damage buff would all be massively helpful and would make the APHE changes less of a bitter pill to a lot of people.
Step 1: "Here's a vote for whether or not we will do this expensive thing." Step 2: "The vote has concluded that the majority do not want us to do the expensive thing." Step 3: "We are going to do the expensive thing anyway, meaning it must not have been that expensive in the first place." Prospective Step 4: "This was very expensive for us to do, so it will now remain for an indeterminate amount of time."
@@nikolaideianov5092 Yeah tiny majority should be irrelevant as opinions can quickly change. Like brexit, a 2% majority voted them out now 60% of voters would want to rejoin the eu lmao
These aphe changes are unnecessary, the people who wanted it are newer or lower skill level players looking for an excuse to cope about how bad they are at the game, if aphe was such an op round as they claimed why are the people saying this change was needed have awful service records in their tanks? They should just revert those make believe calculations they added back in 2019 that changed all the pen values and made aphe way to strong and stop making maps so small and just streets with no flanks so heavy tanks can take advantage of their armor at range and cannons that are great at range like the tigers. Gaijin also has a history off over nerfing things just look at the current state of hesh and sabot
no? most people who didnt want the change suck, aphe is broken, please tell me how someone in something like a tortiose is meant to do when a tiger can kill half the crew from a coupla shot? APHE is by far the best performing round in the game
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 well you see your tortoise can pen the front plate of a tiger across the entire map so you really must suck at the game if you can't pull that off where that poor tiger has to aim for a tiny machine gun turret on the top of your tank. Like my comment said and you are now proving only bad players want this change, like you who cant kill tigers in a tortoise with 90mm AP. You just want a tank that's invincible where you don't have to think and can just hold down W and never die and point and click and kill things instead of learning to play the damn game.
@@FoxKai it was an example of a tank at 5.3 being able to basically ignore all the armour on a heavy tank at 6.7, I could of used the T34 instead if you want There's no way to protect your coupla on most tanks so there's no point playing heavy tanks, how is that balanced Also a few other things, what if its a 1v2, you are reloading, ect At higher tiers without aphe you can play around your tank strengths in armour or speed, being 1 shot in a heavy tank isn't fun. 7.7-11.7 is much more fun for countries like France and Britian
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 Tiger is not 5.3. and again the same thing stand for the T34 American heavy fires AP which can pen the front of tiger from across the map where the tiger 1 needs to get a shot on your lower plate or mg port which you can easily hide, in fact that's even easier to hid than the tortoise MG. Also since responding I played the tortoise to prove my point that you suck. ruclips.net/channel/UCH0zM9a_0BjoFFuC_2B_rygcommunity?lb=Ugkxj6sMX_x6hHK-1ESPN2e4jl7uzUR6CI3z 9 kills 0 deaths almost a nuke up tiered against Germany. Again you just want a tank that's invincible that one shots everything as you refuse to drive tanks correctly. Also higher tiers are just as bad, there is no skill or playing to tanks strengths you just get one shot by heatfs or apfsds through the front so what's the difference between that and someone aiming for a small weak spot and using aphe to one shot you?
@@FoxKai 1. By T34 I'm talking about the Russian tank, which can pen the coupla of the tortoise easily and kill half the crew 2. You say I have a skill issue then say your more likely to be one shot? Do you not play any post ww2 vehicles? Because uh.. I very very rarely get 1 shot at 7.7+ but everything below that? I get 1 shot all the time aside from when I play a heavy tank but even then its like 2 shots at most before death (with exceptions like the Tiger E and Churchill 7) And again at higher brs its more balanced? Slow moving tanks like the Chieftan mk10 or challenger 2 for example can go Hull down and snipe,, while stuff like a leopard 1 and Centuro can flank while requiring knowledge on tanks they face and good aim, at lower brs you can kill nearly all tanks with a coupla shot, at top tier frontal shots rarely 1 shot Mbts, and side shots only 1 shot if you know specifically were to aim It's much much more balanced then Germany, US and the Soviets curbstomping all smaller nations
What's most disappointing to me are the monkies cheering this on, just because they 'won'. I wouldn't even mind if Gaijin had simply gone ahead with testing without asking, but holding a vote and then ignoring the result is just vile.
I reckon they started development for the APHE changes, then introduced the idea to the community, thereafter held the vote so they didn't want to waste the resources so they're putting it through anyways
gaijins decision making makes zero sense, like do they think that if a presidential candidate won just by a single vote that they should give the other guy a chance? no, ofcourse not, the better guy just wins and thats how it should be, id say gaijin is trying to make another revolt again
As a business I believe they tried to gauge thoughts on it. Clearly enough people supported the idea to the point where they aren't going to ignore them. That being said their whole making a vote for it was idiotic.
it was a poll and not a vote, and it was basically 50/50. so half of the people who spoke want change. I can see why they did this. they simply wanted to know if enough people want the change, and that is true. I am all for it
@@NekoAngelGamingNAG if your president is elected by 49.7% of votes, when the opposant is 50.3% of votes, who would you get ? First or second ? Don’t try to defend them, it was not 50/50. A majority still was found. And it was no. PERIOD.
I never took those votes to be actual decisions making votes, just a way for them to get feedback, an idea of the popularity of the thing and also legitimacy when it goes in their way
Im pretty sure that they just wanted enough yeses to actually make an effort and then decide with the next vote. It would be a complete waste to even test if no one wanted it.
for me, I would like aphe to change(tbf, I would like any ammo type to be change if they have more info about how it really work or just for balancing the ammo) idk, maybe I just interesting in new mechanic, new way to destroy enemy tank. I'm kind of ppl who like learning new mechanics over and over. I will 100% try it if I ever have a chance to test it. you know, between the picture and text telling how it work and playing/doing it yourself is different experience. But I 100% agree on you, Gaijin should just tell us they want to change it and let ppl test it in test-server. then asking ppl would they like it or not, what would they can improve it or make it better with this change. it would be better dicision for communicating with player.
@@T95man It would be realistic if your crew bailed out after getting a penetrating side shot and a liquified commander + gunner. Bet you wouldn't like it though.
@@T95man Same for me but I think WOT would be good for you. You can afk park like you always wanted to, now tanks wont immediately die when a penetrating side shot happens and it will be inconsistent thanks to people like you.
I guess maybe I viewed this differently than most. I was watching Tom (Oxy) on the WT stream and the way he explained it, was what people were voting on was how much resources and how soon the changes were going to come to the game. It sounded like the decision had been made, just what priority it was going to be executed.
The vote was an INTEREST poll among players: "preparing this testing will require some significant time from the development team, so today we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested in switching to a more detailed damage model for APHE shells." "If you’re interested in testing, we’ll start preparing it and will host another voting on this change based on its results." The vote was close to 50%/50%, which for Gaijin is a good indicator of community interest, and it’s NOT a definitive implementation vote. In fact, it’s a more realistic implementation (which is what you wanted, isn’t it?). I don’t see what the problem is-it won’t be good or bad, just different. Stop being so superficial about these issues. Gaijin has been listening to players a lot more over the past five years. Take that into consideration.
The point of the vote was not to be Democratic in nature, but rather to see if the community would have interest in a phe changes. Gaijin likes to push for realism, that's what war thunder is All about, that's why they patented the volumetric shell system for their games, If the vote was 40 - 60 in favor of no aphe changes, they probably would be doing the same thing that they are doing now. The point of the poll was to see if there is a portion of the community that is in favor of the changes. It is to see if the community absolutely 100% dislikes the idea, that way they can avoid those decisions. But when it comes to decisions like this, they are the ones who make the final call, especially when the community is divided on it. If the community is divided on it, they will always lean towards the side of realism.
Players didn't vote "no", it favored implementation and I personally want to see if they will make it work or if they will more likely botch it like usual.
Should never have gone through. Gaijin just devalued and spoiled every vote going forward. The players said no and Gaijin said fuck you guys anyways. They even came out later and said they’d honor a 51 next vote, like bullshit. How do we trust you.
I think realistic stuff is still alright. At least gives a second chance for the enemy to fight back. Or the cupola shots wouldn't be unfair in the realistic scenario. Let them test it.
@@treyfloyd6003 If you think that the F-20 which is Rank 8 or that any 11.3 premium tank isn't a top tier vehicle then you are as stupid and biased as almost any other War Thunder player that sh*ts out the same nonsense as you. People like you are the reason why the game is suffering.
These aphe changes aren’t even that bad I don’t understand why people are getting mad. Yes people you actually have to flank now instead of nuking the coupla
APHE is to blame for A LOT of poor balance. Toning down the spall will allow vehicles that are way over BR'd to come down, or be less ridiculous. Example: Early Russian 85mm tractors. The IS-1 will be able to come down if it isn't firing a one-hit-nuke anymore.
there shouldn't have been a vote honestly, i'm with gaijin on this one. Realism has always been a major point of balancing and fixing how these shells by-in-large perform realistically just makes sense.
This wasn't a bad thing. They told you it was going to be tested and they ultimately have the final decision. I say put all the APHE changes into the game. Change is good if you don't like it go play the other tank game they'll make the game easier for you hold your hand not listen to you and scam you for more money.
Not every vote is a straight majority vote, this was clearly to see if there was enough interest in the feature to warrant testing it, it probably would've been tested at 20% or more yes votes. Your view of votes is clouded by politics, 50%+ isn't the goal and never was.
I would have liked the changes because it would make the game more realistic. Instead of having a shell act like a 500lb bomb it will act like an aphe shell
It's funny how Gaijin said significant dev time would be needed so the vote was whether to develop the test, but it was ready to test as soon as the poll ended lmao. For APHE enjoyers this buff is wonderful. Well worth losing the cupola weak spot. I think they were just expecting a landslide of yes votes so the changes could be shown as widely wanted by the community.
Gaijin: so here are some changes that might change the entire playstyle for a lot of changes but because it is so big you guys can vote.” Also gaijin when players say no: Okay eeeh, so we changed it anyways. If this comes through, we need br compression for ground battles for sure
I dont understand, why are you upset about it? They mentioned that they might roll out the changes to the Dev server anyways because the vote was close. I think its a good thing they decided to do so, atleast now you can get a picture of how the change is going to affect the game before you vote on it.
Leaving everything to votes in order to avoid backlash from that one time they messed up was a HUGE mistake. Imagine if Monster hunter devs were polling people on how to develop their game, and what features or what monsters to add... lmao. If the vision of the devs was to add the new type of APHE fragmentation then just fucking do it.
It was more to check if people are interested If they got like 80% saying no then it wouldnt have happend As per gaijin"we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested"
I havent tried the new shells but if what i see from other videos, shorts and such this change would cause a disaster through the entire game. Tanks like the kv 1 and 2, tigers etc would become literal gods and would destroy the "balancing" that took gaijin years to get down properly. Im not against changes but imo nothing good would come out of this if this gets to live.
Gaijin was 100% correct to ignore the brigading against this change by Russian content creators (whose sole concern was making sure Russian APHE remains strong).
The way I see it, the vote was technically a loss, but it wasnt an overwhelming loss. You should also consider the fact that a lot of people who voted no didnt realize it was only for testing. At least in my country, our government needs 2/3 of votes to go through with lots of major decisions, which is actually a pretty good way to go through with things.
Not an illusion when they tell you the vote doesn't matter Its dumb to say no to a test vote. Its a test, vote if you like it or not after the test. And im pretty sure theu said it didn't matter if it was voted no or not because they wanted to make it more realistic. Your videos have gone way downhill the past year or so. I used to agree with alot of the stuff you say, but now its just garage opinions that half the time dont make since. I wont lie i might be wrong about them saying they wanted to do the test regardless of votes but im like 90% sure they did Think of the vote as a poll instead because thats what it was, just feeback to see how the community feels I went to go look and they did say that part of the changes would be tested regardless of vote.... so stop crying
i kinda wish they tested it first, then made a vote whether to keep it in the game or not from DEV servers and maybe even live servers to further test it, though idk why they decided to do the votes first, seems kinda odd
The interesting thing is that gajin probably sees this whole thing as a success. Since changing the aphe will take work even for a test and they dont want to waste work time if no one less than (25%) are interested. This whole argument just proves the flaws of the community surrounding warthunder and how badly the communication between devs and the community is.
Sad but not surprised they do this with everything especially vehicle balancing they pick what errors and faults , 'fixez' they want . Not what's right or wanted
@@UncleMisu and from dosens to hundreds want it Considering what gaijin has said in the innisual post I think it was just to check if large majority (80%) didnt want it And its still a test Also aphe is getting a buff with or with out votes
@@nikolaideianov5092 i don't care about the fucking aphe they could make it to do no damage on anything. I have everything in game i only play top tier i literally don't care about the changes. I care that the vote is respected and they stop trying to look busy by remodeling unimportant shit when they have much more important things to fix... Like the BR's or the fucking economy of the game
Understand puting thinks to test so people can actually try and then vote but Gaijin should took the L on this one and respect the pools vote. Now it will feel that it's all gaijins decision with no true account for what players say.
Didn't they always say that part of the changes were gonna be tested regardless of the vote? I think the vote was just over the splitter patterns basically.
Tbf: 1: A Russian CC urged his entire community to vote no 2: A lot of people thought the vote was for implementing it, not testing it. 3: within 2 hrs, the vote went from 70-30 to 50-50. Sus if you ask me.
@@randompillow5146 they supported yes, but they didn’t call on their community to go and vote no. They’re allowed to have their opinions, but this creator purposely attempted to sway his fanbase into voting said way. A perfect example of how to show support but leave it up to the individual is how OddBawz covered it.
Good thing he and other Russian CC called our community to vote “no”. We are simple people. We want to play major nations and using some skill and luck we want our enemies to go BOOOOM. APHE is critical component of that recipe. We love CQC maps, we don’t like “HUGE FIELDS OF THE FIELDS” or GREAT SANDS OF THE RED DUNES” maps. We like our game to be about action, active movement and good kills. We think game has enough other issues to fix. APHE is the most stable and consistent shell in terms of performance. There is no need to brake something that works. Audio is awful, volumetric shells are awful (trust me we don’t like when a T-34 bounces of a Tiger/Panther shot at point blank). We would rather have the snail buff other type of ammunition like HESH, HEAT and I don’t remember how you call early game “sabot”.
Ig the vote was only for testing on the live server? Clearly they already put the effort in for the changes and want them to go through. The way they did this was silly though, either dont have a vote or make it incredibly explicit what the voting is for if its going to be a complicated mechanic change like this. Most who voted didnt even know they were voting for the testing of the change, they thought they were voting to make the change straight away
The great thing about Gaijin is that they have been more open over the last few years about their decisions. But unfortunately that creates powder kegs like this one which all it needs is a spark.
I think they should have just respected the communities' votes. We said no as a community but then they do it anyways and take dev work away from other facets of the game to do this test we didnt want. They even specifically said this would be labor intensive and take a while so it really will take a lot of work out of future updates that we could have had. Potentially less vehicles, less maps, less unique content, all for something we didnt want.
Is this testing the APHE cone shrapnel, or is it testing how APHE will perform, because from what I've seen there is still spherical shrapnel with the tested checkbox on
@@arandombystander2233 To be fair, it was very close to 50/50 and they probably have already been working on it. I like the idea of, if it is close, implement it in the dev server, and re poll once people play with it a bit
Guys, you have to check over what they typed.
They said that this was a vote to test it in game.
People voted no. That vote was a vote if Gaijin should make it available for people to test the mechanic.
The lines above the vote said they *are* going to implement it in the future.
They had their minds set on this change, but the wording was super poor.
Democracy will be upheld, if we vote no that means FUCKING NO, if they had a vote and I lost then I would be content but when you win then they turn around and fist you, I don't give a shit what they think if you blatantly don't care what we think I will fully stop playing this game, its shit after shit, at some point I'm going to stop clapping even if its 1700 hours in, World of tanks lost my trust and I left that game after 2000 hours and thousands into the game, if gaijin thinks they are special they are sorely mistaken.
I will take my money and time somewhere else, when free to play game has a vote its effectively asking the investors what they want, we pay for the existence of the game.
I'm not even upset about the changes, I think the game will be worse cause volumetric is trash and only kind of works as intended this adds another layer of complication.
If the second vote is yes then I won't care that's the voice of the people if I'm out voted I will sit back down quietly, if its no and they still implement it then I'm gone forever out of principle.
I don't honestly care about FOMO, never stopped me giving up on WOT when it became trash in like 2018.
Gaijin: Okay so.... anyway
Gajin finally being smart.
😂
gaijin was expecting everybody to vote yes
This isnt even about the APHE cone shrapnel, this is just how APHE is gonna work now
@@Gracefulwarrior2124 sadly this is the case, they are nerfing APHE. Baboons think this is bettering the round but it has decreased the explosive mass for shrapnel. They have done it with other rounds, people always fall for this 🫠
No democracy for you
no democracy for bad players
@@jozefdobrovodsky2932 German mains crying in the corner
Of course you have democracy! Russian style!
It's not supposed to be a democracy but a poll about how many people are interested.
@@Jatzki It's voting tho, a democratic process
they should have just added it as a test for about a week or two instead of holding a vote to TEST it, after you get the info, THEN you can vote
It might use a surprisingly big amount of dev resources to make this functional.
@@Jatzki it worked in the showcase (see images posted in the devblog), so there wouldnt have been any difference, and they just ignored the results anyways
@@Jatzki I'd rather they pour some resources in this than add another F-16 variant for the 50th time.
I’d rather they just honor the vote and not waste any more time on it
@@partisan3353 No it didn't, we didn't see it live and it seemed to do much less damage than it does now. It wasn't even close to be functional then.
to vote for just a test was stupid anyway
They are getting solid data that proves their player base is dumb and cannot be relied on to be involved in decisions like this for the game. No other reason to have people vote for a test, except for to show that the player base will divide and ~50% will rationalize voting "no" when the question is "would you like more information about this before making a decision"
Edit: funniest part of all was the people who were saying things like "T28 is going to become invincible because the cupola weakspot will be removed! All cupola weakspots are going to be removed! Jumbo will be unplayable!" and now that we can test we see that 99% of the time, cupola shots are even stronger because the side shrapnel has had its damage buffed... Which was something that Gaijin wrote about in the initial post. The poll's question can honestly be boiled down to "can you read"
Gaijin never just "tests" something. It's going to be implemented and then when it doesn't work they won't go back we will just have to live with it, like the penetration changes in 2019 that was just a "test" yet when people pointed out the issues they ignored them and added it anyway.
Newer players are too naive gaijin does what gaijin wants its been this way for the almost 10 years I have been playing and its not gonna change.
@@FoxKai pov: you voted "no" on the "can you read" poll
I feel like they were more looking for a large part of the playerbase to want a change. They wanted the change themselves but like they said it would be a lot of work and if only like less than a quarter of the playerbase wanted it they wouldnt bother. But since it was pretty much half of the playerbase they saw the want was there and they went with their own vote. I dont see any other reason for them to suggest any changes since I don't think the discussion/debate about APHE was ever really that loud. People were more loud about how bad solid/sub caliber AP was.
"we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested"
As per gaijin
I feel like you are correct
And how historically APHE was kinda like AP in terms of damage
@@princessapplestrach6327 theres a reason why the brits didnt use it
@@nikolaideianov5092 and there's a reason why in game shells should be different from one another especially the two most used shells in game at lower BR
@@princessapplestrach6327 it would be so great and simple for the snail to just increase the damage on AP or give it more pen compared to APHE. But its the snail
imo there shouldnt of been a vote to have a test, they should of just tested it, THEN voted
@@MasterChef5311 You want Gaijin to do things the right way?
@@MJA-0330 lmao I know they wouldnt do it, that’s just how I think it should of
@@MasterChef5311 Logical
I think they shouldn't call it a vote, but rather a survey and there wouldn't be an expectation of having power over the game in the same sense and also not feeling betrayed by the "vote" not being the final descider.
I do agree with you, however I also know how people think, or rather don’t, on the internet. They would read survey and think vote anyway
Keep buying the $70 premiums and supporting the devs....Gaijin appreciates your support 👍
No just means ask again until you get the answer you want
Remember the times they tested economy but rigging silver for certain players and they asked nobody about that?
giving us a vote before testing was just stupid.
Didn't hurt, if it would've been like 85% no they wouldn't have made the test and use dev resources on it.
the problem are not us it russian community manager that incite other people to vote no for some weird reason despite it just a test it won't hurt a try
Ik wait tell we say no again and they change it to ok we will still change it even though you all say no 😂😂
Silence, absolutely batshit noisy minority’s
the issue is, the vote was for, testing the new changes, or don't bother with it
most people took it as, implementation of APHE changes or not
Thought the vote was specified only as to test it and they even said it isn’t a vote
Guys, you have to check over what they typed.
They said that this was a vote to test it in game.
People voted no. That vote was a vote if Gaijin should make it available for people to test the mechanic.
The lines above the vote said they *are* going to implement it in the future.
They had their minds set on this change, but the wording was super poor.
I would have added fuse integrity instead of this. Simulations show that if the shell barely makes it through the fuse that explodes it is usually damaged
Gaijin should NEVER ask if they should test something to the community….
Just test it, post the results, and let the players have a voice THEN.
Oh no. They're testing something. How horrible
How close was the vote? If it was pretty even split with a bias to ‘no’ then I don’t see the harm in just testing it for a couple days
Gaijin once again telling there community that "we really don't care if you don't want it you're going to get it anyway". Pretty sure the community is going to riot again and gaijin will take a step back only to sneakily put it into the game a little at a time.
I want this change.
0:48 Why are you obsessed with the 50% mark? It's not a vote but a poll to see if people have interest, as you said yourself. And you can clearly see a lot of people were interested.
yeah I'm all for hating on gaijin but this whole thing seems reasonable to me.
Yea, and also it was an underwhelming majority for no, so it's really just them doing it because they wanted to change their game a little
@@Gracefulwarrior2124 yeah less then3% diffrence is kinda just
Its basicly 50 50
@@Gracefulwarrior2124No, remember that War Thunder is a realistic game and if there is a 50/50 split community and Gaijin has to make a decision they will always chose realism
@@Maverick966 Thats basically what I said
they probably wanted to see how many people wanted the change before the test and data, they just didn't word it correctly
Playerbase's fault because after almlst 13 years you still believe gaijin counts on us for anything.
God forbid Gaijin actually fixing a mechanic thats closer to reality.
@@kerotomas1"Reality" as if spalling disappears instantly in real life.
@@kerotomas1 realism is when i get a new gun barrel in 20 seconds
@@streetfighter2471 Yes but APHE isn't the nuke an entire crew with spalling in all directions kind of shell, it explodes more in a cone due to the shell's travel path. Case in point, there were Sherman Crews that survived getting hit by a Tiger's APHE round, of course it was mostly just 2 or so crew members that got out as the others were in the forever sleep, but it wasn't the instant-kill all round it is in-game and honestly it shouldn't be because it outshines literally every round in the game that isn't a dart.
@@kerotomas1 HVAP/APCR says hi
What is your geniuine oppinon on the new APHE? All I can see is a massive nerf and more RNG in killing enemies. Heavy tanks overall will be much stronger and tanks in downtiers will be super strong or rather the uptiered tanks that use APHE with lower pen eill be borderline useless even when flanking.
I belive the next vote will be overwhelmingly NO for this change.
I would say yes because it would make the shell realistic instead of a literal bomb that explodes in your tank
German buff, + russian mid tier buff.
@@T95man Realistic ? What a joke
@@nettopicko7652 the bomb that goes off in the tank is unrealistic
@@T95man game itself is far from realistic. You know what im saying so dont use that excuse. also every shell thats penetrating the tank is bomb for crew .
BVVD finally shows his true colors, literally 1984...
It’s not that deep bro
He is Russian, you know how Russians "vote"
I finally understood it, after so much grind torture, finally... I love Gaijin entertainment
I feel like this will cause such a massive unbalance in the whole game if they add it without previous vehicle adjusting
People think it's going to make there heavy tanks invincible and it might for the first few weeks and then when there heavy tanks start doing well there br's will be raised and they will be useless again.
@@FoxKaiHeavy tanks aren't even that resistant in the game, a few shots and they're already disabled or dead, and another thing, CAS.
the new APHE round still nukes entire crew so it don't even matter
They shouldve just launched the test without making a poll for it. It's a test, after all, it will only get to the live game if the test shows positive results, so it makes no sense to make a poll on if they should release the test or no
Smoke and mirrors as usual
Honestly they could just fix most of these problems by just buffing standard AP to a more historical state. Better angled performance, better flat pen, and a damage buff would all be massively helpful and would make the APHE changes less of a bitter pill to a lot of people.
Step 1:
"Here's a vote for whether or not we will do this expensive thing."
Step 2:
"The vote has concluded that the majority do not want us to do the expensive thing."
Step 3:
"We are going to do the expensive thing anyway, meaning it must not have been that expensive in the first place."
Prospective Step 4:
"This was very expensive for us to do, so it will now remain for an indeterminate amount of time."
Majority being less then 3% in this case
It was a vote to just test it not add it to the game… man the drama is real
@@kerotomas1 as per gaijin "we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested"
Its not like it was hidden
They’ll do anything to not make new game modes
@@nikolaideianov5092 Yeah tiny majority should be irrelevant as opinions can quickly change. Like brexit, a 2% majority voted them out now 60% of voters would want to rejoin the eu lmao
These aphe changes are unnecessary, the people who wanted it are newer or lower skill level players looking for an excuse to cope about how bad they are at the game, if aphe was such an op round as they claimed why are the people saying this change was needed have awful service records in their tanks?
They should just revert those make believe calculations they added back in 2019 that changed all the pen values and made aphe way to strong and stop making maps so small and just streets with no flanks so heavy tanks can take advantage of their armor at range and cannons that are great at range like the tigers.
Gaijin also has a history off over nerfing things just look at the current state of hesh and sabot
no? most people who didnt want the change suck, aphe is broken, please tell me how someone in something like a tortiose is meant to do when a tiger can kill half the crew from a coupla shot? APHE is by far the best performing round in the game
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 well you see your tortoise can pen the front plate of a tiger across the entire map so you really must suck at the game if you can't pull that off where that poor tiger has to aim for a tiny machine gun turret on the top of your tank.
Like my comment said and you are now proving only bad players want this change, like you who cant kill tigers in a tortoise with 90mm AP.
You just want a tank that's invincible where you don't have to think and can just hold down W and never die and point and click and kill things instead of learning to play the damn game.
@@FoxKai it was an example of a tank at 5.3 being able to basically ignore all the armour on a heavy tank at 6.7, I could of used the T34 instead if you want
There's no way to protect your coupla on most tanks so there's no point playing heavy tanks, how is that balanced
Also a few other things, what if its a 1v2, you are reloading, ect
At higher tiers without aphe you can play around your tank strengths in armour or speed, being 1 shot in a heavy tank isn't fun. 7.7-11.7 is much more fun for countries like France and Britian
@@datcheesecakeboi6745 Tiger is not 5.3.
and again the same thing stand for the T34 American heavy fires AP which can pen the front of tiger from across the map where the tiger 1 needs to get a shot on your lower plate or mg port which you can easily hide, in fact that's even easier to hid than the tortoise MG.
Also since responding I played the tortoise to prove my point that you suck.
ruclips.net/channel/UCH0zM9a_0BjoFFuC_2B_rygcommunity?lb=Ugkxj6sMX_x6hHK-1ESPN2e4jl7uzUR6CI3z
9 kills 0 deaths almost a nuke up tiered against Germany.
Again you just want a tank that's invincible that one shots everything as you refuse to drive tanks correctly.
Also higher tiers are just as bad, there is no skill or playing to tanks strengths you just get one shot by heatfs or apfsds through the front so what's the difference between that and someone aiming for a small weak spot and using aphe to one shot you?
@@FoxKai
1. By T34 I'm talking about the Russian tank, which can pen the coupla of the tortoise easily and kill half the crew
2. You say I have a skill issue then say your more likely to be one shot? Do you not play any post ww2 vehicles? Because uh.. I very very rarely get 1 shot at 7.7+ but everything below that? I get 1 shot all the time aside from when I play a heavy tank but even then its like 2 shots at most before death (with exceptions like the Tiger E and Churchill 7)
And again at higher brs its more balanced? Slow moving tanks like the Chieftan mk10 or challenger 2 for example can go Hull down and snipe,, while stuff like a leopard 1 and Centuro can flank while requiring knowledge on tanks they face and good aim, at lower brs you can kill nearly all tanks with a coupla shot, at top tier frontal shots rarely 1 shot Mbts, and side shots only 1 shot if you know specifically were to aim
It's much much more balanced then Germany, US and the Soviets curbstomping all smaller nations
Problem is, that gaijin said, that there will be some changes in APHE anyway, it was writen in post with ability to vote
What's most disappointing to me are the monkies cheering this on, just because they 'won'. I wouldn't even mind if Gaijin had simply gone ahead with testing without asking, but holding a vote and then ignoring the result is just vile.
I reckon they started development for the APHE changes, then introduced the idea to the community, thereafter held the vote so they didn't want to waste the resources so they're putting it through anyways
gaijins decision making makes zero sense, like do they think that if a presidential candidate won just by a single vote that they should give the other guy a chance? no, ofcourse not, the better guy just wins and thats how it should be, id say gaijin is trying to make another revolt again
Umm ruzzia...
@@european_legends they are Russian. They don’t care about votes and people opinions.
@@leonleeoff2216Take your pills dawg
EVERY ONE STOP PLAYING WT FOR 1 MONTH JUST LIKE WHAT WE DO IN 2023!!!
As a business I believe they tried to gauge thoughts on it. Clearly enough people supported the idea to the point where they aren't going to ignore them. That being said their whole making a vote for it was idiotic.
it was a poll and not a vote, and it was basically 50/50. so half of the people who spoke want change. I can see why they did this. they simply wanted to know if enough people want the change, and that is true. I am all for it
@@NekoAngelGamingNAG if your president is elected by 49.7% of votes, when the opposant is 50.3% of votes, who would you get ? First or second ?
Don’t try to defend them, it was not 50/50. A majority still was found. And it was no. PERIOD.
I never took those votes to be actual decisions making votes, just a way for them to get feedback, an idea of the popularity of the thing and also legitimacy when it goes in their way
"we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested"
100%
Im pretty sure that they just wanted enough yeses to actually make an effort and then decide with the next vote. It would be a complete waste to even test if no one wanted it.
I'm in favour of this change and I say that as someone who's been enjoying the one-shot dumbassery of 88mm APHE.
for me, I would like aphe to change(tbf, I would like any ammo type to be change if they have more info about how it really work or just for balancing the ammo) idk, maybe I just interesting in new mechanic, new way to destroy enemy tank. I'm kind of ppl who like learning new mechanics over and over. I will 100% try it if I ever have a chance to test it. you know, between the picture and text telling how it work and playing/doing it yourself is different experience.
But I 100% agree on you, Gaijin should just tell us they want to change it and let ppl test it in test-server. then asking ppl would they like it or not, what would they can improve it or make it better with this change. it would be better dicision for communicating with player.
I would like it because it would make the shell realistic and not a 500 lb bomb that explodes in your tank
@@T95man It would be realistic if your crew bailed out after getting a penetrating side shot and a liquified commander + gunner. Bet you wouldn't like it though.
@@trueweapon2349 well I also don’t like an arcade style game. Hence why I play war thunder and not world of tanks
@@T95man Same for me but I think WOT would be good for you. You can afk park like you always wanted to, now tanks wont immediately die when a penetrating side shot happens and it will be inconsistent thanks to people like you.
@@trueweapon2349 whatever
Players say no, devs do it anyway.
As a Helldivers 2 player this is all too familiar.
Or you either have a WoT problem where the majority of braindead players vote for OP changes ruining the balance of the game,
I guess maybe I viewed this differently than most. I was watching Tom (Oxy) on the WT stream and the way he explained it, was what people were voting on was how much resources and how soon the changes were going to come to the game. It sounded like the decision had been made, just what priority it was going to be executed.
The vote was an INTEREST poll among players: "preparing this testing will require some significant time from the development team, so today we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested in switching to a more detailed damage model for APHE shells." "If you’re interested in testing, we’ll start preparing it and will host another voting on this change based on its results." The vote was close to 50%/50%, which for Gaijin is a good indicator of community interest, and it’s NOT a definitive implementation vote. In fact, it’s a more realistic implementation (which is what you wanted, isn’t it?). I don’t see what the problem is-it won’t be good or bad, just different. Stop being so superficial about these issues. Gaijin has been listening to players a lot more over the past five years. Take that into consideration.
The point of the vote was not to be Democratic in nature, but rather to see if the community would have interest in a phe changes. Gaijin likes to push for realism, that's what war thunder is All about, that's why they patented the volumetric shell system for their games, If the vote was 40 - 60 in favor of no aphe changes, they probably would be doing the same thing that they are doing now. The point of the poll was to see if there is a portion of the community that is in favor of the changes. It is to see if the community absolutely 100% dislikes the idea, that way they can avoid those decisions. But when it comes to decisions like this, they are the ones who make the final call, especially when the community is divided on it. If the community is divided on it, they will always lean towards the side of realism.
Realism?! Lol! That's why tanks can one shot kill tanks that they could never in real life?! That's why we have WW2 against Cold War?!
I vividly remember voting and it being an extreme majority yes, like 67% yes to 33% no. can't go back to the poll to check though sadly
Players didn't vote "no", it favored implementation and I personally want to see if they will make it work or if they will more likely botch it like usual.
Personally I really don’t want this added. I like the way it is, and they should not mess with it. Even as a British main I don’t want it changed
Should never have gone through. Gaijin just devalued and spoiled every vote going forward. The players said no and Gaijin said fuck you guys anyways. They even came out later and said they’d honor a 51 next vote, like bullshit. How do we trust you.
I think realistic stuff is still alright. At least gives a second chance for the enemy to fight back. Or the cupola shots wouldn't be unfair in the realistic scenario. Let them test it.
Even better, i vote NO for stopping RNG, but i really like the concept of APHE post explode damage and samiliar fragmentation as AP.
How are people surprised by this. Gaijin does it all the time. They said there wouldn't be top tier premium vehicles! Oh wait...
Show me a 13.7 premium aircraft or 12.7 premium tank
@@treyfloyd6003They said they wouldn’t have top tier premiums before premium jets were added
@@treyfloyd6003 If you think that the F-20 which is Rank 8 or that any 11.3 premium tank isn't a top tier vehicle then you are as stupid and biased as almost any other War Thunder player that sh*ts out the same nonsense as you. People like you are the reason why the game is suffering.
Well thats the difference between listening anf hearing the complaints... they heard it
I will give them some leeway because it was a very close vote.
If it wasn't so close i wouldn't be happy.
I see no problem for them to add this on the test server, so player can actually understand how the system will work
These aphe changes aren’t even that bad I don’t understand why people are getting mad. Yes people you actually have to flank now instead of nuking the coupla
Thinking the player base has a choice is so funny...
Either like what we do or feck off.
Gaijin do not give a feck about you.
APHE is to blame for A LOT of poor balance. Toning down the spall will allow vehicles that are way over BR'd to come down, or be less ridiculous. Example: Early Russian 85mm tractors. The IS-1 will be able to come down if it isn't firing a one-hit-nuke anymore.
there shouldn't have been a vote honestly, i'm with gaijin on this one.
Realism has always been a major point of balancing and fixing how these shells by-in-large perform realistically just makes sense.
people don't want the APHE changes because they're scared of change. I think it'll be a good thing and I don't want to miss out on it
This wasn't a bad thing. They told you it was going to be tested and they ultimately have the final decision. I say put all the APHE changes into the game. Change is good if you don't like it go play the other tank game they'll make the game easier for you hold your hand not listen to you and scam you for more money.
Ironic. Get your mouth off gaijins balls.
Not every vote is a straight majority vote, this was clearly to see if there was enough interest in the feature to warrant testing it, it probably would've been tested at 20% or more yes votes. Your view of votes is clouded by politics, 50%+ isn't the goal and never was.
I would have liked the changes because it would make the game more realistic. Instead of having a shell act like a 500lb bomb it will act like an aphe shell
If War Thunder is a realistic game then it should be realistic regardless of what community votes
Exactly, these APHE users are probably just pissed their omnidirectional nuke rounds are finally getting balanced.
Realistic game
Repairing track in 30 seconds
You guys really morons, arent you?
It's funny how Gaijin said significant dev time would be needed so the vote was whether to develop the test, but it was ready to test as soon as the poll ended lmao. For APHE enjoyers this buff is wonderful. Well worth losing the cupola weak spot.
I think they were just expecting a landslide of yes votes so the changes could be shown as widely wanted by the community.
Did you see the vote count from all servers and all Nations?
Players : no youre not suposed to ad the aphe to the game 😢
The Snail : How about i do aniway
49% of players:"do the test"
Gaijin on the poll post:"we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested"
You don’t understand TEC, this is just Russian democracy
Gaijin: so here are some changes that might change the entire playstyle for a lot of changes but because it is so big you guys can vote.” Also gaijin when players say no: Okay eeeh, so we changed it anyways.
If this comes through, we need br compression for ground battles for sure
I dont understand, why are you upset about it? They mentioned that they might roll out the changes to the Dev server anyways because the vote was close. I think its a good thing they decided to do so, atleast now you can get a picture of how the change is going to affect the game before you vote on it.
♬ Told ya sooo....♬
stop whining. Realism is good in this case
Leaving everything to votes in order to avoid backlash from that one time they messed up was a HUGE mistake. Imagine if Monster hunter devs were polling people on how to develop their game, and what features or what monsters to add... lmao.
If the vision of the devs was to add the new type of APHE fragmentation then just fucking do it.
good, they should not ask the ppl to make tests
It was more to check if people are interested
If they got like 80% saying no then it wouldnt have happend
As per gaijin"we want to collect your opinions on whether you’re interested"
Even the vote got gaijined
This is how voting been done in Russian for the past 100 years.
Definitely needed , I say YES
I havent tried the new shells but if what i see from other videos, shorts and such this change would cause a disaster through the entire game. Tanks like the kv 1 and 2, tigers etc would become literal gods and would destroy the "balancing" that took gaijin years to get down properly.
Im not against changes but imo nothing good would come out of this if this gets to live.
In typical russian style...
Yeah
Russia does have a lot of voter manipulation
Gaijin was 100% correct to ignore the brigading against this change by Russian content creators (whose sole concern was making sure Russian APHE remains strong).
The way I see it, the vote was technically a loss, but it wasnt an overwhelming loss. You should also consider the fact that a lot of people who voted no didnt realize it was only for testing.
At least in my country, our government needs 2/3 of votes to go through with lots of major decisions, which is actually a pretty good way to go through with things.
There was also the fact that Gaijin said they'd be able to tell if the vote was being manipulated, and act accordingly.
@@RedXlV wich could be the case mainly because there was a vocal part of CC who voted no and moved their mob to vote the same
"Players voted NO"
You mean 55% voted no?
51.4% I think?
@@therealwildboar1007 Oh it was even closer than I thought lol, I was just going off the top of my head
woah woah woah does this make the usa T30 shell more or less powerful?? its a 155mm cannon apbc
Not an illusion when they tell you the vote doesn't matter
Its dumb to say no to a test vote. Its a test, vote if you like it or not after the test. And im pretty sure theu said it didn't matter if it was voted no or not because they wanted to make it more realistic. Your videos have gone way downhill the past year or so. I used to agree with alot of the stuff you say, but now its just garage opinions that half the time dont make since.
I wont lie i might be wrong about them saying they wanted to do the test regardless of votes but im like 90% sure they did
Think of the vote as a poll instead because thats what it was, just feeback to see how the community feels
I went to go look and they did say that part of the changes would be tested regardless of vote.... so stop crying
I voted yes for the test
Tests were gonna happen either way, the vote was simply to gauge interest.
i kinda wish they tested it first, then made a vote whether to keep it in the game or not from DEV servers and maybe even live servers to further test it, though idk why they decided to do the votes first, seems kinda odd
The interesting thing is that gajin probably sees this whole thing as a success. Since changing the aphe will take work even for a test and they dont want to waste work time if no one less than (25%) are interested. This whole argument just proves the flaws of the community surrounding warthunder and how badly the communication between devs and the community is.
It was stupid to vote against a test anyways. You should at least try the damn changes before voting no.
Sad but not surprised they do this with everything especially vehicle balancing they pick what errors and faults , 'fixez' they want . Not what's right or wanted
The diffrence in the vote was less then 3%
A lot of players want it
@@nikolaideianov5092The difference could be one vote. The majority of players don't want it, be it 1 % or 3 or just 10 people over 50%
@@UncleMisu and from dosens to hundreds want it
Considering what gaijin has said in the innisual post
I think it was just to check if large majority (80%) didnt want it
And its still a test
Also aphe is getting a buff with or with out votes
@@nikolaideianov5092 i don't care about the fucking aphe they could make it to do no damage on anything. I have everything in game i only play top tier i literally don't care about the changes.
I care that the vote is respected and they stop trying to look busy by remodeling unimportant shit when they have much more important things to fix... Like the BR's or the fucking economy of the game
@@UncleMisu i feel sorry for you
Understand puting thinks to test so people can actually try and then vote but Gaijin should took the L on this one and respect the pools vote.
Now it will feel that it's all gaijins decision with no true account for what players say.
Didn't they always say that part of the changes were gonna be tested regardless of the vote? I think the vote was just over the splitter patterns basically.
If I was gijin I would have forced this on us too. Want to play this game for some sort a realism
Based, thank you Gaijin.
maybe they could fix VOLUMETRIC FIRST (yes im a 122 enjoyer how did you know)
Tbf:
1: A Russian CC urged his entire community to vote no
2: A lot of people thought the vote was for implementing it, not testing it.
3: within 2 hrs, the vote went from 70-30 to 50-50. Sus if you ask me.
Does it really matter? 5:45 Many CC’s (including TEC) publicly supported yes so it goes both ways.
@@randompillow5146 they supported yes, but they didn’t call on their community to go and vote no. They’re allowed to have their opinions, but this creator purposely attempted to sway his fanbase into voting said way. A perfect example of how to show support but leave it up to the individual is how OddBawz covered it.
@@bendawg8-wi4dr Yes they did.
@@trueweapon2349 Prove me wrong then, where did you see a content creator call on all of their fanbase to vote no?
Good thing he and other Russian CC called our community to vote “no”. We are simple people. We want to play major nations and using some skill and luck we want our enemies to go BOOOOM. APHE is critical component of that recipe. We love CQC maps, we don’t like “HUGE FIELDS OF THE FIELDS” or GREAT SANDS OF THE RED DUNES” maps. We like our game to be about action, active movement and good kills. We think game has enough other issues to fix. APHE is the most stable and consistent shell in terms of performance. There is no need to brake something that works. Audio is awful, volumetric shells are awful (trust me we don’t like when a T-34 bounces of a Tiger/Panther shot at point blank).
We would rather have the snail buff other type of ammunition like HESH, HEAT and I don’t remember how you call early game “sabot”.
It was never a vote to vote whether we wanted it or not. It was simply to see if we wanted more testing before it'd be implemented.
Wasn't the vote botted last minute?
Ig the vote was only for testing on the live server? Clearly they already put the effort in for the changes and want them to go through. The way they did this was silly though, either dont have a vote or make it incredibly explicit what the voting is for if its going to be a complicated mechanic change like this. Most who voted didnt even know they were voting for the testing of the change, they thought they were voting to make the change straight away
Except in agile you pivot and sometimes dev effort will go back to backlog or move to Done.
I voted yes to test it, but that doesn't matter because the vote was no, they shouldn't have tested it if the vote to test it was no
If a larger amount of people say no then its F*ing NO