Djokovic Defeated by Alcaraz in 5-Set Wimbledon Final | Three Ep. 138
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2023
- In a sparkling Wimbledon final that went five sets and lasted nearly five hours, Carlos Alcaraz has ended Novak Djokovic’s four-year reign at the All England Club. How did that happen? Does Alcaraz’s victory indeed represent a changing of the guard in men’s tennis? These and many more questions will be addressed by Gill, Amy, and Joel on the latest edition of “Three - The Tennis Show.”
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Three is a show about Roger Federer, Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. These competitively dominant tennis icons have been a lifeline to millions of fans around the world. We look to tell their stories through discussions of tennis history, tactics, psychology, technique and more.
California-based Joel Drucker has been writing about tennis for nearly 40 years, his work appearing in such outlets as Tennis Channel, Tennis.com, Racquet and a host of general interest media, including the New York Times, HBO, CBS, Cigar Aficionado, Men's Journal and People Magazine. Author of the book, "Jimmy Connors Saved My Life," Joel is also a historian-at-large for the International Tennis Hall of Fame.
Amy Lundy is a reporter whose work has been featured on ESPN, CNN and The Golf Channel. She is Director of Films at The Tennis Congress.
Gill Gross is the host of Monday Match Analysis. His weekly RUclips show, which analyzes ATP matches and news, has amassed over 5,000 subscribers.
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I loved when Joel tried reaaaally hard not to laugh when Amy said about the tie break loss "he is just a human". Gold!
Amy Lundy of all 3 presenters, can do more as journalist to be balanced about big 3. At the end of the day, it’s about appreciating tennis not individuals
What time stamp is it ?
@@tahirshamim1364maybe but I'm a djokovic fan so I aporiciate him more then tennis right now
@@Southpaw101perfect analysis
Joel’s poetic flow (his comments about wimbledon being a spiritual mecca), Amy’s stats and insights on point as usual, Gil with the awesome strategic mind…great video, amazing match, great day to be tennis fan. I wish you guys would do just one super long episode like two hours, would make my freaking day.
Saw Alcaraz play Nadal at Indian Wells last year, so nothing he does surprises me, as he is clearly not wired like the others. It was great to see him fight his way through the final and get his hands on that trophy. And now thanks to Gil, I'll forevermore have the image of Oprah also handing out major trophies to Tsitsipas, Rune, Berrettini, Zverev, Rudd, etc.
As far as learning, my thought earlier today was that Alcaraz won in part because instead of getting his head down after first set, he took it as a *learning lesson* and adapted. And that's one reason why he's so great already.
You're exactly right that even he lost a humiliating first set it didn't affect his motivation that he still believe he can turn it around as he believes in himself.
I agree. And even though he had that embarrassing cramping incident the last time he played Novak, Carlos made sure it never happened again and came back strong. He has the attitude and aptitude to learn swiftly from his mistakes and apply the lesson almost immediately. It's kind of astounding.
He was helped significantly by Novak.
Djokovic played some of the worst strokes and decision making in the second set I’ve seen for over 10 years.
He essentially tanked the 3rd set and was essentially on the ropes for the rest of the match.
Mentally Djokovic was frail and all over the place. It’s a miracle this match went to 5 sets as novak was cooked after the 3rd.
Alcaraz achieved the labor of Hercules, here. He is constantly improving, as well. His coach, Ferrrero, has done a great job. Alcaraz, is going to be something, special.
I was desperately pulling for Alcaraz and then felt a strange sadness seeing the great Novak Djokovic defeated. It took such a monstrous performance for the young lion to defeat the older lion.
Your lion reference is apt. That’s what I felt, a new young lion taking on with an older warrior lion.
In my eyes it was like a passing of the torch moment. It was bound to happen at some point and only Alcaraz has proven himself up to that challenge. Obviously Novak is not done and he will keep going, but Alcaraz will from now on always be his biggest obstacle aside from a healthy Nadal.
I very much relate to that sadness. Seeing him borderline apologize to his son for losing broke me.
A lot of that may have to do with Djokovic's post-match remarks, which were very impressive. Compare them to the post-game comments of most other athletes--there's just no comparison.
@@bonzwah1 Djokovic is a deep thinker and can say some pretty profound things when the moment calls for it. Yes, that was a touching moment at the end of the match during the on court interview. He very much put things in perspective there.
The 2009 US Open final comparison was fair. I would say this felt more like the 2008 Wimbledon final because Alcaraz feels like he's at the helm of men's tennis and Novak is still very much there with him. It's also Alcaraz's second slam tournament victory (just like Nadal winning his first non RG slam in 2008) and he stopped the four-time defending champion (Federer was 5-time in 2008).
Comparing this final to 2008 final is an insult to Tennis.
I would say comparing the occasion itself and impact of the outcome is fair. 2008 final quality for me was undoubtedly better.
Rafa won 4 FO before his first WO, mate.
@@jerryjessup9192well ,he edited his post. Now it’s unambiguous .
Federer lost 3:0 in AO SF against Djokovic, lost RG final in demolition fashion. It was his weak season. Today, Djokovic's serve was off only 2 ACES in 5 sets. Also his bh gave him away in tb of second set
I love the roles between you guys: Joel employing the historical perspective, Amy focusing on the stats, Gill the host etc etc... great discussion!!
I'm a Nole fan. And I'd be the first to admit that Novak fans are salty. Stop making excuses like 'Novak played badly'. That's irrelevant. This is a grand slam final, and Novak was beaten fair and square, although most pundits backed him to win. Like Nadal says ... there is no 'if' in tennis.
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
They will obviously say he played badly even when he makes only a couple of unforced errors. When you consider someone as Demigod and alien and out of this earth and you worship them blindly it's bound to happen. Right now they are in disbelief stage, in time they will reach grief stage and then finally acceptance 😂
Yes, and credit to Novak in his hug at the end, speech and presser. You can tell he is also a Carlos fan, even if he is a rival!
Amazing show you three:). Always a pleasure listening you dissect:).
Great win for Carlitos. This was a big moment in tennis today.
It's still gives me goosebumps listening to podcasts and reactions that what Alcaraz have done. Amazing🎉
As soon as they said it was windy at Wimbledon today, I knew that it was going to favor Alcaraz. Plus, the grass seemed to be playing even slower this year. So many matches with multiple 20-30 shot rallies. I’m not sure if I’ve seen that before, even with the modern grass. One of the things that helped Carlos mentally at Wimbledon vs RG was that at RG, he was the favorite, while at Wimbledon, it was Novak. Knowing that he was the underdog I think helped him today, as probably he felt less pressure than he had at RG. Going into the U.S., he’ll probably be the favorite to defend his title, so it’ll be interesting to see if he can handle that pressure, though I’m sure this win would help. Djokovic showed today that he isn’t a robot and that he does have fragility, interestingly almost always when he’s trying to go ahead or get some really rare records. However, he’s not yet done folks. Count him out at your own peril. This match came down to a couple of points and could have gone either way. I think Djokovic will be fully motivated to take on the challenge of Alacaraz for as long as possible.
All excellent points.
true, somewhat like a Medvdev - Djokovic rivarly in terms of GS. but it is concerning to see Novak choke on big points, that second set tiebreak and the breakpoint chance in the fifth with the easy play-in volley.. catastrophic.
@@slXD100 yes, i know, i'm still in pain ... :( it was a difficult match to watch, disappointing from early/mid 2nd set on.
Your point about the windiness is invalid. Almost always the more aggressive player suffers more in the wind than the more passive/defensive player because they go for the lines, and when you for the lines inches can be the difference (which the wind affects) if anything, the wind hurt Carlos.
@@iannovak5223 no, Carlos loves to play with wind and even prepares himself many times by praciticing in Austria where it's windy, but the wind had no impact today.
Joel made two great points about what made Alcaraz so effective today.
First, Alcaraz can create pressure with what Joel called forward movement, what I would call vertical pressure, particularly with drop shots and coming to the net. That’s different from the pressure the other top players can apply.
Second, Alcaraz makes doubt a weapon, because of the variety of options he has.
Three very smart people
Biggest thing I was excited about was Alcaraz not wilting after the 1st set - especially following what happened at the French. Instead of boohooing he sucked it up and righted the ship and came back
Key point that these 3 above ignored. Instead they want to suggest that Novak was uncharacteristicly off ... nonsense
@@adrianonline69he was.
And these guys haven’t done that, in fact they’re inflating Carlos performance and ignoring a lot of Novak’s inexplicable mental collapse.
After he blew the second set he went completely off the reservation and basically tanked the 3rd set.
It was a miracle he took the match to sets, the 4th set could have got away in a hurry.
@@danielc7131 because Carlos was beating him both in offence ( serve /winners) and defence (returning everything) so it is obvious that Novak would start over playing ... the cause for his being "off' was Carlos Alcaraz.
@@adrianonline69 Exactly. Every stat bears this out. In fact Watson AI had predicted that Alcaraz was 10% more likely to win and in no small part due to his return game throughout the tournament. I was surprised to read this but it was true after all.
@@danielc7131 Tell Watson AI (Alcaraz has a greater chance to win 10%). For good reasons
I love this channel, never more than today. The rapport among the three of you is equal to the knowledge each of you brings to the discussion. Without taking anything away from anyone’s religious convictions, you touch upon the spiritual element of tennis at the highest level about 20 minutes in. Bravos all around!
True, one of the saddest things about Nadal and Djokovic retiring will be (I assume) the dissolution of this show. I hope they find some way to keep it going though, even if they just got together once a week and talked about all the tennis results/headlines that week I'd tune in every week for sure
@@ianrobinson4200 but the next Big 3 may be Alcaraz, Rune and Sinner.
@@danicadabic9789 I hope so, I'm a big fan of Carlos but it will be more fun if he has rivals who beat him some of the time in big matches
@@danicadabic9789 I don't think there will be another Big Three. I mean, what are the chances that the three guys will so convincingly dominate all the others? If Sinner and Rune (and others) don't significantly raise their game, I'm afraid Alcaraz will hog all the trophies. (Nadal might not even come back, and the question is how long can Novak play more)
@@yanair2091Novak and Nadal came 4 years after Federer started dominating. People don’t understand timescales.
Great watch as always! I liked how the 'philosophical' element was touched upon with Carlos saying this was going to be the best day of his life and Novak crying after seeing his son. Statistics + Tactics + Mental side + Philosophical side = Complete Analysis :)
Thanks, Amy, for acknowledging us Novak fans. I’ve played tennis my whole life and I’m 76 years old now and still playing. And I’ve never followed, loved or respected a professional tennis player as I have Novak, both for the tennis, and for the kind of human being he is. This one was a tough loss for a couple of reasons. One, after the way he played in the fourth set, I really thought that he would win it as he so often has in the past. But Carlos was so mature and that last game of the fifth set was amazing. And the other reason is that Novak is closer to the end of his career than not. I love watching him play, and there’s lots of good stuff to come from him. Thank you all for this wonderful commentary and analysis that you’ve been doing. I’ve turned a lot of people onto you guys. And Gill’s own analyses. There is no better out there. You’re the best.🎾❤️
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
AND SHE IS A HUGE FAN OF DJOVIC AND SHE IS ALWAYS PARTIAL TO DJOKOVIC.
@@pintoacr3800 You guys never let up, do you?
@@rosaliewright4226 RAQUET BREAKING, SHOUTING AT PEOPLE. HITTING PEOPLE WITH BALLS AND CHEATING A WHOLE COUNTRY(AUSTRALIA), and cheating with injuries to win matches. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BEST TENNIS PLAYER EVER HERE. I LIKE DJOKOVID'S TENNIS BUT HE IS NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO REPRESENT A SPORT WHICH IS GENTLEMEN SPORT.
NO ONE HATES DJOKOVID , HE MAKES PEOPLE HATE HIM BY DOING THIS :
@@rosaliewright4226 You should listen to a podcast with Amy and Steve flink. There will be plenty of confirmation bias if that's what you want to hear. Novak is a fantastic tennis player and in many ways a gracious loser after the match (except 1/2 matches), but the toxicity of many of his fans is why his achievements are not always acknowledged, though the stats speak for themselves and he is the best player of his generation, but Carlos was better on the day and deserved to win. Pure and simple.
Novak played a very strange match to me. I was extremely disappointed in the 2nd set when he shifted from attacking Carlos to giving him easy, soft balls and waiting for him to miss. I was yelling at the TV when I started seeing that. And then, while it was surprising to see the errors, the tiebreak just became an extension of that in my eyes. Instead of clamping down and going hard, he tried to "play safe" and hit the net instead. I was thinking of Gill and his MMA takes and thinking Novak had a horrible strategy in 2nd set because the only way to really beat Alcaraz is to go at him full force.
Then Djokovic went into La La Land, which was just weird.
But, I fully agree with the takes Joel and Amy offered at about 13:30 or something - that Alcaraz is so unpredictable, which makes him very difficult to play, and I think threw Novak off; and that he was playing much smarter and choosing when to unleash and when not to (I said something similar to some friends in 5th set). Carlos plays very smart, and I think that's one of his strengths most overlooked. He knows in the heat of the point when to play it safe, when to unleash, when to catch the other guy off-guard with an atypical shot, etc.
I think Djokovic could have won the match if he had just had a more aggressive strategy in the 2nd set. But it is what it is - he left the door open, and Alcaraz ran through it with his shoulder dropped and at full force.
I'm disappointed in Novak, but nothing to take away from Carlos here.
And, perhaps most important of all was that it was in the legs. Carlos ran a little more and won by a tight margin.
Look in sport especially in tennis disappointments always come sooner or later .. One can discuss tactics analytics etc at the end of the day it wasn't for Nole to win. He was very close but he didn't win keep in mind that when he's winning matches he wins by a small margin too. Up until this defeat I was a fan of Nole of tennis but not from now on no. A good advice is not to be or become fan of sport in general of anyone in sport or entertainment in general It always brings disappointment/s at some point. Useless and disappointing.
The wind was more bigger issue for Novak than for Carlitos congrats to his fan
He missed the drive volley in the 5th to go up 2-0. It was windy but no excuse. Then got broken in the next game, which proved to be the difference for the match.
@@Peace123-sp1ejwhat about Carlos incredible backhand return at 7-6 in the breaker?
@@z1az285 That was a pretty weak and short serve by Novak. Carlos will kill it all day. TBF, Novak had 6-5 lead before that and hit a uncharacteristic backhand into the net; then 6-6 another bad backhand.
Great job from Alcaraz. I think the biggest key was Djokovic blowing that break point put away early in the fifth set then Alcaraz breaking Djokovic in the very next game. Djokovic just couldn’t recover from that
And the set point Djokovic had in the tiebreak, those were 2 bog chances he had and he choked.
@@tehatte yes definitely. Djokovic had done to him what he usually does to others. But he has himself to blame. Two horrendous errors in the second set tie break in set point for him and an atrocious miss on an east out away on break point early 5th set decided this match.
You guys speak as if Alcaraz didn't have any break points which if he had taken the match could have gone his way faster
@@brazhnervnix3844True. the kid had like how many break points opportunity ? 20? maybe even more
@@brazhnervnix3844 I didn’t say Alcaraz didn’t have his own chances, just wanted to point out key moments that would have turned the match around. Alcaraz won so we don’t need to point out his key moments.
Leg strength: Bjorn Borg had it. I remember a narrator once remarking during Bjorn's five win run at Wimbledon that he had the most athletic legs of all the world's athletes. Carlos definitely has it.
That’s the best example that you can be great on clay and grass
Borg was a physical freak. People forget he won the French Wimbledon double THREE times in a row in much slower conditions at the French (wood frame, heavier balls) where 15-20 shot rallies per point were routine and on lower bouncing grass with faster white tennis balls at Wimbledon (5 times in a row). Even today it has not been matched. Only Rafa did it twice, Federer and Novak once and that too in homogenized conditions (faster on clay, slower on grass). Roger called him "the king" for very good reasons. Carlos rewrote tennis history. He prevented Novak from matching both Federer (8 titles) and Borg / Federer (5 in a row). Also the French/Wimbledon double for a second time and a potential calender slam and the No.1 ranking as well as undisputed greatest status. This was incredibly significant. Much more than people realize.
Thank you Gill, Amy and Joel...excellent analysis :)
His serve let Novak down. In the second and the third sets his serving was disastrous. It’s a shame to have Ivanisevic as a couch and to serve like this in a Wimbledon final.
And on top of that some inexcusable backhand errors.
Alcaraz was better in the most crucial moments. And Djokovic wasn’t good enough then. Something very unusual for Novak. But overall it was an extremely close match.
Yes those crucial moments .. Novak didn't manage to win the important points .. tiebreak 2nd set and 2nd game 5th set with the break point ..
Agreed.Too many errors and terrible serving.Lack of focus on big points. Djokovic was off big time.
Ball ? u don’t give Carlos credit for his returning
@@andrijaifkovic7066Even with this big-off, Novak still managed to make it a very close match that could have gone either way. Imagine if Novak was playing his A-game today?
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
Finally the weakest era came to an end! Federer in his prime was challenged by the ATG prodigy Nadal and the golden years of tennis had been shaped, adding in the formula Djokovic, we enjoyed beautiful moments. Tennis reached maybe the glorious days. Djokovic era isn’t weak just because he has this stat padding against an older Federer or a Nadal in one foot, it was weak because there was NO prodigy to challenge the king. Every decade has its own prodigies who created the atmosphere from Borg, Becker, Sampras or Agassi, but not in the last 10 years, a immense void of new talents. Hoping for spectacular years in the near future with Alcaraz, Rune and the others who will have to come in order to gain excitement again
Whatever...after Sampras and Agassi Roger had no real tough opponents till Nadal and Djoker. Since then his GS went to a trickle.
It’s not so much that Novak is leaving the picture, more so Carlos is entering the picture. Like when Nadal and Djokovic entered the race, Federer didn’t fade away.
Amy is so right, as always. This isn't even close to over. Novak is highly motivated and prepared (just look at his path to the final, like a hot knife through butter) , Carlos is in his ascendancy and wants more big battles. That means more 🔥🔥🔥 matches between these two. I am beyond excited for the next slams!
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
AND SHE IS A HUGE FAN OF DJOVIC AND SHE IS ALWAYS PARTIAL TO DJOKOVIC.
@@pintoacr3800shut it
@@pintoacr3800I'm.a djoker fan too
@@joshuacaron5397 i know ,
FOR SOME REASON MOST OF THE DJOKIVID'S FAN'S NAME END WITH , " SUCKOVIC" , "CHEATOVIC" AND CUNNINGOVIC" . AND 90% OF HIS CUNNING FANS ARE FROM SERBIA.
I think I tend to think the opposite, this is a passing torch. If Alcaraz can beat Djokovic on a center court Wimbledon final, the most important tournament of all tennis, he will only get better, and there will be no reason that he will beat Djokovic in other slams. Plus Alcaraz will be more confident and he won’t throw sets as he did in Rg and in this Wimbledon final against Djokovic. Moreover, other next gen player will start to believe themselves that they can beat Djokovic also. This Wimbledon final in my opinion is a very crucial match and I think from now on, it will mostly be Alcaraz or the next gens that will win slams.
You could be right, but who is beating Novak in slams besides Carlos and Medvedev on hardcourt?
@@jacobschmidt2709goid comment
Rafa will keep winning rg
@@jacobschmidt2709Djokovic will be the favorite against all other next gens for sure. What I meant is that the next gens (Rune etc) will start to believe that hey, Djokovic isn’t that unbeatable in slams, and that they will start playing the big points better. Because so far Djokovic always won the big points against them.
The silly drop shot in 2nd set and terrible swing volley in final set of Novak ruined completely this match. He might have win the fifth set easily if he leading 2-0.
He didn't have his head on him today, imho. Weirdest I've seen Novak acting since the US Open he lost to Medvedev.
That pretty much summed up the match. Had Djokovic won the second tiebreak or broke in the second game of the 5th set, he likely wins the match. Tennis is indeed a game of small margins when two great players battle. Congrats to Carlos for being the better player and winning his first Wimbledon title.
The second set tierbreaker was weird. I wouldn't bother about the 5th set after the brutal 3rd and 4th sets physically.
But I am actually excited that he pushed Carlos to 5 sets even not feeling it well after the 2nd set. He will tweak his game and come back.
You could make the point that Alcaraz kinda gifted him the first and fourth sets. Mistakes were made on both sides, no reason to get hung up about any particular point.
I think being the favourite and having so much pressure did bear down and I think Novak might have also felt some intimidation. He hasn't really faced Carlos much. It's not like he knows his patterns like he did with Nadal and Federer. It's a new thing for him. I am certain he will win matches in the future against Carlos, but nonetheless a significant moment. Not yet the passing of the torch though!
Tremendous performances by Alcaraz! It's now fair to question how that French Open match would've played out if Alcaraz didn’t cramp from nerves. Methinks Novak was rather fortunate.
Agree
If and buts don't matter in sport you 🤡.
Agreed ... no way Carlos would have lost
bs...what would have happened if Djoker had not missed two easy backhands in the tie break and went to 2-0 !! no one would even think of that now!!
That's a nutty fanboy perspective. Fortunate? The guy just beat Djokovic by just two points, on a day where Djokovic's serve wasn't as great as we're used to seeing. Of course Alcaraz had something to do with that. Still, don't confuse tennis masterclass and grit with fortune. This is especially trues since one could also argue Djokovic lost momentum on his own racquet given he failed to close out the 2nd set.
No doubt Alcaraz has a beautiful future....but to call the FO fortune is just plain silly, and i try hard not to use something harsher 😂
Thanx for mixing it up and putting Amy up on r/top! What a match! NoleFanMilan feeling very good after set 1; feeling very deflated and dissapointed after set 2 tiebreaker (crushed! - better wording!) Then set 3 feeling very deflated & worried. Then feeling very hopeful & revived after set 4 and then on pins for all of set 5! Yup! Two missed backhands in set 2 were like...WTF...just happened! EPIC match. Still recovering and grieving! LOL 🙂 Will Novak come back extra motivated? Will Nole recover? If Carlitos wins USO-23, then AO-24? Now, the target and the wimbledon crown has passed to Carlos AND there's a new Wimbledon sherriff in town 🙂 Crushing crushing defeat for a NoleFan in this moment. Now I know how FedHeads felt about 2019! Whoa! Thanx Gill, Amy & Jole. You guyz are Tony-the-Tiger GGRRRREAATTTT! No torch-passing yet. Think Novak has a bit of extra motivation and he will retool and retweak tacticts. The spideyman will bounce back. The torch passes if Carlitos keeps on dominating in 2024 at the GS's. In the meantime, will grieve and lament and dust off my attachments & expectations now that Novak has lost AT WIMBLEDON! Crushing! Enough out of me. Cheers, Milan
Yes
I got this pick right, first pick I got right in the past two weeks. The superior athlete with more options won. Amazing.
Gill's last comment at ~36 minutes was screaming in my head from mid-2nd set on: BE MORE AGGRESSIVE, NOVAK!
And it reiterates my belief that Gill could be a strategy coach at the highest level.
It is probably a torch passing because Alcaraz did what other players couldn't do in the past ten years against Djokovic at the Wimbeldon center court.
Do you think Novak will never ever win another GS? I think he has 2 left in him
@@sonicmoj1 Of course he will because Alcaraz is still not in his prime.
@@danielgm2071 I agree. He still has something left in the the tank.
D for me Carlos has to win AO for it to be torch pass because of how great Nole is there
@@danielgm2071Alcaraz is in his prime. Like Nadal was at 20. They are early bloomers. Sinner is late bloomer like Federer and Djokovic
I think the key to beating Alcaraz is to take the battle to him, to be as offensive as he is from first shot to last; defense is not going to get it done against Alcaraz. Then, I think players must seriously close the gap between his drop shots and lobs and theirs. His feathery drop shots have practically no air underneath them and die on contact with the ground; as with his drop shots, his lobs, which he often uses in combination with his drop shots, are also "arc perfect," well out of reach of his opponents and always landing near the baseline. One can tell he has really worked on these two shots, and the upshot is that his drop shots and lobs are head and shoulders better than every other player's on tour. When most other ATP players attempt a lob, their opponent simply hits an overhead winner because the lob was not arc perfect. These details are difference makers, and players would do well to develop these shots. Out-Alcaraz Alcaraz.
Totally agree about your point on the drop shots and lob combination!
Well said. Alcaraz is indeed a special player.
Love you guys thank you 🙏❤️🇬🇧👏👍
Joel nailed it. Alcaraz problem solved and was unpredictable. But when he unleashed thors hammer or a silk scarf, it was a joy to watch.
Very close match. Could've gone either way. Fair play to carlitos- he has the mind of a champion.
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
He definitely does. Before the match I recalled his incredible record in finals, and I did think he could do it.
Amy is a Novak fan. She is always biased towards him.
I think she was fair though. It's hardly like Novak crumbled.
She is a Federer fan, but he retired
Just because the torch is passed doesn’t mean Djokovic can’t keep winning. It’s more signaling the start of Alcaraz’s era, like when Federer defeated Sampras, Nadal defeated Federer, and Djokovic defeated Nadal all at Wimbledon. It’s Alcaraz’s time to shine.
No it is not. I will tell you why. Nadal was expected to win French open. Everybody knew he was destined to greatness there. Fed won on Grass against Sampras in 2001 in 4th round but couldn't win the tourney until 2003. Everybody again knew he was born to slay on Grass. Djokovic's favorite surface was hard and again he won in straight sets against Fed in 2008 in a semi-final mind you, not Final. He had Tsonga, again a first timer to a Final.
Here Carlitos is just a nobody. He played only 3 Grass tourneys in his entire life before this tourney and Novak was the undisputed king at Wimbledon. And mind you, it is in the final and also in 5 sets, where Novak is just considered unbeatable in 5th set.
So Carlitos did something unreal here.
@@bharat201 Great explanation with a lot of logic and a lot of sense.
@@bharat201 no, he did not. Djokovic is 36 and Alcaraz 20. 16 years gap. Also Djokovic was injured, most of errors and bad serve are also due to his hamstring. Playing Sinner and Alcaraz back to back at age of 36 is never ideal. And he still had huge chances to beat Alcaraz even in less than 5 sets. If Alcaraz beat Djokovic in straight sets it would've been more telling but even then, it wouldn't take away anything from Djokovic just because of the age gap alone.
@@tatjanamastilovic2956 Novak is still in great shape. Alcaraz just had better and solid game. Scary thing is he will improve a bit in coming years.
@@tatjanamastilovic2956 if Alcaraz beat Novak in 3 like Med in US Open 2021 it would tell that Alcaraz wasnt tested because Novak never had a chance to win. But winning in 5 and especially after Novak came back to win 4th set. Thats huge. Alcaraz has champion mentallity like Novak
I think it’s unfair to say Novak was off at all in the Wimbledon final. Sure, the stats probably didn’t look great. But he’s playing against probably the fastest guy he’s played since prime Rafa. Alcaraz could retrieve everything Djokovic hit, which naturally will deflate Djokovic’s winner count, and Djokovic doesn’t have his own prime athleticism to keep up with him. He had to be on relentless offense, and this led to moments like that break point in the fifth set where he missed a swinging volley over the highest part of the net which he wouldn’t have even needed to attempt against anyone else on tour.
Alcaraz’s brute power and threat of serve-and-volley also puts so much pressure on Novak to make better returns, to get the ball to his backhand, and to hit his spots on serve. Of course he’s gonna look a little worse than usual.
And finally, Alcaraz really tested that stamina of his. 26 minute game on Djokovic’s serve in the third set? No wonder he didn’t win another game in the set after that. 4 hours and 42 minutes on court is probably the most he’s had to play in years, and we saw in last year’s RG QF against Nadal that Djokovic isn’t immune to fatigue.
Alcaraz earned this win by being the better player all around. In the 2 sets he lost, he was subpar. He had a nervous start to the match, and in the 4th set his serve kinda abandoned him. 5 double faults in one set is a recipe for disaster. He was giving away a little over one point per service game pretty much.
Joel well stated that this is the beginning of the rivalry, welcome tennis fans to another great rivalry for a few years, I am very pleased to watch this🎉
Young Baghdatis was like this. Smiling all the time, relishing the experience beautiful shot-maker, talent in spades. Met #1 Fed at 20yo at AO Final not believing he was there - just like Carlos here, and played like he was having a party - he WAS the party. Took the first set off peak Federer and came to net at the end grinning like a maniac. It WAS the best day of his life. We all loved Baghdatis too (and he had a much prettier smile😁) and he played superb tennis. If only he hadnt been taken down by injuries.
I disagree with Gil that the 2001 Sampras/Fed match was a passing of the torch moment.
From just before the USO 2000 to the USO 2002 Sampras was in free fall as he lost 35 tournaments in a row.
Alcarez likely to shatter the Big 3 records in the next decade
That is not easy.......he needs health for 15 years and no competition. I have a feeling someone will emerge to contest. Long way to go to get to 23
I understand what you are all saying but Novak didn’t have his best day strait up . His back hand was off and his serve. All credit to Carlos however I will take away an amazing match but Novak will know he can beat him on his best days !!!! Great conversation and excited for the US open
You all made so many great points in this episode! Thanks. Best tennis show in the world.
love so much amy's view on the 'novak and son after-match moment'
Not looking at the stats, I think the key reasons that Alcaraz played evenly and edged out Djokovic was tactical. He used defensive high balls to keep the rallies longer and frustrated Djokovic, knowing Djokovic doesn’t have the power to put away easy balls. With his speed Alcaraz could chase every ball and in desparate cases he lobbed the ball back high which Djokovic sometimes makes errors on.
@stepdownl4901 the wind affected him for sure, maybe more than it did Alcaraz
agree
@stepdownl4901 agree
Novak losing this match was HUGE. to lose the way he did, at Wimbledon...as he stated...on a surface, he didn't think Carlos could get him on, and he was right, the surface was a clear advantage for him, so now on the other surfaces, plus time is not on his side anddddd, this kid is clearly a better tennis player at this point, other than the experience piece but after this win...oh man.
Novak Djokovic likes to win and plays to win just like Nadal Carlitos plays not to lose.
You can get the same results but it's a different mentality.
That's why Carlitos and Rafa never break rackets and get upset and throw them into the stadium.
I actually think the way those two men approach the game is less pressure because we have seen Novak choke like he did against Medvedev when he was going for the Grand slam and I think he had some very surprisingly weak moments being "human" if you will.
I think Novak felt the pressure even though Carlitos was the higher seed and it showed. He also seemed agitated at times in the semifinal This man really wants to win and sometimes that can be distracting instead of motivating especially as you get towards the Twilight of your career.
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
Whatever.....it happens to ALL of them. And Djokovic is more successful than any tennis player in history.
It's so funny people are still talking about the RF vs Sampras QF WB 2001 match as a torch passing, when this was only a QF and Sampras went on to win US Open 2002. But when a barely 20 year old Alcaraz beats Novak in an epic 5 setter at his best surface in a WB final, it's not a torch passing and we will have to see if Alcaraz beats him again at the US Open or Australian Open before giving him credit.🙄
Loved hearing the post game analysis. Thank you, Amy, for not forgetting to mention the inimitable Rafa.
Wow, what happen to the comments section? more tears than my girlfriend seeing Titanic. 😂 I guess cramps are not a funny thing after this match. But, man. That awful wind...only blowing when Nole played his shots...shame on you, wind!!! This L is totally in your bag.
Best show of the Wimbledon podcasts you have done.
Made me laugh the discussion of the location of the torch 😂
Amy moved up!
While I am sad that Wimbledon is over, I am very excited that we do, truly now have a proper rivalry. Novak has been asked repeatedly in the last two years about Alcaraz being his biggest rival, to which he always replied - "umm..Nadal?".
Now we have seen the outstanding heights he and Alcaraz can both reach, it will be fascinating to see more of their matches. Hoping for another epic at the US open.
You'd better believe Novak will be full steam ahead working on every single error from that match.
Another question for a little further ahead is who will be Carlos's rival when novak retires? Will Rune or Sinner have improved enough by thrn? Will there be a new kid on the block? Lots to consider.
Incredible match! My daughter Maddie wanted to watch it with me and we watched all 5 hours. Great analysis Amy, Joel and Gill (Hey Amy!)
15:00 yes Djokovic is the king of tiebreaks, but don’t forget that Alcaraz rarely loses Tie breaks also. Didn’t lost one at this year’s Wimbledon
A little heartbroken, but also happy for Alcaraz. Hopefully this will make the tour competitive for a while.
When Rinderknech went out in round one, I knew that bit of serendipity for Alcaraz spelled trouble for Novak.
Pro Imao
The toxic Djokovic fans had always trashed Federer for crying after losing the 2009 AO final to Nadal, but guess what, Djokovic did the same today. It's a very normal human emotion after a disappointment. Djokovic felt exactly the same emotion today. He wasn't crying until he saw his son smiling. That wasn't a cry because he was greedy, or felt entitled to the win. It was just a disappointment that he let his loved ones down. Same with Federer. He didn't cry until someone in the crowd said "we loved you."
I hope these rabid fans get the point now.
Novak fan here. We’re not toxic or rabid. Well played Alcaraz. What happened today is great for tennis. We go again at the USO!
Novak fan, never said anything about Fed crying. Those are just a sub section.
A sad reality. Is there’s lots of cool Nole fans out there. But unfortunately we only remember the ones who make comments like these. It’s sad but true. Hopefully Novak fans can take notes today. He’s not a robot. He’s a human being and cries too.
Novak only cried when he saw his son smiling at him. A totally normal reaction from a loving father.
@@marlenebuls9535 Marlene you must have been crying all day today! You’re like the resident Nole fan.
WE LOVE YOU NOVAK!!!❤ WELL DONE, CARLOS!!!
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NO WE DONT
@@Southpaw101ok..hater.
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
@@pintoacr3800
Amy must be suffering a lot 😆, as she is such a big Nole’s fan 😁. Carlito played better, is really simple. Novak played fantastic through the entire tournament, even in the Finals, is just that Carlito was a little better. And he brings a lot of intensity and power, whitch is hard to deal with and to keep up with. And btw, Nole in general ia serving fantastic, so Amy saying he needs to be more focused on his service games - yes, but it happens you have few slower moments and if Carlito’s on fire, you’re done. It could have been the other way around.
@Gill: i wanted to say to you from the prediction: 5 setts yes, but different winner :)
Cheers!
Thanks, I always learn something from you guys and girl but I feel very sad about Novak's loss today.
Both played exceptionally well. We wanted a five setter and we got it! Yes- it was disappointing for Novak because he tried to pace the second set by playing safe, and it gave Carlos the drive and confidence to come back. To the point- the one with the most drive won it. Carlos wanted it bad and he had the energy to bring the crowning trophy home. An older man at 36 vs. one just as good at 20 yrs. old. It's easy to see who will outlast the other. Congrats to Carlos!
Two - The Tennis Show?!?
Thank you Amy
Fair play to the new King of Tennis Alcaraz, but I'm sooooo gutted. Novak is my guy... He'll be back. What a game!
Can I just say i am really glad that Carlos beat Novak ... not because I am a Novak hater but cause I dont think there was much to be gained by him winning here no matter what all the analysts think and no matter what Novak thinks he needs to satisfy his hunger for a complete trophy collection. I think tennis needed someone to beat Novak to feel like there is someone great worth watching after the big3 retire. Every great player has been dethroned by the next and it would have been a shame if no one even challenged Novak since he took the mantle from Nadal and Fed. Wawrinka just couldn't cut it because of his inconsistency/age.
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
I think the passing of the torch is when basically everyone agrees if they both play their best the new guys wins.
Alcaraz - we are all celebrating in Spain - it´s unbelievable -all you Nole fans Alacaraz is the real thing - I´m in Spain look at him on RUclips at 10
Amy's fav was Federer. But only Novak is playing out of the Big 3, so I guess she favored him
The final match really look like Djokovic was playing a younger, vigorous version of himself! Carlos did Out Novak, Novak! ☝️👏 great final match ❤
At that time, we didn't think Sampras' 14 slams would be broken. Then the Big 3 came along and shattered it with 20+ slams. If Alcaraz stays healthy and motivated and is able to play for another 15+ years,(it sounds a bit premature) I can see him breaking the GS record mark. Here is why.The Big 3 had to go through each other to get most of their slams while having to deal with Murray and Wawrinka along the way as well and they all reached 20 slams. Alcaraz doesn't really have any big time rivals in my opinion. I am not sold on Tsitipas. Perhaps Medvedev & Sinner will step up their games to be able to compete with Alcaraz over the long haul on all surfaces at the slams. I am just saying it's not far fetched. Alcaraz has the game, mentality, and drive to do it. Only time will tell.
Maybe Djokovic was in denial about Alcatraz’s grass ability with minimal experience. Because Djokovic has panic thought-if he can master grass so quickly…then my retirement may come quicker
I am glad that Djokovich could NOT equal Roger at Wimbledon. 8 titles, with 5 of them successive, remains unmatched
M borg would like a word with u about 5 in a row
@@colethomas903 Borg only had the five consecutive titles but not the 8 titles. Federer has bOTH which was my point. Some enumerations in a sentence are written conjunctively, bud.
He also has this important records Djokovic can't beat : by winning five consecutive Wimbledons from 2003 to 2007 and five consecutive US Opens from 2004 to 2008, Federer is actually the only player in tennis history, to win two different Grand Slams five (or more) years in a row each , and he has the record for the most consecutive weeks as number 1 , 237 consecutive weeks .
@@ioaninmihail6470 And Djokovic has just about everything else.
@@ioaninmihail6470
Remind the class of Feds opponents in 2003-2007 where he racked up most of his slams. 😅
Alcaraz finally proved he is on the same level with Novak currently, previously its been one man dominance, now it starts to get interesting
On contrary to your point djokovic will find inspiration to fight alacaraz….my take is if u see carefully djokovic was feeling physically tired after third it was bravo effort from him to hang on….but it will be tiring mentally for djokovic to fight him again and again…that will make him go for more at start will that effect dynamics of the match….lets see whats in store in future but if alcaraz defeat him in US open it will be game changer and it will also give inspiration to other bright talent
Carlos rewrote tennis history. He prevented Novak from matching both Federer (8 titles) and Borg / Federer (5 in a row). Also the French/Wimbledon double for a second time and a potential calendar slam and the No.1 ranking as well as undisputed greatest status. This was incredibly significant. Much more than people realize.. Carlos is the most complete player i have ever seen at 20. Generational talent. And he is still developing. Wait and watch.
Zlaz agree with you
Thank you 3. It was a masterclass from both. Amy was right on the comment at the preview of the tournament.
Carlos was on the way, and he showed today why.
Highlights on the tiebreak 2nd set, and that 25 minute game, an absolute battle, with Carlos very determined to make his mark this time. The future is bright. Thank you, we are eagerly waiting for your analysis.
👍
Masterclass? Really?
You think making club player errors at the business end of the tie break and tanking the 3rd set in a major final is worthy of ‘masterclass’ status?
Mentally this was a poor performance from Novak. Something was off here.
Yes Carlos was playing great and was a disrupter, but Djokovic has never been this unstable in a Wimbledon final from an error and emotional perspective.
I think Novak wants to retire on top. He does not want to retire the second best. In the next 12-24 months, he is going to adapt his game to shorten matches and deal with the likes of Medvedev, Sinner, Rune and of course, Alcaraz. He won’t relax until he has won 25 majors.
The beast returner in 2023 is Carlos
esta señorita es uno de los mejores analistas de tenis, si no el mejor que yo haya escuchado nunca. quiza alex corretja tenga un nivel parecido. 👍👍👍
We also had Wawrinka
Lol, the comment section😂 Djokovic loses one match, and Fedal fans are saying that he’s over, like he didn’t win the first two majors of the year, and even in this one, came very close, just a two point difference. If there’s one thing about Djokovic, is that he usually bounces back from difficult defeats. I think Djokovic and Alcaraz will be each other’s rivals at majors, along with Rafa at RG, which sounds insane to say, considering their age difference, but there’s no one in Alcaraz’s generation who can beat him consistently in a Bo5. Rune, is not up to Alacaraz’s level. Sinner is the only one from the young guns who can rush Carlos and can and has beaten him before, but Jannik’s mental aspect is not quite there yet, so I don’t quite see him challenging Alacaraz in major finals. Once Djokovic is done, Alcaraz could go unchallenged, and thus, have a good shot at breaking the records, if he can stay healthy, and provided the others don’t catch up. Until then, Djokovic still exists. Still at 23:)
I agree with most of what you say, but Nadal is definitely done winning slams.
@@jacobschmidt2709 absolutely agree
All these days djokovic has been winning because there is no proper competition for djokoic
: his record against acalaraz 2 and 0 ( one match alacaraz injured ) .
Rune 2 and 0 against djokovic. .
that's why he will never be goat even if he wins 30 grandslams
RAQUET BREAKING, SHOUTING AT PEOPLE. HITTING PEOPLE WITH BALLS AND CHEATING A WHOLE COUNTRY, and cheating with injuries to win matches. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BEST TENNIS PLAYER EVER HERE. I LIKE DJOKOVID'S TENNIS BUT HE IS NOT THE RIGHT PERSON TO REPRESENT A SPORT WHICH IS GENTLEMEN SPORT.
NO ONE HATES DJOKOVID , HE MAKES PEOPLE HATE HIM BY DOING THIS :
@@pintoacr3800 Haha, what? Rune’s head to head will prevent Djokovic from being the GOAT? I have heard it all. You Fedal fans are ridiculous😂 Djokovic only cares about grand slams, and his H2H against Alcaraz in majors is 1-1. Alcaraz wasn’t injured; he had cramps. That is his own conditioning. I thought you people said no excuses? 1-1. GTFO here. Has yet to play Rune in a major, but that dude can’t even reach a final😂 Novak IS the GOAT, regardless of how much you people cry about it. By your logic, Dustin Brown is a better player than Nadal😂 Numbers don’t lie. Everything else, you can shove it where the sun don’t shine. No one cares about your subjective opinions.
Yes, variety and imagination (power and accuracy as well, obviously, but mostly the imagination), that's for me what makes watching Carlitos play very enjoyable.
I have to confess, I've never enjoyed watching Djokovic play, for me his talent is just playing negative tennis. He's tall and freakishly limber and flexible, it's extremely hard to get past him and he's a great counterpuncher. Some people like watching that, great, good for you. Me, I'd rather watch the Fedster - and now Carlitos - come up with wonderfully surprising and skillful ways of winning a point any day of the week.
This was Jeol best show of all shows
I wish Nadal comes back next year and wins RG as well as one more slam to be a sole leader of the pack 24.. that will be a fine end to a fine career.. I just wish
Love Joel , I just know he likes Nadal a bit more than the others 2 😂 just a little bit more ❤❤❤
I had predicted right about this final. A loss at FO that made Carlos to win today. This is a real change of guard. This kid will rule tennis for next 20 years. Lets see.
I sure hope so! He is my favorite player! Maybe his brother will join him in a few years?
L for me he need to beat him at the AO
Jeez Amy, give some credits to the Kid. He is only 20 with very little grass experience and he beat your GoaT with true grit.
Alcatraz will beat him every from now on .. watch it .. he has confidence now and even other guys
will take him down as well
Chokovic 😂!!!!
Chokovic is finished 😂😂😂😂😂
Lets compare Djokovic's "choke" jobs to everyone else in tennis. I'll stick with him. A 5 set loss is not a choke
@@toddjohnson271 lol that overhead error at bp was a choke
Rogers Wimbledon 19 5set was a choke
U are a chokosquirrel so u are a choker
in my opinion, Alcaraz has to repeat a few seasons like this in terms of dominance to be considered the true successor of the Big 3.. the standards are too high to talk about Acaraz this early in that way, especially since young new talents are coming and all the coaches, psychologists, and people in tennis are aware of those standards!!
DJoker isn't going anywhere yet, as Amy says, and yesterday two fairly easy backhands to the net decided it and took the match in the other direction, especially since they stayed in DJoker's head at the beginning of the third set, he couldn't forget them and just lost the connection!! I admire him how, at the age of 36, he managed to keep up with Carlos' rhythm for the whole match, and equalize at 2-2 after his missed opportunities.. one thing is for sure, we have a new real rivalry for at least a while!!
We'll have to wait to see how the US Open turns out, but if Alcaraz takes it (don't forget that Djokovic is 3-6 at finals in Flushing Meadows), it will start to look like Federer in 2003 and 2004, but it will only be three majors for Alcaraz at age 20, whereas for Federer it was four at age 23, considering their respective year-end ages.
M u do realize Carlos could be at 4 majors before he is 21 he’s got USO and AO
@@colethomas903 I know that, but for the sake of comparison I prefer to focus on how many they have at the end of the year, also the end of the season.
I also think that players beating Djokovic and Nadal actually gives other players hope. I think Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Zverev, maybe even Ruud or Sinner, they watch this and go, “why can’t that be me? Djokovic isn’t unstoppable.” I think they’ll have new belief at the USO if they play Novak. Think about 2019, 2020. Thiem, Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Federer were all challenging and beating Nadal and Djokovic. As a result, they never felt untouchable even if they were the clear top 2. Then 2021 hit, Djokovic dominated, Nadal came back in 2022 and dominated, and I think a lot of players just lost belief. Lost that edge. Tsitsipas blew his 2 set lead at RG21 and I swear he hasn’t been the same since. Medvedev lost his 2 set lead at AO22 and hasn’t been the same, though he’s getting some form back.
Maybe Alcaraz will put some belief into these guys.
Will Djoker be charged with vandalizing The All England Club Centre Court?
Carlos is going up, Novak is going down, father time does not forgive, since now it is difficult for Carlos to lose a major final.
Moral of the story "Alcatraz lockdown has now officially concluded inside the Serb's kingdom"🏆
Amy's fav was Federer she said but he's gone, so she picks whoever's left
I like Alcaraz just fine. But I still really want Novak to get 25 Slams. Is this still possible?
It’s definitely still possible.
@@lifegripstill possible Roger won slams even after Rafa and Djokovic passed him past like 2012
Duncan that depends on Carlos alcaraz
oh well :(
It's okay
Joel...you happy
In sport like in general in entertainment one always gets to disapponitings like that one .. sooner or later ..