if you're just playing games, sure anything else? i9 clearly better than i5 for productivity but i am still happy with my 7800x3d more than anything intel offer❤
@@Bargate Even the i7/i9 isn't required for the other 90% of people for gaming. There really isn't a (newer gen) i5 or r5 that bottleneck graphics cards.
You can undervolt and O/C fine tune the i9 for even more performance while drawing less power in games or productivity depending on the needs. Leaving it stock is pretty dumb. Same with the gpu, you should undervolt and O/C for optimized performance and way less power draw.
Reviewers should make tutorials about fine tuning the i7's and i9's especially of the last 2 gens. These cpu's are extremely capable of delovering up to 20% more performance while consuming 30-40% less power in games for example. But no, most reviews are at stock and conclusion based on those numbers. I don't have an analogy in mind right now but anyway, you should never buy an i7 or i9 if you don't know how to use it properly. It's just a waste of electricity and money in the end of the day. If you're not willing to fine tune your hardware just go with amd, they are made like consoles nowadays, you don't have to do anything extra, but the stock numbers are deceiving to the actual potential of modern i7's and i9's.
Happy you covered this. Seems the word "bottlenecking" is thrown about to easily with half the people not even doing a real world research. I learnt this back with the overclockable Pentium G3258k that could keep up with the i7 4770k in most cases.
I'm surprised how well 12400f did. I rock 12400 myself and really happy to see that it can handle 4080 super with a small bottleneck. Great video as always!
Same, I was looking to upgrade to 13th or 14th gen but don't see the need anymore. Also read the intel was going to release another sku for 1700 platform. Not sure that's true.
*Slower fps doesn't mean the cpu is a bottleneck. The 12400f can be slower at 4K but it's not a bottleneck. It would be a bottleneck at lower resolution and a very high refresh rate. Ex: A 300hz monitor at 1080p would REALLY show the difference between the cpu's. Whether it's a $400 or $4000 pc, there is always a bottleneck in a pc depending on resolution and game settings.
This is a great way to review it, cuz many people who stagger the upgrade of their PC components, might actually pair a new GPU with an old CPU to upgrade that later Nice one, very informative
Kind of what I did. Not too old, but I got a 4090 a few months ago, and initially kept my 12700K, as I didn't feel like spending over $2K at once. This combination did pretty good, but not great. I just upgraded to 14700K, so my GPU can finally spread its wings, and everything performs beautifully now.
I have a 7900XTX paired with a R7 5700x. I *was* concerned about a bottleneck @1440p 165hz. Lucky for me and for many other enthusiasts on a budget, you don’t need to go all out on an expensive cpu or a brand new platform to get good performance with a 80 or 90 class card. This video is proof of that concept. If you asked me how different a 14th gen i9 and a 12th gen i5 performed in comparison, i would have expected much more of a difference, even at 4k. I could have a few more frames with a better processor paired with my 7900XTX, but im happy with my setup.
I have a 7900xtx / 7800x3d and I hope it's going to last me at least 3 years... Although I got almost all the kit through various sales it was still expensive...
Well,@@MrMilkyCoco, you're obviously missing the point of this whole video. You don't need a top of the line processor to adequately game on a top of the line GPU. First of all, I had enough money to buy a 7900XTX. I bought one because I wanted a 4080 class card, without the 100 dollar BARE MINIMUM Nvidia tax. Secondly, I didn't get a 5800x3d because its almost 140 dollars more expensive for a chip that performs only ~15-25% faster in games. Also not to mention that the x3d has a peak wattage of 130w, where as the 5700x is just 87w. I used a 3700x for a long time, and it served me very well. A 5700x is more than enough for my use case. So, with my build, I get maybe 10 to 20 less fps while saving 400 dollars. Thats what I meant by "enthusiast on a budget".
This is one of the best takes on the 4080 super/A high end GPU ever. Good job for coming up with a new creative way to review the 4080 super. If you skimp on the CPU/motherboard/cooler you're leaving all that extra bandwidth for a higher end graphics card.
Great comparison! It's rare that reviewers put big hardware in midrange systems, but I feel like this represents the majority of people contemplating upgrades. I play VR often and was thinking of upgrading the GPU but wasn't sure if I should think about getting an X3D CPU first, since people say that it smooths out FPS a lot, especially in Skyrim and Fallout VR. Here I can see that, while the Bethesda engine in Starfield is more CPU limited than other games and the newer chip does help, it's not going to prevent a fast card from being a lot bigger of an upgrade than a new processor would be at those high resolutions. Very useful result, thanks!
Great video sir! Your special little pal even made an appearance. "The little processor that could". 4k brought the little banger 12400f to life. cpu scaling videos ftw!
Appreciate the unique take on a benchmark review. CPUs are generally upgraded much less frequently so I think lots of people find themselves asking this question of how new cards will run with previous gen CPUs and what the bottleneck looks like
From relatively niche channel to certified YT star gettin' all the good stuff. Look at you go. You're still the same even-keel guy you've always been though. Glad to see you having so much success on the channel!
What a great video idea, this is honestly much more helpful when deciding how to build a high end but not unlimited budget machine than any other review I have seen.
I only able to buy 4070 ti super, my pc still using 5800x and I wont upgrade cpu, so happy with this review that I made relatively good decision. no big gain using newer cpu for gaming. thanks for the review!
I have a TUF 4090 and let me tell you that screwdriver/anti sag tool thing is absolutely brilliant! Keeps up the big boy, is quite heavy and high quality itself and is magnetic too, so no wiggling around
Nice one son! Good to see you getting a review sample of this beast. Interesting results and better than what I was expecting from the 12400F. But I think a game like Starfield, which demands a strong CPU, is probably an indication of a heavy bottleneck in CPU intensive multiplayer games.
Thats a thicc boi !!! Impressive temps though, even under load. Performance is as expected of course, those 4k framerates are well impressive. Thanks for the video, Steve 🙂
I have looked everywhere for an article/video of this type. As others have said, some of us can't afford updating our entire system at once so we stagger video & then MB/CPU/Ram as we can afford. Seeing 4k gaming in this setup is something the big content creators should be doing & really aren't. You're a step ahead. Nice work fella!
The power draw comparison along with the CPU temps is pretty revealing. Pretty much same performance results. So all the extra cost of RAM, MB, PSU and other hardware seems to be overkill and a waste of money unless you use your PC for creating or serious intensive applications. Great comparison. Thank you.
I'm running a R5 5600x and soon to be a 4080 super. The i5-12400f & 5600x are very similar so this situation translates well. Thank you for the piece of mind!
Interesting video RandomGamingHD. I've always wondered how bottle necked my CPU is if using higher resolutions with 3+ year old hardware. I wouldn't mind seeing more side by side comparisons with older platforms running these higher end GPU's. Thanks again for showing this match up!
Interesting video as always! I'm not sure if you'll read this comment, but in case you happen to: Could I make one minor recommendation about the formatting? I typically watch videos with subtitles on, and where you've placed the benchmark results the text box overlaps with the results you show - It could be nice to raise that up to a higher spot in the video for those of us who usually use subtitles. It's also not a pressing issue since the text can be moved around in the video player. And if you did read this comment, thanks for taking the time to make these videos!
Great video, results are pretty much what I expected, but CPU manufacturers (especcially Intel) have done a really good job in making people believe that to be able to play on the highest settings settings you need the latest and greatest CPU, when in fact it takes load off your CPU to run on higher graphics settings. On an unrelated note YT has once again unsubscribed me, I think this is the 3rd time I've had to re-sub...
You couldnt have dropped this video at a better time, ive been all over the internet the past week trying to find out if my I5-13400f would bottleneck the 4070 super/super ti im looking at and now i have a solid answer, thank you brother
Tried the same processor with 4070ti and it was good but a bit bottleneck once fps reach the hundreds. Never ever thought that it could also works decent for 4080. Great video !
Finally a review with a common upgrade scenario and settings that someone buying this card would actually aim for (i.e. using DLSS with RT). Thank you for this!
really fun to watch, would love to see more stuff like this in the future. you are right lol, questions like this are quite common in reddit and the likes xD
Haha, this is almost me. I'm currently stuck with an i5-9600K (2018 build), waiting for Arrow Lake, but I picked up a 4080 Super yesterday just for 4K. I already have a 3080, and even at 1440p, a few select titles that actually use the CPU quite a bit (like BG3) actually struggles to maintain 60fps min at 100% CPU load. I figured the Super would be massively bottlenecked until later this year, but I guess it's just game dependent.
Love this. I have a rather strange setup of an 5600x and 3070TI both fully watercooled on a custom loop. I've been eyeing the 4080s as a potential next step up but was a little concerned it would be bottlenecked by the CPU. It's good to know I wouldn't leave too much performance on the table, now I just wish I could see Nvidia's roadmap for when the 5080 launches!
I did a similar thing and paired an R5 5600 with a TUF gaming 7900XTX. I then upgraded my CPU to a 5800x3d. The difference between the CPU's in benchmarks at 4k was exactly what you found. Maybe 1 or 2 fps average difference but the lows improved. Almost felt like Id wasted money on the upgrade but some of the newest games have utilised it more so I feel better about it now
Great video! I have a suggestion: you should do tests like these in competitive games, especially Fortnite, because when it comes to competition, a stable 240fps on a 240Hz monitor is extremely important. I’d be curious to see how the card performs in a scenario like that. In games like Cyberpunk or The Witcher, if you have something between 70 to 120fps, I feel it’s more than enough.
Most of this I new from watching reviews, but it's great to see a direct 1 to 1 comparison to drive the point home. For New High End games (non E-Sports) it's really all about the Graphics card.
Nice twist on the traditional benchmark process and that is one beefy card, if it can pull off +60fps at either 1440p or 2160p pretty much maxed out! Personally, if I had a GPU of this calibre, I'd definitely go with something like a 14900K CPU and a decent board, to get the most out of the GPU and also to not make the CPU as much of a limitation if dropping back to lower resolutions such as 1080p (I do not have a monitor that exceeds 1080p resolution). Having said that, I'd go with a decent motherboard no matter what the setup, because only having 2 RAM slots is an unforgiving limitation, as is only having a single M.2 slot and 4 SATA ports.
Very glad you covered this. Gonna get a 12400f soon for my 3080. Mostly for RT, which my 9400f can't handle. Ill finally have a balanced pc, with the cpu headroom to upgrade my gpu in the future
What we need is two tests. An RTX 5090 upon release alongside a Pentium 4 And a GT 710 with the highest end CPU available at the time the 5090 comes out. The ultimate pro gamer setup.
Very informative, and real life video. Will be pairing a Ryzen 7 5800X3D with the 4080S. Plan to only game in 4K but the games I play are not as intensive as shown. Expecting a good experience.
Thanks so much for attacking this question. The top channels (understandably) focus on benchmarking these cards using the latest and greatest complements in order to understand ceiling. That's all well and good, but when you're making practical decisions as a buyer, you need to know how much CPU you need to properly use the GPU without wasting money. This is a fantastic exploration to try and understand the nuances around that practical decision boundary.
Loved your review. Rarely do you see someone compare a lower gen processor along with one of the new ones. I'm actually waiting on the same exact card right now to come in within the week. Seems I'll be fine with my i-9 9900k.
This is actually great and means that AW2 is a perfectly optimized game in terms of CPU. Avatar is of the same type as well. Those games, which need Super powerful GPU and super powerful CPU are the ones that truly frustrate me - Hogwarts, SWJS etc.
Thank you for your work; it's a great video. I also noticed that the power draw difference between the i9 and i5 is 2x up to 3x for a 3% to 5% increase in performance. It's not worth it for me, considering the price difference, of course.
This is interesting to see my friend (a so called professional in the computing industry) put together a system for another friend of mine. He paired a 7950x3d with a 4060 (non TI) When I told him he had a huge bottleneck and could have spent the money on a better gpu he was really salty about it. I'm personally rocking a 9700k with a 3080 wich I got at launch for only 720EUR and I,m very happy with my system. Only back in 2020 it was not possible to get a high end cpu with an upgrade path since amd and intel were both at the end of their cycle. So i,m wondering what a 4080 would do in a system with a 9700k actually. If you would come across a chanse to test this I would be eternally gratefull. Big props to you and have a nice weekend buddy
My previous built was a i9-10900kf with rtx3080 and the CPU was sleeping most of the time... when I upgraded towards a DDR5 platform, I went for a i5-13600kf and a Radeon 7900XTX.... and I'm pretty happy gaming with in in 4K.
Thank you for the videos I have an i5 12600k ddr4 mb and about to upgrade my 1080 to either a 4080 or 4090, now I know they won't be throttled that bad
I used to have an I7 2700K (overclocked at 4.8Ghz though!) paired with a 2080 Super and I remember that it was the first time the CPU was actually suffering a tad. However, I was totally able to play Doom Eternal at 4K and 60fps, even with my super old CPU. In my experience, for gaming you can keep the CPUs a few years and they are still fine. Yeah, you may have some stuttering here and there, but if you are not into competitive FPS it is OK 😊 The main problem I see, in the long run, is that eventually you end using lots of power when you keep the old CPU, even if it keeps up. I am currently using a 13900KS and it is so power hungry that i really don't see myself either overclocking it much or keeping it for 10 years.
This is exactly the vid I was looking for! I have an old I9 9700k and a 750w psu! Fingers crossed this will do ok until I can afford to upgrade the rest ( getting a 4080 super) Will the i9 9700k be ok 'ish as well?
Thankyou for this video, and shows how good the i5 is, it would be nice to see the same games and test at 4k to see hoe the i5 then compares. Any chance of you doing this?
Just proves why I hate mainstream media testing only 1080p because it makes people believe even in 4k the difference will be massive and it isnt at all. Very small in most. But it will helps your lows but then again these freaking budget cpus are monsters compared to past. The 13400f matches the 12600k and the 13600k matches the 12900k. Pretty insane. Most games in 4k only need a few cores believe it or not to function correctly. 1 core is rough as we have seen tested so if you get a 4080 qnd want to game 4k you dont need the 7800x3d or the 14900k. Is it nice? Yes but its not needed. The 13600k imo is the perfect cpu for that balance. Enough to be able to game in 1080p without to much of a bottleneck. 1440p gaming is amazing and then 4k is perfection. The 4k results are almoat identical to the 14900k even in the lows! So enjoy and save you some money because gpus matter 10x more and whenever i see peoppe say i got a 7800x3d and noticed a massive difference in my average fps im like yeah ok 1080p gamer. Then they make it out like it was 4k. Im like no maybe a select few games but its not massive.
As long as you know your target resolution/ frame rate and games you would like to play don't let anyone tell you there's a bottle eck. I went from a GTX 760 to an RX 580 on an FX 6300 and it worked great on 8th generation games at 1800p 30 FPS high. That GPU upgrade gave me 4 more years of PC gaming for cheap.
I am loving that I can go from my PC's Forza Horizon 5, fly about the place in my MK1 Escort Cossie or my much loved Metro 6R mental motor (have driven a real one) then go onto my Xbox One and pick up where I left off... then back to the PC and back again loaded up ready to tear up some more Mexical roads. Currently torturing myself with LotR: Gollum, bought it for a few quid and whilst it has some quirk and charm... its not even in the same universe as Return to Moria lol
Thanks for this, I just got 4070 super and that bottleneck gremlin did pop into my head where I am rocking the 12400f myself. put that sucker to bed with the quickness.
I had a similar experience with a Ryzen 5600X + RX 7800 XT combo. I was for sure convinced that the 5600x wouldn't bottleneck the 7800XT but dang it wouldn't go over 70% usage in some games at all. Had to upgrade to a 5800X3D to solve that problem. Which also forced me to buy a new cooler, but whatever, you can always re-use your cooler in a new system later down the line.
This was very interesting to see. The averages were all pretty much identical, just the little stuttery bits were worse on the older CPU. Obviously people are going on about how it would be worse at 1080P because the CPU would bottleneck but you'd clearly be getting playable frame rates--use a FPS limiter if you're really that worried about the stutters! I tend to run a CPU through several generations of GPU before upgrading (in the case of my i7 2600 I ran it through 8 generations!) and the only bad part is the keyboard warriors telling you how poorly your PC will run (except it doesn't).
It's marketing and it's working... They miss out the part of getting out the best of what you have. It's nowadays like: " Newest CPU is 5%-10% faster than previous gen making it obsolete 😅!!!!!!!!!"
Excellent, thank you! I have a non Super 4080 on the way and wondered if my 13500 with DDR5 would NOT do it justice at 1440p/144hz (max of my monitor), but it looks like I'll be fine trying some RT titles!
the overhead CPU figures on the I9 would mean you could do some cpu tasks in the background while also gaming, perhaps render a video or listen to music with chrome open in the background etc
That KCD performance is crazy. I have a i9 9900kf and I know it's a bit older but I get nothing but micro stutter in npc heavy areas. This has been a frustration of mine for years. Currently running an XTX and if I want to get rid of the stuttery frames I have to turn settings way way down. On ultra I get plenty of fps but the frametime graph looks like criminal taking a polygraph.
Thank you so much for this. I have been wondering if a decent 750 watt PSU would be sufficient for 4080 super and how much of a bottleneck my 6 core CPU would make above 1080p resolution. This video made that clear. Why other tech channels ignore this type of scenarios, some people don't have the budget for complete system upgrade, they may upgrade "this" now, "that" later, one by one as their budget would allow.
It always depends on your use case. I always need high cache, high frequency CPU’s as I mainly play tarkov, GPU can be anything mid range but it always has been the cpu I cared about.
I run almost the exact system you tested in the video except I have more ram. Not as ridiculous as you think. People spend way too much money on their processors in gaming only PCs. My 12400 has lasted me 3 video card upgrades now and at 4k which I exclusively game at shows a very small frame rate difference. My 4080 Super is definitely the last card I’ll run with it as there is some bottleneck now. Once the new Ryzens hit I’ll upgrade to their cheapest 8 core more than likely and do the whole thing over again. 😅 Oh and I also run my system on a Seasonic 650 watt power supply that’s been going strong for over 6 years now. Stop buying extremely overkill PSUs! Quality>>>>>wattage.
Great video. My prebuilt has 11700k, which likely is same ballpark as that 12th gen. Nicw to see i dont need the latest and greatest . Im playing at 3440 x 1440
Really impressed with the 12400F for power usage in gaming. And this is someone with an undervolted 5800X3D. The 14900K on the other hand is a space heater in comparison lol.
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The thing that impresses me the most here is how the i5 draws ~1/4th of the power of the i9 while still giving pretty decent performance
if you're just playing games, sure
anything else? i9 clearly better than i5 for productivity
but i am still happy with my 7800x3d more than anything intel offer❤
i9 is pretty much purely for productivity tasks or if you own a 4090. i7 or ryzen 7 is the max you need for 99% of people.
@@Bargate Even the i7/i9 isn't required for the other 90% of people for gaming. There really isn't a (newer gen) i5 or r5 that bottleneck graphics cards.
You can undervolt and O/C fine tune the i9 for even more performance while drawing less power in games or productivity depending on the needs. Leaving it stock is pretty dumb. Same with the gpu, you should undervolt and O/C for optimized performance and way less power draw.
Reviewers should make tutorials about fine tuning the i7's and i9's especially of the last 2 gens. These cpu's are extremely capable of delovering up to 20% more performance while consuming 30-40% less power in games for example. But no, most reviews are at stock and conclusion based on those numbers. I don't have an analogy in mind right now but anyway, you should never buy an i7 or i9 if you don't know how to use it properly. It's just a waste of electricity and money in the end of the day. If you're not willing to fine tune your hardware just go with amd, they are made like consoles nowadays, you don't have to do anything extra, but the stock numbers are deceiving to the actual potential of modern i7's and i9's.
Happy you covered this. Seems the word "bottlenecking" is thrown about to easily with half the people not even doing a real world research. I learnt this back with the overclockable Pentium G3258k that could keep up with the i7 4770k in most cases.
That pentium was a little beast though. Sad that we dont get such overclockable low budget CPUs now.
The g3258 was such a beast. Really suffered as games started to utilise more cores though
@@RandomGaminginHD would love to see how that old baby handle newer games with a mid range GPU...can we please get a video on that if possible?
@@Yash-_-777It would be pretty bad as most games today use 4+ cores.
@@Jimster481 yes but would still like to see how it does
I'm surprised how well 12400f did. I rock 12400 myself and really happy to see that it can handle 4080 super with a small bottleneck. Great video as always!
Testing was done at 4K so that eliminates the cpu advantage.
(Apart from percentile lows)
Kinda glad seeing that too, means my 13600kf will probably not bottleneck the 4080s @ 1440p
@@goliathmb18 depends purely on the game tbh I can think of many games that will bottleneck it. Satisfactory comes to mind.
Same, I was looking to upgrade to 13th or 14th gen but don't see the need anymore. Also read the intel was going to release another sku for 1700 platform. Not sure that's true.
*Slower fps doesn't mean the cpu is a bottleneck. The 12400f can be slower at 4K but it's not a bottleneck. It would be a bottleneck at lower resolution and a very high refresh rate. Ex: A 300hz monitor at 1080p would REALLY show the difference between the cpu's. Whether it's a $400 or $4000 pc, there is always a bottleneck in a pc depending on resolution and game settings.
This is a great way to review it, cuz many people who stagger the upgrade of their PC components, might actually pair a new GPU with an old CPU to upgrade that later
Nice one, very informative
Kind of what I did. Not too old, but I got a 4090 a few months ago, and initially kept my 12700K, as I didn't feel like spending over $2K at once. This combination did pretty good, but not great. I just upgraded to 14700K, so my GPU can finally spread its wings, and everything performs beautifully now.
The cpu power difference in metro Exodus is shocking.
Shocking, teehee
not just in that game and not just power usage, but also temps, 15 20c diference, and 100w+ on i9... with no performance boost lol
I have a 7900XTX paired with a R7 5700x. I *was* concerned about a bottleneck @1440p 165hz. Lucky for me and for many other enthusiasts on a budget, you don’t need to go all out on an expensive cpu or a brand new platform to get good performance with a 80 or 90 class card. This video is proof of that concept. If you asked me how different a 14th gen i9 and a 12th gen i5 performed in comparison, i would have expected much more of a difference, even at 4k. I could have a few more frames with a better processor paired with my 7900XTX, but im happy with my setup.
I have a 5800x3d and 7900 XT on water at UQHD. CPU won't be an issue at that res
I paired my 4070 Ti Super with my R7 7700X and I'm happy as a pig in slop 😁
I have a 7900xtx / 7800x3d and I hope it's going to last me at least 3 years...
Although I got almost all the kit through various sales it was still expensive...
I still dont understand what budget means when one gets the best gpu of the manufacturer. At least upgrade to a 5800x3d.
Well,@@MrMilkyCoco, you're obviously missing the point of this whole video. You don't need a top of the line processor to adequately game on a top of the line GPU.
First of all, I had enough money to buy a
7900XTX. I bought one because I wanted a 4080 class card, without the 100 dollar BARE MINIMUM Nvidia tax.
Secondly, I didn't get a 5800x3d because its almost 140 dollars more expensive for a chip that performs only ~15-25% faster in games. Also not to mention that the x3d has a peak wattage of 130w, where as the 5700x is just 87w. I used a 3700x for a long time, and it served me very well. A 5700x is more than enough for my use case.
So, with my build, I get maybe 10 to 20 less fps while saving 400 dollars. Thats what I meant by "enthusiast on a budget".
Congrats on getting review samples. You've finally gone big!
This is one of the best takes on the 4080 super/A high end GPU ever. Good job for coming up with a new creative way to review the 4080 super. If you skimp on the CPU/motherboard/cooler you're leaving all that extra bandwidth for a higher end graphics card.
01:30 the only thing that matters.
The dog
I had to go back , I am so glad I did!!! I am thinking of clipping a meme where the puppy brings a 6700xt in to make that clip the best 🐕
the real dog is this hype bullshit gpus
The question we all want answered is Does a dog come with all high PCs? I'd prefer a cat. Can I get a cat with my 4080S?
Yes, it will also come with ray tracing you do not need and a very fragile connector that is bulky as hell.@@simmadpaul2880
if u buy a RTX 4060 u got a Gecko to put on the tempered glass
Great comparison! It's rare that reviewers put big hardware in midrange systems, but I feel like this represents the majority of people contemplating upgrades.
I play VR often and was thinking of upgrading the GPU but wasn't sure if I should think about getting an X3D CPU first, since people say that it smooths out FPS a lot, especially in Skyrim and Fallout VR. Here I can see that, while the Bethesda engine in Starfield is more CPU limited than other games and the newer chip does help, it's not going to prevent a fast card from being a lot bigger of an upgrade than a new processor would be at those high resolutions. Very useful result, thanks!
Great video sir! Your special little pal even made an appearance. "The little processor that could". 4k brought the little banger 12400f to life. cpu scaling videos ftw!
You've made the big leagues if you're getting review samples. Well done matey!
Congrats Brother!Going from reviewing GT 710 to 4080 Super!! Amazing
Appreciate the unique take on a benchmark review. CPUs are generally upgraded much less frequently so I think lots of people find themselves asking this question of how new cards will run with previous gen CPUs and what the bottleneck looks like
From relatively niche channel to certified YT star gettin' all the good stuff. Look at you go. You're still the same even-keel guy you've always been though. Glad to see you having so much success on the channel!
What a great video idea, this is honestly much more helpful when deciding how to build a high end but not unlimited budget machine than any other review I have seen.
I only able to buy 4070 ti super, my pc still using 5800x and I wont upgrade cpu, so happy with this review that I made relatively good decision. no big gain using newer cpu for gaming. thanks for the review!
I have exactly same spec and consider buying high end gpu, this helps a lot knowing i shouldn't be worried. Thanks
I have an old i9700k , hoping this will be ok as well .
Great video!
Any chance of a second part video with a 4770k or 8700k or similar?
hopefully similer results to this video , I have the i9 700k and hoping for the best when I get my 4080 super
I have a TUF 4090 and let me tell you that screwdriver/anti sag tool thing is absolutely brilliant! Keeps up the big boy, is quite heavy and high quality itself and is magnetic too, so no wiggling around
Im so glad i bought the i5-12400 for my budget pc. Its such a good cpu overall! Nice vid thanks!
Starfield once again shows off the uber optimization 😂
Haha yep
Incredible how outdated it looks for a 2023 game.
@@danielainger I don't have the game, but from footage it looks like a early PS3 game at times.
@@TrusteftTech I’ve played the game because it’s on Gamepass but you can’t tell Bethesda are stuck in the past.
@@danielaingerummm idk it looks good on my OLED monitor with maxed out settings especially in caves
Its nice to see KCD in your benchmark, just like 2-3 years ago😅
Nice one son! Good to see you getting a review sample of this beast. Interesting results and better than what I was expecting from the 12400F. But I think a game like Starfield, which demands a strong CPU, is probably an indication of a heavy bottleneck in CPU intensive multiplayer games.
Thats a thicc boi !!! Impressive temps though, even under load. Performance is as expected of course, those 4k framerates are well impressive. Thanks for the video, Steve 🙂
Probably one of the most original and helpful review of this "new" card
that's a classic Nep.
Cant overstate how useful this video was
Really suprised that the 12400f holds up so well
This is an awesome video, and I'd love to see more reviews like this from tech RUclipsrs. Well done!
I have looked everywhere for an article/video of this type. As others have said, some of us can't afford updating our entire system at once so we stagger video & then MB/CPU/Ram as we can afford. Seeing 4k gaming in this setup is something the big content creators should be doing & really aren't. You're a step ahead. Nice work fella!
very interesting review, appreciate the comparison with older hardware
The power draw comparison along with the CPU temps is pretty revealing. Pretty much same performance results. So all the extra cost of RAM, MB, PSU and other hardware seems to be overkill and a waste of money unless you use your PC for creating or serious intensive applications. Great comparison. Thank you.
I'm running a R5 5600x and soon to be a 4080 super. The i5-12400f & 5600x are very similar so this situation translates well. Thank you for the piece of mind!
Very good and practical demonstration with useful information.
Such a relief to see 12400 still going strong. I guess I don't need any upgrade unless I change the whole platform.
Interesting video RandomGamingHD. I've always wondered how bottle necked my CPU is if using higher resolutions with 3+ year old hardware. I wouldn't mind seeing more side by side comparisons with older platforms running these higher end GPU's. Thanks again for showing this match up!
Nice video. Shows how games are mostly gpu heavy . So you dont have to upgrade your cpu so often
So proud of our boy RG for getting those review samples.
Interesting video as always! I'm not sure if you'll read this comment, but in case you happen to: Could I make one minor recommendation about the formatting? I typically watch videos with subtitles on, and where you've placed the benchmark results the text box overlaps with the results you show - It could be nice to raise that up to a higher spot in the video for those of us who usually use subtitles. It's also not a pressing issue since the text can be moved around in the video player.
And if you did read this comment, thanks for taking the time to make these videos!
Great video, results are pretty much what I expected, but CPU manufacturers (especcially Intel) have done a really good job in making people believe that to be able to play on the highest settings settings you need the latest and greatest CPU, when in fact it takes load off your CPU to run on higher graphics settings.
On an unrelated note YT has once again unsubscribed me, I think this is the 3rd time I've had to re-sub...
Congrats on your sponsorship, glad u made the video.
You couldnt have dropped this video at a better time, ive been all over the internet the past week trying to find out if my I5-13400f would bottleneck the 4070 super/super ti im looking at and now i have a solid answer, thank you brother
Great video thanks for helping me make up my mind, I am happy to see my 12900k will pair well with my new 4080!
Tried the same processor with 4070ti and it was good but a bit bottleneck once fps reach the hundreds.
Never ever thought that it could also works decent for 4080. Great video !
It would do well even with 4090 if you target 60 FPS 😁
I bet you had fun with this one! Super duper job homie ✌️😜
Finally a review with a common upgrade scenario and settings that someone buying this card would actually aim for (i.e. using DLSS with RT). Thank you for this!
Excellent exhibit. Love how you keep it real for us little folks!
Great review, keep doing this type on future gpu's thanks!
really fun to watch, would love to see more stuff like this in the future. you are right lol, questions like this are quite common in reddit and the likes xD
Thank you, this gives me more confidents in getting the 4080 super TUF and running it with my i9-11900F.
Awesome, thanks so much for the tests🎉
Haha, this is almost me. I'm currently stuck with an i5-9600K (2018 build), waiting for Arrow Lake, but I picked up a 4080 Super yesterday just for 4K. I already have a 3080, and even at 1440p, a few select titles that actually use the CPU quite a bit (like BG3) actually struggles to maintain 60fps min at 100% CPU load. I figured the Super would be massively bottlenecked until later this year, but I guess it's just game dependent.
Great video. CPU usually only makes a significant difference when you have Denuvo running. XD
Love this. I have a rather strange setup of an 5600x and 3070TI both fully watercooled on a custom loop. I've been eyeing the 4080s as a potential next step up but was a little concerned it would be bottlenecked by the CPU. It's good to know I wouldn't leave too much performance on the table, now I just wish I could see Nvidia's roadmap for when the 5080 launches!
I did a similar thing and paired an R5 5600 with a TUF gaming 7900XTX. I then upgraded my CPU to a 5800x3d. The difference between the CPU's in benchmarks at 4k was exactly what you found. Maybe 1 or 2 fps average difference but the lows improved. Almost felt like Id wasted money on the upgrade but some of the newest games have utilised it more so I feel better about it now
Agree on this completely, enjoying my ryzen 5500 + 6950XT, running 80fps in High -> Alan Wake 2 (w/out RT) is simply amazing.
Great video! I have a suggestion: you should do tests like these in competitive games, especially Fortnite, because when it comes to competition, a stable 240fps on a 240Hz monitor is extremely important. I’d be curious to see how the card performs in a scenario like that. In games like Cyberpunk or The Witcher, if you have something between 70 to 120fps, I feel it’s more than enough.
Most of this I new from watching reviews, but it's great to see a direct 1 to 1 comparison to drive the point home. For New High End games (non E-Sports) it's really all about the Graphics card.
Nice twist on the traditional benchmark process and that is one beefy card, if it can pull off +60fps at either 1440p or 2160p pretty much maxed out!
Personally, if I had a GPU of this calibre, I'd definitely go with something like a 14900K CPU and a decent board, to get the most out of the GPU and also to not make the CPU as much of a limitation if dropping back to lower resolutions such as 1080p (I do not have a monitor that exceeds 1080p resolution).
Having said that, I'd go with a decent motherboard no matter what the setup, because only having 2 RAM slots is an unforgiving limitation, as is only having a single M.2 slot and 4 SATA ports.
Very glad you covered this. Gonna get a 12400f soon for my 3080. Mostly for RT, which my 9400f can't handle. Ill finally have a balanced pc, with the cpu headroom to upgrade my gpu in the future
No way your telling me that my little i5 12400 can provide similar results to a i9 14900k. Great Video!!
What we need is two tests.
An RTX 5090 upon release alongside a Pentium 4
And a GT 710 with the highest end CPU available at the time the 5090 comes out.
The ultimate pro gamer setup.
Awesome video! I always wondered about this.
Im upgrading from a 2600 and a gtx 1650 to this and a 7800x3d, this vid is perfect timing
Thanks, been waiting for this contemplating what I should do with my aging 6800K that I spent a fortune on back in 2016.
Very informative, and real life video. Will be pairing a Ryzen 7 5800X3D with the 4080S. Plan to only game in 4K but the games I play are not as intensive as shown. Expecting a good experience.
Thanks so much for attacking this question. The top channels (understandably) focus on benchmarking these cards using the latest and greatest complements in order to understand ceiling. That's all well and good, but when you're making practical decisions as a buyer, you need to know how much CPU you need to properly use the GPU without wasting money. This is a fantastic exploration to try and understand the nuances around that practical decision boundary.
Loved your review. Rarely do you see someone compare a lower gen processor along with one of the new ones. I'm actually waiting on the same exact card right now to come in within the week. Seems I'll be fine with my i-9 9900k.
Alan Wake 2 is weird. It still runs (maxed out settings) on a 15€ i7 2600K, but without DLSS not on a 2000€ Graphic card RTX 4090 😅
true 🤣
So my 3770k and 2060 has a chance.
@@iamperplexed4695 The 2060 is okay for low settings up to medium
This is a new Video idea for RandomGaminginHD!
This is actually great and means that AW2 is a perfectly optimized game in terms of CPU. Avatar is of the same type as well.
Those games, which need Super powerful GPU and super powerful CPU are the ones that truly frustrate me - Hogwarts, SWJS etc.
Air coolers are so good these days. Even the 14900k was staying reasonably cool. Excellent review.
Thank you for your work; it's a great video. I also noticed that the power draw difference between the i9 and i5 is 2x up to 3x for a 3% to 5% increase in performance. It's not worth it for me, considering the price difference, of course.
This is interesting to see
my friend (a so called professional in the computing industry) put together a system for another friend of mine.
He paired a 7950x3d with a 4060 (non TI)
When I told him he had a huge bottleneck and could have spent the money on a better gpu he was really salty about it.
I'm personally rocking a 9700k with a 3080 wich I got at launch for only 720EUR and I,m very happy with my system.
Only back in 2020 it was not possible to get a high end cpu with an upgrade path since amd and intel were both at the end of their cycle.
So i,m wondering what a 4080 would do in a system with a 9700k actually.
If you would come across a chanse to test this I would be eternally gratefull.
Big props to you and have a nice weekend buddy
My previous built was a i9-10900kf with rtx3080 and the CPU was sleeping most of the time... when I upgraded towards a DDR5 platform, I went for a i5-13600kf and a Radeon 7900XTX.... and I'm pretty happy gaming with in in 4K.
Thank you for the videos I have an i5 12600k ddr4 mb and about to upgrade my 1080 to either a 4080 or 4090, now I know they won't be throttled that bad
Super helpful. Tempted to upgrade my stalwart 1080-ti, mainly for MSFS. Still running an i7-8700K @ 5.1ghz. Or should I wait for the 5000 series???
I used to have an I7 2700K (overclocked at 4.8Ghz though!) paired with a 2080 Super and I remember that it was the first time the CPU was actually suffering a tad. However, I was totally able to play Doom Eternal at 4K and 60fps, even with my super old CPU. In my experience, for gaming you can keep the CPUs a few years and they are still fine. Yeah, you may have some stuttering here and there, but if you are not into competitive FPS it is OK 😊 The main problem I see, in the long run, is that eventually you end using lots of power when you keep the old CPU, even if it keeps up. I am currently using a 13900KS and it is so power hungry that i really don't see myself either overclocking it much or keeping it for 10 years.
ey channel W getting review sample edit: actually great point tackling how much bottleneck, fits the theme of the channel.
This is exactly the vid I was looking for! I have an old I9 9700k and a 750w psu! Fingers crossed this will do ok until I can afford to upgrade the rest ( getting a 4080 super) Will the i9 9700k be ok 'ish as well?
the intro felt like one that Iceberg Tech would do haha
worth an upgrade from 3080.
i currently have 5600x but will be getting a 58000x3d soon
Thankyou for this video, and shows how good the i5 is, it would be nice to see the same games and test at 4k to see hoe the i5 then compares. Any chance of you doing this?
Just proves why I hate mainstream media testing only 1080p because it makes people believe even in 4k the difference will be massive and it isnt at all. Very small in most. But it will helps your lows but then again these freaking budget cpus are monsters compared to past. The 13400f matches the 12600k and the 13600k matches the 12900k. Pretty insane. Most games in 4k only need a few cores believe it or not to function correctly. 1 core is rough as we have seen tested so if you get a 4080 qnd want to game 4k you dont need the 7800x3d or the 14900k. Is it nice? Yes but its not needed. The 13600k imo is the perfect cpu for that balance. Enough to be able to game in 1080p without to much of a bottleneck. 1440p gaming is amazing and then 4k is perfection. The 4k results are almoat identical to the 14900k even in the lows! So enjoy and save you some money because gpus matter 10x more and whenever i see peoppe say i got a 7800x3d and noticed a massive difference in my average fps im like yeah ok 1080p gamer. Then they make it out like it was 4k. Im like no maybe a select few games but its not massive.
As long as you know your target resolution/ frame rate and games you would like to play don't let anyone tell you there's a bottle eck.
I went from a GTX 760 to an RX 580 on an FX 6300 and it worked great on 8th generation games at 1800p 30 FPS high. That GPU upgrade gave me 4 more years of PC gaming for cheap.
Now this is why this channel is the most relatable pc gaming channel in all of youtube.
I am loving that I can go from my PC's Forza Horizon 5, fly about the place in my MK1 Escort Cossie or my much loved Metro 6R mental motor (have driven a real one) then go onto my Xbox One and pick up where I left off... then back to the PC and back again loaded up ready to tear up some more Mexical roads. Currently torturing myself with LotR: Gollum, bought it for a few quid and whilst it has some quirk and charm... its not even in the same universe as Return to Moria lol
That video card costs more than my car.
Thanks for this, I just got 4070 super and that bottleneck gremlin did pop into my head where I am rocking the 12400f myself. put that sucker to bed with the quickness.
Interesting comparison. Seems like CPU become bottleneck now. I'm curious about 1080p results. Is it worth to buy that brick-size monster for 1080p.
Perfect, thats what I was looking for!👍🙌😎
I had a similar experience with a Ryzen 5600X + RX 7800 XT combo. I was for sure convinced that the 5600x wouldn't bottleneck the 7800XT but dang it wouldn't go over 70% usage in some games at all. Had to upgrade to a 5800X3D to solve that problem. Which also forced me to buy a new cooler, but whatever, you can always re-use your cooler in a new system later down the line.
This was very interesting to see. The averages were all pretty much identical, just the little stuttery bits were worse on the older CPU. Obviously people are going on about how it would be worse at 1080P because the CPU would bottleneck but you'd clearly be getting playable frame rates--use a FPS limiter if you're really that worried about the stutters! I tend to run a CPU through several generations of GPU before upgrading (in the case of my i7 2600 I ran it through 8 generations!) and the only bad part is the keyboard warriors telling you how poorly your PC will run (except it doesn't).
It's marketing and it's working... They miss out the part of getting out the best of what you have. It's nowadays like: " Newest CPU is 5%-10% faster than previous gen making it obsolete 😅!!!!!!!!!"
Super useful in the real world. Thank you
Excellent, thank you! I have a non Super 4080 on the way and wondered if my 13500 with DDR5 would NOT do it justice at 1440p/144hz (max of my monitor), but it looks like I'll be fine trying some RT titles!
the overhead CPU figures on the I9 would mean you could do some cpu tasks in the background while also gaming, perhaps render a video or listen to music with chrome open in the background etc
Yeah good point
That KCD performance is crazy. I have a i9 9900kf and I know it's a bit older but I get nothing but micro stutter in npc heavy areas. This has been a frustration of mine for years. Currently running an XTX and if I want to get rid of the stuttery frames I have to turn settings way way down. On ultra I get plenty of fps but the frametime graph looks like criminal taking a polygraph.
Thank you so much for this. I have been wondering if a decent 750 watt PSU would be sufficient for 4080 super and how much of a bottleneck my 6 core CPU would make above 1080p resolution. This video made that clear.
Why other tech channels ignore this type of scenarios, some people don't have the budget for complete system upgrade, they may upgrade "this" now, "that" later, one by one as their budget would allow.
It always depends on your use case. I always need high cache, high frequency CPU’s as I mainly play tarkov, GPU can be anything mid range but it always has been the cpu I cared about.
I run almost the exact system you tested in the video except I have more ram. Not as ridiculous as you think. People spend way too much money on their processors in gaming only PCs. My 12400 has lasted me 3 video card upgrades now and at 4k which I exclusively game at shows a very small frame rate difference. My 4080 Super is definitely the last card I’ll run with it as there is some bottleneck now. Once the new Ryzens hit I’ll upgrade to their cheapest 8 core more than likely and do the whole thing over again. 😅 Oh and I also run my system on a Seasonic 650 watt power supply that’s been going strong for over 6 years now. Stop buying extremely overkill PSUs! Quality>>>>>wattage.
Great video. My prebuilt has 11700k, which likely is same ballpark as that 12th gen. Nicw to see i dont need the latest and greatest . Im playing at 3440 x 1440
What about gaming on 1440p ? Will the experience be similar what you have shown here with games on 4K ?
Really impressed with the 12400F for power usage in gaming. And this is someone with an undervolted 5800X3D.
The 14900K on the other hand is a space heater in comparison lol.