Two Great Reasons to Have An Engine 😅
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- This is the story how having an engine saved the day twice, and meant a nice meal at the club house at dinner time, rather than sitting in a field for hours waiting for a vehicle to get to me. And it saved me the money of another tow. Most days you don't need it, but when you do it's great to have.
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00:00 Intro
01:21 Launch
02:13 Re-Launching myself
02:59 Starting the Task
05:12 Timelapse & Tracking to the top turnpoint
06:08 Tracking South West
07:38 Timelapse South West
08:01 Getting into trouble
10:18 Engine Start to save an Outlanding
10:39 Ride Home
11:33 Results and Landing
08:15 Me landing badly outro :) 
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Ok, that slammed wagon towing a glider is now my favorite thing ever in this world. That thing was a beauty, the glider was cool too!
Ha I won't tell the owner, it'll go straight to his head :)
Think it's an Audi RS6 avant or A6 s line
I like the “gotta be something around here” comment”, know the feeling well. Used to fly a DG 400 with engine and it certainly saved those long car or aero tow retrieves. Nice video.
Never mind about the gliding, that scenery is amazing. Always fancied going to NZ, it looks like just my sort of country. Hope to visit one day.
Not bad is it :)
Engine powered gliders are the best! Always enjoying flying them.
Agreed!
Interesting reasons for an engine on a glider. The scenery is breathtaking.
Those are the two main reasons, glad you liked it!
I appreciate your honesty! 😂
Thanks! Well pretending everything's perfect all the time won't help
"I am going to *trick* through the mountains" - I was waiting to learn this new trick... Until, I finally understood this is just your accent, not tricks - just *tracks!* LOL - Great video, again!
Haha you're welcum mate!
Trick.. track... Or was it trek? 🤔😂 We love ya Tim. Keep em coming!
Trek - I think.
I honestly really like the engineering put into the sustainer on your ship. It's really clever and simple.
It's cool eh! Cheers
Another nice video! The South Island is something special. Keep them coming.
Glad you like them! I still have a whole national championships in Omarama to cover!! 😬
That area looks familiar, and those stations look nicely topdressed ;-) Great videos mate!
Hey Jimbo, thanks mate, yip they looked dressed to the nines! Love your vids too, keep it up!
Thanks for another great vlog. The chart of the task at 10:35 was particularly interesting. You mention thermals when close to some ridges on a couple of occasions. Whilst undoubtedly there will be thermal activity, I imagine in those areas (in close proximity to ridges) you ought to expect ridge lift (where the air is hitting the ridges perpendicularly) or where air flowing up/down the valleys is hitting a slope (again at right angles). The prevalent wind direction or local wind direction should dictate where ridge lift might be available & when combined with sun on say a rocky slope, the ridge lift is strongest where one is as close as sensibly safe to the hill, mountain or ridge. Quite often that will be over the top of the ridge. Your chart doesn't show the wind direction (and it's a hard thing to appreciate from watching a video) but I'm sure thinking & anticipating where the wind might hit a slope at right angles and then getting close to that slope and looking for the ridge lift is where the lift is likely to be. Looking for clouds and sun is complementary, but in the mountains a secondary issue in my experience. I don't mean to be an armchair critic, but I find myself willing you to talk about the wind and get on the windy side of the ridges you explore rather than sun & thermals whilst in the mountains. Your videos are great and I must say I look forward to every one. Thanks and good luck.
Hi Graeme, there wasn't much wind that day, except that valley wind that was very low level only. Which was helping kill the thermals. So no ridge soaring, only thermal heat, and not enough of that too... thus the need for my motor! Thanks for watching, glad you're enjoying them.
Wonderful video Sir. Thanks for sharing!
No no, thank you for watching!
A glider favourite sound, beep, beep, beep. OOOOO! Beep beep beep beep beep beep!!!
Cor that Engine does kick up a racket lol. Sound like it's vibrating through the entire plane!
Yeah they aren't known for being smooth that's for sure. Basically it's like a lawnmower just behind me
2 strokes are notoriously heavy on the vibration scale haha
Its always better to be rich than to be poor :)
Agreed!
Yep - Going to New Zealand sometime for Vacation and some soaring.
Learned another neat little "tip" in addition to the 2 yaw string from a few videos ago. on the "Results & Landing" segment (aprox 11:30) I noticed the rag thrown over the Iphone/Flight Computer. I fly with an Ipad Mini and on the warm summer days with bright sun I can occasionally battle with it over heating. The rag thrown over it occasionally when not using it would make a difference. Another neat little discovery.
Yeah exactly why it was there! The screen on the iPhone dims when it gets too hot, making it almost impossible to see. I need to make a shroud. So that cloth was my makeshift solution. That cloth is also handy for cleaning my glasses and the canopy in flight!
I have flown in both, there is no comparison Motors every time. Let me qualify that remark, I used to go to my neighborhood glider port after taking care of the horses I saw little board sign down a dirt road that said glyder port since I've never seen one I would take a ride. I sawped a days sign pulling, line handling and wing running for a 3000' flite. One of the most memorable days. later i did the same thing and got a ride I asked do I need to get the rope? He laughed and said no. He never talked much, He press a button and up out of the back comes this little propeller. A waye of relief came over me. Now i have ultimate confidence in my pilot. He has been towing signs daily over Miami and Ft. Lauderdale for years. But I could not deny the feeling. I hope to solo before my next birthday and I've joined the SSA. your videos and my big mouth are at fault. thanks tim
Hey that's awesome to hear! Good luck with your flying
Cool flight, much nicer then my flatlands 😁
Thanks 👍
Oh how I want to come soaring down there.. looks like some fun
It is amazing flying! well maybe not this day, but usually it is :) hopefully you'll be able to come down here sometime soon
your videos are awesome. theyve made me really want to get into this... i thought gliders were just tow up and coast back down to your airstrip... i had no idea about cros country, nor aersobaaatic sailplanes. and ive been an airplane geek my whole life, i always just kinda overlooked gliders as more of just a gimmick a ski lift.... you really opened my eyes, and also got me looking at aersobatic gliders... turns out i have a club 30 minutes from my house thats a Alexader Schleicher dealer, training center, and has a gorgeous rental fleet including an MDM-1 Fox! really glad i ran across your channel! im in California, New Zealand looke beautiful, i also now want to visit there, my dad has been a few times when Coaching Rugby teams. Go All Blacks! they were his fav International team. mine also... one random question, what crop(s) are they growing in the average paddock in NZ, thats flat and landable? most paddocks around me are nowhere near that flat, those look like golf courses... ours are all covered in iirrigation rows or furrows or berms/ridges,,, still landable just very directional,, yours dont appear to have these in general... cheers.
Well you don’t have to worry about fuel. I’m no pilot but I love watching this, it’s fascinating.
Only a little bit of worry about fuel! It’s certainly not an emergency if I run out, more of a “back to normal”!
good one PG thanks
Thanks Alian!
I used your video to sail in safety of my chair. I hope you are not disturbed by my presence on this flight :-)
Haha no not weird at all 😐😝
Looking good. Today was a first solo for me in a aircraft that spins its wings round and round.
Hey that's awesome, well done! Would be a fun hobby, but I can barely afford wings that don't go round and ground...
@@PureGlide yeah. I basically don't spend money on anything but those roundabout wings at the moment.
Congrats on your solo. 👍
The wings of the “Whirly- bird” does have a high aspect ratio, just like a glider. 😁
Loved the scene-setting at the airfield, nice work!
Thanks Luke! yeah bit more interesting eh? Tricky because I'll do more now, but of course you won't see the results for months...
a real
a really nice video
Thanks mate!
Cirrus JK looks nice. I keep thinking of a self launching Cirrus or a FES Cirrus.
:O
Cool video!... As long as you have options to land you are good.. Nice to have a sustainer.. I wonder what your minimum height above ground is to start it, you already seem pretty low before doing the dive! I see you basicly dive to the paddock you could land on if the engine does not start, but when to decide to stop trying?!
I do not have this problem, no engine in my Mini Nimbus.. If I get low, I simply have to land. LOL!
BTW spectacular scenery with the snow covered mountains!
Flown my first competiton last weekend, after almost 2 years, felt so good to see everybody again, ended at 5th place, but I dont care, I had so much fun flying competition again, that is all that matters.. having fun!
Greetings from The Netherlands.
You have the right attitude: Having fun is indeed all that matters! 😀👍
Thanks Marco, glad you enjoyed it! I recommend starting the motor at least 1000 feet above the ground. If you are more experienced you can lower that a bit. Cheers, keep having fun!
Two restarts last week had me rethinking my safety margins. Get over the airfield before restarting, and have the margin to do so.
Yeah absolutely critical to be within glide of a safe landing spot before getting the engine out. As soon as it's out it's like opening the brakes a bit.
The first one I was just out of range of the airfield so used those good fields underneath me. And same with the second, there was an airstrip around there, but I couldn't find it, so used a couple of fields that looked safe as my landing option. My primary goal is never to be in a place I can't land safely.
Yeah I wouldn't even extend the engine until overhead. That's just me. I'd hate to misjudge it or miss a key feature of the field. I like Tim's final leg of pattern restart concept. Seems like it would leave you a bit fast, but with extra drag if it doesn't start. I do like that. And if it does start: surprise! It runs! I just hope if it doesn't make full power the low height causes issues.
I like to start it on downwind into a field, then you can change the size of the circuit as needed. Just like a brakes stuck open exercise.
As always - fantastic scenery and video. Question: if you use an engine twice to gain altitude aren't their penalties in tasks/competitions? If so how are they calculated?
Great question, so:
- At the start, you're allowed to restart with your engine in the same area that the tow plane drops you off.
- During the flight, if you start your engine, it's the same as landing in a field.
So that's why I went straight home after starting the engine, I couldn't get any more points after the engine starts.
We have a data logger that records both my location and if the engine is going or not, so I can't sneakily use the engine.
@@PureGlide Thanks for the answer. Is there a restriction on how high you can climb with the engine when you restart?
@@PureGlide Thank you. I suspected that as the answer. This channel is fast becoming THE gliding place to come to. Your presentation, videos and pure pleasure you take from your enviable landscapes are a great contrast to the stuffy output by most UK gliding clubs who could learn much from your laid-back style.
When I was actively flying back in the eighties, I was blessed to fly out of California City in the Mojave desert in Southern California. It was not unusual to experience a 16,000' base, sometimes as high as 21,000'! I'm curious what you can expect in your neck of the woods. In the eastern half of the US, base typically drops to around 8000'.
Well, around the South Island mountains, 7000-8000 feet is good. This day you can see I was at 4000-6000, so not quite enough for my liking :) Up in the North Island, we have 3000-6000 feet AGL thermals most of the time.
@@PureGlide thanks!👍
Thanks for having us along for the ride!
What was your minimum terrain clearance? Those mountains didn't look especially inviting for a glider landing site...
What make & Model aircraft are you flying? Does it qualify as a motor glider, self launching sailplane, or is the motor only used as a sustainer?
Hi it's a Schempp-Hirth Ventus cT. Not self launching, but yes it's a motor glider. Check out the video about the engine for more details ruclips.net/video/T-KYoFGJp5o/видео.html I'd always make sure I'm at least a few meters above the rocks :)
So do you have to windmill start that engine? It seemed liked it fired up into that small dive.
Yeah exactly right, there is no starter on it
If God wanted us to motor glide, he would have given us propellers.
Well I got one, so I guess it was my destiny to use it!
Tim what is your tank size and how long is your run time/speed with it. I'm looking at gliders, but I really don't think I want one without a sustainer.
Hi, 15L tank, gives about an hour of run time. Very rare I run it longer than about 10 mins to get out of trouble. Max range is 450km by sawtoothing
@@PureGlide Thanks Tim. I found it again on the 5 mins vid. I'm just north of Sydney Oz and although I have the Hunter valley, my main interest is Lake Keepit near Tamworth. I don't think I'll get a glider without a sustainer, 450k's is half way from Sydney to Brisbane or from bourke back to Lake Keepit, pretty freaky stuff and to not be worried about out landing is just amazing.
What glider are you in? Is it just a sustainer motor or can you also do ground take offs?
Hi it's a Ventus cT. Not it's only for in-air use, it's not powerful enough to take off and I don't have a throttle. The advantage is it's a lot simpler.
Wow an engine on a glider sounds pretty awesome. Is there any prospect of doing semi distance flying or is it more of a hobby than transportation
Yeah there are two main problems: First, I can’t launch myself again. Secondly, I have no luggage space. So that does not make it a great touring glider. However there are some gliders designed to do that. Cheers!
@@PureGlide ok yea that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for the explanation.
Do rocky and sunny slopes provide a good lift when you fly very close to it ? I don't mean a ridge lift, from the wind.
Yeah can do, it's anywhere the heat can rise off the surface, and usually needs something to trigger it. Much like a drip of water rolling down a ceiling. As soon as it hits something, it falls off. Similar with thermals, but going up!
@@PureGlide 🤔
Hey, Tim, Question: I like the intro music; what is it called?
Hi here it is for your enjoyment! ruclips.net/video/7ZJSmORH9MQ/видео.html
@@PureGlide I LOVE it, Thanks Mate! :-)
Motor not engine but still really cool 😉
Power station!
Your cuts are a little abrupt on this one. You might want to add in some transitions to make it smoother. Also, you have some of your paperwork reflected in the canopy during some of your shots, and we can see your reflection most of the time. A circular polarizing filter might help that. Fun channel to watch. :-) Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the feedback!
How long can your motor run?
It has a 15 litre fuel tank. The manual says it should let me travel about 450km in saw tooth flying (i.e. I use the engine to climb, put it away, glide, then get the engine out again to climb and repeat). I can't remember the amount of time of engine running, but it would be hours. Longest run I've done in one flight is about half an hour.
Nice flight ! What’s your caméra model?
Thank you! That's a GoPro Hero 8 on my shoulder, and a ZV-1 for other uses. Check the description for links, I have the gear listed there. Cheers!
Is it recommendable for a glider pilot to have also some experience in power flight?
Not really, more the other way around :) Generally though, the more experience you have in different things, the better! Be it different types of gliders, aircraft, or just life in general...
@@PureGlide thank you!
I have to say my experience in owoered aircraft saved my bacon the other day. Cylinder head temp issue - I'll leave it at that.
Shouldn't you be able to fly without the map in this area?
Good question, I didn’t know the area very well so probably did use the map a bit. Also the gps gives us distances to get back etc
I need a glider.
With an AEIO-320-D2B
We all need a glider IMO :)
How many hours of gliding until you can fly in mountains like that?
It's definitely a more advanced skill, so I'd recommend getting. Most important is to go get some mountain flying training. A lot of mountain sites offer week long training courses to help. So not really hours specific.
Thank you. I’m a private pilot and I live in San Diego California. They always scared us about flying anywhere near the mountains. We do have a pretty cool gliding set up in Warner Springs nearby.
Is there any particular reason why gliders come only in white?
Yeah heat is bad for the fibreglass. Anything non-white gets a lot hotter than white in the sun, so most of the glider has to be white.
The fibre glass or more specifically the resin do not have a melting point, but fepending on the resin used it starts getting weaker from a certain temperature, so the glider might start to deform. That is why they come in white. Earlier wooden planes are found in many colors.
Why are they so jerky on the controls?
Not sure when you mean, but my wings are 18m, the roll rate is quite slow, so sometimes I have to.
And.....a motor gives you the exciting possibility of dying in a fiery crash!!!
lol well gotta make it more exciting somehow!
Don't need a motor for that.....
@@soaruk3697 To get the fiery effect, you will need one.
@@adamtaylor31 No an exploding oxygen bottle, malfunctioning battery or left open canopy can all equally give you the 'fiery effect'
Been waiting for natural gas powered motors. Skip the funeral and go straight to spreading the ashes. Saves a lot of money. Hope this dark thread doesn't discourage anyone lol.
What are the downsides of having an engine?
A simple engine like this:
- The glider costs a bit more to buy.
- It costs a bit more to have your annual checks done.
- Maintenance, it requires replacement rubber seals and parts every 5 years or so.
Luckily it's just a 2 stroke, similar to a lawnmower, so almost the same amount of maintenance! Not as bad as I thought it might be, and well worth it IMO.
@@PureGlide Thanks!
One great reason is to preach to others how to glide, when the others actually take to the sky with no engine.
I’ve done over 70 out-landings in the last 15 years, so I don’t mind having a break from it
NZ!
Woot!
5:39 the race track
Not bad eh :)
@@PureGlide Magnificent Tim! :-) I mentioned this also as it's not in the timestamp list (yet) and interesting information as a viewer. Much greetings from the Netherlands, watching your channel with great respect in pleasure!
I wanted some engine for Hangliding too. I was thinking about a blackpowder rocket to gain about 1000ft. My calculations result in a bit of a heavy rocket in the keel with a long burntime of about 100s. But nowadays an e-motor will do the job. See Reindar Berntsen: ruclips.net/video/uwgXp8c6wJc/видео.html
Interesting! I had a powered hangglider fly overhead today
And you call yourself “Pure Glide”?! 😋
Just joking, good to know that extra weight (engine) can be useful. 👍
Why do you need to dive (lose more precious height) when starting the engine?
Haha the name is an ironic name...
The engine is started by airflow over the propeller blades, so we have to build up some speed so it starts. And of course to build up speed in a glider we have to nose down. Called a 'dive start'. It's not far off hill starting a car in theory.
The advantage is there is no engine starting system, so there's less to go wrong.
@@PureGlide Ok, good to know.
Also the weight saving of not having a starter motor and big battery, I guess?
@@Johan-ex5yj that's the idea. But also makes testing the engine more tricky. Tim - how do you ground test the engine?
@@TheSoaringChannel Not a pilot but if I’m allowed to guess I’d try:
1. Pull start like a mower or outboard
2. Some sort of long attachment to a drill that keeps you a safe distance from the blades
3. Take it outside in Wellington and point it into the wind. ;-)
@@rednaughtstudios I like option 3, but don’t forget to tie it down or it may fly away all on its own!! 😲
One good reason not to have an engine, it's a glider, not a powered aircraft
I'm wearing my "Zero Engine Rating" tshirt today too. Get yours today! pureglide.nz
"its a glider" when the umbilical cord gets cut...
Real glider pilots don't have an engine.
How many out-landings have you done oh real glider pilot?
This real Glider Pilot achieved Three REAL Diamonds in a Discus 2CT. In Wales UK. Didn't think about the engine once. You carry a mobile phone? Use a Oudie or LX? Fly a glass glider? Old Glider pilots never had such luxury. It's just advancement in technology. Get real you moaning windbag.
As a guy who actually flies a pure glider, and has looked up at the fellows motoring away from the field I just landed in, I think it's pretty cheeky to call this channel "Pure Glide" ... especially when the glider featured in this channel is a motorglider!
I know it's an ironic name :) To be fair when I started the channel I had a DG-300...
Engine restart by diving from 200m... I really hope you were in the circuit or at least over an outlanding field for that one! Glider sustainers/turbo's/self-starter engines aren't exactly known for their stellar reliability. I think most clubs around my part of the world (Netherlands and west germany) have a rule stating engine start should be started before passing 350m and attempts to start should simply be stopped and the glider landed (engine out) if you pass 200m. Too many pilots have been injured or lost from trying to get a stubborn engine to start right until they hit the deck, the added distraction contributing to bad landings.
Yeah absolutely was over a field, the chance of it not starting is quite high. And I've practiced landing with it extended too, so I know how much sink it creates. And yes I agree you shouldn't be starting it too low. Cheers
Glider = no engine . The rest are excuses
Live and let live. The rest is just envy.
Yeah I haven’t landed in a field in over a year. It’s a pain in the ass always getting back to the airfield in time for dinner.
@@PureGlide And don’t forget about the safety aspect of avoiding a risky landing in some farmer’s field!
Cheat - lol.
Yip! and glad I did
No thanks. Just watching was trauma inducing.
Wasn’t that bad! Lots of fun. Worst case I would have landed in a field :)
@@PureGlide Gotta admire anyone doing that gliding over treacherous mountain terrain like that. As beautiful as it is, I'll just enjoy it from my armchair. Great video!!
Rather rude and crude. Thumbs down.
Hello, thanks for watching!