The problem with match ups like these is there literally no incentive for one character to interact with the other. Like why would hurt approach Dk literally is no benefit for his character. And WTF IS DK SUPPOSED TO DO.
@ yeah but the problem with your theory is “take advantage of any chance” when you playing the best snake in the world that ain’t gonna happen often. But definitely doable in elite smash for sure.
Chunky was the reason I got into watching competitive smash back during the WiFi Covid days. I love seeing him competitive at a tourney like this with dk. Makes me happy
@@tristinyaeger9222 Have you taken a second to think about why a heavy mobile character that hits like a truck, can chase and break cypher easily, has two specials that insta break shield if he's holding a nade and has ding dong against a tall floaty with a frame 4 airdodge would do fine against Snake
the commentators are rightly giving Chunkykong his flowers as a Donkey Kong GOAT but MildnaH.O actually has a win on Hurt I believe! (also lest we forget that Rarikkusu has beaten Sparg0/Cosmos/Asimo)
Chunky is so insane with his MU knowledge, the things he pulled of with grenade play, spacing and punishes is just next level. But sadly you can be the fucking best at this game but if your character limits you, you'll always struggle. It's a shame seeing DK have a solid lead and always think "naaah it's still even for snake"
Hurt didn't outplay ChunkyKong. He outmatchup'd him. But what people don't realise is that that's totally okay. That's how you play those kind of matchups.
Obv the MU is garbo, but it also was just a lot of better playering on jump callouts and stuff. Optimal DK has been wack since melee ill always be a hater😭 (respect to chunky tho)
No idea why people think Snake is cool, one of the lamest characters in the game. Steve-tier camping, but because there's projectiles moving instead of just mining people are convinced that it's entertaining
It's an unpopular opinion but I generally agree with you about Snake. I would say sometimes though, I see people playing agressively even with camping characters. Like Sonix, yes people hate Sonic, and I hate Sonic too due to its playstyle, but frankly, I've seen Sonix quite often recently playing agressively and it's a treat to watch honestly. When he camps though, that's boring for sure. The only character that's an exception is Steve. I've never seen Steve players not camping. There is a degree of camping that varies among characters. Some are more camping than others.
I heard so much about "Hurt is so cool, Hurt is such a hype player, I hope Hurt becomes #1 because I'd watch more tournaments" and then the very first set of his I watched was him spending 25 minutes camping out Tea. Fastest falloff of my opinion of a player ever
@@MyRegularNameWasTaken The few times I've seen Hurt playing Acola, I always thought Hurt was so cool playing Snake. But yes, otherwise, it's typically what you expect from Snake. Not very exciting gameplay. There are few characters that seem to play a game on their own, eg, Steve, Sonic, Snake. Sure, people complain that some characters were made too good, such as Rob or GnW, but I don't see them boring to watch, unlike Snake or Steve. The best example of this illustration is when I saw a Fox player (I think it was Light) playing Snake (ApolloKage, I think), and I remember everytime Light attempts to combo, he gets immediately interrupted in the air because AK keeps mashing B, so Fox explodes often whenever he Snake. That reminds me of when I play Bayonetta 2 against some bosses, especially, Lumen Sage. He counters me each time I start a combo, and it's exceedingly difficult to even finish a combo, even a short combo such as PKP or PPKP. So playing Snake is just like playing "bullet hell" shoot 'em up, with the added difficulty that it can be tough to combo him if he spams B when being combo'd. I understand that people are fan of some characters, but unfortunately, the idea that all characters were created equal is a zombie idea that keeps coming and unfortunately never dies.
Japan best solo DK beat hurt this year. DK can many counterplay like edge guard or wide renge of dingdong for snake actually. Chunky should learn from japan DK.
Zoners, especially ones that powerful, shouldn't have the insane frame data and easy kill power he does. It's just bad game design. As much as people dislike Mii Gunner, I think he's the best designed (zoner) character in the game. He's powerful at a distance, but has very bad frame data and a horrendous disadvantage state up close. That's called a balanced character. Snake is a textbook zoner without any of the weaknesses that usually comes with a zoner.
I cant believe that people consider spamming grenades good gameplay 🤦 I will die alone on this hill and idc but hurt shouldve been disqualified for not interacting and no throwing grenades from halfway across the stage is not interacting Its literally like in melee they had to install a legde regrab limit cuz the person at ledge has nothing to lose and the person above has everything to lose Its unsportsmanlike to utterly refuse to approach your opponent and force a disadvantageous approach from your opponent If you disagree i could care less
![UltCore 4th[LTOP6] あcola(ホムラヒカリ,スティーブ) VS Hurt(スネーク) #スマブラSP](/img/1.gif)
The problem with match ups like these is there literally no incentive for one character to interact with the other. Like why would hurt approach Dk literally is no benefit for his character. And WTF IS DK SUPPOSED TO DO.
Trade with grenades and take advantage of any chance of pressing an edgeguard
DK just suffers from being big but heavies vs snake is so doable
@ yeah but the problem with your theory is “take advantage of any chance” when you playing the best snake in the world that ain’t gonna happen often. But definitely doable in elite smash for sure.
you have never fought a good snake with a heavy
Honestly though, there is no honor in playing like hurt is. I understand it’s a tournament but he lost all my respect playing like a bitch.
Fuck Hurt. It’s fucking donkey Kong! God this video makes me so mad. Chunky worked so hard to get there and he gets this garbage. Errrrrr
_Welcome to this three hour video essay where I try to answer the age old question: Does DK canonically know what grenades are?_
Chunky's neutral was so good here, but Hurt's was just as good - and he had the matchup advantage
10:24-10:45 That whole sequence was crazy.
Bro he even was ready with the c4, of chunky rolled back he would have died too. Mans had every option covered what a horrible match up😭😭
Bro he even was ready with the c4, of chunky rolled back he would have died too. Mans had every option covered what a horrible match up😭😭
"All these grenades, it's like our country's military spending" LMFAO let them know coney🤣🤣
Fun fact. The standard grenade costs like $45.
14:24 To answer that question, up tilt isn't true at that percent, but f-tilt is and will get the kill given how unlikely DK would fall out.
Snake just spamming up smash at the end is so funny lmao, he doesn't even need to bother playing the game
Chunky was the reason I got into watching competitive smash back during the WiFi Covid days. I love seeing him competitive at a tourney like this with dk. Makes me happy
1:37 is just a few fellas having a game of catch :)
Tweek commentating DK was fun. You can tell he loves the character.
ドンキーの体デカすぎてニュートラルの手榴弾拒否れないのおもろすぎる
Game 3 commentary is some of the funniest I've ever heard, well done
Hurtさん本当に上手い
ドンキー側が近付く手段ないなら近距離拒否を徹底すべきだし取るべき所でしっかりリターン取ってるのまじで最強スネーク
That m.u is buns for DK.
To put it mildly
Bro knows nothing about the game
@@willycheez7218 me?
@@willycheez7218 Wtf you yapping about. This is cheeks for DK.
@@tristinyaeger9222 Have you taken a second to think about why a heavy mobile character that hits like a truck, can chase and break cypher easily, has two specials that insta break shield if he's holding a nade and has ding dong against a tall floaty with a frame 4 airdodge would do fine against Snake
All I imagine when I see this matchup is the traumatized soldier meme😂
This matchup is rough for DK. Mad respect to Chunky
Yep. Also mad respect to Hurt's mash. That shit was getting out of DK grab at 70-80% before DK even jumped from the platform for the dingdong
Not much rough for DK,DK can do ding dong in many percent and he is heavy,in fact japan DK beat hurt this year.
It's really not it's like dead even
the commentators are rightly giving Chunkykong his flowers as a Donkey Kong GOAT but MildnaH.O actually has a win on Hurt I believe! (also lest we forget that Rarikkusu has beaten Sparg0/Cosmos/Asimo)
It was MildnaH.O. & Rarikkusu damn near reverse 3-0'd Hurt at Maesuma U22 this year.
Chunky is so insane with his MU knowledge, the things he pulled of with grenade play, spacing and punishes is just next level. But sadly you can be the fucking best at this game but if your character limits you, you'll always struggle. It's a shame seeing DK have a solid lead and always think "naaah it's still even for snake"
"*beep beep* Donkey Kong detected. Locked on. *beep beep*"
Yo, Hurt’s snake is crazy 😂
It could have been based on just camping, but that 3 reverse stock in game 2 was incredible
2:12
Bro is 100% using turbo function.
He broke out of that faster than a level 9 cpu could have
Hurt didn't outplay ChunkyKong. He outmatchup'd him. But what people don't realise is that that's totally okay. That's how you play those kind of matchups.
Having a competent pocket is a skill ppl
Bro I haven't seen someone with this good of a mash since the guy who won Mainstage retired...
Hurt might have better mash ngl that was FAST
Literally camping
lmfao the casters talking about the dk camping and the custom moves
0/10 set, Chunky was camping too much.
So was hurt
@@Todozawooooosh
@@benJAMMIN634 I’ve been bamboozled
I’m used to watching apollokage’s snake, this is a snoozefest
Hurt saying chunky was camping here is crazy, as if he wasnt just sitting in the corner throwing grenades the whole time
Obv the MU is garbo, but it also was just a lot of better playering on jump callouts and stuff.
Optimal DK has been wack since melee ill always be a hater😭 (respect to chunky tho)
I’m getting kinda sleepy 8:34
Is Snake campy, or is Dk a lower tier? 🤔
DK is a lower tier but snakes gameplay is reliant on camping
Solidier vs STINKY POOP MONKEY
レバガチャ早すぎるw
Long before the rise of the steve sonic and game and watch meta, snake was the character that made me never want to play this game competitively
hurt is amazing
hurt was playing just dance for that second game LMFAO
You mean Hurt is a better dancer than Chunky, right?
(Chunky was just dancing as well)
I don’t even play smash but this was incredibly corny to watch
Goddamn this video pissed me off so bad lol
Hurt isn't "probably" the best Snake in the World lol he's by far the best period. why are americans like this
Cause American smashers are a bunch of pussies. I say as an American smashers lol
What do you mean why are Americans like this. That’s kind of racist if you think about it.
No idea why people think Snake is cool, one of the lamest characters in the game. Steve-tier camping, but because there's projectiles moving instead of just mining people are convinced that it's entertaining
Always thought this
It's an unpopular opinion but I generally agree with you about Snake. I would say sometimes though, I see people playing agressively even with camping characters. Like Sonix, yes people hate Sonic, and I hate Sonic too due to its playstyle, but frankly, I've seen Sonix quite often recently playing agressively and it's a treat to watch honestly. When he camps though, that's boring for sure.
The only character that's an exception is Steve. I've never seen Steve players not camping.
There is a degree of camping that varies among characters. Some are more camping than others.
I heard so much about "Hurt is so cool, Hurt is such a hype player, I hope Hurt becomes #1 because I'd watch more tournaments" and then the very first set of his I watched was him spending 25 minutes camping out Tea. Fastest falloff of my opinion of a player ever
@@MyRegularNameWasTaken The few times I've seen Hurt playing Acola, I always thought Hurt was so cool playing Snake. But yes, otherwise, it's typically what you expect from Snake. Not very exciting gameplay. There are few characters that seem to play a game on their own, eg, Steve, Sonic, Snake. Sure, people complain that some characters were made too good, such as Rob or GnW, but I don't see them boring to watch, unlike Snake or Steve.
The best example of this illustration is when I saw a Fox player (I think it was Light) playing Snake (ApolloKage, I think), and I remember everytime Light attempts to combo, he gets immediately interrupted in the air because AK keeps mashing B, so Fox explodes often whenever he Snake. That reminds me of when I play Bayonetta 2 against some bosses, especially, Lumen Sage. He counters me each time I start a combo, and it's exceedingly difficult to even finish a combo, even a short combo such as PKP or PPKP.
So playing Snake is just like playing "bullet hell" shoot 'em up, with the added difficulty that it can be tough to combo him if he spams B when being combo'd.
I understand that people are fan of some characters, but unfortunately, the idea that all characters were created equal is a zombie idea that keeps coming and unfortunately never dies.
In fact, it was Donkey who camped out in the second game.
Game two hurt was being so campy. Honestly more boring than watching sonic
How do you have fun playing like this…
Snake is a shame. Camp and always do the same things, zoner is no skill character who destroy the game 😥
Study smash bros
I enjoy Hurt but Snake is lowkey the third most painful character to watch after Gunner and Sonic
10:25 Sorry Chunkykong, I get this mu is torture but don't act like you didn't hear the rocket becoming active
Japan best solo DK beat hurt this year. DK can many counterplay like edge guard or wide renge of dingdong for snake actually. Chunky should learn from japan DK.
Why was chunky camping so much
He couldn’t get close bc of bombs
Snake is a game design abomination. Like all zoners in fighting games. Digital misery for the one vs him.
Bro zoners have been a thing since SF2. Snake just happends ro be super overtuned
Zoners, especially ones that powerful, shouldn't have the insane frame data and easy kill power he does. It's just bad game design. As much as people dislike Mii Gunner, I think he's the best designed (zoner) character in the game. He's powerful at a distance, but has very bad frame data and a horrendous disadvantage state up close. That's called a balanced character. Snake is a textbook zoner without any of the weaknesses that usually comes with a zoner.
That’s what you call a spammer player, Hurt was not impressive in the slightest bit, if anything it was more annoying than anything else.
Donkey Kong vs grenade...😴
Game 2.... imagine camping THAT hard when you're down a stock. Smh.
it worked and that’s why he did it lmao
@atietta didnt say it wasn't effective. Just shameless.
Never seen so much spam
WOW Snake is annoying to play against.
Play lame win game smh. Honestly match ups like this make not want another smash game
Please! One of yall need to make a Smash expenses video, lol,
Nice profile picture.
Nice profile picture.
@ Thanks
The comentatirs have to talk abaout the game, stop the cap
These Smash Bros commentators are annoying idiots.
Snake players are so boring to watch lol.
Hurt's playstyle is even lamer than Sonix's
Snake gameplay is boring af
Invite & Do Not Participate
🔰ネタバレ防止🔰
Such a boring match to watch
Lame
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@@alha-yk9ny まあこの内容はしゃーない
@@トロント-k7s どの辺の内容を見て批判してるのかな？
掴まれただけで◯されるゴリラ相手に接近戦仕掛けるわけないじゃん
@@alha-yk9ny ん？これドンキー側が中途半端に攻めんかったから追いつかれたりとかしたんやろ？スネーク側は待つしかないやん
How can you enjoy playing a character like snake ??? Like that shit is hella annoying
People who use snakes are perverts or Psychopaths
Up throw up tilt at 0% is fun
@@brandonwalker4096 just don't suck
I cant believe that people consider spamming grenades good gameplay 🤦
I will die alone on this hill and idc but hurt shouldve been disqualified for not interacting and no throwing grenades from halfway across the stage is not interacting
Its literally like in melee they had to install a legde regrab limit cuz the person at ledge has nothing to lose and the person above has everything to lose
Its unsportsmanlike to utterly refuse to approach your opponent and force a disadvantageous approach from your opponent
If you disagree i could care less
Womp womp
Snake 🤮
スネークって海外だとめちゃくちゃ嫌われてるんだな
Nah it’s just ChunkyKong is really liked in the US and seeing Hurt play the Donkey Kong matchup optimally isn’t fun for most
日本人の陰湿さを象徴する最高のプレーヤーとキャラ😅
何もかも上手くいってさなそうなコメントしてて可哀想🥺
日本人の陰湿さを代表するコメントじゃねぇか笑
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Que aburrido es ver a Snake.