Will Cain: I believe Urban Meyer should have been fired | First take | ESPN
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2018
- Will Cain makes his case on why Ohio State should have fired coach Urban Meyer instead of just suspending him for 3 games.
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Will said not really a big baller 😂😂😂😂😂
RECKLESS FRIEZA Lavar is in his head 😝
Lol
600 bucks at a strip club on with high school coaches on a recruiting trip! 😂🤣 i call that a Tuesday
ismael medina damn right 👍
Production >Personality. If he had a losing record, he would've BEEN gone....
Sad but true...its about winning over morals and principle(s) smh.
Any of u actually aware of the story. Courtney Smith ( alledged victim) mother even stated to the press that she has heard her own daughter seeking and planning revenge on her ex husband for cheating and also stating taking urban meyer down. Im not sure what the head coach was supposed to do if the incidents were reported to the police and the police investigated and found nothing wrong. Think about that
www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/report-mother-zach-courtney-smith-claim-ex-ohio-state-assistant-victim-retaliatory-plot-ex-wife-223132593.html
braiden45 If he had a losing record he would've been gone in the first place simply for having a losing record. He would've been fired years ago with a losing record because they have to sell tickets to keep the program going. But they could've fired Urban and hired Mark Dantonio. Ohio State was not concerned about winning in the future, whether they kept Urban or not. They know that they can win even without him. Way to fall for the narrative that was fabricated by Disney owned ESPN.
He is paid to win not be the pastor
Hold This W you Will. I don't even agree with this man majority of the time but on this one 💪🏾💯‼️
Lol. That's mean you're wrong the majority of the time.
@@conormctapoutaka0-1aka0tit5 ?? I don't even know you
Wasted breath, Urban still the Coach,go bucks yeah,thats Real
Bro, I feel the SAME EXACT WAY. So convincing.
NEVER thought i would say this but will Cain actually makes sense...I actually agree with him
This guy was really taking advantage of Urban Meyer for a decade lol.
David Lee And thumbing his nose at him. However, the coach is to blame. He should have had some nuts to do something. I think coach Bruce would understand. Maybe.
Urban Meyer has a screw loose. Loyalty is great. But if you just keep covering up for a screwup it's only going to get worse and worse. He really didn't help Zach Smith at all. He's now a nationally known dirtball. Always best to deal with things as they occur.
LardGreystoke, In what ways did Urban cover up for him? Explain.
Splits- didn't you watch the video?
This guy was fucking up for over a decade and was never disciplined.
Wham.
And he would’ve got a job the same day 🤣🤷🏽♂️
The same hour
THABOMB98126 the same minute
Like Zach Smith getting a new wife. Yea, that would magically make him a better human.
@@THABOMB98126 at least thet wouldn't have looked stupid as shit like Meyers statement if they just fired him.
J. Green Yes but not as good as a job and would have to rebuild
Not a Ohio State fan but i hope Urban Meyer leads them to another national championship in 2018 . It would be awesome. And Meyer should dedicate the championship to you guys who wanted him fired .
So I mean what exactly did he do, I’m only hearing about what someone working for him has done
Ohio state. A perfect example of how winning a game is more important then doing the right thing.
''i haven't seen a beating like that since i was over at Zach Smith's house''
-Urban after Ohio State demolished Michigan for the 7th straight time
What ever happened to the term lack of institutional control
All this protection umm why wasn't Smith locked up for 10 years
You know why
Loyalty should definitely be among the deadly sins.
ESPN and the SEC declined to provide the exact terms of the arrangement, but it is believed to be a little less than a 50/50 split. That could limit the long-term revenue potential for the SEC and its schools -- the Big Ten still owns a little less than half of its network -- but gave it a tremendous advantage when initially negotiating carriage agreements. With this in mind I view every thing every ESPN analyst says as a way to promote the SEC and cut every one else down.
This should be a case study in all management training programs.
1:14 "Not exactly a big baller" - Will Cain 😂😂😂
Urban meyer fired zach after zach violated a civil protective order. Courtney should have filed years ago.
Why coach Meyer has to be responsible for his staff’s family disputes?
At least they did not penalize the team. The ncaa always looks out for its coaches 😎
Never thought I would hear "sex toys" and "Woody Hayes" in the same sentence...
Urban Meyer just busted a flat, on recruiting. You think your parents are going to allow you to go to Ohio st, knowing this. This Coach is supposed to build and mentor my son.
Urban had an assistant help him delete texts...that says it all!
Will Cain basically just admitted he is gonna be Skip Bayless in 15 years lol
DISGUSTING & I live in Columbus, Ohio!!!!
This was the most convincing argument that I have ever heard as to why Urban Meyer should have been fired. My goodness! This dude was completely covered by Urban.
Minus the domestic violence, this guy seems chill.
Wasn't this whole thing about did Urban Meyer follow proper protocol with reporting a (POSSIBLE) domestic violence incident? The investigation concluded he did follow proper protocol. Domestic Violence isn't related to the compliance dept. Its a police matter. All these other things were not part of the original question. Urban didn't know about the DUI (Later knocked down to reckless operation) and he didn't know about the strip club, or Zach Smith personal mail, or him taking XXX pics of himself. He was only suspended because the media is out on a witch hunt and OSU caved under pressure.
Right. Totally makes sense
You might be from Ohio with that logic and analysis
He did know about the strip club.
(i)According to an iPhone screen-capture of a checking account statement dated May 8, 2014, Zach Smith spent approximately $600 of his personal funds at a Miami strip club on May 8, 2014;
(ii) Brian Voltolini was aware of the strip club visit during a Florida recruiting trip and that a high school coach or coaches were present;
(iii) Coach Meyer became aware of this incident, although he maintains not the amount of the expenditure, and reprimanded Zach Smith, warning him that if it happened again, he would be fired...
There's no proof he he didn't know but that should be taken with a grain of salt since other members of his staff knew. The only thing he didn't know about was the DUI. Not to mention Meyer decided to delete messages off his phone after the media day. After what he did at Florida why give him the benefit of the doubt.
E Will going to a strip club after your off work and spending your own money is not a violation. He’s a grown man and whoever he went with is also grown men.
The deleted texts. Let me ask you. How would you like your phone to just be randomly searched by someone? Did he have personal texts that have nothing to do with this investigation on his phone that he doesn’t want anybody to see? Not saying he deleted investigation texts or personal texts. We’ll never know.
gunitze1 He wasn't off work, he was on a recruiting trip.
(ii) Brian Voltolini was aware of the strip club visit during a Florida recruiting trip and that a high school coach or coaches were present;
I wouldn't consider a recruiting trip off work especially since he brought high school coaches with him. Entirely unprofessional and stupid which is why Meyer added a morality clause.
If I have nothing to hide I wouldn't delete texts off my phone. His phone wasn't being searched randomly, they were trying to find out what he knew. Plus they only wanted texts and calls between him and Zach Smith anything else between his wife or whatever wasn't needed.
(iv) The lack of clarity surrounding this issue is compounded by the failure of OSU personnel to respond promptly to two July 25, 2018 records requests from the school paper, “The Lantern,” for emails and text messages, as well as any call history, between Urban Meyer and Zach Smith from July 18, 2018 through July 24, 2018 and between Oct. 25, 2015 and Dec. 1, 2015,
Damn, that is one rapsheet!
Espn is honestly getting annoying with how PC they are.
Will Cain has been making a lot of sense lately.
How his he responsible for another man's actions & responsible for her staying with him
What was the NCAA sanctions?
Some ppl grow up on fucking loyalty. Smdh foh
Sorry folks, but I wouldn't expect too much from the NCAA. Remember how they dealt with North Carolina's basketball program last year and how they reduced the penalties when reinstating Penn State. There'll never be another 'death penalty' like what was imposed on SMU years ago because the NCAA has come to be only about the money. Just look at the excess number of bowl games they've 'sanctioned' in recent years.
Max's final point at the end is a non sequitur. The issue here is not hidden facts. The facts are all known. The issue is what could have and should have been done. No new facts will change that.
There’s so much smoke
I think that they should have cleaned house, firing everybody..... "Not exactly a big baller." 😂😂😂😂😂
I cannot believe I'm actually agreeing with Will.
Normally I don’t agree with will Cain but finally we on the same page, good work will
I guess they don’t believe in forgiveness
1:10 not exactly a high roller lol 😂
does zack smith know where the bodies are buried? what does he know about urban? why would urban go the these lengths to protect this guy?
Max and Will agree? Rare sighting
My man Zach smith did some dirt haha jeez
one of the only times i agree with will cain. Good job here.
When exactly was that morality clause initiated by Urban Liar?
Urban Meyer deserves to be fired. Can't protect employees that do this kind of stuff.
John Berkery yea fire him because of what someone else did. An her parents came out an said she is lying lol
He's been protecting his (Zach) behavior for 10yrs all documented by police. Time to go.
brown that's what happened to art Briles. He was fired even though someone else did something bad
He didn’t do it, it just happened under his authority and he didn’t speak up.
The investigation proves Urban Meyer did his part, Gene Smith didn't.
Dude urban Meyer is not the damn police she should’ve went to them because firing him in the first place wasn’t going to do anything
This is not even that big of a deal he knew and didn't cover it up reason he got suspended was cause he didn't handle it correctly instead of reporting it to the school he helped get them marriage counseling
So all these thing happened during the time this guy was at Ohio State, why didn't the school fire him. The miss use of the Credit card should have been enough to be fired!
Fired because he hired a guy who was "alleged." Who was "accused." Not a guy who was arrested or convicted. These guys are grown men. Why does Urban deserve to be this guys father.
RIght on Will! You got it! Thank you speaking truth to power and putting people and ethics and humanity over money - and the good ole rich boys club. What a travesty of an example to young men - and women. This is a PUBLIC SAFETY issue for women and children that the men just did NOT CARE ABOUT. Just gross. So sad.
That guy was doing way too much for way too long.
Truth
Bob Knight was fired because he was not winning a lot of games. Woody Hayes was fired because he was not winning enough games. Nolan Richardson was fired because he was not winning enough games. Otherwise, they would have been suspended. Urban Meyer was winning enough games to not lose his job. It's all about wins and loses. You can get away with anything as long as you are winning. Just ask Bob Knight, Woody Hayes, and Nolan Richardson.
Enabling the destructive behavior of your hallowed mentor’s grandson is a despicable way to honor that mentor. Helping the grandson face his problems and overcome them would speak far more to what the mentor truly means to you. I suspect there is more to this than we are being allowed to know. If so, it will all
come out eventually.
Either he should’ve been fired or no suspension they obviously just didn’t want to do anything to Ohio state
Whoa. Who is this guy? 2 for 2000 Will Getting better
HE WAS THE MONEY MAN!!!! Thats why they kept him around Will!!!
Gotta have a bag man
Tell me now what he did to get fired
It always help when there is more information as I am not a fan of how Will Cain or ESPN has come off about this situation but I agree in large part with Will here. No doubt Zach Smith should have been fired long ago and that was Meyer's biggest mistake along with lying about what he knew. The suspension is right and should be longer after hearing this perspective.
That fool just clownin. Anyone else with an employee like this , Them and the employee would be gone. NUFF SAID
Hahaha look at Max's suntan
SO TRUE THAT OHIO SCHOOL IS SO CRUEL!!
You won’t judge Zach smith but urban Meyer can be judged 🤦🏾♂️
Zach Smith is fucking crazy bruh
Didnt hurt he had Family high up either. But what done it for me, the pictures of where that lady had the shit beat out of her. She sent them to the meyers wanting help... They failed her. So all the people saying this is alleged, there is plenty that is not that warrants the same response. You cant defend this, and if you are it isnt about the abuse it is about wining games... At least be honest about it, because those pictures didnt come from a slip and fall...
It’s “incidents” not “incidences” - and it wasn’t a decade that he worked for Urban. Zach Smith was hired by Temple and Marshall for a season. Point taken that it was a long period of time, though. Urban definitely deserved the punishment - but half of Cain’s complaints (which are still valid) were legitimately unknown to Meyer. And some he did take action in - ie. the strip club by reprimanding Smith and instituting a new policy. I think a three game suspension is fair given what was known if the domestic violence allegations were “he said / she said.” He should have fired Zach Smith earlier...likely when Gene Smith suggested it in 2016. I all of that said, I am glad ESPN pundits are moving away from shaming Urban Meyer as being a domestic violence enabler and instead finding his issue as being loyal to a fault. This is much more responsible journalism.
Will just kilt that 💯💯
Urban should be punished but not losing his job
Urban Myer is a great football coach. In this instance, he made a bad decision. He deserved his suspension. I believe a 3 game suspension was too short. Didn’t universities learn anything from the Penn State/Joe Paterno episode?
Will with some ether? Damn
Yea I guess hearing all the shit this dude did and the fact Meyer didn't do shit he should be fired to, at first I said it's not his responsibility but I was wrong this is bad
But he not fired. Keep it moving
I truly am a Will Cain fan!
Not only should he be fired, but the program should have the last 3 years worth of wins vacated, be ineligible for bowl games for the next 4 years, and the current players should be stripped of their scholarships. Clear favoritism here. Penn State would have never gotten away with this.
The suspension is good enough
Isn't this situation somewhat similar to Mark Cuban and the dude he hired who was sexually harassing female employees for years within the organization?
both of you are right on the money.....Urb's is only upset about being caught !!! OSU has been a Thug University for decades...... the pillar of their athletic dept is a guy that sucker punched an opposing 20 year old player......
What an embarrassing disgrace that he was kept as head coach.......Appalling!!!!!!!!!!
Another reason why hes the 1b goat of coaching
The Legend of Urban Liar
Will Cain is "damaging the program", nice "shot".
I love Will Cain!!!!
should have been fired for turning his head for ten years and not doing a thing
I actually agree with Will
Answer this...How does Zach Smith getting fired help Courtney Smith??? How does it help her for him to have no job??? How does it help they're family? How does it help their kids??? So let's all jump on the guy who didn't rush to judgement and fire a guy who obviously had a few problems...Now he has plenty of time to stalk, abuse, harass or whatever with no job and no outlet...Also he has no money for child support or to take care of his kids...Who is the real villain here? What was this person really trying to do here? Because I can't see how Urban Meyer could ever be at fault here...How does this help anyone other than ESPN since they have a story now.
Who the hell is Will Cain?
@1:14 Savage lol
Are the Ohio State peeps still supporting Coach Meyer after all this crap?
What I find amazing is that Will and the rest of “the boys” NEVER talk about the obscene salaries that these coaches make. But OMG taking recruits to a strip club, DUIs (serious), and domestic abuse (beating the stuffing out of a spouse) is worth bringing up. (Please note that I said “spouse” not wife, because I have cared for men who have been horribly abused by their little (literally) wives.
They don’t talk about Urban Meyer’s $7.6 million/yr salary w guaranteed 6% raise each year ($456,000). Private country club membership, use of a private jet at his beck and call, and so on. I bet Urban has never paid for a lunch of dinner for the last 15 years.(He was at my alma mater Utah in 2003. Turned us into a great team!)
Nick Saban’s is the same. Pro coach Bill Belichick makes a little less.
The highest paid public employee is EVERY state is a football or basketball coach at the college level! Oh but the players can’t be paid!! (I remember the outrage when pro athletes were first being allowed at the Olympics!)
After the horror show at Penn State in 2011, you might think that there would be some civility. Excuse me while I fall on the floor laughing. Two years ago--which was FIVE years after the arrest and conviction of serial child rapist Jerry Sandusky (with Paterno knowing all that was going on) Penn State had a Joe Pa day!!
I’ve quit following American football and am joining the rest of the world in watching the original futbal. My specialty is in neurology and with the nauseating number of football players having CTE (110 out of 111 brains autopsied from NFL players,) I am not alone is thinking that football will go away as boxing did. And our president’s abhorrent racism is ruining the game on his own. What a dick! (For those unaware, both the pro AND college teams USED to stay in the locker room during the national anthem. THEN as we were involved in FOREVER wars in the middle east, we needed more troops. SO the Pentagon started paying big time money TO the NFL teams for the military displays before the game. The flag the size of the playing field held and fluttered by dozens of our troops in combat battle dress uniforms. The jumbotrons showing a family surprised by a dad or son or mother. NOTHING like having a return of a spouse for the stadium and fans at home for “entertainment!” The Pentagon PAYS for these shows and Trump acts likes it’s a holy sacrament to stand for the national anthem. Well Donald you’d better imprison everyone getting a last minute hot dog, a beer, or heading to the bathroom. The national anthem was just a call to get back to your seat.
My opinion and the opinion of EVERY neurologist and neurosurgeon is to STOP American football...while Trump is screaming (Does he know how NOT to yell?) “Let the players hit each other harder! They’re wimps now!” This from a guy TERRIFIED by any violence to HIMSELF. Cadet Bone Spurs used a draft deferral FIVE times. After 18 months in office, he has YET to visit our troops in Iraq or Afghanistan even though he has tripled the number of troops over there including increased missile strikes and drone strikes.
Sorry. I’m a vet and I just went through the anniversary of the death of my US Army spouse. Trump is USING us to scream his racist rants--“Fire ‘em! Get that SOB off the field if they kneel.” Life in the world is tough enough for my black friends, colleagues, and patients. They don’t ned this ugly SOB always on their backs.
Sorry.
Let Urban stay. I like the guy and being originally from Athens, OH (Ohio Univ) I’m ALMOST happy that THE Ohio State University is winning again. (Actually MY Ohio U was there WAY before OSU!)
Can someone tell me why UM should lose his job because his EMPLOYEE beat his wife???
Urban Meyer is sleezy
I have posted this on other videos but I'll ask again..why is it that ESPN and pretty much everyone never talks about a NBA soon to be hall of famer years ago getting accused of rape and doing some nasty things to a woman while he was married? I remember what she accused him of and I know he never got prosecuted because he paid her, but ESPN hates Urban Meyer for this stuff and ESPN promotes the NBA guy..they say urban don't have any morals, ok but what about the NBA player? I just don't get it? I don't think anyone complained about him not getting fired. So should the NBA owner get fired for condoning rape and bad morals?
Buckeyes winning it all this season.
Urban Meyer should have got rid of Smith a long time ago.
If he actually did it he should have been fired but he didnt so I think he should be suspended for 5 games
But god forbid that an athlete gets a some money to either get him some food or help his parents pay a bill! Smh the NCAA is absolute garbage
Love you Will Cain! One of the few analysts I can count on to follow their morals!!
For real😐
What the elph,I totally I agree with u bro,everybody is always calling will kkk,but he has good morals very smart and a hell of alot smarter than fuckin kellerman for sure,and uses plain common sense,only draw back is he's a cowboys fan..lol...
Will is 1000% right Zach smith should have been fired a long time ago and Urban Mever should have been fired for lying. To me Urban Meyer being fired has absolutely nothin to do with the domestic violence allegations and much more to do with the fact that he lied what knew about those incidents and that he failed to properly report the incidents to Ohio State compliance department.but will is right Ohio state wins again with him and this will all be forgotten
Yay no Molly