Lets Talk F7 Processor Flight Controllers
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2024
- Correction: The F7 processors have 25 pins per side for a total of 100 pins
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Correction: The F7 processors have 25 pins per side for a total of 100 pins
You talked about features of the F7, what about preformance, my Revolt has an average of 19us to process the PID's, what does the F7 average PID loop take? (BF3.1.7), And what cpu % is the F7 on 32/32?
still relevant info. ...so much for the hobby. R.I.P
Still coming back to watch JC... still more relevant than most FPV "experts"
I miss your videos already, straight to the point no BS info.
Israel Chagollan I feel you bro, no good morning bullcrap just whip out your notepad and jot soon as they good loaded
Long posthumous were now seriously into F7 boards and this guys videos are still on POINT 1/31/2019 Assuredly missed Bro. Hope you have powerful wings in heaven ... Thank you soo much for your contributions !
Thanks mate! You answered a whole heap of questions for me there! Best video I've watched in a LONG time
RIP man you are terribly missed already. Was really looking forward to your FC and other electronics :(
Thanks for this video. As a noob it's helped a lot with understanding flight controllers and processors.
Thanks Jc, was good to see you on FPVLIFE today. Shot for all the great info, certainly makes decisions so much easier with your help. :)
Hi, JC . I like to see the omnibus F7 setup . I will be buying this F7 for my next build coming this june. Very happy to watch your introduction and explain details of all your built . Look forward for your build Ominbus F7. Good work Bro.
so good so true ...miss him !
Lots of info packed into this video. Thanks.
Waiting for the DYS F7, loving my current DYS F4
Mihkel Rebane I agree I like my dys f4 better than my revolt v2. dys F4 is nice easy layout with osd flys amazing
JC it got a takin care of with ready to fly quads, I was upset with good reason but witespy made it right. I am glad for people like you and other to be able to support people by linking their products and what not. I am just glad it got seen by the right person. I never meant any harm just wanted my stuff, after tones of e-mails to them I had no choice but to go to social media. I will order from Ready to fly again everyone make mistakes, no one is perfect and witespy says it was a fluke then it was, Thanks to all you that make this hoppy awesome.
Great commentary! Love ya work dude.
that was a great explanation. There are a lot of guys flashing BF to their Revolts in the UK. You should take a look at the Matek F405 FC + PDB.
I'll have to check it out
Can i give you advices about camera focus?
If you are shooting fixed plan like that all the time, go for manual focus, maybe when you want to show componants, shot these sequences later and edit the whole things in post-production!
If you are lazy to do this, so sacrify your background image and focus on everything in front of you and close to your camera lens!
Have a great week and keep the videos coming!
The Raceflight Revolt is an F4 board and I use both an un modified XSR receiver with SBUS and telemetry.
JC, do you think you'll see a noticeable difference in flight performance between the F4 vs the F7? Seems the F4 is massively overpowered today. Heck, I'm pretty happy with F3 FCs.
Can't wait to see how it performs.
F7?! Once again, why can't these FCs tune themselves already? Great video. You should do a discussion vid with Josh Bardwell, maybe about the future of the hardware for the hobby.
As always a very good video. And it's always nice to have my thoughts endorsed ;)
F7 could be interesting for iNav, more headroom vor calculations. F3 is on its limit in my 760mm endurance quad.
I agree. I think the Any FC F7 might be a good choice for a hex or octocopter
On the anyfc the baro, the part itself isnt soldered on but the pins are there for it, i planning to solder it on.
About the gyro: its could work if we just replace it for an icm 20608, or add it to by uart/spi? The mpu is looks so tiny on it, but i feel kindy funny just thinking about to make it...
What frame du u using for ur gps build? some foldable 600-700?
yes, self designed 760mm Quad, foldable to 250mm*550mm weighing 950g without Lipo and can carry up to 20Ah and a 600g gimbal and a Nex5. Flight time without Gimbal with one 5200mAh lipo is around 45 minutes. 6,5A hovercurrent ;) fpv-racing-forum.de/thread/2630-760er-experimentalquad-luft-nagel/?postID=38565&highlight=luftnagel#post38565
I just but my first f7 racer,and I'm loving this thing so far.I went with the f7v2. So we will see how it does for freestyle.Man thank you for your videos I'm subscribe to u.looking for more on these.thanx.
hey JC i´ve a build with the omnibus F7 , wraith esc 32, (samples) dshot1200, gyro icm20608, so its 32K running and as far i can go with loops is 16/8, cpu load is about 20%,but flies well, if i go 16/16 the cpu freezes in 100% :) :) , congrats for your videos, keep going :) :)
Yea I tried 32k/32k on 3.2.0 beta firmware and had 100% CPU load as well. I'm sure they still have to work the code out. Should be working when its officially released.
RIP project blue falcon...
Doesn't seem so long ago, does it?
I talked to Preston from race flight and he says osd is on its way soon along with an osd board a while later
Heh, All my FC's use ALL pins! :D (Seriously Pro Racing).
Your posts are extremely helpful. Thanks a lot for all you do. How do I try to contact you for a couple of questions I have in retrofitting joystick controls to real world controls?
JC you need to get on FPVLife !
Hey JC, awesome review as always altho knowing u it was kinda obvious what u were going to say about it even before this video (I'm an electronics engineer and agree with u). What I haven't seen from u and would really like ur opinion on is a KISS video, ESC and FC wise, firmware and hardware. Are u planning something like that? I would really appreciate ur opinion there.
Good info.
How do you track all of this information? If it wasn't for you giving up all this cool info. ..im pretty sure i would never be able to find it
I have no life lol
Project Blue Falcon i dont believe that....you seem very happy...and really smart. i hope i get to fly with you guys sometime
thank you for all the time you spending having no life to share all the info back to the community. keep flying!
Project Blue Falcon i hope you know i meant that in a nice way. i watched your follow up video on video tx and rx install. good stuff!
we have some local supplier following the "numbering" hype here, they bring in F7 without really understanding how FC works.i said its useless since the gyro used is MPU6000.
also most F7 boards out there are based on the bigger sized F7 chip. there is a new F7 chip (STM32F722), with the same size of the F4 chip. still, its better to wait the good guys from the Betaflight team to integrate and support F7 into Betaflight, there are still some bugs.
Raceflight has the gyro in the middle like no other board which makes 32/32 ez pz and not even soft mounting needed. :)
vek fpv life just called for u to do a live.. 👍👍
Awesome. Was this on his livestream today?
Project Blue Falcon yes thats right.. they were talking about you and are looking forward to schedule you cos of your contribution to community without asking anything in return.. they said that if you're watching, to contact them.. you should 👍👍
Thanks will do
Project Blue Falcon yes! Do it. I'd excited to see you there. It'll be fun because those guys are cool
the real question is why does frsky invert their signal just to be inverted again by the FC?
Don't ask FrSky. Ask Futaba
Furiousfpv Fortini f4 does support 32k and has 5 Uarts
bf 3.2 does support 32k and dshot 1200
Could F7 enable "optical flow" position hold, and other sensors to power autonomous flight characteristics that APM used to provide, but lacked the CPU to really advance? Even APM never really integrated the sensor values (Baro, GPS, Acc.) to determine when one was sending suspect data, so the platform never became 3rd-generation mature.
For all the hate thrown at DJI, at least they have tried to mature the technology.
It sounds like we keep getting hotter cars, but all we're doing with any of them is making a beer and pizza run. At what point do better processors enable advancing beyond PID to a more comprehensive stabilization methodology that was impossible to implement with existing processors? (was PID a workaround for CPU limitations?)
Hugh Hemington the Pixhawk is the successor to the APM 2.5 and it has a much more powerful CPU
i had betaflight 3.2.0 on a revolt v2 had no problems but switched it back to raceflight. i personally freakin like raceflight. Although i own 6 betaflight setups and only 1 raceflight... i run BF 3.2.0 on a KombiniFC without any problems. i think they are pretty far with 3.2 by now
I had the same issue with RTFQ , had to place a complaint with Pay Pal to get my money back. Sent many emails no responces . I like there product - I do not like there customer service - It should never take months to ship product. I placed a order with RTFQ Feb 24 2017 - late May finally had my money returned. RTFQ just refunded my money back through Pay Pal - no responce , just (here is your amount back).No ("hey man- sorry for the long delay we have shipped your order over night to you") May never buy from them again.
Matek F405 runs 32k also...same gyro as the revolt board
It's nice to see other boards supporting this. Betaflight 3.2.0 should be very interesting
fr8dogpilot I have a Matek F405 and it's a very nice FC
yes it is ...I love it so far..makes a clean build
I want to run iNav on Omnibus with 4servo's & 2motors to do some fixed-wing mission planning & long-range flights for terrain mapping so I would need at least 6PWM's +whatever a stabilized camera gimbals require...
Why is it Omnibus F3 has 8PWM outputs, F4 has 6PWM's & the new F7 has only 4 available?
Surely thats a retrograded step each time?
I know fixed-wing flight & PIFF's rather than PIDs aren't/shouldn't be as processor hungry as a quadcopter, but surely with all of the above mentioned going on I'd still be better off with an F4 or F7 processors power/speed?
Would you know of another flight controller that could fulfill these requirements & come in costing similar to Omnibus?
Thanks again for your time & efforts :)
Airbot F7 with duel gyro in the mail?
Lol. chip on this omnibus is faster like my pc :D
like 2 weeks i try to find omnibus f7. i cant find one. and now is here :)
F7 processors are available in the same package as F4 LQFP64 (STM32F722RC and STM32F722RE). If not all the pins are being used and 4 UARTs are plenty why use the larger package size?
probably cheaper.
JC have a question, Why are you still putting up link for stuff to buy from Ready to fly quads when you and I both know that it take weeks to get product. I ordered from there on the 7th of May and have yet receive product, why man why, if we support that bad customer support it could become the norm.
Rotor Madness everything i have ever bought from there arrived in 3 days... are you thinking of banggood?
No I messed names up, I meant ready to fly quads my bad RMRC is amazing
Fixed
Rotor Madness R2FQ has been fast shipping too, his customer service is horrible though. You have to use paypal to get refunded, Airbot sells almost the same stuff and he has been great so far.
RTFQUADS has great prices and ships quick, but god help you if there's something wrong with the order. They short shipped me on a few items and never responded to my repeated emails. I keep my orders small to minimize my risk if something goes wrong. It's a shame because they have great gear and ship fast.
I continue to order from them because omnibus is my favorite FC and they have the newest versions with the best prices.
I'm waiting for F7 20X20mm flight controller
IRFZ44 the F7 is so big the processor takes up the whole 20mm yet alone a gyro and other crap
there's a new F7 chip (STM32F722) that have same size as F4 chip.
NM NA I haven't seen that one used... and the smaller processor has less uarts defeating the point. there's just a limit on how many pins you can fit on a processor.
also... it's called the
stm32f7x2
all x2's are smaller and the 22blabla or 32blabla have different number of different ports used for different things.
and they are all that smaller size
like i said its new, very few FC out there with that F7 chip currently. my next version FC is based on it too and i'm playing with the prototype currently. Betaflight is not yet optimized for the chip currently.
how much uart is needed for a quad using 20X20mm FC?
its not stm32f7x2, it's actually STM32F72xRx with the LQFP64 package, and also LQFP64 package is only available on the STM32F722xx devices.
There is one
So with that 32K gyro vibration problem, what's the use of an F7? Are there ASIC based flight controllers?
Do you know if the BLHeli passthrough needs to be supported by hardware or is only software (BF)?
When tried to connect with BLHeli software the board broke. The processor gets so hot you can't touch it. Is it even possible that the BLHeli broke the board? It could be a short but there where no smoke or other indication of such. Thanks for the video 😊
I really think you were smarter than Bardwell, and no where near as arrogant as he can sometimes be.
G'day Jc top review you mention uarts in the omnibus f3 can you change uarts if you fry the one for the frsky receiver
Literally just upgraded from a F1 board to a F3 this week......now you're talking about F7's. This hobby moves too fast lol
F3 has been pretty much standard for almost 2 years now. Not exactly new.
Why does adding a 220uf cap to the omnibus f7 up the battery support to 5-6s?
Adding a Cap helps smooth out voltage spikes from motor dampening . Even though 6s is 25v it could spike even higher without a cap.
8k gyro vs 32k gyro - Any performance difference?
sleepyduck probably not. suspicion is that the raceflight 32k fc is so snappy because of their secret low pass filter settings.
Jordan Honeycutt Why not just reverse engineer the algorithm's?
Relys, the equipment and effort involved in monitoring the output of the FC to get a sample to reverse engineer would be better spent developing a better filter.
I know you meant that the omnibus F7 only has 4 motor outputs. With the previous Omnibus FCs you had to use a pwm5 pin for LED control with betaflight 3.1+. Has this been fixed on the F7?
Not sure yet. About to play around with it before I do some videos on it.
I'd hope it's fixed! I have the Omni F7 in the mail so I'll have to see for myself.
This is NOT fixxed yet. but it is no top of the list. the new BF3.2 will have a obus F7 from the dropdown that has this fix. LED will work off the led port onthe board then ....there's still some work needed, but we are working through the issues, same as when the F4s were added.
Alright, luckily I don't have a problem with running nightlies of BF on my builds!
Hi, just saw the omninxt f7 board on Banggood, it says in its product description that to use SDA & SCL pad for Mag it need a Pull Up Resistor, how can one install a Pull Up resistor, googling didn't help either. Could u pls help here.
and you are working on that special sauce gyro right. lol.
What do you guys think of this new gyro? OMNIBUS F7 V2 It has dampning on the new gyro along with the 6000 I am thinking of pulling the trigger since I need a new FC. Any thoughts?
could you please share with me what numbers you put in for the dys current sensor?
I haven't calibrated any of them. I personally dont use current sensors.
what did you mean at 4:19 with the motor outputs? Both have 8, I'm confused😁
I'm only seeing motors 1-4 on the Omnibus F7
Project Blue Falcon I meant in the video you said 8 for both
what's about using uarts in the future for controlling the escs?
I'm not sure what all they have planned in the future, but I'm sure it will be cool whatever it is
As you are using digital protocols, it shouldn't be to hard to address every ESC and control multiple of them just with one data pin.
ZeroFPV
Especially with AIO ESC
If you're running independent ESC, that's kinda pointless
Must be a limit when flight controllers are overkill for the pilot if you know what i mean ?
Exactly. Personally I'll never need anything more than 8k/8k
CAUTION: NEVER say 'never'
Project Blue Falcon Never say never, before you know it there will be some amazing new algorithm that requires the added oomph of the F7 and that takes FPV to a whole new level : )
hehehe! working on a F10 right now. soon we can have awesome power to do some cool osd colors or complex images !
But that is extras. I talked only about fly prestanda. But sure, never say never..
Hey JC, on the subject on soldering to the processor directly, i've got a www.banggood.com/20x20mm-XJB-F425-Dshot-Flytower-Micro-F4-AIO-OSD-BEC-Flight-Control-25A-Blheli_S-2-4S-4-In-1-ESC-p-1148284.html?rmmds=search with F4 and due to space, there is only 1 UART for SBUS, i am using an X4r, and in the configurator there are 3 UARTs avaliable, could you tell me which pin is for another UART, so i can use telemetry? Thanks, love your channel!
hey JC now i´m stcuk after flash with latest build, the fc ligths blue led sos code, the pc doesnt shown even the fc Port Com, only in DFU mode works for flashing, any ideas, btw what´s for the second buttom bootloader, thanks
With F7 processor we gonna see dual gps in iNav?
hacksore channel are you aware of a good source for Nav builds? I'm planning to do one soon, but the info out there is really sketchy. I have motors, frame and props, but haven't selected the electronics because I can't figure out what the best options are. DJI has many FC's, but I have this feeling there are much better options. Not even sure where to start looking.
InFrontOfYourBack1 *pixhawk* nuff said
Never order for ready to fly quads. I go to FPV303.com for my airbot/Omnibus FC's. I was burnt by R2FQ and tried to contact them with no result. left a review, and it was removed. So i will take my money elsewhere. But i love the Omnibus FC.
you used to look like aragorn from the lord of the rings
Wow so much hate on the revolt! hahahaha
I dont really hate it. I just hate the price of it. It's only worth about $20. And the hype is unreal for a configurator that doesn't support the most basic features. But RF1 is still in beta testing so I'll give them a break
Hi, I watch your videos. You an Omnibus lover. Me not so much. I don't want to run an FC straight off of my battery. Nobody, even my vendor at Airbot could tell me how to power my OB F4 from my PDB 5v and get Vbat to work. Due to a manufacturing error the buzzer didn't work on my $65 FC unless I could buy and then somehow de-solder then solder a tiny diode, uh no. The Baro worked for a minute then I could not get a reading ever again. I'm pretty sure when I wired it up the 3rd time Airbot suggested as to run it as mentioned above something ganked. It's now just an expensive BL-Heli passthrough and sits on my jig board for testing/troubleshooting. I use SP racing FC units now and have to wire up a Minimum OSD but all work as promised with them. Considering your affinity for Omnibus you may know if was I doing something wrong. Oh yeah the board had something like Version .99 printed on it. I see there now there are much newer revisions and maybe would take another try at one. If you have time to pound out a few lines to me on the subject I would be grateful. Thx
I show how to power the F4 Omnibus with 5v from the PDB and still get vbat to work in this video
ruclips.net/video/2XztgmZAAu8/видео.html
Sean Bittner you must have received a lemon. I've only had one omnibus hiccup and it was due to the wrong firmware. Airbot sells authentic FCs. Banggood are copies. I've got omnibus FCs in nearly all of my quads. Dys is nice, although I received one with a dead motor lead. The second worked flawless. Revolt blew with raceflight I flashed it with BF but haven't put it to use yet. I just received the Maytek F4 FC and Current sensing PDB I'll be wiring up. It's a shame you had a bad experience because they really are awesome FCs. The BF OSD is the only way I'll fly now. I don't even care about telemetry.
Thank you for responding. I see a newer version on Ebay that's half what I paid six month ago. I realize what's on in the below link is a knock off. Is that the version you use? That's not the one I had. Where would I get one like below that's 'genuine' or a high probability of quality. Aren't these designs open source? If so what defines them as genuine? Thx.
www.ebay.com/itm/Betaflight-OmniBus-F4-Pro-V2-Flight-Control-Built-in-OSD-BEC-For-FPV-Drone-Quad-/382108636571?hash=item58f773159b:g:KPMAAOSwxu5ZEV6f
InFrontOfYourBack1 you can give any non pro omnibus 5v JC has lots of videos on it. just cut the legs off the regulator, power it from the 5v pin and run wires from your battery to vbat for battery monitoring.
Is JC who's Utube Channel this is? I'm hesitant. That Omnibus I had was terrible. Even the micro sd card reader didn't work, I tried several sizes and classes of card. The buzzer didn't work due to a known manufacturing error. The Baro would not come up. At the time I couldn't find any video's, articles, etc. and no documentation except the diagram. I made diagrams of how to possibly wire it up for power how I want and sent them to myairbot, they tried to help but didn't know either. When you handle and solder onto these things too much they don't like it and eventually the accel unit wonked out, it worked if I adjusted it to CW270 degrees. When I finally kinda got it 'working' I randomly got a spinning razor blade of death when I armed and gave throttle. I switched to F3 SP and never looked back. If they now work as promised I may give another try but the thing I find most compelling about them is the built in OSD and I think that's only on the pro.
Checkout the Motolabs F4 Typhoon. At least 2 of the UARTs have inversion circuits but I thought Motolabs indicated that all the UARTs have inversion.
www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?2715556-MotoLab-Typhoon-F4-Flight-Controller-and-VTX
Yes, Witespy at ReadytoFlyQuads is one of the worst customer support experiences I've had in this hobby. Airbot.com or Fpv303.com would be better.
Why would we need doubble Gyros on the F7 , don't we have enough troubles at time with just One !! LOL.
Just so you can pick whichever you want. On the Omnibus F7 you could choose the MPU6000 or the ICM20608 depending on if you want one that less bothered by vibrations, or if you want 32k
No you can choose which one to use, you could go with the faster gyro if you soft mount it or go with the slower but non soft mount 6000.
also the devs will be able to use them together for sensor fusion to get the best of both worlds and to enable some new trick . like "anti-crash" mode...aka turtle mode....
PEPPER PEPPER PEPPER
Numbers game...
JC, have a look at the Matek F405 they have a solution for the Frsky smartport uninverted on motor pin 5/6. www.mateksys.com/?portfolio=f405-osd
open live stream 4 the NIGHTOWLS CARS and drones vape and anything blue,,,lol
So I used to like your videos.
I understand that you're a engineering student and I respect that because I have multiple engineering degrees myself and know how much hard work it is.
What irritated me and I find to be horrible research, for a engineer, you said something along the line of ' These raceflight guys have to soft mount your fb and motors and everything".
I am not a raceflight fan boy what so ever. I have about 20 quads. Some KISS, some BF, some RF.
Raceflight when it was in BB (chrome ap/fork from CF) didn't even have gummies to "softmount" your FC. And soft mounting motors wasn't even a thing then.Yes RF had growing pains but look at how many people fly RF now. And were it is at. And I must say some of my RF quads are amazing, Amazing to people that fly Kiss.
And to this day I have many RF quads without soft mounted motors. So sorry man, that;s bullshit. It was just the way you said it also, I thought you were trying to be funny but I am not sure at this point.
Regardless dis-subscribed. Your videos lately are just not informative and more you feelings/rants.
Good luck with BF which I like by the way. I just prefer the other 2 FC's.
And then you have someone saying in comment flash BF on revolt ,which I have done and is ok. Many people did this after someone like ummagawd said something about it, I dunno. I think it is more because people are comfortable with BF features.
But anyways.....you were talking...badly about the 20602 gyro. But flash BF on the same gyro and its better? Not logical.
Sorry man not trying to take it out on you but this seems to be your most inconsistent off the wall vid I have seen you make. I am not sure if you had a bad day of what but bad.