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The Cult of Big Boss
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2023
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Leave it to Kojima to make a world where someone is hauled into the clouds by a balloon and forced to change their name to something like Raging Octopus.
Killer worm
Flaming buffalo
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Remember this is all about a man that believes Santa is real, thought eating glowing mushrooms would recharge his battery, and nearly had an orgasm over a custom made M1911.
The similarities between cults and military groups is pretty scary. The conditioning, the erosion of your identity, working towards a greater goal without question, etc. The key difference though is that soldiers are trained that way so they can survive on the battlefield, cults solely benefit the leader.
Although the military hardly takes care of their soldiers and vets so maybe there's no difference at all.
That is such a great point. It's something we definitely wanted to discuss too but maybe that's for another video.
@@tkandm I'll be sure to tune in to more videos like this one.
Vets have a lot of benefits and insurance. Not saying it doesnt have problems but there is an effort.
@@Gonger02 People who join the military are more likely to take their own life as a veteran than they are to die in combat. I think the powers that be can make more of an effort for sure.
"Although the military hardly takes care of their soldiers and vets so maybe there's no difference at all." Isn't the entire point of Big Boss' Outer Heaven project to take care of soldiers and vets? (in a roundabout way of course)
their logo is pretty cool tho.
Outer Heaven and MSF logo is very cool
Diamond Dogs is cool aswell
Venom is the child who was so infatuated with the fantasy he fully gave his life to it. Even going further than Raiden did with real VR training. I always wonder why Zero didn't just make another Venom, but in the end he was defeated by Solid Snake
Vocal Cord Parasite
I think what solidified it was what Solid Snake was that at the time of the OG He was a nobody with no renown, full of recessive genes, on his first mission with little real training, SOLO, with an unreliable support structure... He had nothing going for him and every single odd against him and still reigned supreme over a hand crafted almost super soldier and an entire army. Solid Snake defies everything Zero ever thought of Les Enfants Terrible and the phantom project.
@@Meatball_Tea Recessive genes are usually more rare first of all. Second of all how do you know that Zero and Big Boss didn't send Solid Snake to Zanzibar land to re-create the events of Virtous Mission? Snake comes in with no weapons into foreign ground and kills his mentor to achieve world peace. What I am saying is that Solid Snake isn't as down bad as you think, and Venom had everyone conspiring to use him as a sacrificial pawn in their worldly games.
@@brandonnleyva100is Venom aware that he wasnt the real Big Boss? I thought he awoke during the attack on the hospital with no recollection of his physchological reconditioning.
@@jagatheeldest5786 Venom does not realize he is the fake Big Boss because Ocelot, Miller and the tapes are all reinforcing the idea that he is the one and only Boss. He woke up having to be made to believe, just like we were woken up from our coma like experience from Ground Zeros. However when he gets the operation intrude tape at the end of the game he realizes he’s just a pawn.
Big boss played them all like fiddles
😂
Much as Troy Baker kinda gave a “general” voice for Ocelot- and i wish he gave a stylized take to it, that line about Sharashka’s was dope.
Kaz mistake is thinking he was big boss’s equal. Dude that is a perfect way of putting it
One key point of context on Miller, though; he did admit at the end of Peace Walker that he'd knowingly let a triple agent into their midst just so it would be easier to piggyback on Big Boss's skills and legend to start his mercenary company -- meaning that all the suffering Big Boss went through during Peace Walker is at least indirectly Miller's fault... and he was pretty much completely on board to use Venom the same way in Phantom Pain. Huey might be a rat, but if you'll pardon the pun, Miller's a snake who acts like he too should get a free pass for his own treachery and is insulted that it isn't forgotten; Venom, Ocelot, and the player are perfectly justified in keeping him in check.
'Bog Boss'
@@voltageesq. oops, was a typo on mobile '>_>
How on Earth did people even come to such a horrendously misdirected conclusion of PW?
Miller was a double agent at best as he was only involved with Cipher; specifically, he had a deal with Major Zero and this was well after he formed MSF with BB.
Both Zero and Miller wanted BB's legend to grow. Zero wanted to use BB's legacy to mask the Patriot's future activities whereas Miller saw it as an opportunity for him and Big Boss to realise their dreams for MSF. Their goals correlate to a point and so Miller took up Zero's deal and established a working partnership with Cipher under the one condition that Zero wouldn't harm Big Boss or replace him with the clones. This was the condition Miller insisted on prior to taking on the deal.
Miller's friendship with BB was genuine - anyone that had actually played Peace Walker and went through the tapes would realise this and he spent YEARS distracting XOF from the comatose Big Boss which cost him his limbs.
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Nice to see youtube doing its job, recommending me videos I'd actually want to watch, regardless of the view count (though in saying that, it should be much higher!)
Much appreciated, thank you!
I love that after so many years, MGSV is still having new and interesting videos being put out. The mind of the writing team and kojima have built a amazing game series especially with MGSV and the potential that the game could of had if it was finished completely. There is no game like MGSV nor do I think we'll ever get another game just like this one.
I love this community and everyone here, keep up with the amazing videos TK and have a good one!
Diamond Dogs forever!
Thank you for the refreshing take on one of my most beloved sagas. It does make me wish Kojima had added the song "Cult of Personality" to the audio tapes in V.
The song didn't exist yet
@@marianoclerici3986 for sure, but same with a few others that made the cut.
@@marianoclerici3986Rebel Yell (1999 Remaster) existed at the time?
@@JG_Wentworth Rebel Yell came out in 83...
@@marianoclerici3986 Rebel Yell (1999™ Remaster)
So what if quiet tried to kill the boss? That's as good as a job interview around motherbase. Ocelot tried to kill the boss, miller tried to kill the boss
Half of motherbase are former enemy soldiers
When did Miller try to kill Big Boss?
@@jagatheeldest5786 In a cassette tape in Peace Walker, they say that Snake met Miller as enemies and Miller tried to pull a grenade and blow them both up.
@@cpt.mcn00b36 thanks. Diamond Dogs for life!
@@jagatheeldest5786 DD for life, all hail Big Boss!
when did miller try to kill the boss? i'm not super familiar with the story between the in-universe '75-'00
Great video! This is one of my favorite games and I'm glad your channel got recommended. I bet ya this'll get quite a few views soon!
Thank you so so much! It really means a lot!
Diamond Dogs forces Venom into a situation where he must break his Hippocratic oath from when he was a medic ☹️ true cult behavior
considering he was specifically a *combat* medic i doubt he had no blood on his hands, but still turning a man who just wanted to save people into a killing machine is terrible
Great work guys! It seems your picked up on a lot more than I did! I thought Kaz was the one who thought Venom was the real BB because of damage to his eyes and that Ocelot was the only one who knew the truth!
I’d love to see an explanation because I’m sure I missed tapes… subbed for future x
I wanna point out 2 lil details
1. Big boss set up both outer heaven and Zanzibar land
2. Big boss didn't initially agree to venoms brain washing it took some convincing
3. Yeah big boss does suck, so does cypher and so does basically every leader in the serise
That's at least the way i see it
The point
No one is the good guy (except solid) it's all just different skewed interpretations of the same ideals
All culminating in the same abuse of anyone else for your own selfish desires
thing is Ocelot was the only one to convince BB that this would all work out, must have stung Kaz when he found out he wasn't close with BB like Ocelot is.
@TheSSBBfan666 That's why Miller sticks with Venom and then trains Solid Snake. He wanted to make the bosses sons stronger so they could overthrow him.
Venom always was and will be my favorite snake. A bigger and Better boss than Naked. Suffered for less and gave more than he ever could. His comrades He had killed personally, His love Had to die so he could live, and even his own individuality was sacrificed. Going so far as learning the truth and continuing to play the game for over a decade after. Ultimately having the same fate as "The Boss".
The algo did well on serving this one up in my feed, great work!
That means so much, thank you!
Pretty funny to think that, despite dying, Kaz did win out in the end. Snake pretty much crippled everything Big Boss stood for and came out the other side a free man.
Two very good videos on the MGS saga.
I don't know if you got only two shots or more, but I vividly encourage you to continue that way.
MGS is a series to litteraly drawn into, with very a serious philosophical and metaphysical matter to it (as everyone know) to be analyzed.
Thanks for sharing.
MGSV is my game of the decade. I 100% again on steam. I love the game that much
Truth revealed was legendary.
This all changes when you remember that Kaz is a filthy trator who couldn't be trusted since the days of MSF
He colluded with Cipher, yeah, but it was all to build up MSF into a proper organisation, and he did own up and apologize to his Boss. Calling him a filthy traitor is ridiculous, especially when you put him next to Big Boss.
Great video fellas.
Big Boss hated the American government for what they did to his master, the Boss. People that joined him were willingly going to fight for him, he also fought for them. Big Boss also spoke to Venom, he told him the truth, and Venom still continued serving the Big Boss. He was loyal to his soldiers, and they are in turn loyal to him. We can see how he almost drowned with MSF's motherbase before Miller called him on the Heli.
You act as if he doesn't literally knock out and kidnap soldiers from their countries and families then "convinces" them that he's a saint and worth dying for. Volunteers are fine, they joined of their own volition, but not the "fulton recruits."
@@Garland846
There is the 'morale' system in Peacewalker and V
If you don't keep your people 'happy' they'll leave
Not defending BB in this this but his guys could leave if they wanted to, no different than employees quitting their jobs over pay or work condition , etc issues.
I could argue that Big Boss betrayed Kaz.
@@Tha3rdworldghost He did not. If you pay close attention, Kaz betrayed Big Boss by hiding the true intentions of Paz from him. He knew what Paz wanted, risked the destruction of motherbase and the entire plan and effort of Big Boss. He's actually the reason why motherbase was destroyed in a way even though Hughe was the one to call the "inspection team".
@@Garland846 These soldiers are paid dogs of war, he frees them from control. If you listen to the cassettes it mentions in MSF that many soldiers would depart or leave and they would throw a goodbye party for them. They also would do a party every month for all the soldiers with birthdays in that particular month. Big Boss cared about his soldiers.
Huey is bad but he’s the absolute scapegoat for Diamond dogs and the person he becomes is due to their shalasaska techniques
Ocelot is the greatest gaslighter in history
This is terrifyingly time relevant
Dope video. Love these deep dives popping up about the Metal Gear series.
bless the algorithm
This video is amazing! Still would die for Big Boss tho
This was a great video! I love this in-depth analysis and conversation on specific aspects of games, especially for the MGS games. I feel like there is an incredible amount of potential for these types of videos in the MGS series, especially for MGSV (I mean, a channel like FutureSoundProductions has basically made their whole channel about Metal Gear analysis). I feel like Kojima is always way ahead of the times in his ideas and writing, which takes years for the fandom and community to fully understand and appreciate. Hope to see some more from you guys!
Amazing video! I knew something was "wrong" about Big Boss aside from him being a mysterious villain. This cult idea seems so dead-on point.
Kaz is a scumbag that set up Huey and may have actually set up MSF. It's implied that Kaz triggered the outbreak on Mother Base.
The idea is you'll never actually know if it was Huey or Kaz that was the traitor.
Kinda wrong, Huey defiently was a traitor, the question is if Miller is one too.
@iammrbadguy9706 We actually have 0 evidence that Huey is a traitor. The only one claiming to have circumstantial evidence is Miller, the other most likely suspect, and someone with far more motive.
Of course we're talking about a game where the "Truth" tapes may not actually be true, and Kojima explicitly contradicted them in an interview, where he claimed Big Boss was only ever in one coma, the one he was in when his material was taken to make the Snakes. That means anything to do with the Ground Zeroes coma is a lie.
In all likelihood, Big Boss orchestrated the destruction of MSF as a strike back at Cypher, who had infiltrated and co-opted them as their personal tool via Miller. This also explains why there was a camp omega PoW that alluded to being tortured by someone who may have been Big Boss instead of Skullface.
@@Arucaurd Huey defiently did lie about the events with strange love, he said he never saw hals face, but he has a photo of him on the ai´s casing. We also have the proof that huey worked with skullface, and wanted to work with cipher again, causing the second vocal parasite outbreak. And lastly, and maybe most importantly, the tape that suggests what happened with strangelove...let´s just say, Huey is the worst. Also him leading venom snake to OKB Zero, it is suggested that he did it to try and destroy snake, and that basically it was coincidence that skullface was there.
@iammrbadguy9706 Huey lied about strangelove, but being a shitty scumbag does not mean he's a traitor. We never had evidence Huey was involved with the second vocal cord parasite outbreak. Miller suggests it with situational evidence, but if you paid attention to conversations leading up to it, Miller shut Huey up when he tried to mention potential issues. Essentially, Miller knew about the issue and covered it up, and at least allowed it to happen, if not outright orchestrated it, and used the outbreak as an excuse to execute Huey, which Venom objected to.
Code Talker even tells you to watch out for Miller because he's not as he seems.
@@Arucaurd True. Still, that only supports the point, that Huey is a traitor. However, the points you brought up are interresting, and the way as presented, Miller may very well be a traitor too...or code talker is, and tries to frame Miller. Although, Miller having been part of Cipher, him betraying makes more sense.
Would needly explain about how he knew that Huey tried to come back into contact with cipher.
A series about Freudboys seeking to emulate their Jungian symbols with no sense of irony that comes from seeing the big picture
Great video but if I could recommend some things, use noise gate and play around with its settings to get rid of that background noise. And don't forget to learn your mics field of range so you can make sure it's picked up clearly. You could also increase the volume for parts where you may have moved away from the mic but then you'll have to play more with noise gate
Appreciate you! We're still learning and this is helpful in our journey!
The fans cant let go of metal gear we are kojima's cult
Not sure how much original input I have to offer, but you have my praise. Great video, boss.
play this at 1.25 speed if you want this guy to not put you to sleep
Nice video! You seriously have a lot of potential my friend! I wish you great amounts of happiness and success! 😃
Solid: NOOOOOooo PMCS AND METAL GEARS ARE BAD
Big Boss: Aight boys, You guys liked Diamond Dogs? You gonna Love Outter Heaven
Omg your laugh is so snuggly wuggly cute boy I'm literally shaking
Very good analysis and good voice.
'Sincerely, Vic Boss'
What a beautiful retrospective.
Amazing video, would love to see more about MGS, subbed 👍
This video proved my suspicions regarding Diamond Dogs as a cult, Venom’s and Ocelot’s role. Miller reallly got the worst out of all of this, which explains the ending of V.
Very well done, awesome !!!
Hey man great job on the vid always awsome to see new faces in the mgs community, even if this is the only vid you do on it great work you've 100% earned a new subscriber cant wait to see what you do next
it was very interesting, nonetheless I believe Ocelot knew all along too what was Big Boss plan, but followed it to achieve his agenda like we get to know later chronologically.
MAN IM SO GLAD that someone else doesnt idolize big boss, like when you grab this footage of mg2 ss like..........big boss tricked the world into this fantasy of living nuke free just to litterally steal the worlds nukes for himself. Hes a mad man.
I wish the series focused more on big boss’s journey to becoming who he is in mg2 the og big bad instead of it being sometimes in the background and other times completely missing the difference between him in mgs3 and mg2 is night and day but most of it happens of screen ffs
It's like they say about Stalin: there was a cult of personality, but there WAS a personality
In case of Venom there was no personality
I'll be honest. Normally I try to avoid videos like this because I like to experience games for myself etc. etc., and especially with the Metal Gear Series I personally am super intimidated by it! The story seems super complex and in depth, makes me feel like I won't understand it one bit. So I've been wanting to play this series for the longest time but something always tells me not to.
After watching your video, I almost want to call off work and just solely play this series! You make the story seem super fucking interesting and I am curious as to what else I am missing out on!
I hope to find you making more videos not just of this game but of all the games you are a fan of! I can feel the passion and love that you have in this one video alone. Can't wait to see what is to come in the future from both of you! Liked and subbed for fucking sure!
"And two, he sucks. He just sucks" is probably the number one thing I will take away from this video for sure.
(I typed this during work so if half of this doesn't make sense then sorry! TLDR: This video exceptionally captures my interest and y'all kick ASS!)
Random recommendations but fuck yeah I love Metal Gear
Good video my dude
Villain is a bad guy. Eye opening take.
anytime I hear the phrase “A weapon” my mind immediately goes to “a weapon to surpass metal gear?!!!?!!”
For example I was watching the boys when I heard about the weapon that can kill supes, and they said “ a weapon to defeat homelander” I immediately thought of “a weapon to surpass metal gear”
Boss was betrayed by Kaz, multiple times, puts his blame on Huey, IS THEN ANGRY WHEN HES CAUGHT AND OUSTED, continues to lie to Venom, might have sedated PAZ with SKULL FACE, even the parasites don’t trust him. He’s no whistle blower he’s an ex girlfriend that cheated and complains of a broken heart. He’s a caught traitor who eventually joins cypher before finally getting popped by Ocelot.
I dont care what anyone says, big boss is the one person in metal gear with noble intentions, even if he had unconventional or radical methods. LONG LIVE VIC BOSS, VENCEREMOSSSSS
LIQUI- i mean BIG BOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!
SNAAAA- ….
ZEROOOOO!!!
This is a solid (heh) video essay, I find most essays on Metal Gear are nothing but fluff, this however has a good thesis and drives it home.
what a thrill
great video 👍
You're pretty good...
Army without a nation.
Victim? If i found a purpose in life, i wouldnt call it falling victim.
You're pretty good
loved the vid and subbed! kaz is cute btw
Big boss is my uncle
I think it's also worth noting that the armies you recruit from are notoriously brutal and unforgiving such as the Soviet union and south African dictatorships/insurgent groups what soldier wouldn't want to join especially since the reward for joining is not having to worry about your CO accusing you of things that could get you sent to a labor camp/killed.
It's me I'm in it
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he cool doe
*You’re pretty good* ❗️
Holy fuck I need to play this game….. I didn’t know what the fuck was going on in this game and lost investment.
So...we've been exposed. Welcome.
Lalelilolu
Long live msf
I'm team kaz
But miller, dude chill 😂
The diamond dog symbol is really a penis head look closely................. 😅 Dimond.... dog.
Not a cult
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Did you really use the Atlantic as a reference? Do you have brainworms or something?
you forgot Zero...Zero adored him. It was Zero's idea to make Big Boss an idol.
Zero is the real evil. After a while, he and Big Boss parted ways. But you purposefully forgot this huh? cherry picking bias, tsc...
Skullface made zero braindead during snake' 9 year coma and so he couldn't control the Patriots AI and it got out of control. Zero even visited snake when he was on his coma and he missed him, had they talked, MG1 and so on wouldn't have happened/avoided.
Zero and Big Boss ultimately ended up being enemies. What’s your point? Big Boss killed parents to create orphans and feed them back onto the battlefield. It baffles me how people seem to gaslight the heck out of the Big Boss legend.
@@TacticsTechniquesandProcedures What's wrong with any of that. I'm not trolling. I'm not being edgy. For all of human history up until the last maybe 50 years, war and fighting have been the only constant reality. The period we live in now is the abnormality and it's a period that is very fragile. It takes a lot of work and hundreds of national and international institutions just to keep relative peace in the world and even still there are wars, there are invasions. What would you rather those orphans become? Prostitutes? Child sex workers? Far fetched? Look at what happened to the Germans after world war 1. It is something that has happened many times in history. Would you rather those children starve? Go to orphanages? And when another war or fight or conquest happens then what? Be conscripted into an army or conquered by one? And if they are conscripted to what army? A just army? A good one? Or will they be turned into barbarians or cannon fodder. This is the reality of the last 2000 years of human history sans the last 50 years, and you think THIS period of history with your peaceful morality will continue forever? You don't think the smallest road-bump won't send us off this path of peace?
We live in an abnormal time and your faux outrage over what you see depicted in a video game, a fiction, which is far more representative of real life than the aberration we currently live in... man get over yourself.
Ocelot and Kaz are definitely handlers. Making sure the operation is a success.
anytime I hear the phrase “A weapon” my mind immediately goes to “a weapon to surpass metal gear?!!!?!!”
For example I was watching the boys when I heard about the weapon that can kill supes, and they said “ a weapon to defeat homelander” I immediately thought of “a weapon to surpass metal gear”