Having trouble starting a flooded snowmobile. Try this.
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- Опубликовано: 27 июл 2024
- When you are new to starting a 2 stroke sled with a primer, it's very easy to flood your engine.
Some older sled, like mine, can be pretty hard to pull over with a recoil starter.
This video will help get you back on the trail and give you some pointers for starting your machine without flooding it.
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Thanks a lot for this. My sister in law and neice were at our cottage trying to get their sleds going and couldn't. I don't know a lot about sleds, I just never got in to them. But I have done a lot of small engine work and autmotive work to give her a hand. Knew we had gas and spark while they were in the garage, but after letting them sit for a good hour not even a sputtier when they were pull-started. Took plugs out on both and did this, worked on both instantly. I told them don't go far and lose my number if they won't start again (it's about 5 degreess here!). Thanks again.
Hey Kevin. Glad to help! Thanks for letting me know.
Thanks for letting me know about this. Glad I didn’t have to search around too much to find out why my sled won’t start. I did use way too much primer. Probably about 30 uses of the primer.
You’ll get the hang of it.
Holy shit dude
thank you I will have to try it the next time my snowmobile gets flooded
That is bud, you helped me a lot 👍🏼
Thanks for the info.
Hi Christian. Yes' the method should work with your indy as well.
Great alternative but a faster, time proven method is to pull plugs and use a lighter and hold it over the cylinder hole. There will be a small poof. Gas is burned off. Do the same to the spark plug. Takes 2 minutes and your back in action. Throw the lighter in the storage on your sled and keep on sledding. Braaaap Braaaap
Um, yeah…a lighter, under the hood of your old sled next to your flooded engine…what could possibly go wrong. Why go to all the 30 seconds of trouble of pulling your starter a couple of times…
Its more effective to use a Propane Torch and spin the engine over with the flame pointed into the spark plug hole, burns all the gas out and it warms the combustion chamber up significantly more making it easier to start, but personally at starting i don't use primers i add a drop of gas in each spark plug hole and my sleds fire on the fire pull.
Pull the plugs before you attempt to start hit it with some head from a lighter -torch reinstall and boom starts way easier
Hi Nathan, I never use heat on plugs and I never use an open flame under the hood of an old sled. If the plugs are out anyway, it takes all of 30 seconds to clear the fuel and wipe the plugs off. Thanks for watching.
This reminds me of when I was 14, driving an old Polaris Indy Trail 488 around my home town in the Canadian Arctic. I accidentally tipped the old 488 over and it shut down... My cousin was around and did the same thing taking the plugs out and we got the machine running 5 minutes later!
Hey sorry for the delay. Thanks for watching and commenting. Glad you got it going.
Nice sled. 670 was always a badass sled.
+MeltingRubberZ28 Thanks. I'm enjoying it...well I would if we had some snow. What do you ride?
+My Old Sled I ride a 600 TNT. It's pretty sweet. It's real snappy, handles great, etc. Haha yeah no snow here in Buffalo. Where are you located?
Thank you brother.
Thanks for watching
At times, you can get away by just holding the throttle wide open allowing more air to lean out the mixture and to aid in evaporating excessive fuel. However, once a spark plug(s) are soaked with fuel, they will have to be removed and dried thoroughly for them to ignite properly.
Thank you for the video..following your procedures will surely get that machine back on the trails.
Hi Daniel. You're not wrong, but if you've pulled a 670 over, especially cold, you'll understand that some riders just can't hold the throttle open and pull it over. I've found this a simple way to resolve the issue. Better yet was when I got the hang of starting it without flooding! Thanks so much for the comment, appreciate you sharing your experience.
@@MyOldSled l cannot disagree with you in saying that, it would be impossible to pullstart, especially larger machines and to keep the throttle wide open at the same time. It definitely requires two hands to pull a cold machine.
Given that my machine is equiped with an electric start, I have the option of first trying to unflood it by holding the throttle wide open.
If this fails " which it has", your procedures are definitely the ones that will successfully get it started.
My apologies, as I should have been more observant in regards to how to start a snowmobile, given the situation that you have clearly explained.
Again, great video for I am sure that many will greatly bennefit from it.
I've found also on my 670 if you pull off the base line to the fuel pump as well as the plugs you get alot of fuel out of the base of the motor faster
Works like a charm
Every time
nice sled my boss had a 96 ski-doo mxz 670 just like that he let me use it for a whole winter and I had a blast it brought back memories of when I had my sled I had a 81 Artic cat 4000 440 jag and I surprised a lot of people with it they always underestimate it because it was a older 440 but I showed them that it was still fast and I could keep up with all the 600' Thur the mid 90's and early 2000's my little only 440 would even walk off on some of the 600's I am about to be buying a 76 Artic cat panther 440 that is in mint condition just needs the carbs cleaned and a 81 Artic cat trail sled 340 mint condition just needs a primary clutch I am buying the pair of them together for 150$ and with all the parts sleds my uncle has I'll have a primary clutch on the 340 and have my 440 and my wife's 340 on the trails when it is time to ride snowmobiles
Thanks for dropping in. I hope you have your sleds up and running when the snow flies.
+S.I.NO oh I will so my wife and I can get out and ride with my dad and my brother my dad has a 94 Yamaha exciter 2 570 my uncle gave to him and a friend of the family gave us a 74 rupp 440 that we gave my 17 year old brother for his first sled and he loves it like a spoiled kid does a brand new one my dad lived in Tennessee for 23 years so it's the first time he has been able to ride a sled in years and it is my brothers first time to ever ride my wife was in Arizona for 11 years so it's going to be he first time to ride in years also I haven't rode in almost 2 years I went to Arizona last winter and the winter before I was in Tennessee but I have been riding for years I started riding at the age of 4 my dad bought my a Kawasaki drifter 440 and my big sister who was 6 a ski-doo 440 he made a trailer with skis and a windshield for my little sister so she could go with us my dad let me ride his 600 rupp and pull the neighborhood kids all over I rode it a 5 and the throttle got stuck open my dad ran jumped on the hood broke the windshield grabbed my hand and hit the break and the kill switch when we stopped his feet was touching the biggest tree in the field if it wasn't for my dad I would have hit the tree at 80 mph and I would be dead he fixed the throttle and then he had me ride again I was scared to open it up a little bit for a couple of years and then I seen my cousin and my half brother having fun so I started my snowmobile and was gone
+Gary Burbank Make sure you all subscribe ;)
Thanks for a trip through memory lane. I was once a proud owner of an arctic cat 440z which came with the z suspension..given the colder temperatures due to the cooling factors required, this machine would definitely perform against the 600 class. The cylinders were ported in such a way that would surely define the true terms of having a power band.
In its days, this machine would scare most riders who have had the opportunity to have tried it.
I can set this as a true example of comparison to today's more modern sleds as I have had the opportunities to give a fair comparison.
Thanks
Thanks for watching,
thanks man it help turning on my atv
and if your spark plug is wet or fouled put it stove to dry
Noggin Clontith no while it of on your shirt it’s fine
Nice fuckig sled bud! Love it
Good vids and good tips man. I just bought a 99 formula triple 700. Goes like stink. I find sleds are particularly easy to repair, but sometimes you get that odd problem that requires in depth effort lol. I subscribed by the way
Hi AWP. Thanks for dropping by and taking the time to comment. Glad you enjoy the channel.
when its flooded,hold it wide open give it 5 or 6 good pulls and it should fire up
Thanks for the comment T. I have tried that in the past. Not only is the 670 hard to pull over, but this just doesn't always work in 5 or 6 pulls if your plugs are fouled. It does work eventually but after a few guys told me about this I found its much easier.
Especially easier to Pull them over a few times when on the trail, i never carry my tools with me because i don't want to lose them on the trail.
Personally I'm not crazy about sticking the throttle open, and I've also found once its flooded, I can pull my arm off and it takes a long time to clear the cylinders. Doesn't happen much now I'm used to it. No, I find my machine starts in one pull once its warm.
My ext 580 is behind a shed under a tarp froze to the ground facing a fence with the rear end held up by a big brick. *sigggghhhhhh* It also needs an oil change, new plugs and carbs clean and also new gas... The sled is in nice condition though.
thank you sir
No problem. Flooding your sled?
@@MyOldSled getting pointiers before i buy one/ so i can help others in their time of need.
When the plugs were out and you were pulling the cord, was your fuel line on or off? Looks like it might have been off and then once you put the plugs back in you turned it back on right before shutting the hood.
Hi freshmaker. It's been a while since I shot this but I probably shut the fuel off and turned it on when I was ready to start it. Thanks for watching.
I had this happening to me today with my grandfather's old lynx 1998. Left it cold for about half an hour. I set the choke on half with no primer. That did not seem to be enough for startup so i pumped in two shots on the primer and this time the choke on full. And it just made things worse. Had to wait for an hour before the motor could finely start.
1997 ski doo mxz 440 fan is a bulletproof sled, the engine never quits
Engine never quits on any Ski-doo. Toughest sleds on the market
I definitely prefer a choke over a primer.
I got used to mine. Now it’s no problem but I flooded it a lot at first.
Awesome video ! My Skandic 500 (2000) was stuck after my first run with it. It stalled after a 15-20 minutes run when it came to IDLE and wasn't able to start it again. Was able to start it again with your trick =)
Any idea why it want to stall at idle ?
Hmmm. Clean the carbs maybe? Low speed jet may be dirty.
I’ve never had any problems with my primer until this year. It ran great then I’m sure I’ve flooded it, now I can’t start it at all.
Are you riding in warmer weather?
We just pull the plugs and use a long bbq lighter to burn the fuel out of each cylinder. Poof - flooded gas is gone. Just don’t be looking close to the hole.
Old sleds are aluminum, plastic, foam, gas, oil…and pretty much anything flammable. Gas vapours are 4 times heavier than air and accumulate in low spots like around your belly pan. I totally appreciate you sharing but I can’t stress enough how much this is not a good approach.
What would the problem be if it worked before I stopped and it doesn’t work when I’m off my phone what would it be? I’m confused.
Thanks. I have similar problems. My sled is ski doo 700 summit. It has trouble starting. It has no primer, just a choke. Any suggestions? Thank you
Hmm. Not many…I know some guys find they can be ornery as they get older. Can you pull it one handed with the throttle slightly depressed? Fresh plugs always help.
Funny thing is when I was on the trail. I took a break to look at my phone 15 minutes later when I was done I tried starting it up and it won’t start up. Still trying to start it up to this day. That was like three weeks ago.
Did you prime it? If so you probably flooded it
If u want an old sled..... 2002 or older Arctic cat with batteryless efi. Nuff said. They also ride and handle better than a sled with trailing arms. Better rear suspension. The only next gen sled I would buy would be the skidoo mxz rev. Don't waste your time with the beaver tail
hold throttle wide open with a glove, be ready to snatch the glove as soon as it fires.
Using anything to hold the throttle open on a snowmobile which is basically always in gear, is dangerous. I would never do it.
take spark plugs out put your plugs back in spark plug caps place them over the cylinder hole leave kill switch on and pull burns up all excess gas in cylinders then heat your spark plugs up with a lighter put back in good to go. Saves alot of time
Hi Elmenger. That would take the same length of time as doing it safely, with the added risk of placing an uncontained spark next to excess fuel. Since there's a reason the sled flooded, my preference is to not take the chance of igniting a fuel leak I didn't notice and starting a fire under my hood. Thanks for the post!
What about using starter fluid for a machine that has been sitting for a long time? I have seen people spray it in the exhaust.
I’m not a fan, but if you get a decent quality one with lubricant in it, and use it properly, a short spray near the intake. Generally if it starts with starting fluid and doesn’t stay running you have a fuel problem. A properly maintained sled with clean carbs shouldn’t need it.
I'm trying this method on my 95 Formula STX I will give update later on
+Joz Sig I have a 96 formula STX, they are a bear to start at the beginning of the season and very tough to pull over to, lot's of muscle needed. I find adding a good fuel stabilizer helps, usually i'm able to start it after just a few pulls. I just rebuilt my engine and she's bone dry and of course i'm pulling and pulling now flooded and can't start it. Exhausted.
Its been 8 years Joz…still waiting for the update…
@@MyOldSled I sold it and went back to polaris
You could always just hold the throttle wide open and pull it over. Usually only takes 5 or six pulls.
It is possible, and I've done it....(generally not in 5 or 6 pulls). This method is a bit more trouble, but the 670 is a pretty hard pull, especially one handed for smaller riders. Add to that you're pulling left handed or with your left arm crossed over. Some sleds are harder to pull over. Pulling plugs is a pretty simple process.
@@MyOldSled I get a buddy to hold my throttle while I pull it
Do not use a rag to dry your spark plugs. The gap on spark plugs is sensitive, and if you dry it wrong, you will mess it up (it can be regapped, but not without a cheap tool that you probably don't have in your snowmobile bag). Just take the plugs out, and either blow on them or just set them off to the side. The gas will quickly evaporate due to the now high exposure to air, and your gap doesn't get knackered.
Hi Justin, sorry for the delay in responding, I wanted to double check with NGK technical support before responding. The lateral (ground) electrode is made of steel which is welded to the side of the spark plug, and it normally takes a bit of force to narrow the gap, as you would when you tap it on a work bench to adjust the gap, or use a tool which is part of some gapping tools to bend it. Just wiping a standard spark plug with a rag/cloth should not change the gap, unless the plug is defective. If you were to go nuts and force part of the rag in between the central electrode and the ground hard, I suppose you could widen the gap, but just wiping it as shown shouldn’t change anything. The first year I had my sled, I flooded it a lot, and used this method quite a few times. The gas will evaporate, but the oil won’t. I prefer to wipe it, and start over with a clean dry plug. I appreciate the feedback though, spark plug gap does matter a lot more than most people realize.
I have an 06 Vector ER , does the choke stay off when I turn the engine over?
You put the choke on to start then off as it warms up.
how can i fix a polaris 1993 indy, if its flooded? the exact same way?
+Christian Scott Yeah the same way why not? It a 2 stroke same as the mxz.
I got an Indy flooded so bad one time this trick which I new prior to watching this don't work. I brought the sled into my shop opened the crankcase drain plug and Shute enough the gas pored out like never before.
That's a little more than flooded ;)
Im having issues with my 96 skidoo formula ss 670 the engine cranks been all done on the engine and it was running couple years ago had to replace pickup tube in tank and new lines I had to change the carbs I have a set of a 97 skidoo summit 670 I had my jets switched over sled almost started today just won't run driving me nuts I have spark gas and compression keeps flooding
I did another video on flooding. Mightbhelp
Where did you set your air screw and needle?
If a sled is flooded is that a huge problem or will it like you said be fine in like a couple days or something
Depends why its flooding. In my case, i was usually over using the primer. There are other reasons like dirty carbs etc that might need attention.
My Old Sled I mean if like I flood it by trying to start it to much bc it wouldn’t start in the cold and was just wondering if I did end up flooding it if that would be a big deal
Nope. This video will help u get it going, and it will be fine.
What kind of sled?
My Old Sled 2007 phazer only electric start what I’m thinking is it was -30 and it was just to cold to start what you think
Oooor u could just hold throttle down with the spark plugs in and u will get it to start...just a little harder to pull
Hi Keigen. If you have an old 670 or 583 etc, and that works for you, your sled is far easier to start than most. I am not too proud to admit I would kill my arm trying to pull it one handed either with my left, or with my right crossed over to the throttle. I might be able to if the sled was already warm when I flooded it but cold, this method is far easier on the arm, even more so with a younger or smaller rider. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Dude what I did is put a black plastic tie wrap around the gas throttle in WOT and I can use both of my hands to pull on the cord... Then i just slide it off... I leave it there if it ever happens again...
Does your machine when warm get finicky when it's time to start ? When I drive it for about half an hour and stop at the gas station time to put fuel till full, go in and pay and come out... I go to start it and it won't start with giving it abit of gas... Weird thing...
I have a 1997 formula 583 summit....wish you would show a video as to how to remove the seat...as I need to re-upholster mine
There are two bolts in the back to seat, you have to get to them from underneath in the tunnel. Hope that helps
It should. Let us know.
we just pull the plug and clear the gas out with a lighter.
Not the smartest thing in the world to do but it works
Just get an e-tec. They don't flood
Thanks GF. That was easy! Next time it happens, I'll just run out and grab and e-Tec.