Paul said what he said because it was given to him by inspiration of God, He was not sexist, and it was not his opinion he was only given what God gave him, God bless great video
Yes. I was exactly as catholics. Bought all the trinkets, graven imagery, prayer to Mary, and the holy spirit, fish on Friday, Christmas, Easter, Sunday. Then I made the mistake of reading the Bible. I have no sympathy for catholics, or Sunday Christianity, bless your mortal hearts.
I think what makes homosexuality worse in the minds of Christian’s is because it’s being forced upon us. No other class of sinners brag and boast about their sin. And try to force you to accept it and partake in the sin.
@@Rottidad Satan has painted sin so well that many Christians have bought one of his paintings on time or another and I’m guilty myself, by watching filth that comes out of Hollywood on tv or at the theaters to music, to gambling the list goes on . Until we throw away that painting and get Satan out of our lives he keeps our eyes closed but we keep trying and the Lord opens them then we realize what’s happening !
Unfortunately we are seeing the same things happen in the Church of England. The vicar in our village church is a woman. The vicar in the village my mother in law worships in is a man 'married' to another man. I don't think it's a coincidence that the C of E is dying. They are no different from the rest of the world and so there is little point to them. I have started attending an Orthodox Church. God bless from the UK.
Most pastors shouldn't be pastors probably and most elders don't meet biblical qualifications 😢 just a reality......truth hurts my mom used to say😊scripture convicts God's children then we strive to honor our Redeemer Jesus Christ ❤️ Amen
Episcopal Church USA, Anglican Church (England), Presbyterian Church, Lutheran Church and maybe others are becoming less and less relevant due to their issues on sexuality and women in ministry.
Good discussion. My wife and I are proud Christians and attend our local church regularly and are active in our church community. What concerns us and I believe all denominations of Christianity is the decline in church membership and the lack of people seeking God over the past several decades. Much of this I point to leftist ideology in society and a decay in morality. Back as far as Woodrow Wilson who was an elitist leftist up to LBJ and his "war on poverty" that incentivized woman having children out of wedlock and the feminist movement of the 1960's and 70's all contributed to the attack on the family and faith. We know that God created man and woman in his image and likeness as written in the book of Genesis. However, the trans ideology effectively kicks God to the curb and says that men can become woman and woman can be come men. This leftist ideology is based on Marxism and drives for the elites to control the masses. People who have faith in God, who revere God and rely on God's guidance cannot be controlled by government.. We don't care what government tells us is moral and right, we rely on God to tell us this through the books of the Bible. I think churches have relaxed their standards to be more inclusive, putting pride flags up to bring people in. New church leadership seem to be people who are more left leaning and buy into the leftist ideology. Our country was founded on the principles of Judeo-Christian values and these are under attack by the left. The left wants positive rights that are granted by government as opposed to negative rights granted by God. This I believe is the fundamental basis for the attack on our Christian and family values around the world.
SW, I have the same concerns and that is why I do this channel. As Christians we have to start affecting culture and putting out good things to show young people that there is a different path than what they normally see on most videos and from mainstream media. And Mrs. River and I are also watching our church decline and have the same concerns about church attendance. We're among the youngest members in our church and the future doesn't look very good. I think you're also spot on about the influence of Marxism, and Wilson too! And if you want to know what inspired Marx I suggest you watch this: ruclips.net/video/LOFIHp6aTuE/видео.html It explains so much.
From Scotland, we don't bother much about what you would call Left or Right. Our Liberal Party is left of our Conservative Party. Further left is the Labour Party, originally founded for people who worked 'by hand and eye' but now less representative of manual workers. Nevertheless the important thing is to read the Bible, understand it and follow the teaching Jesus gave us. Two things about his ascension into Heaven. He said he would leave us a helper or counsellor we call Holy Spirit. Also, Peter, a jew, had a vision of a blanket covered in food forbidden to him and the instruction to eat it. Personally I was in my 30s before I admitted to God that he existed. I felt ashamed that I had argued against him so long. But Jesus did the work so that I am forgiven. In our church a retired pastor sits in the congregation and if he heard nonsense being preached would very likely dicuss the matter or even arrange to be at the pulpit himself. Tom, it's not a hard struggle for us, we know. Thank you.
Jeremiah 2: 11~13 pretty much sums up the current spiritual health and status of the "intuitional ecclesiastical church system." The "spirit of the "Zeit-geist" has not only captured it, but those captivated by it love it so. I'm pretty sure the statement once made by "Jesus" concerning the "Church" is reality even today. He said; "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."
It's the same people who say HOMOSEXUALITY is okay..It is NOT. THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE BIBLE TO FIT THEM, INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE. JUST PRAY FOR ALL OF THEM ,THAT THEY WILL REPENT AND FOLLOW THE BIBLE. I AM A SINNER,. I KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH CHRIST. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES LORD HELP US ALL. (THESE ARE TROUBLING TIMES. )
I was raised Presbyterian USA. I practiced homosexuality from 14 years old until 33 years old. I became saved - born again at 33 years old. The fight was FIERCE but the LORD Jesus Christ grace is greater than all my sin. Jesus Christ delivered me from ALL my sin though I still fight sin as all people do. I am sealed by the Holy Spirit and will never deny my Lord Jesus.HE holds me, FOR ETERNITY and any one who fights lbtgq CAN be saved.amen I
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below? Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary? What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Brings to my mind Genesis 3 the reason Paul says that women are not to be over men. Who was deceived? It was Eve and Adam listen to her and ate of the fruit. God said because you have listen to the voice of your wife and eaten from the tree which I commanded you not to eat. Adam disobeyed. What will happen to the Christians who do not follow his laws? I never knew you. Jesus commanded us to keep his laws. Understand Matthew 7:21-23
well, i've been to a lot of different churches in my life, taken the different classes, interacted with their leadership and members, read their statements of beliefs, prayed with them (and yep, some of the churches i went to didn't consider themselves "Christian" (some were "cultish" and some referred to themselves as "christian-like) nor did other churches consider them "Christian" )). .. i figured that to understand them then you've got "get in with them".... now, here's the deal ... each church is kinda different and then each congregation is different and then each member is different and they all change with time... at some point, they're very strict and then at some other point, they're able to rationalize anything... now, that's something that's pretty much true in all religions and in all beliefs (even those that deny God ) and in all nations and peoples and persons (to include myself), time changes your understandings (although you may not sense that change)... now, i do have a strong belief of God and His teaching/lessons/ revelations/ miracles/ inspirations.. He created all this (ya know)...so, anyway, my point is that individual understanding is different for each individual, it is NOT universal and time and experience of the individual has a big part in that understanding..so as an individual, i try to live by some simple rules (cause i'm just a simple man)_ and here's a question that i ask myself everyday is this "am i a good person doing bad things or am i a bad person trying to do good things?", now, i never have been able to really answer that question fully nor can i truly apply that question on others... i have to live with it and know that God judges me and my efforts... maybe at some point, i'll have my answer but it'll be "time will tell"...so my advice to anyone is this... have faith, try to do the good deeds that God inspires you with and when you screw up then repent, say you're sorry and try to make it better and if you're forgiven then more the better... but just keep trying
You and I and others may change but “Christ is the same yesterday today and forever” Hebrews 13:8-and as far as your goodness goes Romans 3:12 “there is none righteousness no not one - - there is none good no not one.” Go by the scriptures not man or church.
Superman, if you believe scripter then you're a bad man trying to do good. Jesus said that not even he was good and that "there is none good but one, that is God", Mark 10:18. And I love your advice, and I think that is all God asks of any of us?
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 it is good to know that God inspires all of us with the same desire to at least try to make it better... thank you for all you do... and please continue, it's very motivational
Tom as it pertains to the UMC it is indeed a slippery slope. Former conservative leadership and now GMC folk claim we will be "woke and broke." We'll see. I'm happy the conservative membership was given a way forward and the door was left open to return shall they choose. -Rock on! RWS
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 couldn't agree more - The Nones are increasing in membership every year. Especially with younger folk who are vital to a church's survival.
I think the problem started when we stopped stoning for adultery. Mark 10:12: "And if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery" Right?!
Not quite. When the woman was caught committing adultery and Jesus was asked what should be done to her, he did say, " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
Churches ignoring the Bible, is the reaso for the multitude of denominations and doctrine, starting with the obsession in controlling God by it's own, non biblical Lord's day. The corrupted list, started there, now it's a false gospel, a trinity doctrine, the only difference in the so called, reformation, is less costumes and funny hats. According to Revelation, Christianity ends up a remnant that keeps the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus Christ. Rev. 12:17. Churches ignoring the Bible.
Well said, They have been committing abominations since Babylon, and even Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus said all these things would take place; and that all scripture must be fulfilled. But woe to the one through whom it comes. There are two churches in the book of revelations. One is a virgin and the other is a mother. One the mother of abominations and the other the bride of Christ. Our churches (Ecclesia), an assembly of people; have become corporations out to make money. Though we are told not to forsake fellowship. The incentive of making money (Mammon) is too enticing for the Church university's and their denominations. Our children enter college as believers, and come out as unbelievers.
Adam followed Eve eating the fruit seeing she didn't die right then; BUT look what happened next! Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. 7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
The “ Church “ are the followers of Jesus. The “ church “ is a building with four walls . Never in scriptures are people called to construct a church building.
Whether or not a person "would make a good parent" is perhaps one criteria for consideration by people looking for a marriage partner, but it is not the most important consideration. Nor are childless persons any less Christian because they are not parents. I don't know if that is what you are saying, but if so, I think you (and J.D. Vance) are wrong.
Not Chuck, the most important consideration is does the person they're interested in love the Lord with all of their heart, but I wasn't going to get into that right then. I just wanted to give a little tip, or a tip that could easily be passed on, that might help some young people out there get started on the right path rather than letting lust choose who they like. And as for parents, that's why I threw in "or potential parents" and that includes people of all ages. Mrs River and I don't have children and every time she's says we're never going to have children I remind her that Sarah said the same thing. And if it's God's will that we don't have any that will be just fine to. But we all always have the potential to be parents no matter what our age, Abraham proved that. And we should always be the type of people that would be good parents even if we never have any children. And I'll look into it what you said about Vance, but I doubt that's what he meant?
Life here is all about God’s son Jesus ! Colossians 1:15-19 Jesus himself said in Matthew 10:22 if you follow me you will be HATED by all for my sake, but the one who endures to the end will be saved . He made the rules He made the laws so we have to accept that and Satan’s job is to deceive and divide and he sure has ! This guy is right about what he is saying !
@@nautilus1872 plenty , even my own family for saying sorta what this guy is saying ! Speaking the truth got our Lord and savior killed and he’s the one that’s gonna judge me and you and in John7:24 it says Judge not according to the appearance , but judge righteous judgement ! So you’re saying it’s ok for homosexuals and lesbians to get up and preach and teach ? Is that what you’re saying or am I missing something ?
@@nautilus1872 you do realize that Matthew was used by God to write down the words Jesus spoke ! Jesus said “not Matthew “ if you follow me and walk my way and not the way of the world you WILL be hated for my sake !!!! No one wants to be corrected no one but we have to call out sin cause Jesus tells us to and when we do look out we get to see what people are made of and it’s not pretty trust me !
@@nautilus1872 I absolutely will agree to that, therefore if we try to walk in the footsteps of Jesus while we’re here on this earth and go around helping , loving , teaching , and warning others about the ways of Satan the same way Jesus did and when someone is in the wrong statistics show a very high percentage of those you confront about their wrongs (sin) will become defensive, angry , and some abusive just like they did Jesus ! The scriptures tell in John 7:24 to judge with righteous judgment ! If I caught you stealing something am I not to confront you in that situation ? Stealing in one of our commandments we have to obey correct ? I come to you like you’ve come to me out of respect and love ! My time here on this earth may be short and one can learn so much about God and his Son from dialogue such as this !
You, sir, are hardly "a neutral observer" as you describe yourself. A neutral observer would not use the polemical language in your description of those with whom you disagree and label "unbiblical." 😅
They are objectively unbiblical. How is naming that bad? They are unashamed of that themselves. They openly state portions of the Bible need to be ignored.
Tom, that same book of Timothy you quoted also has language that, taken literally, can be--and has been--used to justify slavery. This is the problem with literal applications of scripture.
@@mercinc2926 If one opts for a version of Christianity that condones slavery based on a literal reading of scripture, I don't guess there is much any of us can do about that. But my version does not condone slavery.
@HWHolmgren the purpose of interpreting scripture is to find out what God is saying to us. If I'm going to change how I interpret because I don't like the literal interpretation, then I would rather just ignore scripture. I already know what I want it to mean. Why waste effort trying to make it mean what I want it to mean. I guess when it comes to convincing others of my beliefs that's a different story But I'm sure you take "Do not murder" very literally.
HW, people can use the Bible to justify absolutely anything they want to. But that doesn't make it ok for us to do that or to take things out of context so that we can. And the only way out of that is the literal application of scripter. Those same people would have a really hard time justifying slavery if they also had to literally "do unto others as they would have others do unto them." And without the literal application of all parts of scripter then the Bible is nothing more than a good read from the past. The whole point of the Bible is to show us how to literally live as God wants us to live, as difficult as they can be at times.
@@nautilus1872 Nautilus, it's not dangerous at all to take the Bible literally. There is nothing dangerous about keeping the Commandments, including the 11th Commandment given to us by Jesus and doing unto others as we would have them do unto us. The danger is when "we" don't take the Commandments literally. Everything else in the Bible comes from there,
My family has left the Methodist denomination cause of the change in beliefs with homosexuality. I'll continue being friends with my homosexual friends. That doesn't mean I think it should be socially accepted or is not a sin. Same goes for my atheist friends.
Couple of things; 1) a homosexual (but you don't know he's a homosexual) believes on the Messiah Yashua at a sunday morning service. Is he saved? According to scripture, he is. Does he automatically stop homosexual tendecies? I doubt it. Doesn't that come in the sanctification process? Where does the church draw the line? Well that answer can be found in 1Cor5:1-13. Same for a drunkard, a covetous person, etc etc. 2) that homosexual is just as much saved as you and I are. By believing in Yashua a new creature is created, the old creature has pased away, behold all things are new. Are we perfect? In God's eyes yes. We have become the righteousness of God in Christ ( Rom_3:22). I didn't use to feel this way and I suppose I would have a hard time with it were it to happen at my local assembly. And I would have to deal that person as a brother or sister that has fallen back. But God has made a way through church discipline to deal with sin in the church and if the one in sin does not repent after being discharged from the assembly, bad thins will happen to that individual to bring about their repentence.
The root of the problem is that when people talk about "the Bible" they mean several bibles that they can pick and choose from. Then those "the Bible" are self contradictory and contradict each other, people conclude that it's not a reliable revelation of God's will. There is a "the Bible" in which only eight verses have been changed, compared to the King James Version (KJV) to expunge the sin of homosexuality called the Queen James Version. Guess what, the New King James Version has changed just as many verses related to that doctrine though it doesn't do quite as good at expunging it. Then there is the issue of women as ordained ministers. "Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was." Romans 16:7 from the New International Version (NIV). It's claimed by some that Junia was a female and that since she was "outstanding among the apostles" she must have been an apostle. If that were true, it would pretty condone female ordained ministers. "Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me." Roman 16:7 (KJV). The KJV just says Junia was well known to the apostles. And here is something the vast majority of Christians ignore that's in every bible I've looked at. "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV).
Martin, it's so ironic that you mentioned the 4th commandment because I plan on discussing that very soon. And yes there are many different versions of the Bible and sadly I worry that some will try really hard to make it say what they want it to rather than giving an honest interpretation. And for myself I go by the King James but I do understand that it has been changed as well over the years.
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 The first KJV was printed in the Germanic typeface. It wasn't long before the Roman typeface that we have now was used. There were MANY changes in spelling and quite a few in punctuation but very few in words or word order. You will get the very same doctrine from the first edition of the KJV as the one you'll get now. Over the years there were a few misprints. In one, the commandment "Thou shalt not commit adultery." was changed to "Thou shalt commit adultery." The owner of the printing establishment that printed it lost his printing license and spent some time in prison. That Bible was called "the wicked Bible." I have one called "the child killer Bible" in which instead of saying, "let the children first be filled" it says, "let the children first be killed." The first KJV Bibles had the Apocrypha and some make a big deal out of that. The Apocryphal books in those Bibles are by themselves between the Old and New Testaments and at the top of each page it says "Apocrypha." If you look up the meaning of "Apocrypha" in a dictionary you'll find it means something not entirely reliable.
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 We are no longer under the old testament. Jesus gave us two commandments that fulfill all the law and the prophets. Love the Lord God with all your heart and mind and soul and with all your strength. The second is to love your neighbor as yourself. If you obey these two laws of God, you obey all the laws of God. Some men see one day as being a Holy day. I myself see every day as being the Lords day.
I understand where you are coming from but I believe it is based upon ignorance and the traditions of man that have been handed down. The issue is that the Bible is not black and white and has to be negotiated through the lens of Jesus Christ who is the true revelation of who God is and his character. There are many voices in the Bible. It is not one consistent voice. This is the error of conservatives and evangelicalism. Conservatives believe they don't negotiate scripture which could not be further from the truth. Paul said, slaves obey your masters. The Bible does not outright condemn slavery. This is why ministers in the Southern United States used the Bible to uphold slavery.
Trying to use the Bible to justify what "we" want is neither liberal nor conservative. That's just human nature and none of us are immune from that. And that's the problem with not taking what it says literally. If we are just going to use a feel good interpretation then who's interpretation do we use? You think it means this and I think it means that so what we end up arguing about is which one of us is right when it's neither if the Bible clearly says something else that we are both ignoring. And the example you gave of people trying to use the Bible to justify slavery in the past is a good example. The Bible never says slavery should be practiced or is a good thing but what it does clearly say is to treat others as we would treat ourselves. So anyone trying to use the Bible to justify slavery are jumping through the same theological hopes as the people that are trying to justify a multitude of clearly defined sins as suddenly ok because we can't take the Bible literally.
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 The age old excuse is people just want to justify sin. Let's take polygamy as an example. Every Christian I know is against polygamy and believes the Bible is crystal clear, but it is still practiced by Christians in Africa in a different culture. All the patriarchs of the Bible were polygamist. You could say they were sinning, but God blessed them somehow, but the problem is in the Bible you have God telling David if he didn't have enough wives he would have given him more. So no the Bible is not clear about certain "so called" sins. 2 Samuel 12:8. Many evangelicals and go through theological hoops around this, but the text doesn't say otherwise.
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Episcopal Church USA, Anglican Church (England), Presbyterian Church, Lutheran Church and maybe others are becoming less and less relevant due to their issues on sexuality and women in ministry.
Summary---The 'churches' now preach "Hallmark card" sermons and NOT the word of GOD!
Paul said what he said because it was given to him by inspiration of God, He was not sexist, and it was not his opinion he was only given what God gave him, God bless great video
This is exactly why I left Protestant church decades ago and became an Orthodox Christian. Well said sir!
I'm a Catholic convert. Good to have you on the side with the roots back to 33 AD.
Speak on it! I'm an Ordinariate Catholic convert myself.
Same here, in the process. Protestantism has become personality cults.
Yes. I was exactly as catholics. Bought all the trinkets, graven imagery, prayer to Mary, and the holy spirit, fish on Friday, Christmas, Easter, Sunday.
Then I made the mistake of reading the Bible. I have no sympathy for catholics, or Sunday Christianity, bless your mortal hearts.
@@eltonron1558 Unleash the Adventist nut jobs and their exemplary track record on prophesy.
I think what makes homosexuality worse in the minds of Christian’s is because it’s being forced upon us. No other class of sinners brag and boast about their sin. And try to force you to accept it and partake in the sin.
I don't know about that? They seem to be trying to force an awful lot of sins on us right now and in so many different ways?
@@Rottidad Satan has painted sin so well that many Christians have bought one of his paintings on time or another and I’m guilty myself, by watching filth that comes out of Hollywood on tv or at the theaters to music, to gambling the list goes on . Until we throw away that painting and get Satan out of our lives he keeps our eyes closed but we keep trying and the Lord opens them then we realize what’s happening !
What about what has been forced upon homosexuals for centuries????
@@livingsimplewithtom9539Sure seems like it. Lots of sins. But the homosexuals have been at it a long time.
@@donswearingen9805They have multiple months throughout the year where the celebration of their existence is everywhere
You’re speaking the truth. God bless you brother!
Unfortunately we are seeing the same things happen in the Church of England. The vicar in our village church is a woman. The vicar in the village my mother in law worships in is a man 'married' to another man. I don't think it's a coincidence that the C of E is dying. They are no different from the rest of the world and so there is little point to them. I have started attending an Orthodox Church. God bless from the UK.
You’re wrong you’ve not read God’s word !
But if you still didn't learn the lesson then the teaching was without purpose.
@@nautilus1872men and women are not equal in every way.
@@nautilus1872 indeed. Equal (Galatians 3) but different (Ephesians 5, 1 Timothy 2)
Prince William plans on abandoning it, will not take up being the Defender of the Faith. I attend Orthodox Christian services.
Most pastors shouldn't be pastors probably and most elders don't meet biblical qualifications 😢 just a reality......truth hurts my mom used to say😊scripture convicts God's children then we strive to honor our Redeemer Jesus Christ ❤️ Amen
Episcopal Church USA, Anglican Church (England), Presbyterian Church, Lutheran Church and maybe others are becoming less and less relevant due to their issues on sexuality and women in ministry.
Good discussion. My wife and I are proud Christians and attend our local church regularly and are active in our church community. What concerns us and I believe all denominations of Christianity is the decline in church membership and the lack of people seeking God over the past several decades. Much of this I point to leftist ideology in society and a decay in morality. Back as far as Woodrow Wilson who was an elitist leftist up to LBJ and his "war on poverty" that incentivized woman having children out of wedlock and the feminist movement of the 1960's and 70's all contributed to the attack on the family and faith. We know that God created man and woman in his image and likeness as written in the book of Genesis. However, the trans ideology effectively kicks God to the curb and says that men can become woman and woman can be come men. This leftist ideology is based on Marxism and drives for the elites to control the masses. People who have faith in God, who revere God and rely on God's guidance cannot be controlled by government.. We don't care what government tells us is moral and right, we rely on God to tell us this through the books of the Bible. I think churches have relaxed their standards to be more inclusive, putting pride flags up to bring people in. New church leadership seem to be people who are more left leaning and buy into the leftist ideology. Our country was founded on the principles of Judeo-Christian values and these are under attack by the left. The left wants positive rights that are granted by government as opposed to negative rights granted by God. This I believe is the fundamental basis for the attack on our Christian and family values around the world.
SW, I have the same concerns and that is why I do this channel. As Christians we have to start affecting culture and putting out good things to show young people that there is a different path than what they normally see on most videos and from mainstream media. And Mrs. River and I are also watching our church decline and have the same concerns about church attendance. We're among the youngest members in our church and the future doesn't look very good. I think you're also spot on about the influence of Marxism, and Wilson too! And if you want to know what inspired Marx I suggest you watch this:
ruclips.net/video/LOFIHp6aTuE/видео.html
It explains so much.
From Scotland, we don't bother much about what you would call Left or Right. Our Liberal Party is left of our Conservative Party. Further left is the Labour Party, originally founded for people who worked 'by hand and eye' but now less representative of manual workers.
Nevertheless the important thing is to read the Bible, understand it and follow the teaching Jesus gave us.
Two things about his ascension into Heaven. He said he would leave us a helper or counsellor we call Holy Spirit. Also, Peter, a jew, had a vision of a blanket covered in food forbidden to him and the instruction to eat it.
Personally I was in my 30s before I admitted to God that he existed. I felt ashamed that I had argued against him so long. But Jesus did the work so that I am forgiven.
In our church a retired pastor sits in the congregation and if he heard nonsense being preached would very likely dicuss the matter or even arrange to be at the pulpit himself.
Tom, it's not a hard struggle for us, we know. Thank you.
Jeremiah 2: 11~13 pretty much sums up the current spiritual health and status of the "intuitional ecclesiastical church system." The "spirit of the "Zeit-geist" has not only captured it, but those captivated by it love it so. I'm pretty sure the statement once made by "Jesus" concerning the "Church" is reality even today. He said; "Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom."
It's the same people who say HOMOSEXUALITY is okay..It is NOT.
THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE BIBLE TO FIT THEM, INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE.
JUST PRAY FOR ALL OF THEM ,THAT THEY WILL REPENT AND FOLLOW THE BIBLE.
I AM A SINNER,.
I KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO THE FATHER IS THROUGH CHRIST.
GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR LOVED ONES
LORD HELP US ALL.
(THESE ARE TROUBLING TIMES. )
You obviously don’t realize your RUclips watch history is public. Uncle Buzz is a hypocrite.
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?
God Bless you Brother
I was raised Presbyterian USA. I practiced homosexuality from 14 years old until 33 years old. I became saved - born again at 33 years old. The fight was FIERCE but the LORD Jesus Christ grace is greater than all my sin. Jesus Christ delivered me from ALL my sin though I still fight sin as all people do. I am sealed by the Holy Spirit and will never deny my Lord Jesus.HE holds me,
FOR ETERNITY and any one who fights lbtgq CAN be saved.amen
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Amen!
100% agree brother
New Covenant Whole Gospel: How many modern Christians cannot honestly answer the questions below?
Who is the King of Israel in John 1:49? Is the King of Israel now the Head of the Church, and are we His Body? Who is the “son” that is the “heir” to the land in Matthew 21:37-43? Why did God allow the Romans to destroy the Old Covenant temple and the Old Covenant city, about 40 years after His Son fulfilled the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34 in blood at Calvary?
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8, 3:16? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
God is not now a “racist”. He has extended His love to all races of people through the New Covenant fulfilled by His Son’s blood at Calvary. The Apostle Paul warned against using “genealogies” in our faith in 1 Tim. 1:4, and Titus 3:9.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the RUclips videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
God bless you
Brings to my mind Genesis 3 the reason Paul says that women are not to be over men. Who was deceived? It was Eve and Adam listen to her and ate of the fruit. God said because you have listen to the voice of your wife and eaten from the tree which I commanded you not to eat. Adam disobeyed. What will happen to the Christians who do not follow his laws? I never knew you. Jesus commanded us to keep his laws. Understand Matthew 7:21-23
Well said brother.
Thanks for speaking the truth! 🙏🏻💕
YES
well, i've been to a lot of different churches in my life, taken the different classes, interacted with their leadership and members, read their statements of beliefs, prayed with them (and yep, some of the churches i went to didn't consider themselves "Christian" (some were "cultish" and some referred to themselves as "christian-like) nor did other churches consider them "Christian" )). .. i figured that to understand them then you've got "get in with them".... now, here's the deal ... each church is kinda different and then each congregation is different and then each member is different and they all change with time... at some point, they're very strict and then at some other point, they're able to rationalize anything... now, that's something that's pretty much true in all religions and in all beliefs (even those that deny God ) and in all nations and peoples and persons (to include myself), time changes your understandings (although you may not sense that change)...
now, i do have a strong belief of God and His teaching/lessons/ revelations/ miracles/ inspirations.. He created all this (ya know)...so, anyway, my point is that individual understanding is different for each individual, it is NOT universal and time and experience of the individual has a big part in that understanding..so as an individual, i try to live by some simple rules (cause i'm just a simple man)_ and here's a question that i ask myself everyday is this "am i a good person doing bad things or am i a bad person trying to do good things?", now, i never have been able to really answer that question fully nor can i truly apply that question on others... i have to live with it and know that God judges me and my efforts... maybe at some point, i'll have my answer but it'll be "time will tell"...so my advice to anyone is this... have faith, try to do the good deeds that God inspires you with and when you screw up then repent, say you're sorry and try to make it better and if you're forgiven then more the better... but just keep trying
You and I and others may change but “Christ is the same yesterday today and forever” Hebrews 13:8-and as far as your goodness goes Romans 3:12 “there is none righteousness no not one - - there is none good no not one.” Go by the scriptures not man or church.
Superman, if you believe scripter then you're a bad man trying to do good. Jesus said that not even he was good and that "there is none good but one, that is God", Mark 10:18. And I love your advice, and I think that is all God asks of any of us?
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 it is good to know that God inspires all of us with the same desire to at least try to make it better... thank you for all you do... and please continue, it's very motivational
Tom as it pertains to the UMC it is indeed a slippery slope. Former conservative leadership and now GMC folk claim we will be "woke and broke." We'll see. I'm happy the conservative membership was given a way forward and the door was left open to return shall they choose.
-Rock on!
RWS
RWS, I really do wish the UMC church all the best and that they work things out. We need more churches not less.
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 More Churches Standing On Sound Scripture n Preaching n Teaching It.
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 couldn't agree more - The Nones are increasing in membership every year. Especially with younger folk who are vital to a church's survival.
Social clubs 😂
I think the problem started when we stopped stoning for adultery. Mark 10:12: "And if she herself divorces her husband and marries another man, she is committing adultery"
Right?!
Not quite. When the woman was caught committing adultery and Jesus was asked what should be done to her, he did say, " Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 I think you’re correct. That was the point. Thanks.
Would love to know your issues with Calvinism
I have no issues at all with Calvanism. I just think Calvanism is something that we could debate at length with no one really being right or wrong?
Sin is a choice.
Churches ignoring the Bible, is the reaso for the multitude of denominations and doctrine, starting with the obsession in controlling God by it's own, non biblical Lord's day.
The corrupted list, started there, now it's a false gospel, a trinity doctrine, the only difference in the so called, reformation, is less costumes and funny hats.
According to Revelation, Christianity ends up a remnant that keeps the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus Christ. Rev. 12:17.
Churches ignoring the Bible.
I touched on that in today's video.
Protestants
Sola Mea Sententia
Only My Opinion
It's an abomination because it is a sin against our own body and our body is supposed to be the temple of God...
Well said, They have been committing abominations since Babylon, and even Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus said all these things would take place; and that all scripture must be fulfilled. But woe to the one through whom it comes. There are two churches in the book of revelations. One is a virgin and the other is a mother. One the mother of abominations and the other the bride of Christ. Our churches (Ecclesia), an assembly of people; have become corporations out to make money. Though we are told not to forsake fellowship. The incentive of making money (Mammon) is too enticing for the Church university's and their denominations. Our children enter college as believers, and come out as unbelievers.
Adam followed Eve eating the fruit seeing she didn't die right then; BUT look what happened next!
Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Do you love Jesus??...........Do love HIS church??
The “ Church “ are the followers of Jesus. The “ church “ is a building with four walls . Never in scriptures are people called to construct a church building.
@@jonyoung6405 the point is if you say you love Jesus are you His church?? There are lots of preacher who claim to love Jesus, but curse Jesus church.
Whether or not a person "would make a good parent" is perhaps one criteria for consideration by people looking for a marriage partner, but it is not the most important consideration. Nor are childless persons any less Christian because they are not parents. I don't know if that is what you are saying, but if so, I think you (and J.D. Vance) are wrong.
Not Chuck, the most important consideration is does the person they're interested in love the Lord with all of their heart, but I wasn't going to get into that right then. I just wanted to give a little tip, or a tip that could easily be passed on, that might help some young people out there get started on the right path rather than letting lust choose who they like. And as for parents, that's why I threw in "or potential parents" and that includes people of all ages. Mrs River and I don't have children and every time she's says we're never going to have children I remind her that Sarah said the same thing. And if it's God's will that we don't have any that will be just fine to. But we all always have the potential to be parents no matter what our age, Abraham proved that. And we should always be the type of people that would be good parents even if we never have any children. And I'll look into it what you said about Vance, but I doubt that's what he meant?
I saw this developmental possibly when I was young and this furthered my search, I became Catholic.
If they teach Christmas Easter and Sunday run all man-made pagan tradition
And April Fool's day too
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Life here is all about God’s son Jesus ! Colossians 1:15-19 Jesus himself said in Matthew 10:22 if you follow me you will be HATED by all for my sake, but the one who endures to the end will be saved . He made the rules He made the laws so we have to accept that and Satan’s job is to deceive and divide and he sure has ! This guy is right about what he is saying !
@@nautilus1872 plenty , even my own family for saying sorta what this guy is saying ! Speaking the truth got our Lord and savior killed and he’s the one that’s gonna judge me and you and in John7:24 it says Judge not according to the appearance , but judge righteous judgement ! So you’re saying it’s ok for homosexuals and lesbians to get up and preach and teach ? Is that what you’re saying or am I missing something ?
@@nautilus1872 you do realize that Matthew was used by God to write down the words Jesus spoke ! Jesus said “not Matthew “ if you follow me and walk my way and not the way of the world you WILL be hated for my sake !!!! No one wants to be corrected no one but we have to call out sin cause Jesus tells us to and when we do look out we get to see what people are made of and it’s not pretty trust me !
@@nautilus1872 I absolutely will agree to that, therefore if we try to walk in the footsteps of Jesus while we’re here on this earth and go around helping , loving , teaching , and warning others about the ways of Satan the same way Jesus did and when someone is in the wrong statistics show a very high percentage of those you confront about their wrongs (sin) will become defensive, angry , and some abusive just like they did Jesus ! The scriptures tell in John 7:24 to judge with righteous judgment ! If I caught you stealing something am I not to confront you in that situation ? Stealing in one of our commandments we have to obey correct ? I come to you like you’ve come to me out of respect and love ! My time here on this earth may be short and one can learn so much about God and his Son from dialogue such as this !
You, sir, are hardly "a neutral observer" as you describe yourself. A neutral observer would not use the polemical language in your description of those with whom you disagree and label "unbiblical." 😅
They are objectively unbiblical. How is naming that bad? They are unashamed of that themselves. They openly state portions of the Bible need to be ignored.
Tom, that same book of Timothy you quoted also has language that, taken literally, can be--and has been--used to justify slavery. This is the problem with literal applications of scripture.
Well since Paul is writing to instruct Timothy it should probably be taken literally.
@@mercinc2926 If one opts for a version of Christianity that condones slavery based on a literal reading of scripture, I don't guess there is much any of us can do about that. But my version does not condone slavery.
@HWHolmgren the purpose of interpreting scripture is to find out what God is saying to us. If I'm going to change how I interpret because I don't like the literal interpretation, then I would rather just ignore scripture. I already know what I want it to mean. Why waste effort trying to make it mean what I want it to mean.
I guess when it comes to convincing others of my beliefs that's a different story
But I'm sure you take "Do not murder" very literally.
HW, people can use the Bible to justify absolutely anything they want to. But that doesn't make it ok for us to do that or to take things out of context so that we can. And the only way out of that is the literal application of scripter. Those same people would have a really hard time justifying slavery if they also had to literally "do unto others as they would have others do unto them." And without the literal application of all parts of scripter then the Bible is nothing more than a good read from the past. The whole point of the Bible is to show us how to literally live as God wants us to live, as difficult as they can be at times.
@@nautilus1872 Nautilus, it's not dangerous at all to take the Bible literally. There is nothing dangerous about keeping the Commandments, including the 11th Commandment given to us by Jesus and doing unto others as we would have them do unto us. The danger is when "we" don't take the Commandments literally. Everything else in the Bible comes from there,
My family has left the Methodist denomination cause of the change in beliefs with homosexuality. I'll continue being friends with my homosexual friends. That doesn't mean I think it should be socially accepted or is not a sin. Same goes for my atheist friends.
Couple of things; 1) a homosexual (but you don't know he's a homosexual) believes on the Messiah Yashua at a sunday morning service. Is he saved? According to scripture, he is. Does he automatically stop homosexual tendecies? I doubt it. Doesn't that come in the sanctification process? Where does the church draw the line? Well that answer can be found in 1Cor5:1-13. Same for a drunkard, a covetous person, etc etc. 2) that homosexual is just as much saved as you and I are. By believing in Yashua a new creature is created, the old creature has pased away, behold all things are new. Are we perfect? In God's eyes yes. We have become the righteousness of God in Christ ( Rom_3:22). I didn't use to feel this way and I suppose I would have a hard time with it were it to happen at my local assembly. And I would have to deal that person as a brother or sister that has fallen back. But God has made a way through church discipline to deal with sin in the church and if the one in sin does not repent after being discharged from the assembly, bad thins will happen to that individual to bring about their repentence.
The root of the problem is that when people talk about "the Bible" they mean several bibles that they can pick and choose from. Then those "the Bible" are self contradictory and contradict each other, people conclude that it's not a reliable revelation of God's will.
There is a "the Bible" in which only eight verses have been changed, compared to the King James Version (KJV) to expunge the sin of homosexuality called the Queen James Version. Guess what, the New King James Version has changed just as many verses related to that doctrine though it doesn't do quite as good at expunging it.
Then there is the issue of women as ordained ministers.
"Greet Andronicus and Junia, my fellow Jews who have been in prison with me. They are outstanding among the apostles, and they were in Christ before I was." Romans 16:7 from the New International Version (NIV).
It's claimed by some that Junia was a female and that since she was "outstanding among the apostles" she must have been an apostle. If that were true, it would pretty condone female ordained ministers.
"Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me." Roman 16:7 (KJV).
The KJV just says Junia was well known to the apostles.
And here is something the vast majority of Christians ignore that's in every bible I've looked at.
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it." Exodus 20:8-11 (KJV).
Martin, it's so ironic that you mentioned the 4th commandment because I plan on discussing that very soon. And yes there are many different versions of the Bible and sadly I worry that some will try really hard to make it say what they want it to rather than giving an honest interpretation. And for myself I go by the King James but I do understand that it has been changed as well over the years.
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 The first KJV was printed in the Germanic typeface. It wasn't long before the Roman typeface that we have now was used. There were MANY changes in spelling and quite a few in punctuation but very few in words or word order. You will get the very same doctrine from the first edition of the KJV as the one you'll get now.
Over the years there were a few misprints. In one, the commandment "Thou shalt not commit adultery." was changed to "Thou shalt commit adultery." The owner of the printing establishment that printed it lost his printing license and spent some time in prison. That Bible was called "the wicked Bible." I have one called "the child killer Bible" in which instead of saying, "let the children first be filled" it says, "let the children first be killed."
The first KJV Bibles had the Apocrypha and some make a big deal out of that. The Apocryphal books in those Bibles are by themselves between the Old and New Testaments and at the top of each page it says "Apocrypha." If you look up the meaning of "Apocrypha" in a dictionary you'll find it means something not entirely reliable.
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 We are no longer under the old testament. Jesus gave us two commandments that fulfill all the law and the prophets. Love the Lord God with all your heart and mind and soul and with all your strength. The second is to love your neighbor as yourself. If you obey these two laws of God, you obey all the laws of God. Some men see one day as being a Holy day. I myself see every day as being the Lords day.
I understand where you are coming from but I believe it is based upon ignorance and the traditions of man that have been handed down. The issue is that the Bible is not black and white and has to be negotiated through the lens of Jesus Christ who is the true revelation of who God is and his character. There are many voices in the Bible. It is not one consistent voice. This is the error of conservatives and evangelicalism. Conservatives believe they don't negotiate scripture which could not be further from the truth. Paul said, slaves obey your masters. The Bible does not outright condemn slavery. This is why ministers in the Southern United States used the Bible to uphold slavery.
Trying to use the Bible to justify what "we" want is neither liberal nor conservative. That's just human nature and none of us are immune from that. And that's the problem with not taking what it says literally. If we are just going to use a feel good interpretation then who's interpretation do we use? You think it means this and I think it means that so what we end up arguing about is which one of us is right when it's neither if the Bible clearly says something else that we are both ignoring. And the example you gave of people trying to use the Bible to justify slavery in the past is a good example. The Bible never says slavery should be practiced or is a good thing but what it does clearly say is to treat others as we would treat ourselves. So anyone trying to use the Bible to justify slavery are jumping through the same theological hopes as the people that are trying to justify a multitude of clearly defined sins as suddenly ok because we can't take the Bible literally.
@@livingsimplewithtom9539 The age old excuse is people just want to justify sin. Let's take polygamy as an example. Every Christian I know is against polygamy and believes the Bible is crystal clear, but it is still practiced by Christians in Africa in a different culture. All the patriarchs of the Bible were polygamist. You could say they were sinning, but God blessed them somehow, but the problem is in the Bible you have God telling David if he didn't have enough wives he would have given him more. So no the Bible is not clear about certain "so called" sins. 2 Samuel 12:8. Many evangelicals and go through theological hoops around this, but the text doesn't say otherwise.
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Episcopal Church USA, Anglican Church (England), Presbyterian Church, Lutheran Church and maybe others are becoming less and less relevant due to their issues on sexuality and women in ministry.